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Hidden & Dangerous 2 Is One Of The Greatest World War 2 Shooters 

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So many people have never played this absolute gem...
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Hidden & Dangerous 2 released on PC only days before the very first Call of Duty. It has many fans across the globe, but the series ended with this game. In this retrosepctive review, I take a look at how the game plays, its system, its good bits and its flaws, to let you know how good it is.
Hidden & Dangerous 2 is a first and third person tactical shooter that builds upon the tremendous success of Hidden & Dangerous. You lead a small squad of Allied soldiers deep behind enemy lines, to carry out secret missions during World War II.
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@cloudygrosso1106
@cloudygrosso1106 3 месяца назад
Back in the day they made amazing single player tactical shooters where you could actually command your own squad. Imagine.
@KapiteinKrentebol
@KapiteinKrentebol 2 месяца назад
Yeah, now there's just multiplayer games as a service and all your investments will be gone one day. Bye bye Nicky Minaj dlc. 😭
@daanboer1887
@daanboer1887 3 месяца назад
My dad has never been a gamer, but when I was a kid 20 years ago I used to watch him play the first H&D on an old monitor. When he played night levels we had to sit under a towel with the screen because we couldn't see anything otherwise. And then I'd get really nervous and get out the room and go to my mom to tell her about it. And when I'd come back I'd ask him if all the men were still alive.
@SgtIdontcare
@SgtIdontcare 3 месяца назад
No way.. that's exactly the way I used to play this game too, lol. With an old CRT monitor there were no other way to pass the first two missons and Burma :D Did you play H&D 1 too?
@michaelthompson3284
@michaelthompson3284 3 месяца назад
Wow, haha I really thought it was just me. I'd have to wait until nighttime and turn out all the lights around me in order to play
@Piece-Of-Time
@Piece-Of-Time 3 месяца назад
Man, non-gamers that love to play one specific game are the most wholesome people
@tommyguan5952
@tommyguan5952 3 месяца назад
The magic part is when I was playing HD2, I could actually feel the weather in each mission. I think that just means how capable the developers are in making the gameplays and telling the stories.
@RunningVandal.
@RunningVandal. 3 месяца назад
Tis weather is perfect. Rain and mud. Just the way we like it here.
@Mysli0210
@Mysli0210 3 месяца назад
@@RunningVandal. Best line of the game, Period!
@wsjmusic2732
@wsjmusic2732 3 месяца назад
Great point. That first mission in the snow felt extremely uncomfortable
@blackcathardware6238
@blackcathardware6238 3 месяца назад
First mission H&D1? Crossing the railway bridge in Italy? Never saw a more perfect rain.
@buak809
@buak809 Месяц назад
First campaign and it already set you up in a mood. Was hell of a blast. I remember third mission when the night changed into the early morning accompanied with fog and that we had to go back to the cabin to get a pilot and get back again. All while the enemies were around the place. This gave me a lot of anxiety, especially when I was playing only in tactical mode and on hard difficulty (decided to make it challenging). One of the best games of it's genre up to this day.
@danmang923
@danmang923 3 месяца назад
One of the greatest WW2 games ever. Needs a remaster or a sequel, from the same company, on modern hardware!
@nikolasmaes99
@nikolasmaes99 3 месяца назад
A game we all actually enjoyed. Very British game: "he's gone!" Awesome voice acting.
@Whirlwind990
@Whirlwind990 3 месяца назад
glad people are still talking about this game. It was so fun, so much customization and variety of the missions. The North African missions were so good
@Doxxy0
@Doxxy0 5 дней назад
i replayed this so many times in my life. thinking about getting to it again as every time missions were different, and i could find out about new stuffs every time
@thescream1868
@thescream1868 2 месяца назад
this game is an absolute masterpiece. I still play it to this day. If you can get past the aging (though still quite serviceable) graphics, you are in for an absolute blast. No game quite like it so even though its old, the experience feels quite fresh. Oh btw, you can loot the uniforms as long they dont have blood on them
@SeeyouinPittsburgh
@SeeyouinPittsburgh 3 месяца назад
I think that the reason most of the times you cannot loot uniforms is due to them having been shot and therefore the uniform being damaged/bloody - i think in one of the missions you either have to or are advised to loot a uniform and you have to take someone out in a particular way. Its a bit bit pedantic, but thats what they were going for.
@Mysli0210
@Mysli0210 3 месяца назад
Generally you could make all enemies surrender, you'd just have to surprise them. Most levels could have you benefit from wearing enemy uniforms.
@mathieupuffet
@mathieupuffet 3 месяца назад
that is the very reason, if you get an enemy to surrender you can get his uniform, but getting an enemy to surrender is a mechanic that feels very random.
@987tazer
@987tazer 12 часов назад
If I remember correctly - you can loot the uniform if you kill the enemy by knife. Otherwise the uniform is dmged 🙂
@MetalguitarlessonsUK
@MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 месяца назад
Dude you can 100% rename your characters in this, my mate and I would always give them absolutely ludicrous names. In the character selection screen at the start you can do it!
@ForeignSpazm
@ForeignSpazm 4 месяца назад
If you want to play an awesome spiritual successor to the old CoD and MoH try out Easy Red 2! $8 and it has several campaigns, offline mode, map editor and even an ARMA style inventory. Xbox and pc I believe.
@kzamart
@kzamart 3 месяца назад
Not sure about now but it was/or is developed by one guy as well. Reminds me a lot of the old BF1942.. which I put way too much time into back in the day
@Piece-Of-Time
@Piece-Of-Time 3 месяца назад
Red Orchestra!!!
@vinny420smokerofdank3
@vinny420smokerofdank3 3 месяца назад
@Piece-Of-Time Red Orchestra, pure gold. Really enjoyed BF42 and the mods, had loved Brother in Arms too
@Grandmastergav86
@Grandmastergav86 3 месяца назад
Tried that game, really wasn't a fan - it fell flat.
@newbiebaker
@newbiebaker 3 месяца назад
ill never forget about that moment when i shot my last bullet and reloading would kill me so i just dropped my gun, took the K98 a finished the guy that was running to his cover. you dont have such moments in other games and i enjoyed playing LS3D engine ones with all the clumsiness and stiffness
@SamusEny
@SamusEny 3 месяца назад
finishing this on lone wolf on the hardest difficulty is one of my best gaming moments
@coudiegames
@coudiegames 29 дней назад
Very, very good video bro. As Czech, which is origin country of this game, i have very nostalgic and nice memories with this game. I used to play it all the time. Thank you for this vid man
@christophlima7982
@christophlima7982 3 месяца назад
Payed 3€ for this game on Amazon in 2005 and loved it! I played it many hours! My squad was always: 1.Sniper 2.Medic 3.Stealth 4.Heavy Weapon carrier Playing this game with only German, US and Soviet-loadout via cheatcode was also fun ♥
@FabianMacGintyONeill
@FabianMacGintyONeill 3 месяца назад
I remember seeing the absolutely lazy historical distribution of weapons in the new CoD games, and remembering that this game perfectly modelled the entire Japanese arsenal for the one mission you're in Burma, I really miss that level of dedication to detail.
@simulationstimulation961
@simulationstimulation961 4 месяца назад
Damn man you've taken me back years and years... I used to love H&D and H&D2, desperados, commandos and such kind of games!
@Piece-Of-Time
@Piece-Of-Time 3 месяца назад
Try Brothers In Arms. It's way simpler in gameplay, but really hardcore, especially in highest difficulty that turns off parts of HUD and checkpoints. Actually, it's simplicity of gameplay gives huge freedom of tactics. I've 41 hours in this game(maybe even 40 more if we count non-licensed versions) and I still find new tactics
@rogersgatty3644
@rogersgatty3644 3 месяца назад
Le jeu de guerre le plus détaillé que j'ai jamais vu . Des armes a la simple caisse de munitions . Un gameplay fantastique . La gestion d'équipe . L'historicité des missions . Le réalisme . La difficulté . Un PUR cHEF dOEUVRE
@CormanCatalin
@CormanCatalin 4 месяца назад
Loved this one! Think it's called tactical for a reason. Enjoyed the overview mode where you gave orders to rest of the party - like bird eye view and stuff...
@TheOrdomalleus666
@TheOrdomalleus666 3 месяца назад
I was amazed as a kid when playing H&D2 by sneaking under Tirpitz and the other fun missions. I will revisit the game now. Thanks for the reminder.
@MattyYOGG
@MattyYOGG 3 месяца назад
As a Czech kid born in the 2000s i remember my grandpa showing me this game and i Played the first part for 7 years ( 2011 - 2018 ) actively about 2000H and the game is super by playing online or play at one PC a share soldiers ( When you die the other players plays ). Sadly not everyone has experienced the glory of this game and H&Đ 1
@MrWhiXy
@MrWhiXy 3 месяца назад
Hrál si v nějakým klanu? :D
@MattyYOGG
@MattyYOGG 3 месяца назад
@@MrWhiXy Nehrál
@nottactical6988
@nottactical6988 3 месяца назад
Amazing mechanics, stiff as hell, full of open ended levels that rewarded replaying, amazing atmosphere, great sound effects. Jank but rich and incredibly ambitious. I would fight for a HnD3.
@santiagorojaspiaggio
@santiagorojaspiaggio 4 месяца назад
This game is like Commandos, mixed with Mafia, mixed with Arma (inventory and orders systems). As an Arma fan i really liked it, and its realistic aproach (you can die pretty quickly), although it's better in coop (with a mod or in the expansion), for me. It's a shame it isn't that well known or that it probably isn't that accessible nowadays. Or is it? I played it a long time ago with my brother and cousins, and it was a great experience, similar to SWAT, maybe. You can see that the developers had a heart and ambition (just like Mafia 1, whose director also made Kingdom Come: Deliverance). EDIT: 08:19 You can regulate your speed with the mouse wheel in Zero Hour, also. EDIT 2: 16:02 Hahahaha that woman has the same face as Sarah from Mafia 1. EDIT 3: If the AI was your main problem, then maybe you should try the coop expansion with other people; or to play the first game with a coop mod, as i did. I mean, these kind of games, including Operation Flashpoint and Arma, are designed in a way where it's just so much better to play it with people.
@user-sc3qe7nu1z
@user-sc3qe7nu1z 3 месяца назад
H&D is one of the old Gems in Games History for sure!!!! ❤
@LEEROY_UK
@LEEROY_UK 4 месяца назад
Excellent video, can’t believe how good this still looks!
@mercenarydelta7351
@mercenarydelta7351 17 дней назад
Overall a good video. A few pointers: - The stealth meter only applies when wearing enemy uniforms. You pretty much get detected instantly if you're wearing or holding any Allied equipment. - Uniforms are only obtained through surrendering enemies. Gun kills and the like renders the uniform useless to equip. - You can rename your soldiers. When selecting which soldiers to take with you on a campaign, you can click on their names to change them into something that you'd prefer.
@templofzoom9635
@templofzoom9635 4 месяца назад
Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory also had the scroll for movement speed. This is a cool little hidden gem that i'm pretty sure will click with me. Chur
@farid.rabhallah
@farid.rabhallah Месяц назад
I played the HD1 back in 1999, and replayed both HD 1 and 2 more than 1 time last few years.
@NostalgicGamerRickOShay
@NostalgicGamerRickOShay 3 месяца назад
8:55 actually that stealth meter only applies if you are wearing an enemy uniform. Otherwise you have to rely on the number at the bottom of your profile picture we simply tells you the distance in which anatomy can see you and if he sees you, he opens fire immediately if you are wearing your British uniform still. Or if you have something visible on you that doesn't belong while wearing an enemy uniform.
@NostalgicGamerRickOShay
@NostalgicGamerRickOShay 3 месяца назад
It's fitting that you didn't use the disguise in the final Norway mission because the attack dogs can recognize you instantly anyway. It must be your aftershave they smell.
@NostalgicGamerRickOShay
@NostalgicGamerRickOShay 3 месяца назад
At 16:30, when facing the enigma machine, look directly to the right and on the floor and you will see hidden hatch at the end of the room and in there is the secret code book.
@Terrydactyl
@Terrydactyl 3 месяца назад
Yeah I did get that :)
@Deunan_Knute
@Deunan_Knute 2 месяца назад
another thing about the jeep with the browning machine gun or the truck with the anti-aircraft gun is that you can doire while controling the gun, you simply make all the soldiers get in and switch to directly control the soldier using the gun, now if you use the movement keys (WASD or whatever you prefer) you will drive the truck or jeep while using the gun.
@broadswordcdb5879
@broadswordcdb5879 4 месяца назад
Like WW2 Socom. It was one of my favorites.
@nuttyjawa
@nuttyjawa 4 месяца назад
Still have my boxed copy on my shelf that I got *checks notes* holy crap 21 years ago xD
@jonlannister345
@jonlannister345 12 дней назад
It seems like barely anyone played this game, but it seems to have had in 2003 a bunch of things that weren't really seen again until ArmA 2
@Wilber913
@Wilber913 3 месяца назад
You can take their uniform as long as it’s not been damaged in the fight. Surrendered enemy for instance. You can take their uniform Edit: ok I watched further 😂
@DyingTiger
@DyingTiger 3 месяца назад
Probably played H&D2 about 50 times, and there is always something new to discover, or a new way to approach a mission.
@munkelt7090
@munkelt7090 3 месяца назад
Since I was a kid, me and my dad would play the original H&D, I still played it on 2023, and the mechanics was so simple with that game that I could never wrap my head around H&D2, because it was just "complicated" because one, English isn't my first language, and the mechanics of the game is way different, so I never got to try it to fully discover how the game worked. But the first H&D? Now that was a banger
@NostalgicGamerRickOShay
@NostalgicGamerRickOShay 3 месяца назад
If you still have the original game, do you have the deluxe remaster version of that game from steam? If you do, you should give the ultimate overhaul mod a chance.
@NostalgicGamerRickOShay
@NostalgicGamerRickOShay 3 месяца назад
By the way, the one drawback of the original game is that nobody ever improves their skills unlike in the sequel game.
@munkelt7090
@munkelt7090 3 месяца назад
@@NostalgicGamerRickOShay I have both the deluxe and the steam version.
@tiredeyesofficial
@tiredeyesofficial 3 месяца назад
This was truly a hidden gem. Spent many hours diving into this back in the day
@Doxxy0
@Doxxy0 5 дней назад
controlling the flak guy and driving at the same time is possible. with every vehicle. when i was a kid i loved driving around like that pointlessly
@ostellan
@ostellan 3 месяца назад
Brothers in arms
@Piece-Of-Time
@Piece-Of-Time 3 месяца назад
My beloved
@hadleighmoon9815
@hadleighmoon9815 4 месяца назад
Thank you for reminding me about this banger
@ClockworkGFX
@ClockworkGFX 3 месяца назад
I miss this game. So formative for my early years and I don't think I've ever seen anyone talk about it.
@sovietguardian
@sovietguardian Месяц назад
8:11 You can acquire an enemy's uniform if you take a prisoner
@HkSniper
@HkSniper 3 месяца назад
Loved Hidden and Dangerous 1, and Hidden and Dangerous 2. I still reinstall HD2 every once and a while and play through the main campaign and the expansion pack's. Love it.
@PapaKilo1975
@PapaKilo1975 3 месяца назад
I played through this and it's expansion again very recently and it brought back so many fond memories. Yes it hasn't aged all that well, but it still looks pretty good and has absolutely bags of atmosphere. There are parts where you feel you are the main character in various war films. A special mention also for the music, which is absolutely epic throughout the game. It just nails the feeling of what you'd imagine WW2 to feel like. And to those of you who haven't seen it, check out SAS Rogue Heroes which aired here in the UK in 2022. It's the closest thing we'll ever get to H&D the series.
@boogie5
@boogie5 3 месяца назад
Holy Schnikes, you're taking me back with this one!
@jonlannister345
@jonlannister345 12 дней назад
Did anyone else notice that updated version of Windows broke the AI? I remember on XP that the enemy were much more likely to take cover and run around you, and were easier to cause to quit either by injury, forcing surrender or disarming them. It feels like windows versions after XP they are much dumber, and they almost never quit due to injury or disarmament, and surrender only really happens in easy mode. You can loot the uniform of captured enemy soldiers, but capturing them is a pain in the arse after XP except for a couple pre-planned spots like the one you found. I've never managed to capture a Japanese soldier after XP, but have managed to force a couple Germans and Russians in regular gameplay by saving nearby and giving it 50 tries lol That horrible mission on the iceberg I once played through it by sending my guy disguised as a German to take the Submarine before doing anything else. Worked out fine, even captured 3 more uniforms lol That mad dash through the desert where you can get one-shot at any moment by a tank or a plane goes a lot smoother if you've got 4 enemy uniforms to give out. Buys you a few seconds before anyone starts shooting at you.
@dfig2569
@dfig2569 3 месяца назад
WW2 Shooters to me were Medal of Honor series (all were great games growing up but were awkward on GameCube controller’s shape) brothers in arms (awesome games and great on PC) Red Orchestra/rising storm and Day of defeat. Hell Let Loose, Post Scriptum and Squad 44 are the most realistic and fun nowadays and allow for giant maps and 50v50 battles with tanks which are relatively realistic with loafers drivers gunners and commanders as well as other armor (light tanks, half tracks, trucks, jeeps) n artillery pieces static and deployable, fortification building and a plethora of accurate weapons and different battles.
@Rustythemouse
@Rustythemouse 3 месяца назад
I never forget this game. As I managed to hardly surrender enemies to get their uniform... :D
@TheScortUK
@TheScortUK 3 месяца назад
HAD were great games back in the day, probably still stack up today tbh.
@Gearparadummies
@Gearparadummies 3 месяца назад
The first H&D was released three or four years earlier. Featured a mission inside the "Scharnhorn" barttleship while she was already sinking. I have yet to see a better mission on any wargame since.
@Timbermannetje
@Timbermannetje Месяц назад
I would like to play something like this with 4 friends, online co op missions in WW2 setting. Like Helldivers II
@NoNickNoKick
@NoNickNoKick 3 месяца назад
Hidden & Dangerous, Deadly Dozen, and Mortyr where my jam back in the days
@silky-1971-
@silky-1971- 2 месяца назад
HD2 is a fantastic game, I still play it now.
@cognitivedisability9864
@cognitivedisability9864 3 месяца назад
I remember playing this game as a kid from a demo CD my fathers cousin gave me. Couldn't get past the first mission lol.
@mosburgz
@mosburgz 2 месяца назад
i loved this game when i was a kid.
@xjuliussx
@xjuliussx 3 месяца назад
100% agree, what makes it more impressive, i don't know HOW< players made the multiplayer work for this one!
@WojtaDaCat
@WojtaDaCat 5 дней назад
i never knew Illusion made this, im happy to be a czech
@GoldenCopyTrading
@GoldenCopyTrading 3 месяца назад
Guys this game ist still online playable. Lets go and reunite online.
@AkiWataru
@AkiWataru 20 дней назад
Love multi in that game :D That was pure fun in 201X times
@charles_wipman
@charles_wipman 4 месяца назад
Kinda remind me of the 1st Ghost Recons; i didn't knew about it.
@Jam-xg3qx
@Jam-xg3qx 3 месяца назад
My favorite game ever, its the very first game i bought. this game oh man..
@saintxrage2311
@saintxrage2311 3 месяца назад
The gameplay mechanics remind me so much of the first Rainbow Six.
@francex280
@francex280 3 месяца назад
This game It came to mind a few days ago, early 2000s I was just a kid I have no idea how I even discovered it, I spent afternoons figuring out how to move forward on missions😅 Unfortunately I never finished it
@drksimi3
@drksimi3 3 месяца назад
my first gamplay was hidden & dangerous fight for freedom.
@SgtMajor82
@SgtMajor82 7 дней назад
Great game... I wish they had continued. PVP would also be nice!
@emildespair2358
@emildespair2358 12 дней назад
Love this game, i still have 2 copies of it
@Piece-Of-Time
@Piece-Of-Time 3 месяца назад
0:03 Brothers In Arms😢
@jacobfield4848
@jacobfield4848 3 месяца назад
Great game. The same people who made this made Mafia 1 and 2, all great games.
@aqlanj4706
@aqlanj4706 3 месяца назад
Played this game on lonewolf and loved this game
@limeybonesjones7395
@limeybonesjones7395 Месяц назад
it's a highly underrated game.
@leivabernie
@leivabernie 3 месяца назад
This was one of the best games EVER. I lost my copy while moving, and totally forgot about it ( I think my brain was protecting me from the loss 😂😂😂)
@IAmLogicL
@IAmLogicL 3 месяца назад
literally never heard of this game in my life
@scipfish
@scipfish 2 дня назад
One of the greatest WW2 games ever made
@EliteFuller
@EliteFuller 2 месяца назад
dont forget to Brothers of arms
@1xMTx1
@1xMTx1 3 месяца назад
H&D 2 is an emotion.
@KapiteinKrentebol
@KapiteinKrentebol 2 месяца назад
Does the gunplay being stiff is because there hardly seem any recoil? Should make it a bit easier actually.
@krishm16
@krishm16 3 месяца назад
The world slept on this game.
@bertoslaf
@bertoslaf 3 месяца назад
ohh, those memories
@sam_15_svk90
@sam_15_svk90 2 месяца назад
I was growing up with this game. It was pretty much my 1st game I played in multiplayer. I love it and I wish somebody would make some kind of remake of it. But ofc with larger maps and more players per server than it was back then - to fit the today's or UE5's tech & graphical standards. HLL despite most successful WWII shooter atm, it failed its players (many broken promises, many bad-working metas, many broken features or problems that haven't been even attempted to be fixed in many years now).
@27drdubs
@27drdubs 3 месяца назад
great game.....had alot of fun with it back in the day.
@stevenpremmel4116
@stevenpremmel4116 3 месяца назад
What would have made that game perfect is if the jeep had an inventory system too.
@joseph291
@joseph291 3 месяца назад
Loved that game. Id llove a remake.
@brainyskeletonofdoom7824
@brainyskeletonofdoom7824 3 месяца назад
Incredible game
@robertsloan2877
@robertsloan2877 3 месяца назад
Yes. Yes it absolutely is.
@sim6446
@sim6446 3 месяца назад
as a huge fan of mafia 1 im suprised i never seen this game before illusion software were really never into explaining things in their games lol getting through mafia 1 without any guides is a big challange i think they were always a little too ambicious and didnt realize the technology limitations of their time and just tried to do everything they can, i would love to see a game like that release now if u could play 4 man coop it would be an insane experience
@JIMMYLEGS_
@JIMMYLEGS_ 3 месяца назад
Uhh nice... I've been waiting for this one. Watching now.
@Hercul2199
@Hercul2199 3 месяца назад
You can pature soldiers You can take their uniform
@mohaglade4892
@mohaglade4892 3 месяца назад
this is one of the games that i dream would be remade! but
@silverfox8874
@silverfox8874 3 месяца назад
I loved this game...totally addictive!
@abdelhadymohamed6206
@abdelhadymohamed6206 3 месяца назад
Nice review
@h1tten1t
@h1tten1t 4 месяца назад
Goldeneye64 ❤❤❤
@donradkos6655
@donradkos6655 Месяц назад
Certified Hood Classic.
@pepperkakespisern5531
@pepperkakespisern5531 3 месяца назад
Hidden and Dangerous 3 would be great
@maisgogaming2397
@maisgogaming2397 Месяц назад
8:12 yes u can need capture the enemy
@Pvt.Franky
@Pvt.Franky 4 месяца назад
Actually you can rename them xD
@Terrydactyl
@Terrydactyl 4 месяца назад
U FOKIN WOT M8?!?! How?
@Pvt.Franky
@Pvt.Franky 4 месяца назад
@@Terrydactyl Long time ago but I think it is before you start the first mission. Above the stats just double click on the name at the team selection. I used to name them like some of my buddies even watch them progress from Private up to Major. xD
@pedjatrninic
@pedjatrninic 4 месяца назад
@@Pvt.Franky I renamed them like COD characters,such are Price and Soap.
@lucas82
@lucas82 3 месяца назад
The first H&D was incredibly difficult and clunky the 2nd was a lot more playable, but still clunky. Underrated game for sure.
@JohnTheRegis
@JohnTheRegis Месяц назад
such a great game and a travesty it hasn't had a re-master or HD3. I think it would be possible to crowd fund the rights to the game and make it happen!
@Fikser11
@Fikser11 3 месяца назад
10:35 that soldier was scripted to behave like that, the game encourages you to take his uniform. I think they might've spotted you because of carrying a british weapon as a german soldier ;)
@vlad_8011
@vlad_8011 2 месяца назад
You can rename soldiers here. i remember i have done it by mistake.
@Arnechk
@Arnechk 3 месяца назад
10/10 idea, 5/10 execution. I really dislike savescumming and I usually play on the most authentic difficulty in such games. However old games had such poor AI that coupled with extreme difficulty it just mean frustration. HD2 and Bia rth30/eib are the top offenders imo, while being the best games in this genre.
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