Heli Keinonen sings in Karelian language a song about a girl and a boy meeting at well. This language is spoken by only 118,000 persons in the world. There is an ongoing effort to preserve the language alive.
Heli Keinonen was a child of a different age. She got interested in the language and culture of the livvi (East Karelian) speaking refugees, who were looked down at in Finland. Later she got interested in Arabic, has lived in Sudan, and became teacher of Arabic at Helsinki Univeristy. Quite a girl!
@@0mgskillz96 interesting... and sad. i have swedish-finnish relatives, and now i feel a little bit ashamed of them (i also have karelian relatives btw)
Kasvoin evakkojen parissa; tämä karjalan muoto kuului joka puolella. Sitä puhuttiin ent. Suomessa Suojärvellä, Salmissa ja Suistamossa. Evakkojen lapset oppivat sen vanhemmiltaan. Maalta Helsinkiin muuttaneena luulin tätä siksi merkilliseksi "stadin kieleksi", ja opettelin kieltä innokkaasti; pakkokin oli kun se oli lähipihojen leikkikieli. Kun folk-muoti tuli trendikkääksi 60-luvun lopulla alkoivat muutamat tytöt laulaa karjalaksi; lapsena opittu kieli oli helppo palauttaa mieleen.
couple years ago Finland recognised Karelia as a minority language and started a pre-school for Karelians and Joensuu University started to teach Karelian... All that to save this relative language of Finland which has only 100.000 speakers...
Karelian language (one of them, livvi, which is spoken in SE). This was spoken also in the eastern part of the former Finnish Karelia (captured by USSR in 1939); in areas with Greek Orthodox majority. It is hard to say that one Karelian diallect would be a language more than others. The SE dialects were infleunced by Russian, the western diallects by standard Finnish, the northern "Kalevala diallects" were (are) more archaic. But they all have the same root.
The major problem with Karelian language is that it is very hard to classify what exactly it is. If we are talking about Karelian dialects of the modern Finnish language and Karelian dialects that are spoken by the Russian Karelians then Karelian language would consist of Kalevala dialects, Livvian dialects, Lyydikkian dialects, Savo dialects, dialects which are spoken in the provinces of Southern and Northern Karelia in Finland. Most of the modern Finnish linguists do not agree with that as that means the only "western Finnish dialects" actually belong to the modern Finnish language, which was created by Lönrott. So the method used instead is to classify "Eastern Finnish dialects" as part of Finnish language and to classify the dialects spoken in Russian Karelia as a separate Karelian language, which does not make much sense linguistically but makes perfect sense politically.
Just to correct some wrong information on earlier comments. There are two kinds of karelians the ones that speak a karelian dialect of finnish language and ethnic karelians who speak karelian language. So finns and karelians (speakers of karelian language) are closely related, but still both of them are separate nations/languages. Sauna is actually 'kyly' in karelian... Karelian language has it's own dialects. The dialect used is this song is called livvikarelian (livvic, olonets karelian). Language and it's dialects are spoken mainly in Russia and Finland also speakers in Sweden and Estonia.
+ArskaB73 A bath is "kylpy" in Finnish. Karelian indeed has many different dialects and some of them are closer to Finnish than others. Vienankarjala and Finnish are fully mutually intteligible, since it's very close to eastern dialects of Finland.
+asdkdodj dshje Yes it is and Finns also "bathe" in sauna as do Karelians. 'Kyly' has two meanings in Karelian 'sauna' and 'bath'. The reason why eastern dialects are close to Karelian is because in a way those dialects are actually Karelian... ;) Eastern Finnish dialects could as well be called western Karelian dialects... Still I have to say that Vienakarelian is closer to other Karelian dialects than Finnish dialects.
its stupid to divide finnland and not finnland, our finnish borders are only 100 yrs old... before that this division did not exist, we are the same fucking tribe with difference in dialect as in any other nation too
No... forming a country and a nation out of multiple nations made Finland / Finns, but not all of us was merged into Finns like Sami and some of Karelians. So Finland has been and will be a country of multiple nations that all have more or less their origins in the area.
ArskaB73 thats one way to see it. to me kajala and karelian are brothers and i consider them part of finnland, despite the russians putting a border in the middle of it like it or not.
I LOVE THIS!!! THANK YOU!! I had no idea that Burlakat renewed these songs of Heli. I thaught it were their own.. Oops! Well done both Heli & Burlakat.
Oh, yes... Burlakat is a folkband from Finland and they adapted Heli's songs into stunning, very high level and amazing quality music. They are from Rääkkylä. Their 2 cd's are both my lifetime favourites (and I have a LOT of cd's...) Superb arrangements and sound!!
This Ukrainian song has two melodic alternations. It's quite possible, that You've heard only one of them, the more popular. Please see for example video with ID tIUcAWp7MYk and compare ;)
With the beginning of the WW1, V. O. Gilyarovsky wrote the lyrics for “Марш Сибирского полка” (“The March of the Siberian Regiment”) (1915), based on the motive of Ukrainian folk song “Розпрягайте, хлопці, коні”, known from the beginning of the 19th century. Later, the same melody was used in the Red Army song from Russian Civil War and World War I called “По долинам и по взгорьям”. “По долинам и по взгорьям” has many variations in other languages, including Serbian, Greek, German, French, Hungarian, Hebrew, Kurdish and others. The song was adapted by the Yugoslav Partisans and used in World War II.
to Feskochsnus. This language ( livvi language or Aunus/Olonets variant of the Karelian language)WAS spoken in Finland, in Salmi ( whole of Salmi) and parts of Suojärvi....
@TheAnitamus Olen varmasti kanssasi monesta asiasta yhtä mieltä - mutta RU-vid kommentit eivät oikein sovellu asian käsittelyyn koska tämä on monimutkainen ja herkkä aihe jossa väärinymmärrys syntyy helposti. Esimerkiksi rajan takaiset eivät mielestäni ole olleet suomalaisia vaan (suomensukuisia) karjalaisia. Enkä ymmärrä miksi vaadit Karjalaa takaisin kommentoidessasi laulua joka minun ymmärtääkseni lauletaan sellaisen alueen kielellä/murteella joka ei ole koskaan Suomeen edes kuulunut.
@TheAnitamus En missään tapauksessa halua rajoittaa keskustelua sinänsä. Tarkoitan että tämä kommenttiformaatti rajoittaa mielekästä ajatustenvaihtoa vähänkin monimutkaisemmasta asiasta. Kun ei ole tilaa taustoittaa, niin homma tuppaa menemään lyhyiden väitteiden laukomiseksi, jotka "vastapuoli" helposti ymmärtää väärin joutuessaan tulkitsemaan asiaa omassa mielessään olevien stereotyyppien kautta. Ja tämä asia on aivan selvästi ja ymmärrettävästi herkkä myös ja nimenomaan meille suomalaisille.
Which karelian is meant? The karelian dialect in sotheast Finland or the karelian language in the russian karelian republic? Does she know the karelian language?
@Vojak3 this is Karelian language, not the dialect. And she knows the language, and as far as I know she's originally from Karelia. I might be wrong though.
A "Hassan Heinonen" is most likely not finnish, but a finno-muslim mixed person. Not every person with finnish citizenship is finnish. Do you know ETHNIC GROUPS?
I'm not sure there is such a thing as a Russian any more than there's such a thing as a Celt. Russia is a nation patched together from several ethnicities, rather like precolonial America. When folks say "Russia," they drag along with that very diverse ethnicities, some of which ARE Finno-Ugric. Many of these folks are getting back to their roots, just as Estonia and Karelia are getting back to theirs. The same confusion happens a lot when people speak of Britain as a unit when in fact they mean just England. Any time you have some imperialistic nation beside others that have felt the brunt of that imperialism, for example, England dominating Scotland and Wales, bad history textbooks tend to lump them into one unit when in fact they are quite, quite different. There is a lot that England has done and been that Scotland has wanted no part of. Then if you look deeper, you see that northern England can often have more in common with Scotland than it ever had with London. Many people outside of Scandinavia lump Finland in there, too, when really they mean the nordics. Then if you go back historically, in some ways northwestern Norway may have been far more Finnish than Scandinavian because Finnic peoples populated that area way back when, and yet skeletons dug from that area will by default be called Scandinavian or worse, Viking simply because Vikings are Travis-Fimmel sexy and will sell. Viking is a term that's wholly abused by the media, etc. That's supposed to be your tall blonde Swedish warrior, when in fact the Baltic sea had several warrior/trader types, and the term completely overshadows all the trading, fishing, and trapping that had been around in the Baltic for thousands of years. It's almost as if the historians are saying, "Finally, something interesting is happening in this area," when in fact all sorts of culture and commerce was going on before and after the Viking age. I think this is largely left over from the Victorian era's need to reinforce nationalism, and they'd invent a mythology that fit their agenda, nearly entirely obscuring the extant mythologies.
haha, if u only knew how many finnish ppl that also speak arabic u would be very supriced. come to ruotsinsuomalainen koulu in stockholm, all of the kids are named Hassan Heinonen and so on :P And after finnish the most common language at home in ruotsinsuomalainen families, guess what, its farsi, arabic and spanish. :P
Here she seems like someone who loves her people, her language, her culture, her nation, and the history of her people. And today she converted to islam. :/
Vojak3 Salty much? ;) Religion and culture are nonexclusive... You can live the most European lifestyle ever and be a Muslim at the same time no problem. (unless people around you are absolute arses, which case it might be difficult).
@TheAnitamus Eiköhän tämä laulu ole alueelta joka ei koskaan ole Suomeen kuulunutkaan - paitsi korkeintaan jonkin aikaa sodan kuluessa. Mutta tosi on, että venäläisten suhtautuminen omien vähemmistöjensä kulttuureihin ja niiden säilyttämiseen on aika horjuvaa.
It is sad to read all the shit here ... Carelians are very strong part of finns. It is one of main part of our genes . We finns and carelians , are not slavic , but in east-carelian language , there is more russian words . In finnish we have them also , a few . But hey , everyone is using our word: "SAUNA" . In swedish sauna is "bastu" ... in russian "banja". Also it is said that finnish word : "rapakivi" is common in other countries . ----------------- We can not help the situation that finns were living all over the coasts of Bay of Finland . As in the area of St Petersburg , as in Finland . We just were too democratic to have a king , and stayed without borders. Under swedes or under russians . But we always had the control.-------------- But please , enjoy our music , and just leave it like it is , with no hate or crap throwing.
+Justin Perttu Why dont you include some documents here ? It would be easier to continue . I know the conversation that northern russians are actually ethnic finns . In Russia it was not so popular, even the idea came from there . My genes come strongly from Northern Karelia , but if you feel your duty to tell about my capability speaking english ... you are welcome to proceed with finnish. With russian I prefer only to speak as my language comes fro the streets of St.P .
+kekelatomski Ja tekopyhyydestä voimme keskustella vaikka laajemmin esim. facebookissa . Asiasta keskustelin viimeksi kuukausi sitten Moskovan Cityssä batjushkan kanssa . Jos koet olevasi kykenevä rakentavaan keskusteluun ja avaat persoonasi .
+kekelatomski Se että pohjois-Venäjällä asuu suomensukuisia sankoin joukoin ei tee karjalaisista slaaveja . Tässä nyt pintaraapaisu aiheesta kansan kielellä . yle.fi/uutiset/suomalaiset_outo_kansa_eurooppalaisten_joukossa/6151349
+kekelatomski Uskallan väittää että jos otetaan otanta henkilöistä joilla on tunnettu vahva slaavilainen perimä ja verrokkina mahdollisimman puhtaita karjalaisia , niin itäsuomalaiset ovat kovin lähellä karjalaisia . Esim. vaikkapa juuri Tverin karjalaiset ovat kyllä levittäneet perimäänsä paljonkin Pietarin ja Moskovan välillä. Moskovasta sitten löytyykin helposti oikeita slaavi-venäläisiä . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tver_Karelians
+Justin Perttu If you are Karelian , please use your own language then . And do not worry . I will understand . As I will understand if you speak russian or some other languages. But please , be so kind and translate your words : "Karelians are a small ethnic group but the Fennoscandia Biographic Project, dna tests on myself, and more. " What you really want to say with it ??? I asked you to show test results that Karelians are related to Slavs. You also seem to love the sentence : "Spread the hate" . On what purpose ?
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