Honestly i dont think MK11 is bad i find MK1 really boring. The life out of this characters are out i cannot believe i paid for those game even preordered 🤦♀
the literall answer is because it was a carry over from Injustice 3 before it turned into MK1 its in the code named as "sidekicks" MK1 is just a bunch of hastily cobbled together things this is why they are playing catchup and are chasing thier tail its quite the spectacle to watch.
Straight up, the mk I've gone back to the most by a staggering landslide is mk9 because I love tag ladders so much. I could actually have fun playing it with my friends who weren't super skilled in it since it was co op. Even doing single player tag is so fun. That feature alone has kept 9 installed on my pc permanently.
I Think this kameo System was planned for injustice 3 but warner wants a mk cause it makes more money and in injustice with batman and robin as kameo it makes sense. Not in mk
That’s simply not true,if your reaction time is any decent you always beat the poker,if your opponent pokes just block,down 1 and take your turn. Pokes are so easily countered in this game
@sk8lifeXgr8life because that's all they can do. The low tiers are so riddled with gaps they can't press any advantage they have without risking losing to armor for attempting basic fighting game mechanics like pressure or jailing.
Tag team would have been a good idea, but even then, just as an extra mode. What NRS did instead is forcing this kameo crap into the one and only mode available.
@@alekid minimum effort in order to make the most amount of profit through games as a service. Is very clear that MK1 and NRS is tainted by WB Games high executives
Just watched rooflemonger's cover of the recent patch and bro called it a "significant patch" and the game is now "a more balanced game" and ends the video with "NoW gO pLaY sOmE mOrTaL kOmBaT". Bro sounds like a shill more and more every day. The comment section is absolutely laughable.
It was a really good game, NRS outdone themselves. Towards the end of its run, that god damn Alien ruined it competitively. But it's still a fun game to go back to.
u just countered alien with alien and had a alien-fest!!! crazy at the end konjurer alien seemed to be the strongest although upon release wasnt even a thought
The biggest thing that makes this game boring to me is that everyone does the same thing with each specific character. They use the same 1-2 strings, do the same 1-2 combos and have the same exact cameo/gameplan. Every Subzero is the same. Every Liu Kang is the same. Every Mileena is the same. Characters don't have enough depth or variety to do anything else. Everything has been figured out.
The cameos ruin it. There are more strings in combos but because the game is based around the cameos... They have to make sure that they always hit... In order to maximize damage or whatever. All of the characters feel... No so special.
At first I thought that Mk1 fixed the gameplay issues with MK11, but after watching competitive plays, I figured it out that not only Kameos limits the game, but overall they're limited options play and overall creativity and freedom of expression. This game is lame man.
Sometimes allowing too much freedom breaks a game. No game should allow you to have too much freedom because then it is no longer a game because it is basically a game with practically no rules and that's not technically a game.
I never realized how bad this situation was until my friend from work told me he bought Tekken 8 and hes never had so much fun. This guy us the most hardcore MK fan Ive ever seen and he says he uninstalled it and plays Tekken 8 all day every day.
Im saying this since the game released. Its a stupid poke/throw/chip damage simulator that is way too safe with everything and leads to boring asf matches. to watch AND play. You cant even punish people for doing unsafe stuff because effing KAMEO making it safe every single time. And by them time you can even counter or punish something, you wanna go HAM with your nice combos to do damage, guess what happens?! BREAKER READY AGAIN! EXACTLY! Its such a damn annoying gameplay loop, never played anything worse fighting game wise. Yes, even MK11 was more enjoyable! 100%.
Firstly,You can counter pokes with blocking and then doing down 1 to get your turn. Secondly throws don’t do 30% for guessing wrong anymore and thirdly I do agree with the chip dmg thing but the devs seem to have finally heard us,they nerfed Stryker bombs and cyrax in the beginning. This is a good sign
Let's start by saying NRS doesn't know how fighting games work. They were successful with some like 9 or X, but those were pretty lucky. They have trouble with what should be minus, what should be plus, frame advantage, blockstun, hitstun, even hitboxes... If I'm not mistaken, they use two-dimensional silhouettes instead of geometrical boxes. Even the poking that Brady mentioned. Poking should be fast. Everytime someone pokes, either if it hit or if it was blocked, the gameplay pauses for a second. It's not dynamic. Now imagine these guys doing something so complex like an assist game.
They shouldn't have done them. Assist fighters are something that require a different style of gameplay that they just don't feel comfortable committing to. Assight fighters are over the top, fast, and aren't as casual friendly.
I knew this franchise was done after release of mk11. I got my refund after a week. When mk1 was announced am like nah am good now look at it, just problem after another
Genuine question because I only got around to 11 after it was out for a while, what were your major gripes with it? I didn't like it as much as 9, but for me I was more into it than X and 1.
How the hell does M1K have less depth than MK1 (i refuse to refer to this game as mk1). Also the whole "it's supposed to be an assist game" argument is stupid: assists are an ADDITION to a game that is supposed to have a good fundation in the first place, not a gimmick to which the game revolves around. The devs should have made a MK game before making an assist game
All most wanted was MK9's MK-iness and roster; MKX's gameplay and atmosphere; MK11's content and visuals; some decent mini-games and a tag play mode; all mashed together and refined for the modern day... Instead, NRS re-invented the hexagonal wheel, slapped it on a rickshaw, and called it a "Lamborghini" (and priced it accordingly). It's almost like the games they create are brainstormed inside a hermetically sealed vacuum; with the only outside influence being from terminal EGS/DEI afflicted boardrooms and do-or-die deadlines... That is the _only_ one can logically qualify how MK1 turned out.
or you start saying "beating a dead horse", we talk about it because we loved this game dude and we don't want this to rot in mediocrity dude and you are right my man I think NRS is gonna go ahead with Injustice 3 I guess may be
Good video. The poke meta needs to be thrown out. It’s boring and not fun. Especially in this game where it’s the same exact strat for each character and u see no variation in playstyle at all between any match. Its such a low skill ceiling
You should bring someone on that finds the game fun so you can debate until you’re blue in the face. cause unlike 11, much more people enjoy it than not
I do. These guys are clowns and milk you guys every day for views talkin about the same crap every video. U really watching these guys make hr long videos a day regurgitating the same crap for clicks. Fan boys are weird Mk1 has issues for sure but to the level these guys make it ? Its a joke. Move on already
Seriously, I think it's lots of fun. If you're an MK fan, you should be able to get your fix here. The problem is the overall product is so bad, those voices will always be drown out by people venting their frustrations with their skill set. I've been trying to get to the bottom of all this. I think, as a Baraka main, Baraka is really fun to play in this game! Super satisfying. Tom is a Sub Zero main - that says a lot about his opinion of the overall game, which does mean the game has flaws! Sub Zero sucks in this game, and one of this games flaws is I haven't found much incentive to learn anyone other than Baraka. The game has problems. Nobody is denying it! However, it generally averages an 8 outta 10 in professional reviews, which to me implies a game is good enough, but not great. And that's totally fair! I think an 8 outta 10 is right where it belongs. A far cry from the travesty being preached on this channel. Tom has been doing this for months. His criticisms are insanely excessive - but again, clearly Tom dedicated his life to this franchise, so he got burned the worst.. Whereas with me, MK1 is another welcome item on the menu for fighting games. Tastes good to me!
I haven't played MK since the beginning of MK11 and I've never been very good at any game in the series, so could someone fill me in on what changes have been made that has resulted in this uninteresting meta? Is it simply that the tools characters would have to crack open defences are just too risky/too ineffective to be used? Because I am a little confused as to why any fighting game would have it such that my pressure against a cornered opponent is 4 pokes in sequence (unless one of those was a frame trap and I just don't realise?) I thought Jacqui Briggs had some pretty insane pressure and mind-games in MK11, did they take that away in patches as well?
In the same way that Scorpion might think of Quan Chi or Sub Zero throughout the day - with a burning seething hatred. Same for me tbh. Didn't even buy this trash and I still feel cheated.
He's turned toxic for clicks. He's quickly reaching Fate level. I'm seriously contemplating quitting YT since have of the VG content creators have become toxic for views. It's a trend that's getting out of hand....SMH
and i thought facebook was bad with pokes XD. i saw in one of ur other videos where it was a scorpion that had a baraka in the corner and what did that scorpion do? back dash all the way to almost corner himself but before he reached the corner, finally throw out a special move to do a full combo. the scorpion player did that many times, not just once too. i also dont like how fast the assist meter refills back up. oh, i used all my assists meter? well i guess i'll stall till a bit and try to get a bigger combo when i finally mix up my opponent.
I finally got to play this on my little brother's PC over the holidays. I was SURPISED by how BORED I was with the Story Mode and the overall game. Mortal Kombat is on life support
I just feel like NRS proved they don’t care about this game as much as their fans thought. the endless microtransactions and LAZY cosmetics and the half baked state the game was released in proves that NRS just wanted to make a quick cash grab imo
All NRS Had to do was give us MK11 graphics but improve on them & give us MKX’s combos & gameplay with the run button. That’s how I anticipated MK12 was going to be. When I saw they were trying something new with the kameos that’s when I knew this game was gonna be 🚮
Cant believe there’s anyone still defending this pile of garbage. Just let the poor game die already so NRS can get their shit together and give us a real game in like 2-3 years or something
I'm of the opinion for you Tom to have a debate with opposing sides. You're very passionate on critiquing the flaws of the game, and I'd be very interested in seeing you on a call with someone who is very loyal to the game. It would make some good conversation points, and who knows, both of you might find a common ground.
only pp loyal to this game or loves it passionately would be a person who 1st game is mk1...and that person doesn't deserve a debate with the grandmaster
@@MillzSzn There's a lot of loyalists for this game, who are adept in other fighting games for sure. I wouldnt knock this idea though, I feel like it would be a good conversation at the very least.
Here’s my thing on mk1. Kameos didn’t ruin the game. It is the gameplay design implemented into a “tag fighter” style gameplay. Nrs games hasn’t changed with the way you like an opponent. We’re watching the same approach to an opponent since mk9 so of course it is boring. Also the aesthetic can only go so far. Look at sf and tekken how beautiful the spark and special effects look like. Mk still has the same old design. Let’s be honest if the aesthetics and instead of Kameos we actually had a tag system similar to mk9 this game would’ve been godlike.
Tom u need to see this!!! There is key issue you probably never knew about with NRS's top level people. From Ed boon to Mike boon and all of the developers/managers. NRS's senior people are all inexperienced game devs. They lacked advanced game dev knowledge when it came to 3D graphics and desing. When MK4 released. Ed Boon explained to game pro magazine about how difficult it is to do 3D programming, and that it's a huge learning curve for their team. He emphasized that everything from animations to gameplay was a challange for them. Remember, their dev team previously took 2D pictures and turned it into a game. They had no concepts of movement or animation. My point is that these people never really learned proper high quality game development skills. They learned what they understood and recycled that over and over. You can see it in every game, they don't understand the deep level of programming as other game devs when it comes to animation, gameplay, networking, fighting game philosophy. I can keep going MK1 has the same movement/feel and awkward hit mechanics as MK Deadly Alliance and MK Armageddon
Really don’t like how they nerfed d1 pokes to the ground, I remember in mkx even if you got a mini launcher from the ground you could pop in SEVERAL d1’s to extend the combo before you ended with a finisher. MK11 they tried to get rid of it but some characters still had good d1’s Jade needed them to get optimal corner combos. Now you literally get PUNISHED for doing a d1. It’s almost like they are PUNISHING us for being legacy players 🤡
The fact MK1 has 4 versions of in game currency is ridiculous. The kamoes would be better suited as playable characters even if they don’t play part in the main story.
You nailed it. I've been saying this after month 1 of mortal Kombat 1. Another issue I have is that, everything is so juggle based that you can't get good damage on the ground unlike mk11 or 10. I know that mortal Kombat is a juggle style 2D fighter, but you had to work for that juggle and that combo. When every combo from every character in MK1 is poke, poke, launch, crazy damage. Every fight is practically the same and is so boring to watch. Then you add on to that all the crazy microtransactions and the lack of modes it's ridiculous. On the flip side you've got games like Tekken 8 and Street fighter 6 who's got mechanics that keep me guessing till the end every time I watch anybody playing it. I love mortal Kombat, but you couldn't convince me to buy mortal Kombat 1 with how the mechanics are.
I went for a boxing sparring last night and I tried poking like mortal kombat for fun, and Jin Kazama fighting stance too, I was quickly reminded that we are sparring in the real world XD
It's funny noticing there's barely any pushback for pokes after playing SF6. The pressure in SF6 is real, but you're also pushed back all the way to china. To me it feels fair and good to watch
As a non-NRS Tekken player I would have definitely appreciated you showing footage and examples of what interesting corner games look like. As a Tekken player, getting someone to a wall and then poking them sounds about right, that is what you do in Tekken as well, try to throw out pokes to either keep your opponent or bait them into whiffing and then wall splatting them with a move. There is more to the wall game of course and different characters have different types of wall games, but it nonetheless does include pokes. It is also a 3D game so the oponent does have the option of stepping off the wall and you have options to punish them doing that.
Notice how at the end of your comment you stated you had "options"? The problem with MK1 is those options are very limited creating a bland atmosphere. These options you speak of make Tekken a more fun experience just off of that alone. Its either counter a poke with another poke or mix a few strings at the risk of getting blown up because of a poke. Either way, sadly Tom is right about the gameplay being boring.
@@Enigma830 And I believe Tom of course! But I just wished to have seen some examples from other 2D fighters, as I am not too familiar with them. I know in SF6 corner game is just throw loops, or maybe I am misunderstanding that?
I wanted to come back to MK after being away from the series since Deception. I played MK X at Job Corps and didn't like how variations gave you an illusion of choice and never bought the game. So I waited until Mk 11 didn't like that either and how badly they treat their DLC characters like Robocop and terminator. Same song and dance Mk 1 trailer came out and knew that kameos was going to be half baked since I played UMVC3 and compared the two games system since they have similar mechanics. What made me angry was the redesigns and how much they push non MK characters as DLC and expects you pay for 70 dollars for the Beta(should be free btw since Bandai does it and the same with Capcom).
U MISSED OUT ON MKX!!! 😲😲😲 lets say u like Kano but u want to zone, cybernetic U want command throws/grappler commando u want mix, cutthroat alll the variations made the characters feel unique and it added depth, some variations normals changed, some had specific combos string, u add that with the variation specific special moves its so fun to lab
I watched online tournaments all the time, rewatched streams as background noise, and loved combo videos. I couldnt have been more excited after jumping on MK11 late. I havent played this since Season 2
First ever MK I didn’t buy at launch and still haven’t. Didn’t like the new story, hated majority of the character redesigns, didn’t like the idea of the Kameos etc I still play MK Deception on my 360 it’s backwards compatible Still so fun today, so much kontent. So fun unlocking skins and other stuff in the krypt instead of being paid dlc
@@bruhmoment2172 how did you deduce that from my comment? Lol Mk1 is trash and an insult to true MK fans Never claimed to be good, I just don’t like shit games with ass character designs.
I thought strike throw was what has been happening since Injustice 2 provided you can wade through all the fireballs or in the case of Injustice 2, whatever broken illogical or incomplete coding that has created a random exploit someone wants to exploit
I don't think kameos should be usable at the end of a blocked string, instead they should be used specifically and only in a free moving state and to extend combos that you actually landed. No player should be rewarded for failure in the form of frame advantage when it should clearly be the other person's turn.
Hello Tom, I'm pretty new to fighting games, I discovered you when I wanted to learn Sub Zero as a main. I watched your 40 minute guide (Dashfight) and was amazed at how you explained it for beginners like me. I learned more about Sub in this guide than five videos combined from other content creators. My motivation was/is that I want to be good at a genre I'm not familiar with. I mainly play competitive Counter-Strike and have more or less 5000 hours. I was really hoping that by following your channel I can accumulate more in depth knowledge and improve myself. But unfortunately the content I've been seeing from you lately isn't what I expected, because it seems like you've made it your mission to badmouth the game. Criticism is important but in your last 10 videos alone you just badmouth MK1 and there seems to be no end to it. I may not be an expert on fighting games but I see that this channel has become all about badmouthing. I will unfollow you for now but will come back from time to time to see if you are making content that appeals to me again. Until then I wish you and your community all the best.
I mean whats the expectation here? That he makes videos where he goes deeper into mechanics of a game that he is clearly (and rightfully so) disappointed in?
It’s almost like fighting games should never be fully balanced because if they really WERE, there would be no power at all and nothing would be fun anymore
But this isn't necessarily a balanced game. You can have a balance game where things feel different amongst each character. Like this character may be much slower than other characters but it has a lot of strength if not range ect. One can make a fun balance game. There's a difference between a balanced game and a waterdown game.
Maximillian got mad at me when he said he felt bad for Nrs and I responded saying that Nrs gave him the slow gameplay he doesn’t like the ugly character designs the invasions mode. He responded to me saying you think wb doesn’t have a hand In gameplay. I said wb knows nothing about gameplay Nrs designed everything wb just wants to be able to monetize it.
It's really amusing seeing people complain about the same thing I was making memes about half a decade ago (D1's / shin jabs); only to be dismissed as a "scrub" or "hater". O, how sweet it is to watch people wake up when it's all already too late 🤩🍿
Ok some things you say I’m with but subs offense is not just pokes in the corner Bryan just had a brain fart because he knows if mileena gets block he’s done or if he ice clones he could also be done and that’s why he was able to do so many pokes which is negative on block btw so after 1 it’s not his turn but he’s reading that Javier will stuff the 2 options he had in his head and decided not to go for them it’s not cause all sub can do is poke once he got you cornered lol
Kameos completely made me pass on mk 1 Kameos in general is just a bad idea but the fact they made some character favourites ONLY kameos and didn’t give them a roster spot (Kano, Sonya, Stryker, tremor and etc) was a really dumb move Characters should’ve been added as main roster fighters and the kameos should’ve been older versions of characters. Ex: 90s mk Sonya, 90s liu kang, and etc
Take a shot every time you hear “Poke”! I agree with you Tom. I got bored of this game 1-2 Months after the release. You can instinctively feel that bad Mechanics of this game, especially after playing SF6 and Tekken 8. Those games are miles ahead of MK1 despite the amazing graphics. Very sad. I wasted $109 😢. I mainly play SF 6 now and have been more satisfied.
I hear so many people say that "cameos ruined this game" and that they want a cameo free mode and I don't think you guys realize how bad that would actually be, the cameos make this game and we all know the characters are watered down but I don't think you guys know just how watered down they are cause a mode without the kameos I genuinely believe would open more people's eyes to just how bad this game is
When the idea of Kameos was announced, I thought it would be interesting, but the way it was implemented is definitely different than every other mk game. Without kameos, every character would be unusable. Their combos would be drastically reduced and not pleasing. People gotta use their damn heads and either play the game or just don’t play at all. Complaining ain’t gonna work
Ive been saying in my own videos recently, they need to stop thinking about characters or certain archetypes being too annoying fight against. I PROMISE imma hate every character that isnt my own either way lmao. But if NRS makes all the characters/kameos really unique and fun to play, then I will put up with all the annoying shit because I enjoy playing MY character so much
MKX, in retrospect, is far and away the pinnacle of NRS's take on MK. Granted, viewed through the prism of nostalgia, MK9 was somewhat more MK-y than MKX -- especially, if you disregard the quality of / competitiveness of gameplay, and how poor earlier games were in said department. However, MKX is perfectly playable right now (it's the only MK I go back to and keep installed, and that is still fun to play), and looks better with each iteration that succeeded it... The latter reality being the most scathing condemnation of NRS and what it's done with the franchise since.
I never really seen someone do this while having their opponent in the corner Subs playing like he is in the corner is this common to fight people like the sub zero
yall gotta be tripping if you think the gameplay itself and the combos are watered down, this is the most fun I've had with MK in a while but I just hate the skins and shoddy business stuffs going on @WB
Yeah, the gameplay itself ain’t that bad. I been playing since launch and it’s honestly not that bad as people say. Yes, the game has frequent repetitions that can be annoying, such as new content that are plain dumpster fires, repetitive annoying playstyles such as poking and grabbing 24/7, but I’m enjoying this game more than I did in mk11 and mkx
Once I’ve recognized they didn’t add any new original characters and made some og characters unplayable ie: Jax and Sonya. That kind set the tone for this game.
The thing is the gameplay COULD be great but it just gets repetitive so fast. I feel like every online player plays characters exactly the same. There’s no layers to characters. Mk11 had the potential to be so much better than it was gameplay wise but the character variation system made no sense. There’s nothing in this game that makes me want to keep coming back for more. It’s either kasual mode or Kombat league and that’s it lol.
Absolutely no love or attention to detail went into developing this game. Check out what happens in MK1 when your character stands still for a while. Absolutely nothing. Now take a look at other fighting games, even previous NRS games, what happens if you stand still for a while. The characters in other games (even other NRS games) have these cool idle animations that they do if you stand still for a bit. Not MK1. The character just stands there no matter how long you remain idle. NRS couldn't even be bothered to give the characters in this game a idle animation. That's how little passion they had when making this game.
I can't believe that pro level footage of the dream mk fight between scorpion and sub zero is so lackluster. You figure once you get cornered you would die no overheads to break that? No unlockable sub move? Super sad to see
