Here's What Ethical AI Really Means 

How is this comment made 3 days ago when the video was premired like an hour ago

@@a-person_0 click the link and you'll find out :o

@@a-person_0it was probably on Patreon first

AI is also made by humans. Just sayin. Happy to pay some coders for decades of work.

​@@iamjackspyramidshapedhelmetok

u rite

Hey go back to making a video about an obscure ps3 game you rascal

that such a noodle thing to say 🎉

​@@i_smoke_ghostsI love noodle 🌈

your god is a cheap bastard, consider another one

Also a robocop reference right? Or I just missed the joke lol

Wait.... You're right, I'm not sure Abigail meant it...but there is a robocop adjacent point there😂😂😂

@@josephrittenhouse5839 Reminded me of that ED-209 scene, executive gets gunned down in front of the entire boardroom and all the CEO has to say is "I'm very dissapointed." lmao

when was that?

Girl, slay.

That's fucked up. 😢

IS THIS REALITY WHAT THE FUCK

My gods...I'm so incredibly sorry. That is a horrific and abhorrent way to treat another Human Being. I at once cannot believe that was allowed to happen, to you or anyone, but also struggle to believe how we can reach a place where that will never be allowed to happen... Take care, and I wish you enough in all you need to live and thrive in this world.

I'm so sorry. I can't imagine how awful someone has to be as a person to just....treat people this way. Horrible.

gosh i feel that but from the other trans direction (i'm ftm). got questioned weirdly and had my chest groped several times :(

Bro, share it with them anonymously if you can- people like that need to hear this

Feels man. I'm internally debating if I should float the idea at work of adding to our open source licenses a "not for training AI" clause (which is technically not OSI correct but forget that). Like, releasing our work as open source is essentially consenting to ai training from it, which isn't why we release it. We want other researchers and engineers to use the code we make, learn from it, and potentially bring us business. Allowing it to train ai does not further any of our goals, and could wind up making it easier for competitors do develop similar technology.

For whatever it's worth, thank you. For having the integrity and compassion to overcome all the battles with cognitive dissonance you must've experienced to arrive at your perspective; carrying the weight of the dissenting opinion is rarely easy or easily achieved. But we reap what we've sown, so there's profound value in those victorious battles in the psyche. The easy path is virtually never the correct one. Good intentions pave treacherous roads _when those intentions are grounded in hubris._ Checking our ego and tempering our desires (via radical self awareness of our psychological shadows (& other's)) breeds far better outcomes. 🐢✅ 🐇❎

I am so sorry and sad to read this.

@@kimberleemodel7182 This is a very interesting observation. Mining copyleft, libre open source-licensed work is an opportunity to launder violations of the license by corporations who use "AI".

These are some really good ideas and thoughtful discussions about this rising technology. Utterly useless, but good and thoughtful. Trying to stop, regulate, slow down or even challenge this thing will be akin to that lady trying to stop her car sliding on the ice by opening the door and putting her leg out. This tech will only get more powerful and harder to distinguish from human-made materials, and it's doubtful we can possibly predict how thoroughly this is going to take over every aspect of our lives.

@@themachine5647 yeh, for me it's just another innovation revolution that we can't oversee the consequences of. like the industrial revolution, or plastic. :(

"Ethics" ARE the guide rails for the most skilled, talented (formidable 🤔) individuals in society. Indeed, Ethics are what defines a "Profession." So if someone claims to be a "marketing professional" then they SHOULD have an Ethical Code governing their conduct.

And that's why I'm gonna major in it yeaaaah 🎉🎉🎉😎😎😎😎😎🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

@@djvarangian that's morals. Ethics is personal.

why the quick drying ink? (i don't have a "natural" writing style despite being a rightie so i'm just curious why its needed)

@@user-vw4xp5nt9f being left handed and writing 'left to right' you are almost immediatley moving the side of your hand against the words you just wrote. This often leads to smudging, and a stained hand. If the ink dries quicker this is less likely to be an issue.

@@sarainy9775 My sister is left handed and so is one of my school friends. My sister learned to write with her book/hand basically sideways so her hand is always beneath the writing to avoid smudging. Her handwriting is immaculate. My friend used a weird claw grip that kept his hand almost fully off the paper, which meant no smudging, but also meant his handwriting was atrocious and very slow because he was writing with no support.

@@BambiTroutI unfortunately learnt the 'no support claw grip' and my hand writing is both slow and atrocious. I'm also dyslexic, so the combination makes me handwriting awful... on the plus side it pushed me into typing from a young age so I've had an 80-100 word typing speed for the past 25 years!

@@sarainy9775 I think it's really bad that despite no longer punishing left handed people, there's still very little consideration for teaching handwriting to left handed children. All of the lessons on handwriting and how to hold a pen are still built entirely around right-handedness, and lefties are just expected to figure it out for themselves and somehow keep up.

man i love you for this reply. hitting the nail one the head imo

This is a fascinating insight and interesting question.

Some peons would need to sit and click "this is a bee, this is a wasp" on images for an AI to learn on.

Incredible comment damn. Also sidenote I assumed all bees look like bumblebees, thank you for educating me!

@@1SophieDEF1 it doesn’t help that most labels on honey will have a picture of a stylised bee with far more in common with a bumble than a honeybee. It’s just better marketing. There are consequences though. There’s an Attractive Lady Of TikTok that is constantly on my feed who has tattoos of a bumble bee on honeycomb and bumbles don’t make comb like that. I am constantly reminding myself “she’s committed to the tattoos now there’s no value in being an entomological pedant”.

Oh wow that's profound actually

Yeah let's just eat worm poop and get blitzed

@@BinarySecondsounds alright to me

Such as comment. Only joking.

And we don't have the benefit of a "Golden Path" that will ensure the survival of our species.

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This makes me laugh and cry of despair simultaneously

pres X to doubt

Vibes. My ai ethics course is like this where the students legit don’t care about ethics, they just need the grade

Really cursed 💀

Mechanical turk... That puts the job conditions into perspective

Yeah I did it for a while since dollar is so valuable where I live, but it's absolutely grueling

Machines started reducing human labor, but then we started worsening work conditions and broadening world connectivity to the point where human labor is cheaper than machine one.

It says there are no subtitles:(((

​@Karin-fj3eu what do you mean? There are english, german and portuguese captions?

o.o

It's also a scam by itself As far as we know, that huge infringement on our privacy and dignity, has as far as we know, not prevented a single planned attack! It'ssecurity theater

Yeah.. those body scanners f*cking suck

Holy intrusions into privacy and bodily autonomy for imagined flight security

@@saraa.4295 no need to go to the extreme, but I also share the feeling that these scanners could be net negative

I was wondering how this would effect fat people. Like, for a fat man with "extra chest padding" so to speak, would the machine register him as having hidden something on his chest? It's so messed up, and there seems to be so many obvious flaws with the system that it's a wonder people thought it useful in the first place.

Looks like they really wanted you there just so they get to say that a sociology and ethics specialist oversaw and approved what they made.

Does make me think back to the Philosophytube video where she recalls being invited to speak about ethics, I think it was regarding climate change, and part of her response was "if you're asking me about ethics, the first thing you should do is _resign_ , you didn't even pay me!" Part of me thought that story was exaggerated or a joke but I'm definitely seeing the pattern of "We only really brought you in so we could pretend we give a shit."

Wouldn't the media be interested in that report instead?

I think there are still ways to expose such things with anonymity and plausible deniability. Not sure how much energy you have for this, but there's definitely some article that could be written and published by public media.

@@Ermude10 unfortunately I signed a contract with them prior to my research stay where it is stipulated that I could be sued was I ever to disclose any information related to the company without their signed agreement ...

Be aware that you can already use AI to generate database code from a schema illustration, so it's taken the 'real jobs' too. Just at this stage the more mundane parts of the task list.

That's the thing that gets me as a former computer science major. Everyone is looking to AI to automate the arts, but what AI is really good at is the mundane tasks that business majors see as "real jobs". We could have an economy where half the people are artists collaborating on the next big marketing push while the machines are crunching numbers in the background, but the bosses want a million pencil pushers and one lone artist who is doing the web design, banner art, and music score for some reason all for a nickel.

@@rexs.5188 Artists or any creative have the uncanny ability to expose that which those in power want to be hidden. Remember that the Shakespearean muse is the one saying the truth and exposing the ridiculousness of the situation.

Not enough comp sci programs mandate an ethics course. Mine did, and it was very eye opening. What was more eye opening though, was to see the reactions of my classmates- most would have never even considered the ethical concerns.

@@Theroha AI should automate both

This makes me so sad to read. Us in the west need to do a MUCH better job at recognizing the effects of our consumption and how our imperialism and colonialism has impacted your country and others like it. It's such bullshit, but know there are people all around the world hoping, praying, and taking action to fight for your liberation. Stay strong and much love

The problem is, if everyone walking through the penis detection machine makes their own selection, the very point of the machine -- preventing people smuggling dangerous items on board airplanes -- becomes moot. At that point, you might as well chuck out the machine. Then what are we back to? Racial profiling in airport security? This is the "tradeoffs" problem Abigail explicates with her hypothetical about the college admissions AI: to make the machine truly fair to people, you must eliminate or at least undermine its fitness for its intended purpose.

@@joshualavender well, how likely is people smuggling things into airplanes in the first place?

@@joshualavender I also had thought about that and was reaching the same conclusion as you. But then it sounds like the trans-panic on sports or gender quotas, as in "what if a cis man just declares he is a trans woman?" Maybe some kind of pre-registration integrated with some government system so the line at the airport gets your fingerprint and then draws the relevant information (like name changes, surgeries, etc.)...

TSA and other airport security systems fail the vast, vast majority of the time in discovering terrorists in the first place. Airport "security" for the mostpart is security theatre that does not actually do anything to stop attacks.@@joshualavender

@@L83467 That is an unfortunately impossible question to properly answer due to a lack of data publicly available. The best info I can personally find, very low quality and light on the ground though it is, suggests a few dozen drug mules are caught using these methods worldwide per day.

Philosophy Tube is an idiot, who either exemplifies why modern philosophy is so useless, or doesn't warrant the name. Water is often said to be a human right. Yet, the access to water requires monumental manpower and complexity. Artists would happily tout that they are entitled to water rights, correct? Yet, by contrast, access to AI Generation could be categorized as a human right under article 19 and 27 (Freedom of expression, and Right of cultural participation), yet the same artists touting their right to water are the same first ones wanting to ban access to AI Generation for the very workers who provide artists the comfort and luxury of being artists. As such, "There is no ethical access to water under any system" might be more precise.

muh capitalism!!! communism so goood!!!! i cant wait to be an artist under communism! what do you mean i have to work in the sewers???

@@justaweeb14688 communism is when sewers

Then the problem is with capitalism, not AI

​@@justaweeb14688do you wanna point out to me just one example of a communist country making it common practice to assign jobs to people rather than letting people decide what job they want? Or of a serious socialist thinker advocating for that? Also, like, do you think that people can just be an artist now, without taking on a day job or side hustle? Because the starving artist is a meme for a reason.

Lots of large scale computing is completely unrelated to AI or machine learning though. If you render the CGI for a movie, that's large scale but not AI/ML - the computers are just a tool controlled by the 3D artists. If you run a climate simulation, that's large scale but not AI/ML - the computers are just exploring the mathematical consequences of scientific facts. If you mine bitcoin, that's large scale but not AI/ML - the computers are just wasting energy in performing computations that the game called blockchain demands.

You forget about agent AI tho

I disagree, yes AI is a type of large scale computing, but this is just hitting on every square is a rectangle but not every rectangle is a square. There really is no conclusion to this video at all, and it doesn't get into why AI systems have to be developed. This is entirely unactionable, and basically has a couple of references to only a couple of papers. It's also conspiratorial about people like Sam Altman. If you're already into "workers of the world unite" type stuff then sure, you can get the dog whistles, but as a video on AI itself it is extremely short-sighted. Almost all of our dilemmas stem from globalization as was briefly touched on in this video. I don't think its shocking that the greatest expansion in workers rights and conditions happened during and post-great depression followed by the Cold War. When countries are isolated and can only rely on their own people, AND those people have a viable alternative to turn to in the form of a competing country, that's when the powers in your country must compromise and improve the lives of workers.

​@@HeavyMetalorRockfan9 "There really is no conclusion to this video at all, and it doesn't get into why AI systems have to be developed." Probably because the creator doesn't believe AI systems HAVE to be developed. It's likely they WILL be developed. But the video isn't about why we should or should not develop AI, it's about the dangers of seeing AI as separate from the people who create what goes into it, and how it obfuscates the role of the people who actually create what goes into it. "If you're already into "workers of the world unite" type stuff then sure, you can get the dog whistles, but as a video on AI itself it is extremely short-sighted." There's nothing dog whistley here, it's very explicitly coming from a socialist perspective, from an explicitly socialist creator. And you say there's nothing actionable but... Understanding the dynamics between capital and labor, understanding which side of the divide you are on, and advocating for that side, that's actionable. If you're looking for something actionable on AI that isn't actionable on something else, then yes, there's nothing actionable on AI specifically... Because the point of the video is to address the way that AI is often presented as separate from everything around it, and that AIs are not simply another product of human society.

The main value I've found, particuarly with text based models, has been when trying to brainstorm ideas, especially worldbuilding research for scifi/fantasy. For example, for a scifi story, I wanted to find a star system that wasn't particularly well known, that was a binary star system and had planets (or might have planets) that would be of an adequate size for life, but that we have too little data on to know for sure. I was able to get recommendations for various possible star systems, then ask followup questions to see what the conditions of that star system would be and how it would affect the planets in the system. This gave me enough data to decide if any of them would work for the story I had in mind and the world I wanted to create. The reason this worked for me is 1. I could double check the information for accuracy if needed, and 2. Fiction doesn't have to be realistic, it just has to sound plausible, so inaccuracies were unlikely to cause major problems for me. I'd be terrified to use the same method for something with real world consequences. Like you said, it can be great at assisting, but without someone who knows what they're doing guiding it and interpreting/checking the outputs, it's a mess.

This! I've been working with it more and more. Every real question I ask of it, I have to fact check, because it's wrong more than I am, and that says something! But it's great to get started on a project with a GPT like ChatGPT. It can help me get started, or get over a roadblock, whether I'm writing a story, doing some research, or building an application. I asked it to write me a super simple application with a library I didn't know, and it gave me something that almost worked but didn't quite, but it gave me a base from which to launch my learning and develop further. I've got an "AI character" on my streams, with ChatGPT (well OpenAI GPT-3.5 more accurately) fueling its conversational and intent-interpreting features, and I think that that's a great use - as a silly toy. It stumbles often, but frankly, that can lead to hilarious content, you know?

But when we use this for our Bing searches, when we put it in a production line... that's a little bit less fault-and-bias tolerant, and that's bad.

I'm thinking a model should be used for what it is, a simplification of reality where you draw the attention to the big picture. ChatGPT is the state of the available documentation of the Internet. What can you conclude from that? Well, you can improve yourself above it. Be better than ChatGPT, be better than the average.

I agree on using AI as a tool. As an artist and a roleplayer, I do use AI to quickly generate character concepts because it's just not an efficient use of my time to spend hours of labor on a character I might not end up liking or using all that much. Having said that, I really wish that the companies creating these AIs would consider the rights of human artists and the work they put out. In its current state, I don't believe people should be able to make money off of AI-generated pieces. I think at best it should be a kickstarter for the human imagination, but it cannot replace the heart and soul and little imperfections that you see in human art. That's why I still commission human artists and always will.

can you find a way to weave that in?

"welcome to the seminar. Today we'll be talking about social network analysis, dynamical systems, community ecology in the wild, and what you can do about sexism"

@@lancewalker2595 Hiring and examainations of work quality for rasies and advancement should be done anomomously.

​@@lancewalker2595 Why ask them what they actually want done if you're just going to ignore it? Like someone says that hiring, raises, and advancement should be done anonymously so it's as close to purely meritocratic as possible, and you just respond that actually they don't want the thing they just said they want, because you've got assumptions about what they REALLY think. Ignoring the fact that it's not even the same person.

@@lancewalker2595 I'd suggest asking the people who are directly affected by the problems where they think the issues lie, but you're hardly an honest interlocutor the way you carry on from this point. "Positive discrimination"? Risible.

Im sorry :( 💛

Binder?

Oh the troubles... 🥱

So sorry you had to go through that 😓

​@@mememdetameBinders are items of clothing designed for flattening the chest (which helps with dysphoria)

I fkn choked on that line and had to rewind to catch what I'd missed after!

And the way she delivered it like a throwaway line! 💀

Yes!! Thank you!

Yes! this is a phenomenon known as function creep: "In an AI context, the deployment of AI beyond its originally specified, explicit and legitimate purposes can lead to function creep as well as exacerbate security incidents. For example, AI systems intended for specific crime prevention goals might gradually be repurposed for unwarranted surveillance activities not originally considered." (from a 2020 paper by Stefano Fantin and Plixavra Vogiatzoglou). You get stuff like anxiety-moderating systems being repurposed into shit lie detectors, etc.

i'm in the same place. sometimes i can't help but feel like humanity can't be trusted with technology AT ALL, and that the only "ethical" thing to do at this point is just refuse to participate in society and run screaming into the woods 😬

@@imlxh7126 Reject modernity, embrace screaming in the woods

It's that old meme. "We built a machine that tightens bolts twice as well!" "Cool, do our hours get halved? Or do we make products that are twice as good?" "Half of you are fired to double our profit margins. The other half, get back to work."

Though making one's identity based on race rather than nationality doesn't sound like an improvement.

@@greywolf7577 Probably not. Although I'd argue that it is also not necessarily worse. Both, "race" and nationality, are social constructs and therefore pretty arbitrary categories. So who's to say which category is a better basis for an individual's identity? Also, to be fair, as a member of an ethnic minority, you don't decide what your "racial identity" is or how important this identity is in your interactions with your environment, the world around you decides that for you.

I don't think unemploying someone else is the problem that's exactly being pointed out here. Its more the distribution of wealth itself. The main issue being taken with really anything unemploying others is that it siphons money back into the select few who have the most power. I don't think we'd want to go back in time and stop trains from being invented just because the previous people who transported goods will lose their jobs.

Capitalism is the only ethical system. Without private property there is no morality. If you can't own anything then you can;t make any ethical decision. There's a reason why human do better the more markets and private property are embraced.

we should unemploy as many people as possible, so that people can stop working, or work in actual socially valuable jobs instead of artifically employing people even though we have an automated solution.

​@@CiudadanosdeBien The point is not to find a way to employ everyone with other menial tasks that existing technology already does. Menial tasks that no one wants to do in the first place. The point is to free people from wage labor. Give them the freedom to choose how they spend their time and labor without forcing them into servitude under the threat of homelessness, destitution and starvation. Make technology work for us and not the other way around.

@@ret2pop This will require implementing a Universal Basic Income _first_, because otherwise those people can't actually stop working or they'll starve, leading to de facto slavery at best. But even if we manage to get UBI through, it will be constantly under attack from the right wing since it's fundamentally against the idea of a stratified society which is the core of right wing idelogy. It's capitalism itself and even more generally the idea of hierarchy - specifically, the division between the rich, who are allowed to profit without actually doing anything useful, and the poor, who have to earn every single penny through hard work and, if such work is unavailable, artificially produced busywork - that's the problem, and quickly becoming a fatal one. I wonder if that's the actual Great Filter: a primitive society becomes hierarchical because that's an efficient way to organize military power so any tribe which does that forces its neighbours to do so as well, and by the time technology advances to the point where society has to give up hierarchy to survive its too deeply entrenched and the whole thing collapses into a few remaining plutocrats ruling over dead but automated ruins, dying off one by one.

Thank you, I'm really glad you like it :)

It should replace artists.

@@charlesc3734 why?

@@charlesc3734 Imagine being this cringe

@@charlesc3734I hope they replace you first

I like the Office Space reference. One of best 99 movies.

Omg I’m gonna rewatch the video on a whole new level, thank you so much for pointing this out

@@laurenschirduan9080 fr i dont notice these things wtf its just funny hammer

Queue Sam Reich “It’s been there the whole time”

At first i thought it was gonna be a reference to the "hammerman" thing from the transhumanism video. Nope, just a good old capitalism smashing hammer.

Ah, I was wondering why the hammer was missing from that part or if I had simply failed to notice it.

it probaby helps retention, I´m certaintly not an expert but the double encoding of "hot damn that's an outfit." and "hot damn that's an argument" at least makes me remember the show abit more

Great art AND insightful philosophy, what's not to like? :D

You mean he.. it's a man

@@sadscientist9995 If you want to be a bigot, there are plenty of youtube channels for you. Why troll this one?

@@sadscientist9995 bruh just don’t bother right now let’s just focus on the content itself

Ooo, interesting! Thank you!

hit the gym bro

@@carlosandleon That's not how this works buddy.

@@nnnik3595 hahahahahahahahahahahaha. that is literally how it works. you are all delusional.

"i've tried 4 years now to claim medical malpractice and no one take me seriously :("

Yeah, there are a lot of ways this can misidentify cis people too, depending on what metrics the algorithm uses. Is it basing it on height? Cool, computer says short men and tall women don't exist! Is it basing it on the shape of the chest area? Cool, computer says the woman who got a mastectomy to treat her cancer is a man! Is it basing it on face shape? Cool, computer is a phrenologist now!

Honestly i wouldnt be surprised if the ceos of those companies are just so out of touch that they never considered us peons dont like having stuff stolen from us but its probably a mix of both

All the more since Arstotzka is portrayed as a Soviet-inspired Ruritania.

I don't know too much about how things are done irl but I had assumed it was implied that the "scanner" is just taking photos of them undressed, hence the contraband showing up and the optional nudity. I also don't remember there being any special condition for them? I thought that you were penalised for letting them through with a "mismatched" gender marker

@@spameron7575 It doesn't look like they're made to undress, as they're fully clothed immediately before and after the scanner activates. Otherwise the player would just tell them to strip, and there would be no need for the curtain.

@@FrozEnbyWolf150 I had assumed the curtain was so there was a degree of modesty, and that the violation of having those pictures taken was just part of the border. Also the fact that the pictures are handed to you as polaroids had me thinking it. Would it be ionising radiation used in scanners? It's the first other thing that comes to mind

Glory to Arstotzka!

AIs are not (currently) being considered as any form of replacement for Doctors. A real Doctor would still view anything medically relevant. The issue is indeed humans miss things! So AIs can be used to supplement them, not replace them. "What if people use AI to do this thing" is not really a point against AI when there is no plan to get AI to do such a thing. AI won't replace doctors, except maybe for simple cases where medical care probably isn't needed, as long as the AI is demonstrated to be on par with or better than human doctors for the task. Why worry that an AI might make a mistake when a human doctor would've been more likely to make one? Also, in the US doctors are expensive. People miss chronic diseases all the time because they don't want to go to a Doctor, either because they think it's not worth the cost or because they don't want to inconvenience said doctors. Imagine being able to just get your phone out, snap a picture of whatever lump or bruise you have, and the AI tells you if it thinks you need a doctor's visit. "But what if it misses something?" Well, you weren't going to go anyway so the AI won't have harmed you. The question is what if it doesn't? Then it's helped you.

honestly you made an AMAZING point because yu just summarized not only the problem with standard questionares you also added what we saw in her video about police and computer crime models bad data in, bad data out

sweet! man made horrors beyond comprehension!

oh, it's already a very distinct issue in existing experimental models, where the AI is much worse at detecting issues in people of color, because of the biased training data and worse healthcare for poc

except, ya know, people using WebMD and believing whatever the hell it tells them. . .

can I ask how you got into this field? Currently hoping to do the same myself, I am finishing an undergrad in philosophy and moving on to a masters in computer science. Any advice for the future?

Ooh, I did my undergrad in a CS/PHIL joint! So very similar! I think relationships with professors matter the most. The hardest thing about being a grad student (imo) is generally getting funded in a way that lets you research what you're interested in. Try to find professors that you like and that like you at other universities and then apply there. Doesn't hurt to reach out early to talk with them about the program and to have a little name recognition :) @@imogengreig2860

Except it's greedy capitalists doing this. I think I read this in "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism" or "Weapons of Math Destruction" by Cahty O'Neill.

you're awesome for donating $500

​@@eleanorsherry4620 Do you mean $5.00? $500 would be difficult for me to swing.

@@TheSinisterPorpoise1 Think they were talking to the original commentor - Diana America Rivero shows up often in livestreams and donates

The thing people tend to ignore about Sci Fi is that it isn't coming true because "oh wow, this person was a prophet or a genius or something!" but because "oh yeah, actually that's a pretty obvious exaggeration or allegory of what is and was already happening, maybe we should do something about that". Sci Fi has been described as a modern form of philosophical thought experiment - you take an idea and you exaggerate it to the fullest extent you can imagine, and your story then revolves around the discussion, dissection and debate around that idea which becomes more apparent from the exaggeration. Sci Fi about androids becomes discussion about the human body, brain and experience and how we currently view human bodies and experiences - this will usually come with discussion on how we view the _differences_ between human bodies and experiences and you naturally end up with discussions of race, disability, gender, age etc. The ones that end up "predicting" the future are usually the ones that stop to really engage with their topic rather than going for the obvious and unexamined take so there's more room for smouldering actors and cool tech causing cool explosions (which can be fun and isn't always mutually exclusive)

While I agree lithium is very dirty to produce, and it is squandered on unmaintainable, unrepairable, devices; I do not understand what that has to do with AI or the internet, neither of which are built or powered by lithium batteries.

​@@xericicityAI and the internet both require physical devices in order to exist at all. BOOM there's your connection. I'll bill you later.

​@@almishti And what physical devices are those exactly? Which are required to create, power, and operate AI and the internet. Lithium is mostly used for batteries when it comes to tech, and mass parallel processing farms, switching and routing units, server parks, they are all plugged in and do not use lithium batteries. No offence, but I am not willing to pay for technical services from people that think mobile phones and laptops are what powers AI or the internet.

There are other commodites too, Tantalum metal, used in capacitors that make a phone much more compact, is a conflict mineral. The working conditions in many parts of the supply chain are very poor.

​@@xericicity39:00 is where lithium is relevant to this video, Abi talks about it

That's me haha!

@PhilosophyTube hehe what a sweet thing to put so much time and thought into ! looking forward to more onomatopoeia and typographical expression ! know it is rad as hell and ur appreciated :)

Girl same! Go through the PDM, no peen detected (and also no tiddies I'm nonbinary), machine is like ??tf then they get the male agent to pat me down lol 🤦

It could be the computer or they just felt like groping you, airport security does whatever they want

She cant find another job?

​@@jokehu7115"they live in a very small town basically in the middle of nowhere because its what they can afford." I think it may be that they are in the middle of nowhere and can't afford much

@@twinnem7075 move to another town and research what earns the most and look for low rent seems fixable

@@twinnem7075 onlyfans?

Let's be real here: If it was Walmart, she was getting fired at some point anyway

Big up Chile.

It is slowly changing

I mostly agree, but I think we need to get away from the "right and wrong side of history" thinking because it implies linear historical progression which isn't true.

Mexican-American Electrical Engineering student here! I dont know about "right side of history", but I dont want to use my skills that will hurt people.

That reminds me of Project Cybersyn

Well that sucks. Am a designer for 5+ years and I can't believe it's already being talked about as a normal accepted thing when schooling's core purpose should be to teach and reinforce the fundamentals of design first. Y'know, teach the rules well before y'all go breakin em once you graduate. Where's the development of ideas (more than just the first 3 that come to mind) when a student can just ask AI to generate 20 versions of a logo? Will they even be equipped with the knowledge and skills to pick out the good ones ??? Geez... this is depressing to hear tbh.

@@elucified to be fair, we are encouraged to use it more as an idea visualizer than idea generator but i still feel shitty about it and like I’m betraying the people who’s lifeblood went into this. at my bachelors my teacher had real reverance and love for the art of typography and taught it with a passion. here, sketches and illustrations are trashy and kitschy while impersonal ai generated stuff is “visionary” and “inspiring”. it sucks so bad :(

I totally agree, but I also believe that the 'genie is out of the bottle' and we have to learn to live and work with AI. It's not going away. If anything, more and more of the software I use has it integrated now. The expert graphic designer knows what good design looks like and how to communicate information; they provide a value add beyond the AI. But with the ubiquity of AI everyone can claim to do it themselves and there will be floods of awful art and design coming from it :-( Smart phone cameras have done a similar thing to the old school skill of photographer.

When I was in my final year of graphic design school, someone used AI in most of their final design, and they were heralded as one of the best on the course. It feels so ironic we had an academic project on efficiency vs ethical design in second year and then a 180 in thought happens right before employment

There is plenty of AI that is helpful to creatives and their processes, i use a lot of it every single day as a motion designer. But this AI "boom" over the last few years has really disheartened me as a graphic designer because I think we're truly seeing how most people view creative works. They take creative professionals for granted CONSTANTLY, and so when we speak out about our works being used to train AI to essentially steal the small work that allows us our livelihood, we're often met with indifference from the majority of people. Because they do not appreciate the human element of our work. They only appreciate the final product. And if they can get a fuckin Temu version of my artwork for a fraction of the price, that's good enough for them.

Same! It feels like it's adjacent to gig work and under-employment (e.g. not enough hours to be fully employed and get benefits or overtime, so you have to work multiple jobs).

@@emilyrln Maybe an episode talking about those issues as well? That would certainly provide a lot of material. Still no idea if it'd work but I'd for sure be interested.

There kind of is a lot, but not necessarily useful to build an episode around as a lot of the discussion is economics rather than addressing the human element. There's a reason half of the poverty rights activists I interact with are wonks, they have to be to dissect what's going on in any meaningful manner, and the political discussions rarely address the human element adequately despite efforts to force pols and the economists they listen to to do so especially since some of the stuff pols rely on is outright lies.

There’s a great study by Harvard Business School called Hidden Workers: Untapped Talent. It goes into how applicant tracking system software causes at least 27 million Americans to be unemployed and sub employed. It disproportionately impacts us disabled people. Even though there’s almost always accommodations available for the jobs we apply for. 90% of the time it’s stupid formatting errors like having multiple columns that cause your resume to not parse correctly.

I'd like to see this too.

Yep. I tried working doing the data-labelling thing for a little bit, with the sincere desire of wanting to improve the algorithms. Instead I was constantly pinged for being "incorrect" in my labelling and denied pay as a result. Whenever I tried to appeal the decision I was ignored or hit with the brick wall of "aggregate data indicates" I had made a mistake. I have a grad degree in physics.

They're not 'genetic sex' buttons--the TSA schmuck at the screen is not blessed with the ability to karyotype people at a glance. It's a measure solely of how the schmuck in the seat with two buttons categorizes the person in front of them.

You could make a claim that the machines could be unbiased. However, the people behind the programming insert biases and the people pushing the button rely on and insert biases.

@kevinbarbard355 The programming is what runs the decision-making in the machines. Sure, machines aren't inherently biased, but what people are talking about here isn't the inherent nature of a machine, it's the decision-making capability. And that capability is given to machines by biased humans. Ergo, the machines are biased because humans are biased.

it is real work but a lot of people take it without a plan of what they will do in the future

I think it also confronts our human desire to feel special. That our creativity isn’t bestowed by gods. Other avenues of story creation are just as valid as our mind can create. I think the biggest issue is the destruction of capitalism, and the concept that we have to slave our lives away in order to feel purpose.

I've seen 'Going Stealth.' It assumes that it's oppressive for institutions to expect someone to self-identity as a person requiring an accommodation (as opposed to the institution anticipating your need). That's a really silly premise to write a book about.

Thank you for the recommendation

Going stealth was a very informative and eye-opening book delivered in an easily digestible format 11/10 would recommend

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@bambooblinds​​⁠ Ummm I think you may have misunderstood the premise, or at the very least are misrepresenting it. Trans people should not require "accommodation" - we should simply be able to BE, in the same way that cis people are. The idea that we pose a unique challenge to society is simply a result of our society doing a lot of discrimination based on colonialist and misogynistic views of gender. Given that the book also discusses the use of surveillance to enable differential treatment of people of different races and nationalities - entirely constructed categories - I think that it is misleading to present the book as just some whining about "uwu the state didn't anticipate my needs; I'm oppressed!". It's a deconstruction of how the state uses surveillance as a specific tool to both enable and justify oppression.

@@BambiTrout nope, i'm not misinterpreting anything. i'm just not buying the arguments that being trans is something other than a disability. really, i don't think anyone actually buys into that, although many go along to be polite or avoid making waves. you're right that comparisons are made to race and nationality, but those are bad analogies. those are cases where you're debating efficacy in having profilers designate signs of a security risk (or sometimes partial descriptions of a suspect) and how that should be balanced against unfairly discriminating against innocent people who belong to that category. the appropriate analogy for trans people would be more like someone with mobility issues needing special assistance or someone with an implant that will trigger metal detectors. it's a case of needing accommodations, like i originally said - and it's the responsibility of the individual to ask for it.

absolutely noticed that too! it's great to be given some perspective on the sheer mass of work that does into every aspect of production, but having it be done with the privacy of those who want it maintained makes it all the more enjoyable

The only solution then is to just pat down absolutely everyone again, these scans exist for a reason and we don't need another avenue for another war to start, there's already enough of those going on.

It's me!

I like to think of most technology is created by people throwing darts at a very precise target with no actual awareness of what is behind it.

Can't say I have had the same experience.

What a great point. And in this it becomes clear that at the end of the day, it's not the individual, little people we need to blame - it's neither humane nor productive to blame them. It's the oppressive systems we have in place, that's what we have to focus our efforts on and change.

@@GoVocaloiderWhat oppression?

@@austingaydos784 Try to learn to read first, son.

@@ng.tr.s.p.1254 I would really like to know what you mean, I don’t understand?

I mean, this is how fascism works. You do what I say, how I say or get fucked.

For reference, what would you consider Season 2?

Thx for reminding me that I can already watch this cuz I was waiting for it so I could go to bed when it's done 😂

"There is no ethical computation under capitalism." This could be my motto going forward.

Another argument on why I should spend my limited money on Nebula. Don't make this so difficult, I will break.. (^^)

) hey you dropped this closing parenthesis

Within that, what do you think about the point that ai may be seriously stunted by the climate crisis? Can militaries keep pumping money into it if it can't function due to physical realities? (I know this flattens a very complex question into a single paragraph 😅 but even something as simple as workers behind the scenes being unable to function due to heat stroke could hugely effect it)

There is a serious arms race happing with AI. I think is hard to avoid. But I do think we need to figure out to handle living in such a world. I honestly do not think we can stop it. (And the benefits might actually be worth it to, if we are being honest.) But like pretty much all technology, it is a double edge sword. We better figure the thing out. Develop new policy. Set up new norms. Honestly, we are actually still dealing with how we should set up the norms for IT society at larger. Most in the developed world did not start getting in to contact with computers until the 80s. And even then most did not own one. In the 90s, people started to go on the internet. Social media as we know it did not start to get traction after the millennium shift. So yes. We have not set up norms how to do this. How to build a far and safe IT society. If anything, exploitation is returning to what it was when industrialization was new, and we had no norms. I just hope we can adapt in time. In many ways I do not envy you AI safety researchers, since even if you do make a safe AI, can it really be safe when it is in the wrong hands? Like it is often today.

In a lot of conversations about AI, I notice we over and under estimate the competence of humans and AI (current and future) on different axes. Humans are also black boxes full of biases. Humans also launder their positions. Our brains do so much post-hoc justification of decisions which do not originate from reason. One interesting thing about AI is that we can measure and (to some extent) tune its biases. The tuning (training) is harder with humans. Having been the victim of human bias in healthcare, I think that in the narrow case of my personal medical journey, a well-tuned AI would likely have done better at diagnosing and treating me for my rarely-diagnosed condition. I would like to live in a world where AI was part of the diagnostic process. I would not like to live in a world where it was the only thing in the process, as you say. I share your concerns about AI in general. Neural networks with billions of parameters can find themselves in an absurd number of different states. Those states are not entirely reducible and there’s not enough time in the universe to play through every state and input and validate the output isn’t catastrophic. I don’t know how we can possibly have confidence that they will be well-behaved given that. We definitely don’t know how to be confident yet. Is it theoretically possible? Perhaps I’m not expert enough to understand what’s possible, but I also haven’t found an expert with a clear case for why it might be possible. Of course humans have the same problem. But humans are also slow and mortal. My concern with AI isn’t that it might be misaligned- humans are misaligned. My concern is that it will be misaligned and vastly more powerful. It can move faster than us, integrate its thinking with tools in ways we will never be able to do, hold more in working memory…

@@lkyuvsad For me, the black box issue is not a huge issue. Like you point out. Humans are in many ways also a black box. Even when you ask them to tell their reasoning, they might like, or more often not know what their reasoning really was. For me is more how they can be used. That they are that powerful tool. And is often more a case that a human can do the same, it just takes a lot longer for a human to do.

I think "AI extinction risk is a distraction" *is a distraction*. People want to see this unprecedented and horrifying problem through the lens of problems they already understand. The problems liberalism is designed to solve. AGI risk is not like that. These other problems are big and horrifying and almost intractable. They are not going to kill literally everyone on earth. Training data IS NOT ALWAYS PRODUCED BY HUMANS. I need to disabuse people of this misconception on a daily basis. Take AlphaGo Zero for example: it was given only the rules of Go and it trained itself with training data it produced itself until it produced strategies superior to the best ones the top human experts have come up with over the past thousand years or so - and it did it in about a day. It beat the best humans - after having only ever played itself. AGI on the cloud would not be dependent on a capitalist system to kill everyone. It need only hire a few task rabbits - or get access to improperly secured robotics in a lab somewhere, bootstrapping technologies including nanotech rapidly and bypassing physical constraints in ways the cleverest humans could not even have imagined. Say what you will about those who believe that these systems are so profoundly risky that we need to shut them down in a global moratorium. Go ahead and claim that shutting down training runs for systems larger than ChatGPT-4 is a distraction from the real problems. What you would be missing is that a moratorium *WOULD SOLVE OTHER PROBLEMS TOO*! Sam Altman is playing the role of someone concerned about AI safety - to get the government on his side. To allow him to keep doing what he's doing. As a strategy for regulatory capture. As Yudkowski and others point out, if he actually realized the extreme danger involved here he would be taking this problem with vastly more seriousness than he is. This frame of philosophy tube is saying: Look at how unaligned Capitalism is. Capitalism is the real problem. AI risk research is just AI "Doomerism" is just the shadow side of the AI utopianism which is just AI hype based on marketing from crypto scam artists. Except it's fucking not. Because like it or not artificial general intelligence is almost certain to be profoundly powerful, almost certain to come (I suspect in the next few decades) sooner or later, and almost certain to have goals misaligned with any human individual if we don't solve this fucking problem. We aren't ready for this, we don't know what we're doing, and we are all most likely going to die because of this. This is terrifying. I've spent most of my life learning about biotech and synthetic biology and have learned some pretty terrifying things. I've studied global factory farming and the conditions of slaughterhouses. I've studied the red market in China. This is far, far worse. There's a powerful temptation: think about other things, distract yourself with other problems that are easier, project onto others - as if they are the ones not prioritizing correctly, only look at things that can be well-described by the cognitive schema you're already used to using. Let me state this directly: Abigail is wrong. She is not seeing the real danger. She is not properly understanding the scale and severity of the problem and she is dismissing it as hype because it is too hard and alien and painful for her to accept. It's too extreme to be real. Absolutely everyone dying unless we solve this insanely hard problem? Where the fuck did that come from? Has the cosmos has gone mad? How can anything be so unimaginably dangerous? When the fuck did this become the universe I live in: in which so profoundly little hope can possibly be justified? Except that's exactly where we are: a universe in which we all just die like weeds in a blast radius unless we get our shit together fucking NOW. So blame the billionaires, blame the economy, blame capitalism, blame technology, blame marketing, blame the politicians, blame the fucking safety researchers for not blaming the right people and things: it won't make a good goddamn of difference unless we Solve The Fucking Problem. Ok? You want to wear extremely expensive bondage gear and complain about hype while you do it? Fantastic! But DO SOMETHING. I fear for the lives of everyone I have ever known. I fear the universe that comes. I know how bizarrely cruel and indifferent it can be. How fucking impossible its challenges can be. How utterly unforgiving and steep and hard and cold its costs. We ALL need to work on this now, now, now - for the sake of unborn persons and living persons and the possibility of the death of humanity for all of coming time. NOW!

It can even be hard for a liberal minded male to conceive. I’ve met so many females who identify as females to have as much breast tissue as males, and males who identify as males say they know they have the Seinfeld “moobs” (male boobs)… I hope Gen Z is bigger than this. We millennials missed the mark.

It doesn't just do it to trans people, either. Try being fat in an airport and you'll get pulled out for the patdown every single time.

Ya airport security is pne 9f the shiniest places about this. If u r Muslim u r "randomly stopped" of u don't fall into the "right body type" u r searched. It's security theater so it fouceses on things the establishment thinks are scary. Without u k any evidence that those things actually work or any tangible results. To this day the tsa never claimed to have stopped a terrorist attack. There is no direct link we can draw for any of these practices and actual safety

Abigail didn't mention that it gets worse than groping, you may be ordered to disrobe to prove it's just a penis and not a... honestly idk what they think it might be, a really weird bomb I guess?

I massively disagree, it’s largely occurring everwhere that more urban areas foster more collective values due to shared resources and space. A more urban america would be a more liberal one. Because the counterpoint is how conservative is most popular in rural areas and declines are seen with population density. A more naturey america produces more hunter gatherer mentalities.

A more urban America is a more Liberal one, but "liberal" is not the same thing as being socialist or progressive. Liberalism is just a softer version of republican ideology that has a kinder image to market it.

@@480darkshadow Sorry, I guess I got a little flowery in my speech there and wasn't clear-- I'm not trying to say that nature creates leftists or anything! And I also don't think urban living is opposed to environmentalism. (Or right wing ideologies, sadly.) What I meant was more general, actually. I think when we're talking to people who fall for AI marketing and things like it, they're very often people who have been completely alienated from labor-- both their own and, like, all the work that makes the world around them. And I think that learning about these things can be a valuable step toward class consciousness.