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Here’s How an Open Democratic Convention Would Work 

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Last week on the show, I argued (www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/op...) that the Democrats should pick their nominee at the Democratic National Convention in August.
It’s an idea that sounds novel but is really old-fashioned. This is how most presidential nominees have been picked in American history. All the machinery to do it is still there; we just stopped using it. But Democrats may need a Plan B this year. And the first step is recognizing they have one.
Elaine Kamarck literally wrote the book on how we choose presidential candidates. It’s called “Primary Politics: Everything You Need to Know About How America Nominates Its Presidential Candidates.” She’s a senior fellow in governance studies and the founding director of the Center for Effective Public Management at the Brookings Institution. But her background here isn’t just theory. It’s practice. She has worked on four presidential campaigns and 10 nominating conventions for both Democrats and Republicans. She’s also on the convention’s rules committee and has been a superdelegate at five Democratic conventions.
It’s a fascinating conversation, even if you don’t think Democrats should attempt to select their nominee at the convention. The history here is rich, and it is, if nothing else, a reminder that the way we choose candidates now is not the way we have always done it and not the way we must always do it.
Book Recommendations:
All the King’s Men (www.google.com/books/edition/...) by Robert Penn Warren
The Making of the President 1960 (www.harpercollins.com/product...) by Theodore H. White
Quiet Revolution (www.cambridge.org/core/journa...) by Byron E. Shafer
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.
You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast (www.nytimes.com/column/ezra-k...) , and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-... (www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-...) .
This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Kristin Lin. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Sonia Herrero.

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@talk2jesse
@talk2jesse 5 дней назад
Hearing this after the first debate. Thank you Ezra. Jump to 31:31.
@joyceyaffe1832
@joyceyaffe1832 4 месяца назад
Thank you for this broadcast,Ezra. The knowledge of this guest seems to balance the state of the Democrat ship.
@mnoot7209
@mnoot7209 4 месяца назад
Great guest! Supurb follow up to last week's podcast exploring the possibility of an open Democratic Convention. Seems like you're getting due credit across the web for taking the risk of being the first to seriously broach the topic of "What could happen if Joe Biden voluntarily stepped down?" Already, I'm liking how you're very systematically approaching this possibility, step-by-step through the entire process of how choosing and nominating completely new Democratic Presidential Candidate _at_ the _actual_ convention would play out in real life, on-the-ground. Not just a bunch of theory and conjecture; but actual real life scenario imagining and planning with folks who've "been there, done that" - similar to the type of investigating and Expert-quizzing we do to write a business plan. Next in your series I think it'd be really exciting to hear from a media expert about how sensationally this would hit the airwaves. The positives and the pitfalls. Perhaps later, as you brought up today (only partially in jest, I suspect), a discussion with genuine reality TV experts could be interesting? No doubt the question of how to attract and engage an audience in today's world of highly schismed, yet somehow interlaced, multi-faceted media that appeals differently to different age demographics is an important field to explore. Not to mention the impact this could have in a world of short attention spans and 24/7 RU-vid/Twitter instantaneous news cycles that make the CNN revolution of the 90s look like child's play. In a way, I'm beginning to think about this topic somewhat similarly to the epoch-changing revolution that Barack Obama inspired in direct microfunding of campaigns. Exciting! I'm glad you decided to grab the reigns and run with this theme. You can tell how important and timely it is by the enthusiasm of all the people who are now seriously considering and weighing the possibilities. I've heard all varieties of media people bring it up for the first time in the past week, since you broke it open a week ago. It's a live wire! It sure would shake up young voter's who are very frustrated thinking about how 2 old white (and orange) shuffling octogenarians who barely know how to use a cellphone could possibly understand _their_ world or represent _their_ interests! I bet Trump's crew is sh*tting 😂bricks! 😅!
@danielpincus221
@danielpincus221 4 месяца назад
Would love to hear your reflections about Lawrence's segment last night.
@surlypiratewench1969
@surlypiratewench1969 4 месяца назад
Ezra I have been a loyal listener for awhile now. I haven’t agreed with you at all lately. I used to think that THE PAPER OF RECORD, was indomitable. That they want the best. This started for me and my intuition,when Maggie Haberman wasn’t fired for holding onto to soooo much information privately for her damn book. Im finding the stories of President Biden( maybe you should refer to him that way)doing incredible things for the people, on PAGE 16. Yet his age made the front page several times. And now this absurd option of a broken convention. This interview was a fascinating lesson in history. But it’s not ‘68 or ‘72. You know very well it would be CHAOS. Consider the pressure Democrats are under now and how f-ing tough this race will be. It’s too late EZRA!!! Wtf are you doing? This expert’s analysis of what would happen is insanity. Newsflash - we won’t win on Biden. We will win because of extreme anti abortion laws( even invetro)and the anti Trump movement. If papers like the NYT, keep playing “both side” reporting when that is a tragedy. It’s black and white this round Sir. Your paper is doing a grave injustice to subscribers like myself. This election cycle cannot be predicted at this time. Your playing into the worst of the Republican Party , a party that will suspend our CONSTITUTION, Trump is creating the narrative. And out of the blue you start promoting a younger candidate. Any younger candidate. Trump sells papers. That’s why the tenor of the NYT has shifted, isn’t it? Are you sure you are aware of what a Trump Admin will do to you and every journalist? And you’re feeding that beast. Now knock it off and start your next campaign for younger candidates in the winter of ‘98. The last two pods have left me royally pissed as if you don’t know the battle we are about to fight. Now please Ezra,prove me wrong. Please
@tonybooth4
@tonybooth4 5 дней назад
$ months ago I agreed and now post debate?? what is your gut response then a considered week later?
@lomotil3370
@lomotil3370 4 месяца назад
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:34 *🗳️ The suggestion to pick a candidate at the convention is both novel and ancient, aligning with historical methods of selecting nominees.* 01:00 *🔄 Elaine Kamar discusses the two-stage process of selecting a president: primaries allocate delegates, and the actual selection of delegates happens later.* 03:32 *📅 The shift to a sequential primary process occurred after the tumultuous 1968 election, influenced by the anti-war movement and the lack of commitment from uncommitted delegates.* 07:14 *🔄 Before 1972, primaries were non-binding "Beauty contests," and candidates could win a primary without winning any delegates.* 08:23 *🤔 Elaine Kamar illustrates the significance of John F. Kennedy winning West Virginia's primary to prove his ability to secure votes in Protestant states.* 11:04 *🔄 Fundamental changes post-1968: Primaries became binding, and caucuses synchronized, marking a shift of control from party leaders to voters.* 13:07 *🔄 The profound change post-1968 wasn't fully anticipated; primaries' binding nature shifted control from party leaders to voters.* 14:20 *🔄 Representative democracy within political parties, where delegates, often elected officials, play a role in selecting candidates under First Amendment rights.* 19:13 *🇺🇸 Incumbency often results in an uncontested primary, showcasing control over the party, and the role of primaries changes when no incumbent is present.* 21:47 *🌐 If Joe Biden were to step down in April, a grassroots campaign would emerge as candidates seek support, engaging in state and county conventions.* 23:09 *🔄 The process involves convincing activists in the Democratic party to become delegates, aligning with the candidate's preferences, and emphasizing the grassroots aspect.* 24:54 *🏛️ The suggested delegate selection process, favoring candidates broadly acceptable to the party, might have prevented Donald Trump's 2016 nomination.* 25:38 *🔄 Reforms aimed at broad acceptability in candidates did not eliminate mainstream candidates, but there's a lack of peer review in the modern primary system.* 26:33 *👥 The current primary system lacks peer review, unlike the past system where competence was assessed, limiting unconventional candidates.* 27:30 *🕵️‍♂️ In historical conventions, candidates had to convince influential figures like Governor Lawrence, showcasing a measure of competence and peer review.* 28:26 *🏛️ Competence was a factor that could have prevented improbable promises like making Mexico pay for a border wall from gaining traction.* 29:20 *🤝 Party officials were concerned about ideology, power, and electability, making decisions based on various considerations, not just competence.* 31:51 *🔄 In case of a candidate stepping down close to the convention, a hectic period of candidate persuasion, media campaigns, and delegate discussions would ensue.* 32:58 *🗳️ A brokered convention might require multiple ballots and intense lobbying, creating a vibrant and unpredictable political spectacle.* 35:59 *📺 In the speculative scenario, the focus shifts from primaries to mass media, creating a dynamic where candidates showcase their "it Factor" to influence delegates.* 36:13 *🌐 Concerns about toxicity and party fractures might be mitigated due to the short time frame, with candidates focused on introducing themselves positively.* 39:38 *🤝 Power dynamics within states vary; governors, senators, and interest groups play pivotal roles in swaying delegates.* 42:06 *🤔 If Joe Biden endorses a successor like Kamala Harris, it could discourage other candidates, potentially leading to a smoother nomination process.* 43:30 *🌐 The unity within the Democratic Party reduces the likelihood of a contentious convention compared to historical instances driven by deep ideological or regional differences.* 44:57 *🎭 Contentious conventions often stem from significant ideological or regional divisions, a factor less prominent in the current Democratic Party.* 46:17 *🇮🇱🇵🇸 Israel-Palestine issue could be disruptive for Democrats, causing a divide, but party unity might improve by the convention.* 46:45 *🛡️ Democrats intensely united against Donald Trump; fear his re-nomination would sharpen their strategic focus, similar to 2020.* 47:12 *📜 Democrats deeply obsessed with winning, reminiscent of historical perspectives on party's role in organizing victory.* 47:40 *🤔 1960 Democratic convention had charismatic JFK almost losing, emphasizing the impact of personal appeal in candidate selection.* 50:56 *🌐 Delegates today may lack experience in convention politics, potential for procedural chaos, but confidence in their ability to figure it out.* 54:33 *🗳️ People may accept convention decisions if primaries are over, recognizing elected delegates as legitimate representatives in an extraordinary circumstance.* 56:59 *🎥 Modern media coverage would intensify and expose politicking at the convention, turning it into a reality TV spectacle.* 58:19 *💰 Post-convention, party health, rather than individual candidate fundraising, becomes crucial for an effective general election campaign.* 01:00:50 *🤝 Post-convention, legal flexibility allows the party to operate as one unit, and unity is projected despite internal disagreements.* Made with HARPA AI
@benwagner2000
@benwagner2000 4 месяца назад
I want Gavin. I want a President born after 1965.
@zdwade
@zdwade 4 месяца назад
I want trump.
@Tahir_Ali
@Tahir_Ali 4 месяца назад
I want JB Pritzker or Jamie Raskin.
@12thparsec
@12thparsec 4 месяца назад
Whitmer is a far better choice. She leads a swing state that has passed some very important legislation since Democrats took the statehouse. Gavin, like Harris, comes from a liberal state where he has faced very little opposition from moderates or conservatives. He hasn't had to win them over like Whitmer. California is also a state that conservatives LOVE to point out as a failure in Democratic leadership (high taxes, growing homelessness, etc.). Gavin would be a terrible pick in my opinion.
@Tahir_Ali
@Tahir_Ali 4 месяца назад
@@12thparsec - She is a very good choice. America is not ready for a woman president. Having said that America was not ready for a black president either.
@surlypiratewench1969
@surlypiratewench1969 4 месяца назад
@@zdwadebankrupt
@stayclean777
@stayclean777 4 месяца назад
Amazing things would happen if Joe could talk good. Ezra might even refer to him as "President Biden".
@CollanCampbell
@CollanCampbell 4 месяца назад
I hope this speculative exercise becomes a real scenario. May we live in interesting times.
@kreek22
@kreek22 4 месяца назад
We live in dumb times. If you looked at the top 500 politicians and 500 CEOs in America, Biden would probably be in the bottom 10 for cognitive function. Harris isn't much better. Great work fellow Democrats. To go from Obama to Biden is just...
@molybdaenmornell123hopp5
@molybdaenmornell123hopp5 4 месяца назад
​​@@kreek22 Firstly, the Democrats went for Biden because Obama was ineligible after two terms and Biden had the best chance of stopping Trump, which he did, by a whisker. He scraped through by tiny margins in Arizona, Georgia and Nevada. Everyone else was polling significantly lower than Biden and would likely have lost those states and the election. The Democrats had one plausible shot at winning and they took it. I'm with Ezra in that Biden is probably up to being president but not so clearly up to winning the election. One difference is that, as president, you don't so frequently need to make the split-second decisions that win you or lose you a public debate with. The presidency is mostly not a quickfire job. You have hours, days or weeks to make decisions. Quick slip-ups and gaffes get corrected. Experience comes in. And Biden scores far better here.
@salutic.7544
@salutic.7544 3 месяца назад
Ultimately I don’t think Biden is gonna cut it for another 4 years. Not in his ability to govern, but in his faculties as person. I think a scenario like this would genuinely be better for democrats.
@RyanSmith-ob1zl
@RyanSmith-ob1zl 5 дней назад
Anyone hear after that shitshow of a first debate? Not such a crazy idea anymore, IS IT??
@stayclean777
@stayclean777 4 месяца назад
What's better in perilous times: a President who mostly excels at the job but is an atrocious, weak public speaker (worse than his opponent even)...or the opposite? Don't it always seem to go/you don't know what you've got 'til you throw it away.
@12thparsec
@12thparsec 4 месяца назад
Klein makes an important distinction in the podcast before this one. Biden may be a perfectly capable president, but he simply is not up for the job of campaigning this year. He's done the fewest interviews of any president in the modern era. He didn't really have to campaign in 2020 the same way he would have to this year. I think he's accomplished a lot in his presidency, but he does not have the energy needed to campaign in 2024.
@surlypiratewench1969
@surlypiratewench1969 4 месяца назад
He might surprise you.
@stayclean777
@stayclean777 4 месяца назад
@@12thparsecMaybe Joe doesn't need to entertain us. Maybe we've got entertainment coming out of our ears.
@molybdaenmornell123hopp5
@molybdaenmornell123hopp5 4 месяца назад
​@@surlypiratewench1969 We want safer than "might". If he's saving his energy for the final hurdles, okay, but let's hope that works.
@surlypiratewench1969
@surlypiratewench1969 4 месяца назад
@@molybdaenmornell123hopp5 it’s our own fault unfortunately. We knew how old he was when we put him in. We figured out pretty quickly that VP Harris isn’t electable (😡she’d do great things) and what has The DNC done to prepare another candidate to replace our 81 year old President? And it’s not like we’re lacking excellent Democrats for leadership. My hope is that Joe wins , then immediately steps aside. Fingers crossed💙💙💙💙
@beab5850
@beab5850 4 месяца назад
I think she is out of touch regarding how much the voters are still willing to just accept party politics as usual.
@hadiza1
@hadiza1 4 месяца назад
💜
@paulboileau3758
@paulboileau3758 2 дня назад
Ezra, don't be so certain that direct elections (as opposed as voting for delegates who decide in turn) is the only pure, correct form of democracy. Your guest is right in saying that Donald Trump would have had far more obstacles to win the Republican nomination under the old nomination methods. "Populism" is driven in part by direct elections, by low-attention voters who are influenced by glib advertising and who may not have deeper philosophical ideologies. Does this sound elitist? Perhaps there was a reason the Republic set up so many similar mechanisms in the first place: to ensure democracy's survival, like the economy and the government, it has to be managed. Who better than delegates, who care most about and are most involved in the Party? This is an angle you may wish to explore in greater detail Ezra.
@MrBearcatjew
@MrBearcatjew 3 месяца назад
I think hell would freeze over before Ezra Klein ever sits down and talks to an average person who isnt a silver spoon college academic who knows nothing of the real world.
@Lou_Mansfield
@Lou_Mansfield 4 месяца назад
I don't agree on the guest's interpretation at 29:00 of Marianne WIlliamson's intent in running for president. She's definitely not in it ultimately to appear on CNN or sell more books. Marianne's RU-vid channel shows years of advocating for progressive candidates across the country, and she's definitely campaigning for new policies and new leadership.
@timo5601
@timo5601 4 месяца назад
NOW you want a new candidate? 6 months from the election? What have you been doing for the last 3 and a half years to make that happen? Wishing on a star? Too late. Thanks for weakening our candidate. I hope you fail at getting Trump elected.
@surlypiratewench1969
@surlypiratewench1969 4 месяца назад
I completely agree. The DNC has its thumb up its a$$. Everyone knew how old President Biden was when we elected him. Wtf did they expect? Time standing still🙄 We have some excellent presidential candidates. Yet nothing has been done to uplift any of them. The NYT is having a field day with Biden’s age as is most of the media. Trump sells. So we need y’all to stfu , get on board , stop the whining and work for your country’s best interests. Ty again for posting, 💙💙🇺🇸💪🏼🇺🇸💪🏼💙💙💙
@gilbertcouto8537
@gilbertcouto8537 4 месяца назад
Beta!
@maxheadrom3088
@maxheadrom3088 4 месяца назад
What are the chances Bernie Sanders will run for President instead of Biden? That's all I want to know!
@mikespector2
@mikespector2 4 месяца назад
Sanders is two years older than Biden.
@annarboriter
@annarboriter 4 месяца назад
@@mikespector2and ages more in line with what I want in a politician
@mikespector2
@mikespector2 4 месяца назад
@@annarboriter Bernie Sanders strongly supports Biden's re-election, and you should as well.
@mikespector2
@mikespector2 4 месяца назад
The chance of that is zero, zilch,null.
@annarboriter
@annarboriter 4 месяца назад
@@mikespector2Yes, I've also lost much of the respect I once had for Sanders
@robertgutierrez5058
@robertgutierrez5058 4 месяца назад
We need to fight against the freemasons, and seek to abolish all secret societies that want to get involved in this proposed Constitutional convention for the USA 🇺🇸. We need 34+ states to petition and bypass US Congress to activate Article V Second Clause Constitutional Convention for all Americans to create a democratic Constitutional Convention Assembly to rewrite Our constitution for the 21st Century! #ArticleV #ArticleVConvention #ConstitutionalConvention #peoplesconstitution #newconstitution #decolonization
@kevinking8222
@kevinking8222 4 месяца назад
Fight against freemasons? Jfc, lol
@docjanos
@docjanos 4 месяца назад
Sounds like this written in 1832 or thereabouts?
@jonnieinbangkok
@jonnieinbangkok 4 месяца назад
Putting ole "Scranton" Brandon out to pasture 😂 😂 😂 #Trump47 #MAGA2024 #letsgobrandon
@surlypiratewench1969
@surlypiratewench1969 4 месяца назад
You’re on the wrong playground Cowboy
@jonnieinbangkok
@jonnieinbangkok 4 месяца назад
@@surlypiratewench1969 Dig the latest Fake News Times' poll 😜 😜 😜
@twhite8308
@twhite8308 4 месяца назад
Why are you doing this? Is Biden so disliked? Who else is ready to jump into his place?
@keep-ukraine-free
@keep-ukraine-free 4 месяца назад
When I saw this earlier, I knew that what Ezra & his chosen guest were pushing for didn't add up. Now I know why. MSNBC's esteemed & experienced journalist -- Lawrence O'Donnell -- explained (here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_9vsivYrC4U.html ) why Ezra's "open convention" idea is naive, impractical, and dangerous (even if we ignore the advantages trump's psychopathy gives him). Lawrence cites many reasons why Ezra's speculative idea will make trump win. Lawrence's decades-more of knowledge is correct. He explains why only Biden can beat trump.
@surlypiratewench1969
@surlypiratewench1969 4 месяца назад
Stop thinking we’re stupid. Even those that agree with that statement are smart enough to figure out how to identify you. GTFO OF MY COUNTRY COMRADE👉🏼👉🏼👉🏼👉🏼🇷🇺
@neiljeffers4746
@neiljeffers4746 4 месяца назад
2034 ridiculous crazy 😧
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