Here Are the Most Underrated Enthusiast Cars 

Speaks of the power of Doug

exactly. hate when he calls out stuff and the market gets even more competitive than it already is. Cars & Bids listings go too high as a result of getting all enthusiasts togetherx

Yes, oh well.

Five million subs will do that to you

You can't see what he is doing????? Come on guys, one of the reasons he does this is to hype up his own intrest and investments....eg.....aka Cars and Bids. Using his platform to generate the hype.

I drove a 2016 NSX and I absolutely loved it. It handles well for it's size and weight, the sound is great, nice fit and finish. And not to mention the Honda reliability and having something that any enthusiast will see you in and give you the nod. They know you have good taste when you drive an NSX. Fantastic driver's car.

What exactly is the difference? Same mass produced engine, same paint, same interior, no? I’m trying to find what the added value is, please someone explain, thanks!

@@ItsAlive111 that is the benefit - a mass produced, but well known engine -> Imagine a super car that is actually reliable and can be maintained as a normal person. If a McLaren, Ferrari, Lambo breaks down, which they will, it is an absolute nightmare. On top of that, the NSX still has the capabilities of those supercar brands...

@@DanVibesTV Mmm crazy talk, just because it’s a Honda doesn’t mean it’s by any means going to be “cheap” to repair. So stow that crap 💩. Performance isn’t cheap stop dreaming.

I saw a bunch of young people in the production line.

I think it’s fine we need more enthusiast to buy these cars new so manufacturers keep making and improving them

100%. Super smart on his part. His use of his RU-vid channel to support C&B is brilliant.

That's just wrong.

I certainly hope so! I own a 2005 Boxster S that I plan to sell next year. :-)

Yeah, and water is wet

I have a 2012 mini coup w JCWs accents that I drive nearly everyday because it’s a manual and fun in the city. In 3+ years of ownership I’ve had 0 issues. I almost never drive my M car simply because I don’t get thrills around town.

I know 3 people who bought new mini, they visit the dealership every other month for repairs, all 3 of them, and they'll never buy it again

A car that has the unreliability of the Mini cannot be underrated. It’s completely irrelevant how it drives when not broke down if it’s always broken! My sister in law, my best friend’s husband both have one and they are ALWAYS in the shop! Buy a MX5, lighter, nearly as fast, handles better and rock solid reliability

@@particleinthewave8378 I guess what I mean is that if you know what you're getting into reliability-wise and aren't going to daily it, a mini cooper s would be a really fun car to own. I still have fond memories of cruising on shoreline roads back when my sister owned the car. But yeah for most people a Miata would be a better option

@@XMG3 well, i thought they be more reliable. Cause they're bmw series 1 with different body

A free shirt is the best shirt

Despite what the name says, that’s an ice cream place in Nantucket.

It’s a special place in Nantucket you’d know NOTHING ABOUT IT

The poor's that complain on this channel will never go to Nantucket.

Not A juice bar….THE juice bar.

this

Its a good thing not many people watch these other wise these cars might go up in price lol

@@vagabond8586 q

@@ernestphilippe3413 w e r t y u i o p a s d f g h j k l z x c v b n m

Thanks

Absurd, fortunately.

E60 is asking for problems, not worth it

@@Gelato41_ the mini also

those underrated new cars doesn't look so underrated to me

Sound is bonkers too with the pro exhaust

Couldn't agree more

I owned a 2007 Mini Cooper S, I loved the car, interior was nice, it drove amazing but the car was criminally unreliable. Scared me out of the market

The way he said Nissan Z though lol I loved it.

“A Nissan Z” Finish the damn quote don’t finish It two thirds of the way and then quote Andrew tay what the hell…

Let's not compare Doug to a human trafficker.

Pfff, base model Ferrari? I drive Nissan S-Cargo

I bought one recently (manual as well) and it’s definitely a unique car and I don’t think you could get any other car with the same experience that car offers

@@TheBigDUCC where did you get yours ?

@@TheBigDUCC where did you get yours ?

@@GhostJohnson found it off FB marketplace, guy had it since 2017 I believe and replaced the rod bearings within his ownership

@@TheBigDUCC lucky you! Wish I could find one.

The Kia Forte GT is better with the DCT but I agree with everything you said.

@@SpyderRacing Yea I remember back in 2015-2016 motortrend tested an SS against an M4. It outdid it in almost every aspect. The BMW fans were coping hard.

Very true. As a Camaro ZL1 owner, this car is exceptionally capable against super cars on the street and on the track.

Camaro is ugly af. No wonder its not selling.

Bro the GLI is facts, literally no one talks about how much of a deal that car is for everything it has to offer I knew it wasn't gonna be on this list but I was rooting for it anyway lol (Yes I have a Jetta but I would be saying this anyway)

I mean he always plugs his website which he makes money on lol

Did you miss the 60 second cars and bids advert?

Favorite series about what? Artificially inflating car prices to please the rich?

@@drippgxd you’re still so mad😂

For the control arms they are making a silent recall due to a bad lubrication of a ball join (outsourced pieces ). malfunctioning electronicsi'm not aware of that. can you explain what are the problems? My2cents i don't give a shit of panel gaps and other minor problems, if the car is half the price for the same performance it's a bargain! Between a brand new 130k$ BMW M3 and Tesla model 3 performance at 70k$ there is no discussion. only the 1% will pay double the price to just have the pleasure to look at perfect alignment.... You are complaing about the tesla but the Mini Cooper is also a very very cheap made car: interior is kinda nice looking (if you like this neo-retro fashion) but only from far away.....

Did you say good quality? HAHAHA! They're always broken.

@@plop31 There was a youtuber (I forgot their name but the video exists somewhere) that got a brand new Tesla model Y and almost instantly had electronic issues. One of the rear doors wouldn’t open electronically, the window stopped working, and it took multiple weeks and multiple tries to fix said issues because the tech didn’t get it right first try/couldn’t properly diagnose the issues. This is just one example but many examples exist out there from customers if you decide to look into it. As for the Mini Cooper, yeah the interior is a bit plasticy but it’s better than something like a Tesla which feels like it was made out of cardboard. The quality of interior materials and build is really poor in Teslas which cause them to squeak and creak nonstop. I can’t say the same about mini coopers. For the price and the enjoyment factor I’d definitely say minis beat Tesla any day of the week, especially one with a manual transmission

I own a mini countryman S They have gotten lot more reliable since they supercharged back then The turbos are lot less likely to break, and with that provides excellent fuel efficiency and good practicality with a fun experience. Minis are selling in massive numbers cause they provide a great package. As for the AWD models countryman and clubman, great fuel, more room and of course all wheel capability. Ive owned mine 2 years bought used, no issues. My brother's ford is having more problems lol

@@user-ty5di3ku6o Old minis, yeah no doubt. The new ones are pretty reliable though. Well, at least they’re better than teslas.

overpriced af

@@basshead. 20-30k€ less than a standard 718 cayman. Sports cars in general are overpriced but the a110 isn't that crazy.

986 boys up!

yeah, hate how their prices are going up. Probably won’t be able to get one now.

@@AutoEnthusiastJC exactly I think I was fortunate to find one with less than 60,000 miles with very good body.

As a Boxster owner/geek/mechanic, suggest you research 06-08 cars with the larger IMS bearing or the Raby bearing

As a mechanic, you owning a Mini makes me very happy. Cheers to well-funding my retirement.

@@haroldbeauchamp3770 please. 🙄 My MINI is heavily modified. Full bolt ons. Suspension. Everything you name it, I’ve done it. I’ve put over $20K in mods into that car. My dad and I do most of the work (I get my love of cars from him). I’ve spent maybe a 1K in repairs so far. But I am happy to help support you with your line of work from time to time because I make enough as it is. I don’t worry about that. I work in the optical field and you wouldn’t be able to to your job unless you can see. I just bought my wife an Alfa Romeo (I’m more worried about that breaking down)

I have a 05 Cooper S manual with basic bolt ons, 17% pulley, 0% crank pulley, Alta intake, Invidia exhaust, BC coilovers, polyurethane bushings etc... This car has been amazing and most fun car I've owned from 20+ cars over the years. I also work on it myself for all the mods and maintenance so it's just like any other car. Awesome little car

I appreciate it I stopped after the Tesla part. Ugh

Oooof, Ferrari. While other options aren't exactly cheap, the California is a bad choice.

You're a hero

Wow you’re amazing. Thank you so much. God bless you, you amazing soul. You saved me 19:27 of my life and now I owe you 19:27 of my life ❤

New Cars: 1. Don't care if it's good. It's ugly and not the good kind of ugly. 2. Way too common. Hard to stand out. 3. For good's sake, Mini, make an AWD one already that isn't an SUV. 4. Hard pass, and I love Subarus. 5. The words "underrated" and "Tesla" don't belong in the same sentence. Ever. Old Cars: 1. Just never appealed to me. Still doesn't. 2. Not bad. I like a good TT. 3. Kind of the beginning of the end for good Beemers for awhile, but not that bad. 4. Always loved the California. Just definition of underrated. Not a fucking Tesla. 5. Timeless future classic. Like this more than the later models.

Put it on Cars and Bid and treat yourself to a nice evening my guy

@@Carlisho yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if they went up in value literally just because Doug mentioned it

@Marf I didn’t expect to see you in Doug’s comment section! RU-vid is a small world I guess.

@@FordGTStronk 👋.I need to make more TT videos 🤣

@@MarfYT agreed. Personally, I liked the first one a lot.

I occasionally drive my son's gf's car just for kicks. Agree that it's a very fun car to drive, maybe the most fun car I've driven since the 65 MGB my dad rebuilt and gave to me when I was a kid. Maybe even more fun if I take off my nostalgia specs lol

I did not know people described Mini as reliable before. That's new to me

@@casualgamers3369 f56 third generation is bmw engine and everything so its oke first and second had terrible psa thp engines that blew up

My folks have an i30 (aka Elantra GT) N Line with a stick, and man, that car is a riot. Super underrated.

not much else out there that gives you so much joy for somewhat little money

My 2013 JCW Clubman is criminally under-rated. Repairs get expensive, but they’re stupid quick, handle better than most on the road, and look fantastic.

We had a 2011 clubman S that I ran out of patience for. Came up for a clutch and they quote me like 5500 for that and some oil leaks. I said screw it, sold it as-is. Fun car, no doubt but holy hell with the drivetrain

I have a 2015 cooper S that has been heavily modified. The only time I was stuck on the side of the road was when I ran out of gas once 😅

Yep, so true. Had my 2010 Cooper S for 4 years. Put thousands of euros in it until the engine eventually blew up. But when it worked, it was hugh fun. Have 3 F56 in the family right now. Yes, they are still more fun than the competitors, but just not comparable in terms of performance and fun to the previous generations.

Over the years I've had so much changed hoping it would be the last major repair. From two transmissions (1st replace had warranty), blown turbo, front axel, to full: suspension, struts, calipers, rotors. Also had an issue with a failed light module; the BMW dealer found 9 new left all in Germany, so mine was pulled from a wrecked car, and poorly programmed when installed. It's now paid off fully and sitting outside till it sells.

I've definitely had the biggest issues of mine fixed over the years. Car is pretty much solid right now

Augmented through the audio system 🤣

There was one that sold on Cars and Bids ~ 6 months ago for much less than I was expecting.

@@OverlandTT The F10 started that feature. The E60 doesn't have it as far as I know.

@@OpeoAslam not sure when it started but the e34 540i had engine sound put through a speaker in the drivers footwell there was also a microphone in the engine bay

The GR86 and MX5 are significantly lighter than the mustang

@@WarrenF and significantly slower and less comfortable

I know a lot of people hate on that Ecoboost but with a few bolt ons you can get to 400hp pretty easily. Is it the V8 heck no . But still a fun car .

@@ahmedomar8552 We’re talking about enthusiast cars not comfortable cruisers

@@WarrenF thanks for that reply…..I’ll never think an eco boost mustang is good, that frame was always meant to be propelled by a big v8, putting a 4cylinder in such a big car is just nonsense

Damn i watched an ltt video snd didnt realize

Same. Own an E90 M3 currently but us cylinder boys are rare.

He's wrong about them still being available with a manual transmission.

@@Sir.VicsMasher They are temporarily paused due to supply chain constraints. Only for the 2023 model year hopefully but it will depend on a few factors.

If you want a mini prior to when they went full BMW, I'd recommend getting one with the n18 engine, such as those from 2009 to 2013 I think. Far more reliable than the other second gens and better than the first gens. You can find them for a reasonable price and there are a few warranties extended until 120,000 miles

I own a 2019 MINI John Cooper Works and it’s great. I love that car, it’s so fun to drive and it’s my daily car. I tested a MINI Cooper S and a MINI Cooper (3 cylinder engine). The MINI Cooper drives well, the Cooper S drives still better than that and the JCW… well, it feels great. Now… a friend of mine drives a Camaro and my brother drives a 2015 Mustang, I think the Mustang drives better, but the Camaro is so cool too.

Shitstang*

such a waste of money at that price point

@@RandomVids519 supra or tesla fanboy spotted

Mustang gt $40,000 car lmao

@@catsaretasty it's understandable , taxes in Brazil are three times more expensive!

everybody i know who has driven both prefers the 43

Get it! Minis are a blast!

We have a 2022 JCW Clubman. It’s a lot of fun. Very happy with the purchase.

Agreed! Love my Cooper S

While your suprised, I’m glad.😂🤝 gives me more time to save lol

@@wr8thbeatz322 lmao I love mine definitely worth it man.

Agreed. Criminally underrated.

Enjoy your youth, my friend.

Love my JCW. I live in Alpine country and need the Countryman ALL4 JCW for the winters. It's damn fun to drive. I do change the oil frequently (every 5K miles/ 8K Km), which the one thing to do in order to avoid problems long term. Had a Gen 2 Clubman R55 before this car. The kart-like driving experience is what turned me on to these Mini's.

M3 just looks terrible

The M3 doesn't look as bad in person. The grille looks worse in pictures. Now, if only BMW wouldn't give the 4 and 8-Series coupes the side profile of the Mustang...

@@ce7190 Then get it in black!

@@bwofficial1776 Agreed 👍

The M3/M4 doesn't look that bad in person though I'd still be waiting for an aftermarket grill modification...

100% agreed, way better than the model 3 or the M3

It looks beautiful and the sound is unmatched, great car

They’re not underrated - by enthusiasts. We all know the QF is awesome already.

The F cars hold their value pretty steadily, and those who appreciate them are still willing to pay for them. I think they're pretty well appreciated... now that they're mostly discontinued. I didn't like most of his list/choices though.

I bought a 2018 John Cooper Works manual in British Racing Green with black roof and stripes last year. This thing is absolutely incredible! And when you put the JCW Pro valved exhaust on it then it becomes the best sounding modern turbo 4 hands down. People don't realize how enthusiast oriented the car really is. It even has magnetic adjusting suspension and ginormous Brembos. And yet it can still pass as classy enough for the valet to pick up and a black tie event. Doug is completely right that it should not be over looked!

your mom has taste haha

and on top of that it is GROTESQUELY FUGLY!

Which suspension option did you get?

@@EndUserTube There's really only one, but I did get the Magneride option, glad I did

Bro I love S550 Mustangs and also looking forward to September 14th!!!!!! Bro I’ve been waiting to see how the S650 would look so it could be my next dream car

That was fast lol

spoilers

It's like how Tesla puts DLC in their cars. The equipment is there, you just have to pay to unlock it.

MK1 TT's are a guilty pleasure of mine, since I was a child in the 2000's. Nobody takes them seriously as sports cars but they do have a beauty to them reminiscent of European cars from the 60's. The one Doug reviewed a while ago, although a convertible, was a gorgeous thing. Later generations of the car kinda lost that aesthetic, although perhaps in favor of a more aggressive, "manly" vibe to them.

Couldn't agree more. A lot of people who've never been in a tesla before says theyre quite boring and not really spry and don't handle well. Replaced my M3 daily with a model 3 performance and it's a pretty awesome car. While vehicles like the plaid steal the spotlight with it's absurd 0-60 times, at the end of the day the plaid's a big cruiser, a good car...but not as spry and eager as it's little brother!

I'm surprised they haven't made a Crosstrek with the WRX powertrain. People have been begging for the return of the WRX hatchback.

@@bwofficial1776 Yes it seems like it would be easy for them to do. They finally gave people a little more power with the Crosstrek Sport but not much.

hahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That is, surprisingly, the most commonly displayed "way of the enthusiast". "It's ugly so I don't like it". Disregard driving characteristics, it won't fit enthusiast's purse so he can't be seen in one. Oh, the fun.

I have one and it definitely looks better in person than in pictures, and it drives really well. I understand that the WRX community prefers the older ones, but fans are turning their dislike into plain hate. And the proof is that only in English-speaking communities I've heard terrible things about it; on other channels they say "yeah, it's cool" and that's about it. Now, to be fair and to also discuss the negatives, I was disappointed on the black plastic panels that it has, although you do get over it pretty soon. The tech side is also lacking compared to most new cars; I wish it had more bells and whistles for the price. You can definitely tell that the Subaru engineers said "pretty please" to the Subaru execs, and they got their last chance at it, and had to make the most of what they had, so they chose quality over design, and had to reuse a bunch of stuff. All that said, it IS a fun, practical and well-made car for people who would swap fancy equipment for a better engine, 4WD and fun driving. AND most of all... non-car people won't say a bad thing about it--it's not like you're driving a minivan that _most_ people find totally uncool. If they even say anything about it--no hate, no terrible things, no complaints about the plastic--it's more like "oh wow, nice car, it looks fast!" and that's about it. It is really just enthusiasts who hate it, and I would invite them to consider it as what it is: a fun sedan by a small company that drives really well, at a decent price.

They dont make manual Mini's anymore.

​@@Sir.VicsMasher I understand your point perfectly. Personally, as a last resort I would buy a new vehicle, I do not see the purpose to pay taxes simply for a question of exclusivity, when I can find the same with one or 2 years of use, which usually does not generate wear to a vehicle. In fact if it will generate 2 years of wear and tear to a vehicle, it is because the vehicle is bad.

Guys are breaking shift forks on stock cars, thats why i bought the 10speed 😅

@@drunkpolack7612 exactly. The 10 speed is insanely good, but I didn’t want an auto. I originally wanted a mustang, but couldn’t get past the MT82. Couldn’t be happier with my Camaro, so it worked out.

@@MuddyTubMedia i miss my manual cars but with minor bolt ons I’m neck and neck with hellcats so can’t complain lol

Sweet bro.

G35?

@@strelitziA_A nah. M35h. I've been driving it for 2 years and as far is I know, I'm the only one who has one. Never seen another one on the road.

This is true, my Abarth has its quirks but it sounds better and looks better than the mini. Hell the 595s and 695s look better and are brand new in Europe

That is true if you fit in somehow. I'm 6"3 and I was unable to find any feasible way to fit there comfortably to drive it :(

@@grig4866 I'm 6"1' and I have headroom to spare. Most of my height is in my legs, and while I wouldn't call it comfortable, my seating position doesn't leave me sore or anything.

Lol every enthusiast knows exactly what it is

The NB and NC are underrated, the NA is so popular that I wouldn't call it underrated.

They are underrated because Americans only car about 0-60 and stupid things. I guess what Doug is trying to point out is how good the car actually drive, how good of a sports car it is