Helldivers 2 - CEO Apologizes After Sony Makes A Massive Change!

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0:00 Intro
0:20 Major Order Update
0:56 New Personal Order
2:28 Sony Controversy
3:34 Community Backlash
4:30 Arrowhead CM Responses
7:05 Some Regions Don't Have PSN
11:07 Arrowhead CEO Responses
14:41 Community Poll Results
15:44 Outro
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Helldivers 2 is a third-person shooter developed by Arrowhead Game Studios and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment. The game is the sequel to 2015's Helldivers, which was a top-down shooter. It released for PlayStation 5 and Windows on 8 February 2024.
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@SwanyPlaysGames Месяц назад

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@dartsy341 Месяц назад

Dawg, I dont think u understand, its the free account not the subscription one, microsoft has had this for years and nobodys had an issue, its the same thing. I think theyre doing the account linking so they can bring cross progression and maybe an xbox port

@user-zu8ky1sf8v Месяц назад

They do lie. The 3rd party thingy was on steam page on the release day yes, but not when the game bacame available to wishlist

@rolanalcantara5430 Месяц назад

I'm in one of those countries that cannot legally obtain a PSN account and I'm not very happy about this requirement to link a PSN account. Yes, I could lie about my country of origin but that's a violation of Sony's ToS and run the risk being banned and losing access to game anyways. So I'm not sure what my options are since it's been weeks since I bought the game and I've sank dozens of hours into it already so I doubt a refund is in the cards unless Sony offers them as a result of the backlash.

@user-zu8ky1sf8v Месяц назад

Also Arrowhead CEO was bragging and lying about how they are independent in their decisions despite the fact that they have a publisher

@Aryan-nv9kd Месяц назад

Sounds like a CIA/Five Eyes op. They wanna gain a backdoor access to the most amount of players, since this game is probably the most popular right now.

@unnero1 Месяц назад

Update: People tried registering using a VPN from a country that doesn't have PSN Service. Instantly banned from the game. So yeah, don't try that.

@kirillhaetsky3049 Месяц назад

Well, considering you have to set a country on your steam account - it was kinda an obvious thing. But yes, still demanding registering in something that doesn't work for half of the world and calling it "not a big deal" is not tone deaf, it is just insulting at this point.

@zeldacrafter4578 Месяц назад

it's sad that people even had to consider this

@cardigansrule Месяц назад

and you have a video or other proof of this?

@fdnfdnasd7714 Месяц назад

Maybe i'm wrong, but i can't remember that other games with crossplay ask you to have xbox and psn account. You say some bullsh_t.

@andrewzotsenko Месяц назад

What is a source? You can buy games in Russia with VPN or other services with no problems

@lordscreamer2823 Месяц назад

Sony, try not to make a dumbass decision challenge. Difficulty: Impossible

@michaelmurley487 Месяц назад

Difficulty: Helldive

@c1borgen Месяц назад

Difficulty: Helldive solo after patch

@boltzmail8805 Месяц назад

Difficulty: helldive, solo, VS automatons Conditions: two stratagems, delayed stratagem deployment, delayed extract, extreme heat, tremors, meteorite showers, fire tornados

@FreezeMaster5 Месяц назад

@@boltzmail8805and randomized stratagems

@PerfectionHunter Месяц назад

Players: Going back to DarkTide 40K 😁

@TravisStockton Месяц назад

600 hours logged and I will have a refund accepted by steam via email. The EULA is the only legally binding contract beween SONY and the customer and it contains nothing regarding 3rd party account requirements, the only reference to a playstation network login is followed by the words "If you have one" and does not state any requirement or mandatory circumstances. SONY is going to actually lose a lawsuit or two for the first time in living memory if they enforce this.

@ACrazyGuy-pf5eq Месяц назад

I'm excited for that. I like it when greedy companies are put to shame by their stupidity.

@Imikmidget Месяц назад

So essentially, you got your money's worth about 600 times over playing HELLDIVERS 2. And then, you get a refund. Can you RE-BUY HELLDIVERS 2 again after getting a refund? Genuine question.

@babuebaguette7982 Месяц назад

@@Imikmidget they can reject your refund offer after you did something like that many times. First time is already hard because you already went over the 2 hours period and they need to have some reconsiderations over whether or not should they refund you the game but if you do that the second time then they won't tolerate it and maybe even lock you out from using the refund services.

@SirBlaze75 Месяц назад

2. UPDATES, ONLINE SERVER SUPPORT, AND SOFTWARE AVAILABILITY This Agreement will apply to all Software updates, including all downloadable content for the Software. SIE may, by automatic update or otherwise, modify the Software at any time for any reason. If the Software uses online servers, SIE makes no commitment to continue to make those servers available and may terminate online features at any time. except that stats it is covered by using all updates :| also the fact they announced PSN is required 1 month before release as soon as they announced crossplay and it was on the store page so the lable means that they have every reason to deny your request for refund

@Doughja710 Месяц назад

Still Cant refund that time spent or money spent on warbonds 😂🤡boohoo what will they ever do without your 40$ refund.

@GamingWithGeo Месяц назад

It should also be noted that Sony changed the wording on the Playstation PC Games website FAQ, the same time this announcement was made. Early this morning, and throughout the entire time the game has been available, it stated that a PSN account was optional to play all Playstation PC games. As soon as the announcement was made today, they changed their statement to say that some games would require a PSN account.

@forbiddenruin Месяц назад

By the end of the day Soyny changed the wording again to "you MUST link accounts".

@ChampionofHumankind Месяц назад

I feel sorry for the Arrowhead team. If this gets implemented, I'll lose over 230 hours of gameplay invested in this game. It's disheartening to imagine having a great game and enjoying it with friends, only to suddenly lose access due to region restrictions. It really sucks. - Helldiver from Philippines.

@chezsoko Месяц назад

Aw. We love you.

@randomyoutubecommentersecu7639 Месяц назад

Issue a refund on steam because they are actively restricting the access of a product you bought from them for months already. It isn't in the EULA terms either. You may have a chance to get it. Steam has issued refunds for cyberpunk for weeks on end when it turned a broken unplayable mess so it is indeed possible.

@Mathodical. Месяц назад

Afaik this is not the case as you can just setup a UK psn account from whatever country and then problem solved

@Vonkington Месяц назад

Rip, as someone that has psn I feel so sorry for you brother, also please don’t listen to the comments, if you try to use a vpn you will be caught and banned easily

@richardjohnson8991 Месяц назад

Dont feel bad for Arrowhead, they took this deal from Sony and signed the contract. They didn't have to. Just like they don't have to enforce this now, months later, out of nowhere

@Mugman896 Месяц назад

They want us to link steam accounts with Sony for SECURITY reasons? With how often Sony gets hacked, I find this funny

@robadams12 Месяц назад

Spot on

@Zibi21 Месяц назад

No no the shareholders dont feel secure reason why they need data mining to sell to other companies to make profit.

@Orieni Месяц назад

They mean it, they just don’t have user security in mind.

@marcusaxmann294 Месяц назад

All Steam User who linked their Accounts should sue them, if they get hacked again and personal informations were leaked.

@WillParker322 Месяц назад

Dont give them your cc and have a different password and you'll be fine

@serolfization Месяц назад

It is a big deal. Linking to an psn account should totally be optional. Being forced into linking after owning the game way past the refund window is shitty.

@practicallyprinz Месяц назад

I'd like to say Illegal.

@forbiddenruin Месяц назад

Until Wednesday it WAS "Optional", now its mandatory.

@Crazmuss Месяц назад

"Thats not a big deal, thats why we absolutely force you to do it."

@dradedeadeye2310 Месяц назад

13:12 "never heard of a game being taken a way for no other reason" Ubisoft: Allow me to introduce myself *takes away your crew*

@agitatorjr Месяц назад

Minecraft too. One of the biggest games of all time required everyone to make a Microsoft account a few years ago or they wouldn't be able to play any more.

@quinnhasse9170 Месяц назад

@@agitatorjrnot sure if it's still true

@zinoneus3733 Месяц назад

@@quinnhasse9170it is, me and my friends just had to deal with it like 3 days ago on ps and pc

@hylianro Месяц назад

It's true because it happened already lol @@quinnhasse9170

@mitchellshuster8563 Месяц назад

@@agitatorjrthat’s not true

@zillastudios8430 Месяц назад

Spitz really needs to get someone else in the role Dude can not handle anything with blowing a fuse or just giving false info

@Kazrel Месяц назад

They hired a guy who's only previous qualification was being a Discord mod, what'd expect?

@itsGreyHat Месяц назад

What’s the false info?

@Kazrel Месяц назад

@@itsGreyHat Spitz has been caught multiple times just handing out wrong info on weapon patches multiple times now.

@itsGreyHat Месяц назад

@@Kazrel ty for letting me know

@ottovonbismarck7094 Месяц назад

Spitz also caused a huge issue with the HD1 discord and the first week of launch, hes a genuinely shit manager and its an act of god hes still employed

@The-Blue-Knight Месяц назад

This is like the "don't like it don't buy it" post "If you don't like it leave a negative review " and the fans did lmao

@weissmanhyperion9650 Месяц назад

Arrowhead made it this way as a bargaining chip with Sony because they don't have a say in this at all.

@chriskropotkin9643 Месяц назад

He literally says to review it so that Sony, the ones in charge of this will see it. They arent bothering looking at the discord/reddit kiddie shit. He was trying to help you, not hurt you.

@phoenix211245 Месяц назад

@@chriskropotkin9643getting your ahole ready for a massive dildo is something you have to think about BEFORE you sign up to a company like Sony. 100% on the developers here.

@alphastronghold715 Месяц назад

@@chriskropotkin9643He basically told us to review hellbomb the thing so that Sony feels the pressure rather than just Arrowhead. And to think of all the AAA companies, I actually somewhat respected Sony…so disappointing.

@genultz4866 Месяц назад

Was good serving while it lasted brothers, but alas my grave awaits. I was one of the people who lost almost $1,000 on one of the data breaches of Sony only to be offered a $20 game in compensation, so I will NEVER link anything of mine to Sony ever again.

@SPACE_BOOOOOST Месяц назад

The weirdest part is that a PSN account was not made a requirement for Destiny 2 despite Sony literally owning Bungie for over a year now. They're betting on HD2's garnered goodwill to hold until this blows over.

@solidsnake5644 Месяц назад

I'm thinking that Sony is going to hold to their decision and force Arrowhead to force PC players to set up PSN accounts. I don't think it's until there's a massive drop in people playing and buying the games' war bonds that Sony backpedals and makes it optional for PC players. By then, the damage will have been done.

@frostery1483 Месяц назад

They don't want players to enjoy, I mean look at Bloodborne players, still suffering to "no pc port"

@FluffyIronGolems Месяц назад

their stupid asses cut the fighting force by SO MUCH cutting out other countries ability to play. They are litteraly killing the game doing this.

@yulfine1688 Месяц назад

It may turn that way, sony has mostly given bungie free reign and retain their individuality, arrowhead probably didn't have the option, however with all the screw ups and rumors of Sony possibly taking greater control it's possible this could happen but no other Sony game requires it either. People diss on Microsoft all the time for requiring or don't bother with the games most of the time myself included.

@nicholascazmay2126 Месяц назад

I mean Destiny is also already on Xbox so I don’t even know how you’d make that work. I doubt Microsoft would allow it.

@kirksneckchop7873 Месяц назад

A problem is that it's not simply "making a PSN account," but you have to also LINK IT to your Steam account. It gives Sony access to all your Steam data. They should be paying ME for that, not the other way around.

@Faceball12 Месяц назад

That’s all it is, they just want ur data to sell to the highest bidder

@propeldragon Месяц назад

But everyone else you're OK with?

@Faceball12 Месяц назад

I could of sworn I replied to this comment but it got deleted

@Faceball12 Месяц назад

It may very well be that because I said something against Sony my comment gets deleted

@Faceball12 Месяц назад

I can’t talk shit about Sony

@Defixio. Месяц назад

nobody on steam wants to touch PSN with a 10 foot pole.

@pineappleoverlord9k462 Месяц назад

its not a review bomb, its a change on view that is being shown. review bombs are when people target a game just to lower its score on purpose. these change in reviews is to share a new opinion on a terrible change

@roseforyoubabe Месяц назад

that exactly what steam players were doing

@FocksVR Месяц назад

trying to get a password recovery email from sony is like trying to squeeze water from charcoal

@silverdude3864 Месяц назад

Yes, it's the stupidest zhit every.

@tonydalimata Месяц назад

Borrowing this

@Blank55600 Месяц назад

Is it actually that bad?

@Reallymoistsap Месяц назад

@@Blank55600 No

@christopherb3894 Месяц назад

@@Blank55600 idk i just did it with np

@DarthHadeous Месяц назад

So what happens to Steam players when Sony inevitably suffers a DDOS attack or data breach?

@WalkerSunriseChannel Месяц назад

This. With Sony's multiple data breaches in the past, I'm out if they persist.

@bradblackmore2627 Месяц назад

why are you all butthurt over this when Xbox does the same thing?

@Danthepanman1 Месяц назад

Nothing because 2fa exists *noones gonna be targeting the avg person in data breaches ya dummies “oh no someone stole my 2.61$ worth of steam credit”*

@DeadlyTinyOrc Месяц назад

@@WalkerSunriseChannelgood, bye bye, good riddance

@DarthHadeous Месяц назад

@@Danthepanman1 2fa?

@KipcreateGaming Месяц назад

The things that gets me is Arrowhead just going "sorry man, it's just Sony, can't do anything about it". I don't want to see AH roll over and tell us it's our turn to ride the shafting. I want to see them push back for the players too, in some way, any way. I have to see AH do something to take the players' side, or I can only assume they never were.

@SerunaXI Месяц назад

There's probably some funding or contract nonsense that keeps them locked to the situation. AH had a magnificent launch but now it seems that Sony was waiting to put the poison apple in the hand that feeds.

@DARKSHOT1 Месяц назад

I get that 100% at the end of the day it's all fun and games until you can't feed your family because a company like Sony can bury you

@rererererr5464 Месяц назад

you don't bite the hand that feeds you

@forbiddenruin Месяц назад

AH did technically roll over and take it, they were the ones that signed away their rights to make or not make this decision, they signed the contract that allowed Soyny to screw players.

@KipcreateGaming Месяц назад

@@DARKSHOT1 Oh, I get that completely. But, at the same time, Arrowhead made the deal with the devil and signed the terms, and it is absolutely their responsibility, and thusly, their fault, when the devils pulls those terms to screw us.

@quakjib9371 Месяц назад

The problem I think most people have with this is the "grace period" was not explained. Most people, myself included, probably thought "it says this is required but then lets you skip it. How nice." There was nothing saying this was only temporary

@forbiddenruin Месяц назад

That was the "Optional" part of the FAQa at launch, Soyny changed the wording Thursday (May need to) and again Thursday/Friday (mandatory).

@quakjib9371 Месяц назад

My point remains. That optional was only temporary was explained poorly if it was explained at all

@eloinpuga Месяц назад

This game was succesful because it represented everything that was wrong with big companies. We CANNOT let this slide.

@GouShin1 Месяц назад

This is sadly on the publisher side not arrowhead, they honestly were forced into this as much as us.

@thefirstloser Месяц назад

@@GouShin1 I feel bad for Arrowhead. They have/had an awesome community, now the loud mass insults Arrowhead. Sony is the culprit :(

@Suplee2 Месяц назад

@@thefirstloser Sad part is alot of players just bitching (or attacking) AT Arrohead, not even at Sony.

@stephanmilius3598 Месяц назад

But unfortunately still a big company is involved, hence the trouble found its way back in.

@Damaged7 Месяц назад

Um sir this is a video game, its a toy. If you don't like this toy anymore then stop letting it into your life and go play with a different one. If you don't know how to do this, go consult a 5 year old, they do it everyday.

@zetronman Месяц назад

A lot of people are completely missing the point. It DOES NOT matter that it says "3rd Party Account Required" on the Steam page. Many games have this but do not actually require a 3rd party account (for example, Rocksmith 2014 off the top of my head). The only way to actually know how intrusive 3rd party integration is is to actually try playing the game and then request a refund if the integration is too burdensome (e.g. can't play the game without creating an account). When players bought the game, looked around, didn't see the PSN requirement and figured that it was for some enhanced cross play friend list stuff that wouldn't impact a PC player without console friends. Why would anyone dig further to see if there were plans to change this? That is an entirely unreasonable burden to place on the consumer when they have a 2-hour window to refund specifically to discover issues like this.

@lachskartoffel Месяц назад

especially when the first two hours of most players were to wait in line to get on the servers

@XxTavoRxX Месяц назад

Actually, the original steam faq said you would NOT require a PSN account, they altered the faq to say you would need it

@ASNS117Zero Месяц назад

@@XxTavoRxX Got proof of that? If that's the case, I imagine that's ground for a lawsuit in like... most of Europe?

@XxTavoRxX Месяц назад

@@ASNS117Zero it's been posted on a lot of sites with both and the dates, it's on the official discord as well

@zetronman Месяц назад

@@XxTavoRxX I'm not sure this is true and I think the situation is questionable enough without introducing conspiracy things like this into the mix.

@sralje404 Месяц назад

I'm personally not affected by the region problem but I don't have a PSN account and probably won't make one just to be able to continue playing Helldivers because I think this decision to be forced to link the accounts is a very good example for the many things that are going into the wrong direction with corporate gaming companies and I DO NOT support that, so I will probably play the crap out of the game while I still can and will never touch it again after the account linking is mandatory ...

@unclebob201 Месяц назад

From a business standpoint Sony was really stupid here and showed their hubris. In this situation they are a publisher. A publisher is pretty much a promoter and distributor rolled into one. They are supposed to entice other businesses to sell their products through them and their value is based on their ability to do so. Imagine a publisher that not only tanks you product by placing a heavy restriction on the accessibility of the it to the consumer demographic you are targeting but also did it by applying the restriction AFTER they had already been putting out the product for months. It’s not a good look for them. Because other game developers will see them as unreliable and dangerous to use to publish their game on fear of destroying any success their product might have. Game developers want their products to be successful not unsuccessful so a publisher being tonedeath and not respecting their products by pushing away and destroying their customer base after the fact is untrustworthy and unreliable even if that publisher thinks that they are either to big to fail or the only option available.

@dravengayheart1611 Месяц назад

I remember when video game didn't come with user agreements ❤ You bought it, you owned it. Simple.

@Damaged7 Месяц назад

You never owned your video games, seriously, google it.

@flare2043 Месяц назад

Amen brother, the good old days

@devintaylor7049 Месяц назад

You'll own nothing and be happy

@practicallyprinz Месяц назад

@@devintaylor7049oh shut up with that fucking stupid, overused saying, no one is fking happy about it. We aren't happy we can't own anything anymore!

@mattgrover3096 Месяц назад

I remember this as well. Also remember when you bought a game, it worked right out the box. Incredible idea i know.

@Foxman7364 Месяц назад

Never have I ever been banned from a discord for calling out a Community Manager (Spitz) for insulting a customer and Spitz telling them to stop crying and refund the game since they lived in a different country. Told all the other CM's that that's not a behavior someone who is supposed to be regularly conversing with their community should have and I was banned for it. This just keeps getting worse and worse lol

@osric729 Месяц назад

Spitz has always been a bit of a c u next Tuesday, so that doesn't surprise me.

@heartboyxo2496 Месяц назад

I loved this game.. Now it's just becoming an Ubisoft title.. 😑 I need to breathe, I ain't high enough for this shit.

@brendanredd814 Месяц назад

@@heartboyxo2496honestly same

@callumdrew5459 Месяц назад

He always annoying he hope he gets fired honestly

@RoseSapphic Месяц назад

The RU-vidr should pin this comment

@Mikalent Месяц назад

To be honest, I think the decision to force people to link their PSN accounts to play Helldivers was a decision Sony made out of desperation. Why? Because Sony just lost hundreds of thousands of PSN accounts (at least according to Kotaku and Gamer articles, for what little credability they have left) due to the Stellar Blade controversy. So how does Sony patch the hole? Force another popular game to require a PSN account, the issue is they now risk killing the game, as a not insignificant number of players (87,000 per the negative reviews, and remember, this game averages 300kish players on the weekend) have found it ouragous enough to write a negative review, not counting the people who remain silent. Losing almost a third of their playerbase would not look good, not to mention the potential LEGAL consequences of offering a product, letting people play until it is no longer refundable, then requiring a service that is banned in your country to continue using said product, well, I know in most EU and Australian courts, that would force you to issue refunds, and a good number of said inaccessible countries have similar laws, meaning Sony would potentially have to fight a myriad of legal battles (and having the PSN "requirements" on a Steam store page is not legally binding, especially when the official Playstation website states that you do not need a PSN account to play Sony games on non-sony platforms, per the wayback machine). So Sony, listen to the fan base, and as Yong Yea put it, like the guy or not, "Put it down, and walk away"

@Angelo_Nicolson Месяц назад

I sit in the category of, I do not have or want a PSN account. And i do not want my data harvested by an incompetent Sony who loses user data every two years.

@forbiddenruin Месяц назад

Soyny deleted two of my PSNs, no username or email linked to any PSN account, I guess giving them $0 since 2005 is warrant account deletion.

@SpareSomeChange8080 Месяц назад

@@forbiddenruin Damn, did you have any games taken away from you because of that?

@forbiddenruin Месяц назад

@@SpareSomeChange8080 The only game I had was a Physical copy of GTA V, that I bought again for the PC. I want giving them a penny after the first one was deleted.

@unnero1 Месяц назад

The thing is, its not on page 7 of User Agreement, the EULA for the game has absolutely NOTHING about this, and anyone launching the game after the first day never even saw that stupid linking screen because they disabled it.

@cardigansrule Месяц назад

you're right, it's on page 1 of the steam store page, next to the BUY button, and highlighted in gold. not saying it sucks if people lose access, and Sony should absolutely refund those people.

@neoteraflare Месяц назад

"and anyone launching the game after the first day never even saw that stupid linking screen because they disabled it" Then how did I link it 1 month after the release? When I started it asked me to do it.

@scottholmes6080 Месяц назад

@@neoteraflareNever asked me to. I wish listed the game and bought it the first day and it never asked me to, though I couldn't get in the servers till the second day. Should've been more heavily advertised imo but I don't think steam will issue refunds given the information was technically out there

@randomyoutubecommentersecu7639 Месяц назад

@@cardigansrule As long as it is in the steam page but not the game EULA itself it is useless. False advertising has been a thing in steam games in the past and they have been refunded or taken off the store.

@sirpieman300 Месяц назад

i saw that linking screen when i purchased and launch my game for the first time, 3 weeks after launch..sooo thats a lie

@kosta8334 Месяц назад

If you are in the UK or Europe, forcing you to create a new account and share personal details / collect data is illegal under the Data Protection Act and GDPR respectively. I have requested a refund on these grounds from Steam.

@picklerick2861 Месяц назад

Can you link or state the part of the UK data protection act that makes this change illegal. I'm trying to look into it and can't find anything of note.

@ancient-lemon Месяц назад

They are not forcing you to give them your details. You are not forced to play this game. If you don't want to give Sony your email, then you can play something else.

@RoseSapphic Месяц назад

@@ancient-lemonexcept they bought the game paying money to play something theyll be locked out of. Some people are also region locked so can NEVER play the game

@IDKThatOneDude Месяц назад

@ancient-lemon with that argument, you could for example buy a bed then several months later the company you got the bed from comes into your house and locks your bed away in a metal box then tells you all you need to do to use your bed again is to give them all your personal information that they'll sell and leak to everyone. But no one is forcing you to use that bed you purchased right? Just don't use it, buy a new bed.

@ivanlopez4080 Месяц назад

@@ancient-lemon Hows that not forcing lol? your psn account if normal like most people tend to have your information in the account like your name, address, state/country and a payment option of sorts usually a debit/credit card for digital purchases and sony and psn get hacked and data breached a lot doesnt mean theyll get your info but doesnt mean 100% they cant so its not just giving them a single email

@nighthaunter4348 Месяц назад

I have made a psn account but there is no option in the game to link, I have seen in youtube videos that under options there should be an icon with Account that brings you to an QR-Code but when I open it the icon is placed somewere else and does nothing. This shit did cost me more then half an hour and is not even finished.

@obtuserubbergoose1933 Месяц назад

Is anyone else getting the loop of click the steam link to link accounts create an account than just get stuck in a loop of it asking you to create an account even though you just did and you are signed into the account ?? 120 seconds ???

@Thurban Месяц назад

The problem with review bombing Helldivers is that it doesn't punish Sony directly enough. It punishes Arrowhead, and Arrowhead didn't make this call, Sony did. Down the line, Sony will look at the negative reviews around Helldivers because of their own actions, and then further punish Arrowhead for not living up to expectations, people will be laid off, and the games industry will get that much shittier. This is the cycle. They will pass the buck on this at every single turn.

@equalopportunity2048 Месяц назад

@Blakkrazor69 go get em tough guy, talk to all of Arrowhead in person

@StuartGray Месяц назад

Arrowhead gave Sony power to do this. Just like saying Bungie was not responsible for the things that their publisher did. Developers know the rep of publishers, Sign on the dotted line for money and make that choice. I do not know if you are ignorant of this or just feel the need to protect the developers by lying.

@RedDuke03 Месяц назад

@@Blakkrazor69 That's not realistic. Sony owns the IP rights, so if Arrowhead wanted to make the game at all, they had to work with Sony in some capacity. This is Sony suits being flatly stupid, looking to shore up numbers so they look better.

@toecutter9372 Месяц назад

@@Blakkrazor69I totally agree with your reply.

@Hartbreak1 Месяц назад

The thing is that it was one of the mods on Discord that proposed that option so of course everyone will follow suit. I'm sure they won't say "contact Sony and protest there" (at least not directly) because they're under contract by Sony.

@KingZedusPrime2009TyrentKaiju Месяц назад

This Spitz guy sucks. He shouldn't be in charge of anything. There are people in other countries who cannot make a psn account, and now they are going to be locked out of the game entirely with no refund.

@krio3060 Месяц назад

He also seemed very aggressive. Players are concerned and he basically tells us to stop crying

@kaakabe Месяц назад

@@krio3060 “Without respect, we reject” - Doomcock

@ottovonbismarck7094 Месяц назад

@@krio3060 he deleted the HD1 discord cause he got butthurt when peopke didnt put up with his shit, bro should be shitcanned

@GoodBoyGoneDad Месяц назад

Why would people who have played dozens or even hundreds of hours of the game need a refund. They've gotten more than their money's worth. Steam doesn't even allow refunds if you've played more than 2 hours.

@kaakabe Месяц назад

@@GoodBoyGoneDad clown

@ltnp3100 Месяц назад

It’s crazy how publishers have more control over games than the developers

@wiewioragaming5726 Месяц назад

while caring much less :(

@forbiddenruin Месяц назад

Thats because Arrowhead signed over their rights in those departments to Soyny. I can see accidentally Team Killing a rainbow cultist and then getting banned on PSN for bullying a marginalized person.

@roseforyoubabe Месяц назад

sony owns the ip so they are the boss

@Mr_G87 Месяц назад

Honestly, if Sony ever reverts the decision, it will be after the fact when it blows up in their face (and also they seem to either not have paid attention to region locked players, or they knew but just didn't care, probably because they have some user agreement bs)

@Grenthor_The_Mighty Месяц назад

The time it takes to MAKE a psn account is not the issue like people keep saying. The problem is ANOTHER company putting their fingers on my email and my personal information to be leaked and hacked. Like has already massively happened with Sony in the past

@agitatorjr Месяц назад

You can create an email account and use BS info. If you have been online a while you should already be doing this. Most people have multiple "spam" accounts.

@Giloudu27 Месяц назад

@@agitatorjr you missed the point. Even if the PSN account is a burner account, the Steam account it would be linked to would not be one. If Sony gets hacked again then Steam player could have their whole account stolen/destroyed (with games worth hundreds of dollars). My calculations were quick, Helldivers 2 is now uninstalled and I changed my review (can't get a refund, I'm past 150 hours)

@larry.f Месяц назад

@@Giloudu27 Should try to get it anyway. The 2 hour gameplay time is for automatic no questions refund. If you prove you deserve a refund they should refund you for it.

@andrzejwysocki609 Месяц назад

my psn acc is so old too i forgot all its info and its email, so i wont even try recovering that shit lol

@ryanvacation7319 Месяц назад

@@agitatorjrthis. I use a separate email for stuff like Steam and PSN logins. It keeps their spam out of my real email. With that said it would be nice if we can send Sony PlayStation direct feedback on our displeasure. Too back they don’t have an email.

@RichSmithson Месяц назад

It was the PS3 network hack that drove me to buy a PC. Within months of it happening my email account was hacked so I can only assume it was connected during the Sony data breach which effected 70 million people. Now over 10 years later, 3 months after a $70 purchase in my country I’m being extorted by that same company I stopped trusting over a decade ago. If it’s about “safety of psn users” then just end cross play support and leave us PC players the hell alone.

@theSato Месяц назад

Extorted? "Spend one to two minutes making a burner account for this game" is exortion? KEK

@RedDuke03 Месяц назад

@@theSato Tell that to the players who can't make an account, period. This is stupidity and greed on the part of Sony, plain and simple.

@EyesKhold Месяц назад

@@theSato sure make a burner PSN account then link it to your legit Steam account and watch it burn as well.

@MrDoggo23 Месяц назад

@@theSato You do realise that according to Sony TOS, if you make an account in a country that you don't live in, Sony will terminate that account, which will just lock out your product key forever. You are dumb.

@caasi113 Месяц назад

@@RedDuke03 pick a different region. That's how I'm playing.

@Wardaddy84gaming Месяц назад

love how he was surprised about the review after one of the employees told everyone to go do that

@TheChokehold Месяц назад

there was suppose to be a QR code to scan to link with your PSN account, but apparently it's gone any idea when it returns?

@Baraz_Red Месяц назад

"There’s no point in acting surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now…" - message from the Vogon Constructor Fleet to people on Earth ... (The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy)

@mirceazaharia2094 Месяц назад

They miss the small point that that particular Earth civilization was utterly ignorant of that by virtue of never having been contacted and technically and logistically incapable of having reached that planning office to lodge the complaint in the first place. Although I suppose that's exactly the point. Bureaucracies seldom operate in a logical manner, let alone a fair one.

@acetrainer5564 Месяц назад

Wow what a shockingly relevent quote for this. Yeah, that's how it went down.

@oddlypositive3602 Месяц назад

Steam is still selling the game to people that don't have PSN in their country. They should block sales in those regions immediately.

@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Месяц назад

Or it should never been sold there in the first place. Developers have the control over it, they can blacklist the entire country in steam overnight (found out hard way). Allowing game to be sold in places where it physically cant function (abeit later) is basically a scam.

@matiashamalainen7965 Месяц назад

@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Someone is going to be legally liable for selling the game for people that do not have access to PSN. Either AH, Sony or Steam.

@TheWeeJet Месяц назад

The publisher and Devs are the ones that have control over there the game is sold. Steam typically will not step in and force a change until it's a major issue. And I do see that happening in this situation

@roseforyoubabe Месяц назад

they just did that

@sadomars2446 Месяц назад

The devs knew it was coming. It was in their contract, and they didn’t tell anyone.

@lizardofgaming Месяц назад

I can definitely understand the frustration of this situation. Because it has happened to me in the past with overwatch. I played it a long time without having a Blizzard account and then suddenly I need to put one in so I can understand.

@WalkerSunriseChannel Месяц назад

The terms I agreed to when I bought the game in February only stated a third-party account would be needed for cross-play, not mandatory completely. The agreement is broken, demand a refund.

@ThatOliveMrT Месяц назад

Pin this. I look forward to hearing about class actions lol

@Shlongest902 Месяц назад

Boohoo

@quinnhasse9170 Месяц назад

got a screenshot of that agreement?

@douglassavage2675 Месяц назад

Are those the exact words or did it just say that a third party account would be necessary for cross play? If so then the verbiage implies that in order to access the game in its entirety you’d need a third party account

@HusbandOfManyWives1776 Месяц назад

I wanted a refund when they decided to ruin the balance and fun of the game.

@ottovonbismarck7094 Месяц назад

Spitz is like this, he has awful takes all the time and im surprised hes still employed after his shit stiring. The issue is SONY has horrific security practices

@yulfine1688 Месяц назад

Arrowhead itself is a terrible company the fact so many people continue to defend them with everything they've done so far is insane to me..

@Secret_Takodachi Месяц назад

He probably only got the job because of his (or his family's) connections. There's no way that guy has ever earned anything he's got legitimately 😂

@steelhammer96 Месяц назад

The thing is that there is no technical need to implement this, if sony "just wanted to make sure" that you can be identified and hold accountable for your actions, you already can do that. If you have an account there either arrowhead created an UUID DB entry for you or they pulled your account data from steam or sony. So there is no additional value other than sony grabbing more data.

@shoungo1 Месяц назад

I own a psn account and I never linked it but I can't even find the option to link it now. I looked up guides and the option and prompts are just not there for me. So I'm wondering if when this mandate goes through if I'll lose access to the game.

@BadNyaruko Месяц назад

If Sony does this now, we can only expect even worse things to happen in the future... I'm starting to seriously doubt the continued long-term success of this game. But this won’t affect me anymore - I won’t be able to play soon.

@forbiddenruin Месяц назад

Soyny wants to boost their PSN Account Creation Numbers for shareholders for Q2 2024. I can see this happening to ALL cross platform games, "to play with PSN friends you must link a PSN account", and apply that to Xbox players and PSN Friends.

@MrDoggo23 Месяц назад

They locked the official thread about this in the Steam forums so nobody can comment anymore. This should be a lesson to every developpers out there. This is what happen when you sellout to the big corps. Microsoft, Sony, Google, etc. They are not your friends.

@Thelazybaboon-kn3dc Месяц назад

You can still leave a negative review calling out Sony

@OniContraverum Месяц назад

Ah yes, lose your job or let the cocksuckers in charge do what they want. This is clearly Sony, not Arrowhead

@mist12345678910 Месяц назад

It sucks when the corp got you started in the first place. Always unfortunate to see

@Mouchoo Месяц назад

or you can get over it already and stop yapping like childs ? lmao

@plzletmebefrank Месяц назад

... Google is a weird one. What games do you know that Google has published?

@danielhorsburgh874 Месяц назад

It’s not Sony when misty on Twitter, a worker for arrowhead said it was their decision and then quickly deleted their tweet and went protected mode.

@wolfsaints Месяц назад

The thing is, it was supposed to be there at launch but arrowhead disabled it due technical issues idk why didn’t fix it asap tho

@cuttheloop Месяц назад

So what if it's "been there since the game came out..." There CLEARLY was no real requirement at launch, so there should still be NO REQUIREMENT.

@ThatGuyDoingStuffz Месяц назад

Actually it was there since launch

@AndarilhoMarco Месяц назад

There was, actually. But they had some problem with it and AH convinced Sony to loosen up on that point. I bought the game on the first three weeks and it required me linking accounts to play.

@ThunderThumz Месяц назад

Actually it wasn’t.. original terms of service said optional. Thats it. Now in the account link update they say temporarily optional. Legally they’re fucked. As the original terms of service in their own language was written poorly or smartly and in no way did people know.

@HanseLok9495 Месяц назад

There was a requirement but linking didn't work on launch so the feature was disabled. I originally was asked ingame to link my Steam and PSN account in order to play.

@robosoldier11 Месяц назад

@@AndarilhoMarco except they neither enforced it. Nor demanded I make one while playing for the past three months. So why would it at all be relevant now if thats the case? Its an obviously dumb and unnecessary requirement and making it required to play is even more dumb. Its better to incentivize people to link their accounts then hold them at gun point.

@kippies66 Месяц назад

What's up with community managers doing the exact opposite of what they're supposed to be doing lately? Seriously, they're either unwarrantedly preaching, disrespecting or outright attacking concerned gamers. How little self awareness must this Spitz have that instead of trying to defuse the situation, telling people to just drop a negative review and/or uninstall Might be the worst possible thing you can do as a community manager in this situation?

@swector_unit4257 Месяц назад

Spitz is right though yall are complaining and attacking the wrong people who had nothing to do with this. All of this is from Sony trying to make a quick buck and Arrowhead can't do nothing about it because 1. Sony helped with getting the resources 2. They have a contract and what is more scummy is that Sony kind of also owns HellDivers 2 because it is a Exclusive.

@kippies66 Месяц назад

@@swector_unit4257 While it is true that Sony is the instigator behind the controversy, most likely forcing this on the players because it inflates their account numbers, There's nothing about Spitz's behaviour that's defensible. Instead of pointing the finger at Sony, Spitz instead opts to massively downplay and strawman the issue, mocking those complaining that they can't spare five minutes to make an account while that's clearly not the issue. Besides, most people are well aware of this and most of the heat is directed at Sony, not Arrowhead. It's both Spitz and the other community managers' comments that make Arrowhead look bad. Add to this that telling concerned fans to either place a negative review or uninstall, only adds more fuel to the fire, making the situation only worse. Even if you say that pointing the finger at Sony might cost them their job, treating the players' concerns with such blatant disrespect is equally if not more damaging for their career, the game and Arrowhead as a whole.

@forbiddenruin Месяц назад

His lashing out was wrong, but he was Right about leaving a negative review, it affects Soyny more since they are the Publisher that made this decision, hes was also wrong for allowing this game to be signed over to Soyny to make this garbage decision so Soyny can get PSN Account Creation bragging rights to shareholders for Q2 2024.

@The_Lesser_Evil Месяц назад

I think the biggest thing is their attitude towards their own customer base, it feels more like they have something against us than trying to work with us and that's what's pissing people off.

@takethee.c.wheymang3917 Месяц назад

Spitz response has diablo immortal reveal vibes.

@nuggsy7085 Месяц назад

I'm not making an account for a system I don't own with a company that's had several severe info security breaches over the past decade. They think I'm going to give them a photo of myself or my ID for age verification? Laughable.

@Aesir247 Месяц назад

Sony doing this for "security reasons" is laughable. "Hi, I'm from the government and I'm here to help!" ... Even if its easy to do so, I don't think we should give Sony the satisfaction of creating, or linking PSN accounts to our Steam accounts. They might realize how scummy this is if it hits their bottom line. Hopefully..

@Jaden334 Месяц назад

Right? I'm ready to drop the game in solidarity with my russian, philipines, and chinese brothers

@section214YT Месяц назад

Ronald reagan quote lol

@forbiddenruin Месяц назад

Wait until PSN requires a linked Twitter account and Discord, then judges you based on what you post about then bans you, which locks you out of any Steam-PSN linked games.

@pikojupiter4083 Месяц назад

Right now observing helldivers 2's player numbers after both the update and this decision player numbers are down to 1/2-1/3.

@alphaomegaalines5935 Месяц назад

i am in the EU, they claim that the agreement was alwase there, however, there is no way of verifying that.m i i live in the EU modificying a contract without my consent is pretty difficult if not impossible. meaning that i cannot access it if i dont agree to a new set of rules. which means that my access to the game is not there

@SonAlexander Месяц назад

It’s not about making a PSN account. It’s the NEXT part about them controlling and policing people.

@D-S-G. Месяц назад

Can't wait to get reported by the 1 rando for griefing for blowing up my 2 other friends in the lobby

@Lezarddd Месяц назад

Tbh I don't even care about that part so much. I'm just not making an account in a service with a track record for being hacked and leaking user data on a nigh-yearly basis.

@Kinkade076 Месяц назад

@@D-S-G.close your lobby….

@Kinkade076 Месяц назад

@@Lezardddso. If its a new sony account what infor will they get. The email you tie to it? Make a trash email with a fake name and no use other than that holder. A randomly generated password. There. No vulnerability.

@Lezarddd Месяц назад

@@Kinkade076 You still need to link the PSN account to your Steam account. That means that WHEN (not if) the PSN databases get hacked once more, it's not just your PSN account that's in jeopardy, it's also your Steam account.

@fredrickjones566 Месяц назад

My brother and sister plays with me from the Philippines. They’ll lose access because they don’t have PSN. I wonder how Sony will handle this? I bought the other copies so we could all play together.

@kielbasamage Месяц назад

That’s insane. I had a PSN account in Rizal ten years ago. I can only assume Sony got rid of those servers and are now causing grief for so many countries that have been removed from their lists, let alone those that never had them in the first place.

@fredrickjones566 Месяц назад

@@kielbasamage thank you so much for your sympathy. I’m still in shock, like “what do I do now?”

@Sure_Ruse_User Месяц назад

@@fredrickjones566 I saw some Reddit comments saying that they years ago simply made an account corresponding to a neighbouring region/country that does have official PSN coverage. I don't get what aside from direct marketplace and own countries currency usage would be truly affected by not having PSN in your direct region/country.

@rolanalcantara5430 Месяц назад

@@Sure_Ruse_User Yes, we can make a PSN account under a different country but that's a violation of the ToS and if caught, Sony can ban our accounts no questions asked. How will they know? Well Steam does have our country supported and thus it will show that our Steam account says one country while our PSN would show another, if Sony's anti-cheat detects that, guess what -- that's again a violation of the ToS and so Sony again has the right to ban our accounts if caught. And no, I don't feel like playing cat and mouse with an anti-cheat just to play a game I already bought and paid for.

@boomerix Месяц назад

@@rolanalcantara5430 Yeah, so the only viable option would be to demand a refund as the game has been made unplayable by the new requirements. Trying to trick the system would give them a reason to claim they don't owe you anything as you are the one who breached the ToS.

@jasonanderson846 Месяц назад

Going to the casino today so I will feel less ripped off

@Ol.Reliable Месяц назад

I can’t even find the option to link a psn account like, you expect us to link an account when we can’t even find the option to do so

@tchanthaphaeng Месяц назад

That Spit dude should have just kept his mouth shut. The negative reviews were inevitable but more hate definitely came because of him.

@blinkmuch Месяц назад

I doubt it got worse because of him but he certainly needs to be fired. Him and Baskinator. Baskinator unproffesionaly pin a "Nobody will see this so im gay." joke in a serious matter like this. Twinbeard I respect as he truely tries.

@Zynet_Eseled Месяц назад

@@blinkmuchapparently he got removed from being a community manager.

@Xbalanque84 Месяц назад

How much do you think Sony's paying him to convince people to give them players' Steam data?

@Xbalanque84 Месяц назад

@@Zynet_Eseled Good.

@wotenjoyer2777 Месяц назад

This is infuriating. I'm from Poland so I can add psn. But knowing this shit place I ll get my stuff leaked. But moreover literally 2/3 of the world can't acess psn. SHIT ON YOU SONY

@gvido2923 Месяц назад

Yeah im from Latvia and cant make account here

@gregc.9313 Месяц назад

Arrowhead as well. They knew exactly what they were doing when they got in bed with Sony. Nobody held a gun to their head forcing this. They knowingly sold this to people in countries that wouldn’t be able to access this once implemented. Fuck both of them.

@Damaged7 Месяц назад

hate to break it to you bud, your info has been bought an sold many times already.

@MetaMaticGamer Месяц назад

I noticed upon first launching the game that it said a PSN account was required to play near initial release and tried my damned hardest to sign into my old PSN account. Eventual got into my account after realizing it wasn't as required and also linked my Warframe account for extra stuff from that as well. But hearing that players outside of PSN influence actually can't play the game at all is just ridiculous and short sighted.

@Queldonus Месяц назад

I live in the US, and I have a PSN account from long ago that I still have access to. And I won’t be linking it for a number of reasons 1) I don’t care how much or how little data Sony actually gets from Steam on me. They haven’t needed it thus far for the game to operate, and I get nothing for in return, so they can’t have it. 2)I also feel they have been very deceptive. I saw that the game required a PSN account, but was assured by friends and saw upon lunch that that link was not in fact required. After that initial ask, the game never told me I would need to link a PSN account again. This is not the first time that game has said an account link is required, but it actually wasn’t, so the lack of further requests led me to believe that it would never be required. Their reasons are BS. The game has been running without it for this entire time, and community ban and protection tools already exist within Steam. Which leads me to conclude they want player data 3) Some players will totally lose access to a game that they have paid for and been playing for months. Some of the friends that I play with are in this situation. So if they go, so do I. I’m going to continue playing without linking a PSN account until the game is taken from me, or Sony reverses their decision. If the outcry so far doesn’t convince them to reverse it, I am hoping that the player drop off next month will.

@Dac85 Месяц назад

They need to either offer blanket no-question refunds to anyone that bought the game in PSN-less regions, or just not go through with this at all. Preferably the latter since, you know, it's obvious it's not actually necessary. The little notification on the store page underneath controller support, which is well below the buy button, isn't justifiable. If Sony wanted this, they should've made AHG put a pop-up notice that the game would eventually require PSN accounts once the system was sorted every time you logged in. As it is, you have players that never even saw that small tag on the store playing for MONTHS before getting hit with this. Whoever is in charge of managing this at Sony needs to find another job. What a completely avoidable shitshow.

@lukemehalick370 Месяц назад

Nothing like releasing broken products that can't even do what they inferred as mandatory. That's my big thing. If you can't make the game do what you want, it's not ready for release. It wasn't mandatory, hard to see, and tbh, there are some idiots like me that saw the anticheat load up and was like oh that's 3rd party, that's what they meant about that. No huge deal let's go. Oh no there's ANOTHER 3rd party.

@agitatorjr Месяц назад

You say it's not necessary, but I bet this will fix the friend bugs that have existed between ps and PC.

@rucker69 Месяц назад

@@lukemehalick370 like the gameplay itself, 3rd, 4th, and 5th parties crap on the experience lol

@Rashed1255 Месяц назад

I thought connecting a PSN account was required cuz I was told by a PC player that it was the first thing he was required to do 🧐

@ozylocz4078 Месяц назад

I’m personally gonna chase a refund and I’m in the states. Not sure if I’ll get it but I encourage everyone to attempt, a few people might not do anything but if everyone pushes for it and steam takes notice they’ll likely give them out. Steam is actually a good service unlike Sony.

@George89999 Месяц назад

This is was very bungled from a PR standpoint. 1) Sony should have known this would be a problem long before launch since there are people on Steam which can't have a PSN account (often due to country restrictions). Sony themselves lists the countries where they don't offer services. 2) Nobody likes being given an ultimatum even if it's not a big deal to them personally. 3) A "carrot" almost always gets a better reception to a "stick". In my opinion they should instead have first offered free stuff (i.e. Super Credits and/or a new cape) to get people to voluntarily link their accounts while finding a solution to those without a PSN account (another solution or a full refund).

@mindsight9732 Месяц назад

Not big enough carrots, not big enough at all. The problem isn't linking, the problem is who they eant us to link too. Most would rather bury the game then deal with sony.

@agitatorjr Месяц назад

They should have just said this will fix the friending issue between PC and PS. It probably will. People would have complained, but a lot of people would have done it. Well, at least those in countries that could.

@tobiasrietveld3819 Месяц назад

Sony is pure Japanese business culture. They aren't hindered by things like common sense.

@Hykaon Месяц назад

if the link was from day 1 i would have refunded the game before the 2 hours window now i can't i will spam steam support for a refund tho

@George89999 Месяц назад

@@Hykaon I agree that this is unfair to a lot of players. While this doesn't affect me personally, it is still a pretty scummy move by Sony and I hope the backlash is enough to persuade Sony to either come up with a more reasonable policy or to find a way to make amends to players such as yourself.

@amplifier8435 Месяц назад

They really should have add superstore's armor to the vote list.

@Burlehmangus Месяц назад

Hey, off topic, but I was curious if anyone else has this: sometimes when playing helldivers, I get this pop up on windows, that looks like a red error pop up…but it’s all in foreign characters, either some for of Asian, or middle eastern. Anyone else get this sometimes?

@dizzydizzydizzydizzy Месяц назад

If they keep the new rule by the lockout, I'm out. I'm in a country that has PSN I just can't be bothered with Sonys nonsense.

@DeadlyTinyOrc Месяц назад

Ok bye, good riddance

@slaik3088 Месяц назад

100%. I even have PSN. I don't want steam and my PSN connected. Good luck Helldivers, because I'm going to my bank for a refund if this is enforced.

@IrnMaiden304 Месяц назад

I'm already out, uninstalled until there's a resolution, and possibly out the $65 I paid for the base game with the " Super Citizen Edition ".

@mr_ldc_killek2 Месяц назад

@@slaik3088 glad I brought this on g2a

@Jovan_Jarkarane Месяц назад

I bet you are going to regret it and be back in few days. Don't do sht you are going to regret in few days.

@DeathRainsz Месяц назад

There is absolutely zero reason we need to make a psn account other than the reason Sony want you to do they can gather your data.

@robhickman3355 Месяц назад

What meaningful data?

@yulfine1688 Месяц назад

@robhickman3355 personal information on games you play, where you live generally, things you look at so they can produce ads to target you, people already hate Microsoft for this and people hate the fact most companies do this because it's true they all basically do they collect data and sell it. Sony also consistently has data breaches..

@Defixio. Месяц назад

thats not true. they may want to censor you, push to ban your account. try to spam your previously unknown email address. lots of grotesque reasons nobody likes!

@DeathRainsz Месяц назад

@@robhickman3355 who cares it’s my right to privacy and I don’t want them popping adds up ever 5 seconds to sell me something. I won’t make a psn account to play a video game, game will dye in my library.

@cr0wN_ Месяц назад

I have already sent a formal report to ECC that is directed to Sony since I am losing access in less than a month

@agentbbrian Месяц назад

"I thought you were refunding and leaving" -Spitz community manager.

@kool-aidman7454 Месяц назад

Im sad that all the dev can say is "I understand your discontent. I'm sorry. It is what it is."

@ThatOliveMrT Месяц назад

That's what happens when you're small. You have to sell your soul to the publisher.

@fokjohnpainkiller Месяц назад

@@ThatOliveMrTNo you don't lmao

@kaakabe Месяц назад

truly i couldn't care less about ther "sorrys" they made pact with the devil - they knew about "necessiti" of PSN yet they allowed game to be sold in psn blocked regions,they allowed to steam users play the game without psn account , and the best the have to say is "sorry its Sony decision not ours" , "it allways needed a psn accoutn so stop crying" and my favorite " you dont like it dont buy or play it and cry in steam revievs". sorry but using a EA's signature move of "dont like it dont buy it" is too much. “Without respect, we reject” - Doomcock

@cheeseburger1293 Месяц назад

@@kaakabewhen the game came out first they had the requirement for a PSN account but they negotiated to hold off on it because of the server issues and that I wasn’t working properly from my understanding. Also Sony owns the Helldivers IP so they can do what they please. I hate what’s going on and I’m not saying arrowhead is innocent, they could have told us sooner but a large amount of blame still goes to sony

@kaakabe Месяц назад

@@cheeseburger1293 dont care - they showed that its not necessary to have psn to run the game and thats it. Shiti devs,shiti publisher and now great game is dead.

@polkalamypekopeko2969 Месяц назад

Man y'all remember when we are just having consoles with individual games in CDs?

@catalyst25 Месяц назад

them good ol days my friend

@jasonmako343 Месяц назад

I also remember when Sony put root kits on their audio CDs.

@forbiddenruin Месяц назад

Ah, the Xbox One days where you have a Physical CD and still need to download 65GB of files or you cant play (this trend started with the 360)

@kimzer0189 Месяц назад

From PH here, I have a PSN since 2019 and never had a problem. But I won't be linking that to my Steam since my credentials there are not real since PSN is not available in our region. Probably gonna play until May 30th and wait for any changes.

@jacobsoby3910 Месяц назад

@SwanyPlaysGames You're missing the point... we play on Steam because they have our trust... Sony lost it with the DVD root kit.

@thisdude9363 Месяц назад

Spitz is the same chin-wobbling Reddit tier god complex mod that nuked the HD1 discord for not bowing to his almighty authority.

@justanotheropossumchannel5304 Месяц назад

For real? That was him?

@asfdasdful Месяц назад

@@justanotheropossumchannel5304 yup people on reddit pulled receipts. Why does he have a job there? Hes insufferable.

@TheMadMoNtEcH Месяц назад

womp womp

@ottovonbismarck7094 Месяц назад

@@TheMadMoNtEcH jannie go home

@martindrengenxbox360 Месяц назад

Baskinator is no better, raging SJW who loves to label and then ban people with a different opinion.

@electricbayonet2 Месяц назад

Does Spitz have a Scrooge McDuck vault full of blackmail on the rest of Arrowhead? I have no idea how else he’s kept the job of ‘community manager’ otherwise. He has a track record of behavior like this, and he’s not even good at his job when he’s managing to not be overtly antagonistic.

@HuwPewPew Месяц назад

There's a chance he works directly for Sony. In which case, Arrowhead are stuck with him.

@Madhamz Месяц назад

Community Managing 101, do not passive aggressive insult your player base. "Don't like it, refund it"

@acetrainer5564 Месяц назад

This. Telling players its not a big deal, mocking it as taking 120 seconds and all that, like wtf did he think would happen? We'd all just go "Oh huh I guess I never thought of that" and move on? No, obviously it would convince nobody and just irritate people who don't like it! There's NO good outcome to a post like that! How does he have a job?

@Aviator-Chicken Месяц назад

That became pretty obvious to me when the last patch came out and he was completely out of the loop hyping up all the buffs when the patch had more nerfs. Yes there were a lot of buffs but dude was really out of touch

@realmach5 Месяц назад

Sony: you need to link your psn account to steam for security reasons Also Sony: data breaches are an annual event I won't link my psn account on principle alone, hopefully AH chooses a better publisher for their games in the future if what they really care about is making a good video game.

@dotmadhack Месяц назад

If it's not a big deal to make an account in 2 minutes then why is it a big deal to require it?

@blazinpuffs Месяц назад

Bingo!

@BirdTheLegend Месяц назад

That's where you're wrong the devs had control until they signed the contract that gave that control to Sony. And why was it even sold in countries that doesn't allow psn?

@DakkaDakka12 Месяц назад

They didn’t sign anything, the helldivers IP was owned by sony from the start back in helldivers 1.

@MysticLuka Месяц назад

@@DakkaDakka12 I think a lot of people are misunderstanding this and putting a lot more blame on Arrowhead than they should. Sony has always owned Helldivers, Arrowhead never did. Arrowhead just made the game, and Sony allowed them to. That's basically it.

@BirdTheLegend Месяц назад

@@DakkaDakka12 so arrowhead lied when they said they make their own decisions awhile back when mtxs coming to the game later was brought up. And still doesn't answer why it was sold in countries that don't allow psn to begin with

@Hykaon Месяц назад

and lets not forget that the arrow head CEO said that arrow head was independant and sony was just funding hd2

@Kc40k Месяц назад

@@Hykaon Ya! There's definitely some dishonesty going on.

@Zelix678 Месяц назад

Not just kill the game, but open Sony to class action lawsuits.

@erikpelletier4991 Месяц назад

Nope japanese company they can sue you but not the other way around without extream circumstances

@TheGeoCheese Месяц назад

@@erikpelletier4991actually it does open Sony to a class action lawsuit for fraud. They shouldn’t have been selling the game in countries that don’t have access or allow the PSN if they were going to do something like this.

@SerunaXI Месяц назад

@@erikpelletier4991 There's still offices in America(much of why Sony bends the knee to those wanting to cut its head off is due to the California office).

@erikpelletier4991 Месяц назад

@@TheGeoCheese thank you for the information

@Zelix678 Месяц назад

@@SerunaXI Sonys HQ has been in California since 2018.

@LilianMSReaper Месяц назад

So the linking was supposed to be temporary at first? Good to know now.

@Lonesomebird Месяц назад

180 hrs in and xbox player who moved to pc. The way corporate is doing things on any front im debating on setting video games asside and look to tabletops more in the comming months/years.

@SatyrnCore Месяц назад

@5:03 It's not a "Review Bomb". Many people are genuinely upset and/or affected by the region limitations of PSN. Others may have concerns with their data privacy and account linking. I am sure many other concerns exist.

@dziewiaty Месяц назад

Review bombing is simply convincing community to mass review the game, it does not have to be done maliciously, if that's what you are talking about.

@Secret_Takodachi Месяц назад

It was nice to see one last ordinance drop on Helldiver's 2 user score.

@forbiddenruin Месяц назад

a "Review Bomb" often contains a majority of bad replies from non-customers, I see most of the complaints coming from Customers.

@D44RK_Iced_Yogs Месяц назад

The CM really needs to be better at communicating. I get he’s fed up with the Discord posts about it but he should be professional and not throw a tantrum with the most attitude while tossing consumers under the bus by saying “you should be able to do it” when only 70 countries can. Edit: To anyone fed up with this I suggest checking out the “Stop Killing Games” movement that’s going on. Accursed Farms has a campaign going on to get more and more countries to cement the idea of games being products and should be treated as such. Many games are unplayable after support ends and that’s not fair! This indirectly aids to the account stuff so I hope to see more information about it being spread!

@DeadlyTinyOrc Месяц назад

No, VPNs work in most countries and they even sell PlayStation in those countries too. No excuse. This is basic shit

@springnutica Месяц назад

I saw a Reddit post on how spitz needs to fired, he’s adding more fuel to the fire right now

@Tsuna_SoulSilver Месяц назад

Yeah.... Even though it is 100% Sony's fault the only ones reacting to this is ArrowHead and we are literally fighting within ourselves while Sony is just laughing at the sidelines while collecting all the money that they get without repercussion.

@loner9832 Месяц назад

He doesn't give a shit about us he just want our time and money, fuck him and all of them I'm getting my refund.

@yulfine1688 Месяц назад

While it's true it's a product and that it should still have something when support ends you can't force a company to continue to spend reosurced on a game, single player games is one thing they're basically fine but anything that doesn't have it once support ends it's done that's just how it is there's a lot of complex legal issues when it comes to this.

@STEMR-on3ll Месяц назад

Made an account last night, if this thing gets REALLY bad I take a break until the hole thing blows over

@xathlak Месяц назад

I don't check for those 3rd party requirements. If i buy something and then launch it only to be told i have to create some other account i quite often will just refund it, so there's no reason to really check.

@reclhoss Месяц назад

It was the best game i have played in a decade. I'll miss it.

@shawnfee9107 Месяц назад

It's insanely wild that Sony is handing itself L's on not one, but TWO games that should be 100% SLAM DUNKS. Censoring M-rated Stellar Blade after the dev said all region versions would be uncensored, and now forcing PC players to make a PSN account to continue playing a game they already bought. You just can't make this shit up.

@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Месяц назад

Right after trying to sue xbox for unfair trading practices and losing hard instead due to their own actions. That what effective monopoly does to a company, they dont think they can fall and do whatever they want because of that, there is no one to actually punish them, right?

@justaspiral Месяц назад

@@alexturnbackthearmy1907Makes me remember how hypocritical Sony is.

@afcansf5996 Месяц назад

Strange time my foot, they know exactly what they are doing, but some how the industry still think we' re stupid.

@johnsavvy4282 Месяц назад

Someone read the TOS, it's not in there.

@Moodyman90 Месяц назад

Been posting this everywhere today, as someone with a PSN/Sony account, I don't want it linked in any way to my Steam account. The reason being how Sony is constantly being hacked and i have more emails related to that account about getting settlement money from the lawsuits against Sony for various reasons than anything positive from Sony.

@HusbandOfManyWives1776 Месяц назад

I own both platforms, but I don't want both account linked together. It makes no sense to be forced to link both.

@fullstackweebdev4855 Месяц назад

I think mine is already linked since I thought it was required when I bought it. However, now I know it wasn’t enforced, I’d like to unlink it for the reasons you’ve stated. It obviously works without the link. People are saying this will fix the friends system, but mine is the worst out of my friends, so I don’t see how.

@StuartSeymore Месяц назад

Microsoft does the same for certain games like sea of thieves for ps5. and let’s be real if someone wanted to hack accounts it wouldn’t matter if your steam account was linked or not they would still find a way.

@Moodyman90 Месяц назад

@@StuartSeymore Hackers are going to hack, but I'd rather they get my information directly from attacking Valve and breaking in than through a back door I left open because Sony can't stand not being more included in some way.

@lilgordon1876 Месяц назад

@@StuartSeymore you are half way right, but why would I allow for my account to be twice likely to be hacked?

@malguskerensky Месяц назад

Arrowhead studio's CEO a few weeks ago "Arrowhead has control over HellDiver 2, not Sony. They are not involved in the operation of the game" - It may of been Sony's call, but Arrowhead had to know this was coming as part of the contract with a publisher and completely failed to communicate this with the Steam community. Even basic "Reminder that PSN registration will be a requirement in the future" If this is not reversed by June 3, then personally I won't play HD2 and will not purchase any game that Sony is involved in as Dev or Publisher.

@agitatorjr Месяц назад

You mean like the reminder that was listed on the steam page that everyone purchased the game from?

@WhyYoutubeSucks Месяц назад

@@agitatorjr Yeah no shit smart ass

@nickmf22 Месяц назад

they did have a reminder right on the steam page that it required one

@quinnhasse9170 Месяц назад

it doesn't help that part was paused for 3 MONTHS

@Zlittlepenguin Месяц назад

I mean arrowhead doesn’t even playtest their own game I dunno why you would expect them to communicate a major deal breaker like this lol

@senn4237 Месяц назад

Update: Tweets have come out from Pilestadt and Arrowhead stating they were aware this was going to be a requirement 6 months before the game launched, and it was their decision to disable the PSN requirement at launch, knowing it would need to be reenabled later.