And you could order a 1897 shotgun and get it delivered straight to your door via the Sears catalog for cheaper than the gun store price... this is both why everyone liked Sears, and why the present sucks.
@Joshua Tree That was just the pretext. Even if Lee Harvey Oswald had never mail ordered a gun, or if he had never even shot JFK, the Elites would have just found some other reason to justify the law.
Gamfluent ok let’s think about this shall we :) Let’s say you’re saving up for the bounty hunter saddle, roughly $550. For each bounty you do in the lower ranks you get around $8. That’s ~69 bounties averaging at 17 minutes each. 19.55 REAL LIFE hours for a saddle in a game. Still sounds fair? What if you’re saving up for the black Arabian? Let’s say you’re using the trader role to do so, this time with higher rank. Let’s say you have the 50 goods cart. 50 minutes to get the cart full and 18 minutes to do the long delivery paying roughly $150. 9 lots of 68 minutes is 10.2 hours. So far for a good horse and saddle we’re at 29.75 hours of playing this friggin game.
@@sadieadler3065 if you only do bounties to make money in RDO you’re playing the game wrong, there’s always stranger missions, hunting, PvP, other roles like the moonshiner and collector. So overall you should be making a lot more money than what you’re saying.
The tactical bicycle bit had me giggling like a school boy. Could you imagine trying to walk through Rhodes and witinessing the first biker gang rolling up with machine guns to turn in a bounty?
A fellow Forgotten Weapons viewer? Also, it would be more likely that one of those Italian volcanics made it here than the carcano. The Italians couldn't even build enough of those to supply their military until after WWI, and to the extent of my knowledge none were imported here until the 50s.
The rdr2 catalog description for the volcanic mentions it being retrofitted to fire conventional cased centerfire ammo. It's not historically accurate but it explains how the gun works in the game.
According to the in game gun catalog, the Volcanic Pistol you can buy is actually a replica, or at least an improved version of the original that's been chambered for more potent modern cartridges.
The volcanic pistol is accurate, there is the volcanic and rocket ball, the volcanic had cartridges. The pre Winchester 30-30. Repeaters have the same action as the volcanic...aka Litchfield repeater.
What's funny is the amount of research isnt even really that hard to accomplish, makes me wonder why Rockstar couldnt have done the same work that one man is doing here on youtube
@@ManvsHistory Holy shit. Some lucky kids have a teacher who is an ethnic Kekistani. Wonderful people with a rich culture dating back to before the great meme wars.
@@MaynardCrow Ha! I'm a decorated veteran of the Great Meme War, son. Spent several years in the 1st Based Artillery, dropping red pills wherever they were needed. We lost a lot of pedes, but that's expected when the memes were as spicy as they were.
I’d like you to do a “wage accuracy” video. There’s a sign in Rhodes at the Gray Woolen Mill that says “laborers get payed $20 dollars at the end of the week no arguing.”
I suppose its not impossible that some ex Confederate officer would have moved out west with a LeMat in tow, but its admittedly unlikely. Only 5000 were made and they were unreliable and hated by its users. A shame, a nine round revolver with a shotgun attachment sounds wonderful on paper.
4:55 Historically though, in the late 19th century there were a lot of people with obsolete firearms. A lot of people were poor and didn't have money to buy newer firearms (though they were a lot more affordable in the late 19th century due to lots of surplus guns being sold on the market), so you might see some strange firearms if you were there at the time.
Totally agree. I've been a big proponent of bringing black powder rifles into the game, so I'm good with the Volcanic being in. Sure, it would have been rare and obsolete, but I say let us carry whatever old ones we want. No harm in that.
@@ManvsHistory I would recommend looking up the channel in range tv for their western firearms section. People were still using black powder percussion cap revolvers even into the 1920’s, and mainly because grandpa’s 1862 pocket revolver he would Carry and likely use in the civil war that his mom gave to him before conscription, could probably still hit a target and have somewhat of an effect on a ne’er do well just as well as that brand new Colt police positive, over on the gun store racks, with a price far cheaper in terms of the ammo and ancillary products like upgrades to its ammunition to be a metallic cartridge
Same is true of it's descendent, the Winchester model 12. That was my first shotgun. With the lack of a disconnect, you can fire as fast as you can pump if you keep the trigger depressed, but doing it well requires practice and finesse.
I’d honestly love a collectors role of finding old and unique weapons throughout the map and selling them to a gunsmith, or an option to keep and use the weapon for yourself. But Rockstar don’t add fun things like that in their game bc they’re so worried about making players grind to the point where they can’t bring themselves to add anything FUN
This is such an awesome idea, Matthew. Some players wouldn't be interested in this at all- but I would absolutely love it. What's the harm? Even if they were completely obsolete in the game, R* should let us decide if we want to use them. I've said it a million times, but I'd love a black powder rifle in the game. Preferably a Hawken .50. We need more fun!
The .577 Nitro Express (Elephant Rifle) has a crazy markup too, but even it was crazy-expensive for most in 1899... The Gatling and especially the Maxim were heavy beasts, with the water cooled Maxim weighing in around 300lbs..
Another upload, another disappointment when I realize it's still not the "How expensive would it be to move a gang to Tahiti" video I hoped to see Still a great vid tho
Hi! Just wanted to bring to your attention that the Volcanic pistol ejecting Brass casings is actually addressed in game. The Catalog article in game actually talks about the original Rocket ball ammunition. Going on to explain that the model in game is a newer model that fires Cartridges. Still not historically accurate but it is addressed. Thanks!
Funny thing about the LeMat is the reason why it was a revolver for the Confederacy is because Colonel Jean Alexandre Francois LeMat designer and namesake of said revolver is P.G.T. Beauregard's cousin they were originally meant to be sidearms for dragoons and other mounted troops in the US Army they were developed in New Orleans, LA in 1856 and were going to be marketed to the US Army in 1859 there was Confederate contracts LeMat received to make 5,000 of these revolvers but do to the war breaking out approximately only 2,900 were made and were smuggled through Bermuda due to the Southern Naval Blockade imposed by the Union.
While you didn’t mention the Carcano. The Carcano model used in game is the M38, the 1938 revision of the gun and not the original M91 long rifle version. Also as a side note, rockstar missed a great opportunity by not adding the Carcano calvary carbine to the game.
What I found Strange on RDR2 Online is that The Litchfield Repeater is considered a Upgrade to the Lancaster, with almost better stats in all regards, even The Price is higher showing that it is indeed an "Upgrade", despite The Fact that it was supose to be the Other Way around I like to use the Litchfield, even on RDR1 Single player, that was my Main Rifle, and in RDR2 too, Both Single Player and Online I also like Bolt Action Rifle, as a Long/Mid Range "Sniper" weapon, and the Litchfield as a more Versatile "Assault Rifle"
Another thing people forgot to point out. If you read the catalogue page for the Volcanic Repeating Pistol there is a blurb that tells you that current ones being sold in those gun shops have been retooled to function with normal brass cases ammunition to cater to collectors without resorting to using the weaker rocket ball ammunition which explains why you see shell ejection from this particular firearm and in reality it wouldn’t be too difficult for New Haven arms to have done that since they did that to turn the rocket ball oriented Volcanic Rifle into the brass rim fire cased Henry Rifle. Just a little something I wanted to bring up
Haven’t had the idea as much to go back and watch the video’s you made that i didn’t see from you but now I’m gonna, great video as always and you’re amount of research with backing up you’re claims with proof is amazing.
i wanted to thank you for all the detail in these videos. not only do i just love rdr2, but i’m also writing a book set in this era and the real names of the guns used really helped! thank you!!
I noticed very minor hiccups in the video but you seem to have acknowledged those in comments, which is very commendable. You accept criticism and put hard work and effort into these videos. You’re someone I’m willing to get behind and support as a subscriber 🙏
It took me forever to supply the trapper guy with every feather, tooth and fur to collect all his handmade clothing 100% how accurate is this part of the game
The Volcanic Pistol kind of reminds me of the Gyrojet Rocket pistol from the 1950s. It was pretty similar in that the ammunition was basically just a small, self-contained rocket. Interestingly though it started slow and gained speed as it travelled. Really not meant for anything other than target shooting, it was offered to the US military, who in a not very 1950s US military fashion, were not interested
Velodog pistols: velo from velocipede, first name for all muscle powered vehicles and dog from, well, dog. There was a whole subtype of pistols made for cyclists mostly for defence against dogs.
I remember reading a historical article about the volcanic repeating pistol somewhere, it didn't mention price explicitly, but it did say that compared to other handguns available at the time it was a lot more complicated to operate, ammo was hard to come by, and it was way more expensive than anything else on the market. It was really just a company Smith and Wesson slapped together to market the prototype rocket ball ammunition which was a failure as mentioned It was an expensive novelty gun that shot prototype ammo during a time where alot of innovation in gunsmithing was being made, and alot of other firearm systems on the market were more affordable easy to operate and maintain
Almost every old west video game adds the Volcanic and Lemat because of their distinctive silhouette and features. Side Note: My great grandfather had a Remington 1889 shotgun. Long barrel and heavy but somehow he still managed to split the left barrel with a hot loaded shell. Pap was a crazy one.
YOOOO this got me hype for the potential future of RDO in terms of going bigger the way they did with GTA online. they're inevitably gonna do it so it's good to know that we could have dope vehicles like the bicycle gattling gun or hot air balloons or the stationary gattling guns for purchase to maybe defend camp at least
I forget if I made this comment a while ago but the volcanic pistol is a redesigned for the world in red dead 2 since it now uses conventional ammo with casing no longer using rocket ball ammo now using a pistol variant of it lever action rifle sibling
It's bad that even a 1000% markup is nothing in GTA Online. IRL you can buy a 1999 VW Golf for $400 in good condition, meanwhile in GTA that same car is $1,280,000... that's a 3,199,000% markup...
If you read the description in the catalog they describe the volcanic as being modified to use regular cartridges. If you Google it a few smiths have made replicas that fire cartridges for real.
When this game re-release in ps5 and starts to actually get attention from R* (updates and such) your videos and channel in general will get alot of views/subs
Also yes. The animations for the operation of the firearms looks good. But I would love to find the human being that could reload a firearm as fast as ya can in this. Especially the cap and balls, the Lemat and Navy Colt. I get that you are getting in shootouts against entire massive armies and they need to speed them up so you don't die reloading, but holy crap those are fast reloads.
It'd be kind of neat for RDO to have a 'realism' mode where the prices are historically accurate, but if you die you have to go back to where you were, within x amount of time, in order to pick it back up, otherwise you'd have to buy a new one. Alternatively, have an autopurchase system set up where it removes the historical amount from your inventory when you respawn. That sounds pretty neat to me, albeit I'm unsure how well it would work in an open public lobby where people might grief you using this system.
The Navy revolver is a cap and ball revolver, but in-game it loads like a pistol that shoots metallic cartridges. Of course, historically people bored out the cylinders of their old cap and ball revolvers so they could fire metallic cartridges, but on the in-game pistol model, you can see the percussion caps.
I personally surprised they didn't have a Arthur wear armor like the kelly homemade metal armor he used to fight the Australian police, and then used a Colt Browning 1895 as a primary
Oh boy... The machine gun bycicle would be the Oppressor MK2 all over again... But on the other hand, PLEASE GIVE ME THAT! I WANT IT SO BAD! XD Also, I would love to see a suppressed russian Nagant Revolver in the game. That would be so cool
Indeed. I still wish they'd add in the older, obsolete firearms. Especially the Hawken .50 / .30 used by the mountain men. Have them take 30 seconds to reload a single shot, and be worthless in PvP. But have it nonetheless.
Given how close that one was to the seat of the bicycle, it's as if it was to be fired somewhat like Tom Savini's "Sex Machine" gun in From Dusk Till Dawn.
I always hated how the Springfield rifle is wayyyy shorter then the actual irl Trapdoor. It just looks ridiculous. Like it should be longer the the Rolling Block.
@@kylebrady969 Yeah but the ingame model isn't the carbine model, it's thw regular full size one except they shortened it, which kind of confuses me since in the first game the model was the actual carbine and the icon in the Compendium is the actual carbine as well, so I'm just kinda confused and sort of annoyed why they picked that model over what I assume to be an already working 1873 Carbine model
So i actually only just found this today but if you read the description in the catalog for the volcanic pistol it mentions that this one is actually an updated model designed to fire brass ammo which in itself yes is inaccurate but i think R* probably made it so rdr is a different universe where the faliure of the rocket ball leading to innovation instead of giving up and why i think they did this is because its a sexy gun and they knew it was either that or give it worse stats than the double action
The carcano in the game is about double what you would pay for one today even after the huge surge in gun purchases last year they’re still pretty cheap you can find them for like $250-300, I was given mine by my grandfather it’s a great gun
It probably cost Rockstar far more to have the Volcanic Pistol modeled, normal mapped, textured, painted and to have the animations done than the gun ever made while it was in production.
5:48 in the catalog in game, they say it is an updated version of the volcanic pistol that shoots traditional cased ammunition. Just thought you should know that.
4:55 one thing to note which I realised when looking at it in the story mode gunsmith is they actually addressed this issue like there’s a bit of text talking about how they swapped the rocket ball ammunition for regular bullets in the game still kind of outdated I agree but it’s a cool enough addition I don’t mind too much.
