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HG Kalakantha Das - Unity in Diversity - The need for Vaishnavi Diksha Gurus in the West 

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In this interview, HG Kalakantha Dasa (disciple of Srila Prabhupada), one of the leaders of ISKCON, outlines the need for Vaisnavi Diksha Gurus in the West and why it is of vital importance to the diversification of Western ISKCON temples.
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Комментарии : 24   
@jackieparcell4620
@jackieparcell4620 8 месяцев назад
WONDERFUL TALK! love it!
@nityangidevidasi336
@nityangidevidasi336 Год назад
Such a nice Class. Thanks a lot. Haribol
@krikpat3361
@krikpat3361 Год назад
Absolutely amazing interview, wonderfully drafted and so easy to understand
@samspade2657
@samspade2657 Год назад
Did you understand that it is bogus? If not you didn't understand.
@Maitreyaaaa
@Maitreyaaaa Год назад
Sunīti, however, being a woman, and specifically his mother, could not become Dhruva Mahārāja's dīkṣā-guru. SB 4.12.32 purport
@user-wp4jk2or8w
@user-wp4jk2or8w Год назад
I visited the Atlanta temple recently for a festival, I was the only white person there.
@mytruth3777
@mytruth3777 4 месяца назад
That is a sad state of affairs
@nityangidevidasi336
@nityangidevidasi336 Год назад
From Spain
@Maitreyaaaa
@Maitreyaaaa Год назад
A woman is not supposed to take sannyāsa. So-called spiritual societies concocted in modern times give sannyāsa even to women, although there is no sanction in the Vedic literature for a woman's accepting sannyāsa. S.B. 3.24.40 purport
@sankarsanadas3026
@sankarsanadas3026 Год назад
While Srila Prabhupada encouraged and engaged women In varieties of services, for some reason he didn’t appoint them into leadership positions such as temple presidents, GBCs, or BBT trustees. This can’t be regarded as an oversight. The society certainly expanded well enough for another innovation of expanding women’s roles across the board. There are philosophical reasons in sastra as well as in Prabhupada’s purports which can explain why Prabhupada didn’t appoint women in leadership roles. The lack of recognition of such evidence and quickness to dismiss the validity of any tangible opposing evidence in this regard is disconcerting. The general conclusion presented in this interview is gender bias which is inaccurate and stigmatizing. There are videos and books which logically present evidence for the other side. I agree westerners will see lack of women leadership as gender bias because that is all they are capable of seeing. A solution for such perceptions is recognition and promotion of siksa gurus being equally as relevant as diksa gurus, which is philosophically supported. Women can be primary gurus of candidates as siksa gurus while the candidates can receive formal diksa from a male guru. Although feasible that is somehow regarded as unacceptable. According to Narada Pancaratra only fully liberated women on the bhava stage or above can be initiating gurus. That can be linked to why Prabhupada said, “not so many” and “in a very special case”, such as the few he mentioned like Jahnava Ma, the wife of Lord Nityananda. Neglect of such a requirement can turn ISKCON into an apasampradaya. In any event there is substantial support for keeping the status quo according to sastra and by what Prabhupada actually did to not implement women diksa gurus. The loosely espoused gender bias charge against those not in agreement with women diksa gurus is just plain inconsiderate.
@ASTRUM502
@ASTRUM502 Год назад
One telling thing to me, is when Prabhupada made his list of 11 Ritviks to initiate on his behalf, not a single one was a woman. Had even one been, then we would have had FDG from the start. But the saddest thing is Prabhupada never authorized any successor Diksha Gurus at all. The Diksha Gurus by vote is totally made up and without any support.
@michelledynamite69
@michelledynamite69 Год назад
Nice interview. It’s confusing though that Srila Prabhupada wished all his disciples to become initiating gurus but also apparently said regarding women “some but not many”. Why is there emphasis on “some but not many”? Why only some? Additionally, why this distinction only for women or is it also “some but not many” for men? If not, it’s still discriminatory on its face. What if there are MANY qualified vaishnavis? If anti discrimination is important, please elaborate on the reasoning behind this distinction.
@iskconunityindiversity
@iskconunityindiversity Год назад
Hare Kṛṣṇa Mirabai, Thank you for the question. "Some not many" does not mean that "only a small number should be allowed", but rather we will see due to the general tendency of women, not many will want to take up this role when compared to the number of men. Can a woman be a firefighter? Sure... but not many. At least that is my understanding of the conversation. - Madana-gopāla Dāsa
@michelledynamite69
@michelledynamite69 Год назад
Thank you for your time, Madana Gopala. Your answer makes sense and i understand better now.
@samspade2657
@samspade2657 Год назад
@@iskconunityindiversity You misunderstood completely. "Not so many" means just that - it is rare. So rare that Srila Prabhupada could only think of one. But the cheating propensity is alive and well and bent on word jugglery.
@samspade2657
@samspade2657 Год назад
Discrimination is a sign of intelligence. People would object "well plants have life too" when we say no meating eating. But then we say that you need to discriminate betwen the two, which is less violent etc.
@ASTRUM502
@ASTRUM502 Год назад
Iskcon should have just made the main qualification for Diksha Guru that is disciple of Prabhupada, and when they leave the body, the Disciples can be Dikshas. This is better than the vote system, the Zonal system, and changing Ritviks to Dikshas.
@Maitreyaaaa
@Maitreyaaaa Год назад
The woman must remain at home. She has only three stages of life: dependency on the father in childhood, dependency on the husband in youth and, in old age, dependency on the grown-up son, such as Kapila. SB 3.24.40 purport
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