it's ashame the majority of Catholics will never experience the majesty, reverance, respectfulness, and beauty of the Latin Mass. A beautiful way to worship Our Lord.
@@domburton yes that's right...law of praying is the law of believing...the simplicity of the Novus Ordo makes it ever more beautiful as St. Jerome said... "Where does the 'amen' thus resound like the thunder of heaven, and shake the temples of the idols? Not that the Romans hold another faith than that of all the Churches of Christ, but that they have a greater devotion and SIMPLICITY in believing. " ----(ST. JEROME, 400 A.D.)
Well looks like the church screwed it up for 1400 years while it was said in latin. Glad you're here to fix things. Maybe tell the hoards of people who apostatised since your glorious novas ordo was promulgated. It's in the vulgar and they still don't get it.
This is the way it was meant to be. The priest was supposed to lead us all into prayer to God - that's why he faced the altar, not the parishioners. By facing the parishioners the focus of the congregation was on the priest, not on God. When the priest faced the altar we were ALL experiencing God together. The focus was on God. The priest only faced the congregation during the homily and when he administered the eucharist. This is so beautiful.
When I was learning of the Latin Mass before attending one, I was told that the priest facing the Crucifix was because he was acknowledging his place with the congregation as a sinner in need of the grace of God in the Mass.
@Abraham The Poor so does our catholic brothers and sisters of eastern rite. Honestly, i almost considered converting to orthodoxy because of the preservation of your divine liturgy. I almost did until I knew all these things about vatican 2 which began around 1962 onwards. I'm a devout catholic and I am all for TLM to be back and have a deep respect for tradition but I also don't want to turn my back on st Peter's successor by going to orthodoxy. I won't leave the catholicisim just because of its errors because I know orthodox ain't perfect either, its just that the errors of the catholic chucrh are more magnified throughout the world because it's the largest. Along with the 23 eastern catholics, I will have faith on what Jesus himself promised that the gates of Hades will not prevail
@Abraham The Poor My first reaction on seeing this video was that I recognize Orthodox service in that. Not having a piano/organ music and only candlelight (no electrical lights) intensify the experience.
Even though this production was done in Swedish, I understand the mass, thus, proving that we need to return to the Latin so that all may attend anywhere they go on the face of the earth.
Vernacular can have its place in the liturgy, but Latin-at least for the Ordinary and sometimes for the whole Mass-has that great advantage. I (and the documents of Vatican II, as many people seem to ignore) agree that it should be promoted.
There are other rites that are in communion with the Pope (and thus they are Catholic) which do not use Latin as a liturgical language. The Latin rite, however, is far larger.
@@francophone. We aren't talking about other rites here. And the Eastern rites have their own liturgical languages as well that are not the vernacular. There are Divine Liturgies completely in Church Slavonic for example.
@@necksquad3222 I made no reference whatsoever to vernacular languages. Rather, I made my comment in response to the statement "we need to return to the Latin so that all may attend anywhere they go on the face of the earth".
This can’t be a Mass, surely? I mean, people are actually praying before and after Mass (not having a loud chat to everyone), the priest didn’t tell any jokes, there were no pop songs or guitars, people received Holy Communion in a pious way, the Host wasn’t dropped on trodden on, there was no clapping, people stayed around and prayed after Mass etc etc.
ItsNando20 Yes, that’s right. I was being sarcastic. I thought that was obvious, but I apologise if I offended anyone. Absolutely, the TLM is the most pious way to celebrate the Latin rite. It’s sad that we have been robbed of this in most of our churches in the west. The east still does the traditional Byzantine rite, which is also a liturgy of immense beauty. God bless.
@@reggiestickleback7794 but you need to be a sede, in this situation, to be a Catholic, and not just that, also to assume all the orthodox positions that the Church teaches. You can't accept a heretical council (Vatican II), you can't accept heretical "priests" and neither heretical "popes", errors are totally wrong and must be rejected, they endorse the errors like salvation outside the Church, and if you refuse that dogma, basically means that you don't believe that Christian-Catholicism is the true faith. Then there is also baptism of desire (and blood too) which means that is not totally necessary the baptism of water even if Christ commanded the apostles to baptize all nations. They also promote false ecumenism which is not the true ecumenism that the Church always taught, the ecumenism of return, and they even promote "solidarity" to false religions which are of the devil (as the Ancient Testament says). What about what Francis just said about gay "marriage", those who defend him say that the translation from Spanish is incorrect, yet many medias say that he actually endorsed gay civil union, which even Life Site News and EWTN confirm, two Catholic channels on youtube. Francis also said that "Orthodox" are brothers in faith, which is false as all Christians are united in one body which is the Catholic Church, the "Orthodox" refuse also the figure of the Pope and Papal Infallibility, approve only the first councils, refuse Filioque, approve the heresy of Palamism and more. What about Pachamama? We can't deny that Francis did what he did as many "Catholics" have been outraged from that pagan worship. Too many things are clear, only a fool keeps accepting those things and in the end tolerating them. Even if I exposed all these things which are known, I'm not saying that Catholicism is something of the devil, instead is the opposite, is the true religion of the true God and all people must be in the unity of the Catholic Church and in state of grace to be saved. What we see is Vatican II, the Vatican II Counter Church described in the Apocalypse or Revelation which will replace the physical structured of the Church (Rome example, that will lose the faith as our Lady in La Salette said, that doesn't mean that the Church lost the faith, is impossible, She said Rome, not the Church) we also see Vatican's II heresies and its bad fruits which are more than clear. Do you know Vaticancatholic.com ? Visit their channel and sincerely judge if they are saying the false or the truth ru-vid.com
Highly unlikely, as the subdeacon would have been singing from a Ratisbon Graduale, which isn’t the same melodies as a Solesmes Graduale as used since 1908.
@@admiralbob77 Most of what he is singing are the prayers and hymns that we use now in TLM. I could follow this video with my 1962 missal. He is also singing the (normally) spoken parts of low masses and the responses that the laity now say.
@@rockswapna Yeah, that wouldn't be what I mean (if you're using that standard, most of those "parts" persist in the 1969 missal too). What I mean is that he's singing Ratisbon/Medicean chants, which are not the melodies sung today, as revised by Solesmes in 1908, and they definitely are not keeping you behind a Rood screen at any FSSP mass.
its never coming back and is gone forever. God is punishing the world. this is the end. all the latin masses today are not true priests or true masses. study.
@@lehuynguyen1175 stay home and pray the true mass of st pops pius v from a 1945 missal. that is what true Catholics have no choice but have to do in the world today. also, please watch RU-vid "papal impostors" and google THE FOUR CHAPTERS BY FR JOAQUIM SANS Y ARRIAGA. good luck.
Nick Rossi You said that the Mass is gone forever! Then tell me if that word not trash, then what it is? There still true priests who celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass I have been watching vaticancatholic.com for more than 2 years!
@@Agus39211 I'm not sure how much about Catholic liturgy you know about. However, I'd like to point out that the Missal of 1962 (the current Tridentine missal) is identical to the missal of 1474, aside from added feast days. Aside from the three genuflections at the agnus dei (perhaps a regional practice) this mass is identical to the tridentine mass which I attend every week. Hope that helps.
@@mosesking2923 I would also add to the list of differences these 2 things: the addition of St. Joseph to the Canon, and the revised rite of the Holy Week in 1956 was incorporated into the 1962 missal.
We sing the same introit NOW as was sung then. This eternal liturgy shows the power, efficacy and legitimacy of the old Mass. May it return everywhere throughout Christendom
@@adolphCat it was declared the mass of the ages at Trent, And this version of the mass was before Trent. When the Pope says that the Tridentine mass is the “Mass of the ages” during arguably the 2nd biggest crisis in the church (the first being the crisis going on today). And the Jesuits never reached Oriental Asia until the 1600s, Catholicism was next to none before the Jesuits in most of the world.
@@GQFJB So what do you think of Sarum Rite the pre- Reformation Rite of England or the Gallican Rites of ancient Ireland and France. Or Eastern Liturgies such as the Liturgy of St. James or St. John Chrysostom? Is not the Liturgy of St. James mush older than the Tridentine Rite? What makes one Liturgy the Eternal Liturgy? Now, maybe you are from the vicinity of Rome and so favor for cultural reasons the Tridentine Liturgy, but why force it on other areas of the World that it is not native to? I know many Churches in Lebanon have historically used an Aramaic Liturgy, Aramaic is the Language Jesus used, is the Liturgy of Rome so superior to the Liturgies of the rest of the World? Is Rome's Christian culture superior to all other Christian cultures?
This notion that because it’s good it should be universal flies in the face of the history of liturgy which has usually enjoyed a lot of diversity. Why would the gothic style suit for example Syrians? The chant and ordo are alien to their deeper, more ancient worship traditions rooted in Syrian and Hebrew Christianity. Likewise Egyptians have their own heritage that has withstood Greek-Roman Imperial persecution. Should Armenians worship in an alien language only distantly related to their own when their nation was the first to embrace Christianity as it defined itself separately from Persia? You need to reconsider that Christianity does not belong to Europe.
@@claesvanoldenphatt9972 I believe that many Western Europeans are under the mistake belief that Christianity 1st established herself in Western Europe. Just like it is impossible to be a Protestant and know Church History in the same way it is also impossible to be a Traditionalist Roman Catholic and know Church History. St. Peter never offered a Latin Mass, the 1st Liturgical Language used in Rome was Greek, latter on this was changed to Latin because it was the Latin was the most understood Language in Rome. I think it is imperative to educate people on the 1st 1000 years of Church History. Every people and race should have a liturgy that conforms to the Spiritual needs and mentality of that people group. For people of Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Africa, and Middle East all have ancient Liturgical expressions that do this. The bad thing is that American Indians, in neither North or South America have this as of this time in History and the Faith and commitment to the Church needed to do this is lacking in our time. This may be the work of centuries, when these people slowly adapt the Liturgy given them by the missionaries to their needs. The Church is united throughout the World and throughout time in One Faith, but from the very beginning Liturgical expression varied from one location to another. Sts. Cyril and Methodius, were not afraid to translate and adapt the Liturgy in their missionary efforts among the Slavic peoples, may they pray that all people groups will have and continue to have good Liturgical Rites. Amen!
This is a Swedish production, had no idea it existed thanks for digging it up! Catholics are nowadays (after persecution) a small minority in my country and our priesthood seems sometimes overwhelmed by the amount of work they do for their parishes; and yet I have heard none complain. Keep them in your prayers but more so of course parishes in other parts of the world that suffer persecution more immediately.
Andreas Björn I'm sad for what has happened to your Sweden. But don't feel alone, we here in Ireland are making all of the errors that you Swedes have made in the past in your Country...
As someone who's interested in both history and historical linguistics, and as someone who's studied Latin for four years, this is really interesting to watch.
Mass was changed when I was about 6 years old. My mom said, "Oh no, I don't think so!" and we never went back. Abuses and novelties have multiplied in these fifty some odd years. Let them knock themselves out, they will be back some day. In the meantime, I have my Tridentine Mass. This is our inheritance as Roman Catholics.
Times have changed, it isn't as bad as it was back then. Reverence and the love of liturgy and art have come to the novus ordo. And the youth are responsible. In my parish, I and some other young people taught ourselves gregorian chant. This will be our second sunday mass tomorrow. Our rather young priest exclaimed that his dream of celebrating a fully Latin mass is slowly coming to frutition. Unfortunately, he is being returned to his home diocese, in Mexico. I'm going to ask if we can try to do Good Friday entirely in Latin.
@@jesusacuna309 I am new to the Catholic faith (former Protestant turned Orthodox catechumen, now investigating Catholicism), but I can confirm that the Novus Ordo mass is now better reflecting what Vatican II intended, and not what heretics turned it into. The parish I attend has the NO mass, but it is very reverent, and some of the hymns are sung in Latin by the choir. Beautiful. There is a Latin Mass parish nearby that I plan to visit soon.
@@Gaminglord123 yep, that's the other thing. There are a few odd churches, but in general yeah, it's becoming more reverent. I have my own reasons for believing the old rite itself is better (though the Novus Ordo is, of course, licit and valid), but the church isn't as bad as it was in the 70s. Have you been to an Eastern Catholic church, there might be one near you. Or an Anglican Ordinariate church
Jesus Acuna I looked around but unfortunately there are no Eastern Catholic Churches within about 30 miles of where I live. The Latin parish I plan to visit does have an ordinariate mass on Thursdays I believe, but I’ve been enjoying the Roman rite NO mass I’ve been attending so I’m not really looking for another rite.
@@Gaminglord123 that's good :) I do believe that because you're orthodox, you would be automatically become an eastern Catholic by default because of some ecclesiastic laws, but I'm not sure. And Welcome home :)
This video was made together with the Parrish, Kristi Lekamens Katolska församling i Visby, and sung in one of the medival churches of the Island of Gotland. Anders Piltz, the Priest is a proffesor of latin in Lunds University and also a Catholic Priest. The Cantor is Mattias Östborn also Cantor at the Catholic church of Visby. Al this happend some years ago.
Yes. Thank you. I'm a quarter Swede (my maternal grandmother was born in Sweden), but I do not understand the language. Can you summarize the introduction and the homily for us?
"My spirit rejoices in God my Saviour." I can fully understand this response of Mary in the temple after viewing this worship of God. The Mass was never broken and did not need to be "fixed." From a purely cultural standpoint, the modesty of the clothing brings out the character in the faces of the men, and the beauty in the faces of the women. Thank you for giving us this worship "in the beauty of holiness."
THIS IS INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM CHRISTIAN, BUT NOT CATHOLIC, YET I HAVE LONG APPRECIATED THE TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS A STARK REMINDER OF WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE FOR TIME IMMEMORIAL, BEFORE THE CHEAP TACKY MODERN WORLD THAT WE KNOW WAS EVEN A DREAM IN ANYONE'S MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Europe, what have you done with your Baptism ... Very beautiful service. I'm Russian, and brought up in the Orthodox tradition. And this service of the 15th century I really liked, apparently, because it is very similar to the Orthodox Liturgy.
Follow the Tridentine Mass. You will love it. At the moment however, Rome is in the claws of heresy and apostasy. But the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, which must be the same in essence in Russian Orthodox, will never disappear. It will just be celebrated one day in private homes,.
The "Orthodox" Church is heretical, only the Catholic Church is the only true Church, all heretics and pagans are called to convert to (traditional) Catholicism.
Note the following differences between this mass and some masses in our time: 1. People praying in the church, not socialising, not swapping jokes or stories, but devoutly praying. 2. The ladies have their heads covered. I have gone to traditional masses where the ladies were no veil. 3. No humour. No jokes. No anecdotes. Just the mass, and that is it. 4. No extraneous music. No pianos, flutes, guitars, drums, or even organ. Just Gregorian chant. 5. No "altar girls", "inclusive language", lectors (
Of either gender) or "extraordinary ministers of holy Communion". The priest distributes the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ solo. Lastly, an air of sanctity, not jocularity, festivity, or frivolity. Sanctity.
Dude, I wouldnt wear a buqua and I wont wear a veil for the same reasons. If you wanna go build your own private "No girls allowed " church/clubhouse then maybe you should invent a TARDIS and go back to the 14th century.
@@dannileonard2381 why not? The Bible teaches to cover what is sacred such as the heads of the female. The sanctuary is only for servers and ordained members of the clergy because the whole purpose of serving is for vocations.
@@dannileonard2381 Why are you so rude? Mandatory veiling of women in church is a Scriptural teaching (1 Cor 11). No one is talking about a boys-only clubhouse; we reject Eucharistic ministers of both genders and altar girls.
this was the Mass that civilized the entire world. now it is returning to paganism of the worst kind. johnthebaptist.us gerrymatatics.com and new traditionalcatholics.com and vaticancatholic.com good luck. study and stay home. true catholics today stay HOME
Thurold:: What you mean by "latin mass" is the Roman rite of 1570. It was different from masses 1,000 years earlier which were more like the 1970 rite in some ways, although the choir had its place and there were the ambos or reading places. This can be seen in a few very old Roman churches and in Cappadokkia.
Delawanna: Despite all your "heretics" talk, let us look at the facts. 1) the mass in Rome was originally in Greek for about 200 years. 2)is Latin an article of Faith? NO Cts. Cyril and Methodius were approved by Rome to use Slavonic in their mission. Furthermore, Jesus celebrated the Last Supper probably in Hebrew or a mix of Hebrew and Aramaic, His native language. 3) Did Jesus give communion in both kinds? Do the Eastern Orthodox and other Orthodox churches of the East use both kinds? 4) Did St. John Chrysostom give advice about receiving the host in the hand as a throne wherefrom to take to the mouth? Yes, in 400 AD. 5) is the mass a Sacriice in that it is the Re-presentation of Christ's one and only Sacrifice? Yes. Is that lost? NO. 6) is the mass/liturgy/eucharist a Community worship? Yes. 7) did Jesus celebrate the Last Supper at a table or on an altar? How did early Catholics celebrate the Supper of the Lord? On altars or on tables? Does that change the sense? NO. If there has been any loss in devotion, let us see how we can work to increase it. I do agree that Latin and Gregorian have suffered in use in the last few decades, IN SPITE of having been instructed by the Council that the faithful should know the responses in Latin and that Gregorian should hold a place of honor. That is the fault of Bishops.
Delawanna: --You are so Generic and Theatrical, and, at the same time, Wrong. You answer Nothing concrete to my words. Point our Error of the 3000 bishops and two holy popes. Am I blind, or are you hallucinating?
Delawanna: Indeed, the mustard seed is become a mighty tree as Jesus predicted, but He also said that the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Do you believe that as well?
While it looks very similar the Rite you see in this video isn't the "Traditional Latin Mass" that you see in your parish. The Tridentine Mass (what most folks call the Traditional Latin Mass) was standardized at the Council of Trent in 1563. This Mass is an older Swedish Rite that was most likely replaced by Church discipline with the Tridentine Mass in the 16th century. This rubric is no longer valid today, and probably hasn't been valid since the 16th century...don't blame everything on Vatican II! There are several older Rites that were allowed to continue after the Tridentine Mass, but most were standardized into the Tridentine Mass. E.G. The Dominican Rite is older than the Council of Trent, but was never outlawed.
The John XXIII ‘s mass has never been abolished. A new ordo was made in the 1960s but many priests have decided on their own to change the ritual to make masses more ‘modern’. Little by little parishes are going back to a more ritual mass. At least in Europe. The younger generation of priests is more traditionnal.
@@DominicNJ73 actually, the Church was stronger then. Right now its in shambles. Less people go to church, or believe in God, and their faith isn't as strong
They wouldn’t have been seated during any Mass prior to the 16th century, except in parts of the British Isles and even there that didn’t even begin to appear in some parishes until the 13th century. Pews are something we actually got from the Protestant reformation.
Those Traditionalist heretics polluting the internet with their hatred against Rome and Vatican 2....Very typical Protestant attitude....When will people learn that without Rome, divisions and factions will happen... Eastern Orthodox schism 2018 is proof of that....SSPX are next... Traditional Liturgy will not save you if you are in open rebellion against the successor of St. Peter....
@@krishyyfan5153 The protestant attitude is not given by the trads but by the Novus Ordos. What did the Vatican council 2 did? It changed all the traditional practices of the Church which we treasured for thousands of years. And what did Luther do? The same. The same way Catholics on those days rebelled against Luther so are the Traditionals rebelling against the Novus Ordo Protestants.
We need to bring this back. This is absolutely a beautiful way to worship the Lord. No other religion can ever touch the majesty and beauty of the Latin mass.
All of the ancient rites (the way the Apostles and Church Fathers gave them) are all equally beautiful and holy. The Traditional Latin rite is beautiful, but so are the Byzantine, Chaldean, Syriac and Coptic rites.
It’s not destroyed at all. I have a Tridentine mass in my hometown just 30 minutes away from where I live. There are plenty of you know where to look for them.
This is the pre-Tridentine Mass. The Tridentine Mass was instituted 100 years after the use of this Mass. I am trying to find a text of it. Sadly, I don't know enough Swedish to understand the homily.
I spent a long time looking at Catholicism, but was eventually drawn towards Orthodoxy where I am today. But I find it still so heartbreaking to my Catholic friends in the faith who suffer so much at the hands of liturgy that can be described as nothiing short of ugly. The NO has caused so much harm to the faithful, and those who care little for liturgy are the ones in charge of maintaining it. What is even more sad is that this video is labeled as historic. This simply is not how the mass is celebrated anymore save for a few pockets here and there. This beautiful expression of the faith has been lost to the corners of history, and exists only as a memory of a memory. I pray that there is a revival and love for the need of beauty in worship. Beauty will save the world
Almost the same as in my Latin Mass community today in Poland, however some parts we sign together. Truly universal (i.e. catholic) Mass, not only geographically but also crossing the boarders of time. I think our community in Poland in 21st century has more common understanding of the Catholic Church with 15th century village community in Sweden than with most bishops (including this one in Rome) currently.
I was able to follow most of it using a 1962 roman missal. This was very beautiful. I appreciate it. Thanks. If you are looking to do a sequel I'd be very interested in watching a Nuptial Mass, circa 1450.
The 1962 Missal was created by John 23 a freemason. It is a mockery and an apeing of the true CANONIZED MASS OF ST POPE PIUS V. Get a real 1950 missal at www.daughtersofmarypress.com for $63. THAT is the real mass. stay home. pray it every day and 15 decades of the real rosary. www.newtraditionalcatholics.org. slaves of mary. goodl luck. stay home. BE CATHOLIC.
the novus ordo is not protestant. it is Satanic. This is and was the true Catholic Mass and now its gone from the entire world and so isnt the Apostolic Succession. good luck figuring it all out. It only took me 12 years. www.vaticancatholic.com and newtraditionalcatholics.com
Beautiful, wonderful! Tradition is something so sublime and timeless that one can notice the few and small changes that the liturgy had before the Second Vatican Council.
Thanks be to God that this Beautiful Mass is coming back to us today! I attend every sunday at the Beautiful St. Francis de Sales and get to take part in the beauty that is the tridentine Mass. Thanks be to God!
Wow! An iconostasis without icons, but a closer approximation to the design of the Temple with the Holy of Holies somewhat separating the people from the inner sanctum. After Pascha we keep open the doors of the altar space to show the mystery to the people during the joyful post Paschal period. This makes me want to attend an Orthodox Western Rite Divine Liturgy. 🙏🏻☦️🙏🏻 As a former Roman Catholic whose father’s Faith was almost wrecked by V2, but who died in the Sacraments of his beloved Roman Catholic Church, this gives hope.
An excellent reproduction. Some extended commentary on the various parts, and their relation to the eventual Tridentine model, would be most illuminating.
Thanks. That would explain at least a few things, but I'm surprised they didn't show the preparation of the gifts before the Mass proper. That would have been a very distinct characteristic when compared to the Roman Mass.
What do you mean by the preparation of the gifts? In the eastern rites it is before the Mass. But I've never heard of such thing in terms of a latin liturgy.
The gifts of bread and wine are prepared before the beginning of Mass proper in the Dominican Rite, just as they are in the Byzantine Rite. You can learn more about certain differences by way of this entry in Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Rite#Distinctive_marks_of_the_Dominican_Rite
Apart from the Introit and psalms/responses/readings etc which change daily this is like the mass I would normally attend daily. God willing the monastery churches will soon be open to those from without the enclosed walls soon. The main parts of the service were unchanged from today, but then the mass itself is over 1000 years old, and it really hasn't changed. Deo gratis.
If I’m not mistaken in the 15th century there were several approved rites, this was apparently the Roman rite, but at this time in parts of England the Sarum rite was in common use, there were several other National/regional rites in common use and various religious orders with their own rite (these wouldn’t be all that common for parish use). Rome clamped down in the late 16th century as part of the counter reformation taking strict control and making the Roman rite the universal usage.
Wow! This is so beautiful and timeless, I go every Sunday to a traditional mass when possible and I see it's nearly exactly the same. I feel sad now because the novus ordus changed this a lot. People from that time would find the current mass very strange and wouldn't understand what's going on because it is not in Latin anymore. Back then a person from any country in the world could find the same mass in any other place.
Father Anders was my confirmation priest! 🤓 BTW, here the Lectio Divina, Credo, Pater Noster, and Ave Maria, are all delivered in medieval Swedish for added realism. But other than the - very appreciated - "LARP" elements, it's pretty much the 1962 Mass..!
One thing I notice about this Mass is that it is shorter than some Novus Ordo masses I have attended. The problem begins when some of the unneeded pleasantaries by the priest during the beginning and then some of them preach lengthy sermons. And then there is this choirs that sing modern songs, mostly praise and worship songs lifted from the Protestants.
As someone who has done lots of family research it was cool to discover a link to 2 distant relatives who both were Roman Catholic clergymen (many kinsmen have been priests even after that) in the same time period (15th century), and now see how they would have served in mass . One was the last RC bishop of Turku/Åbo before the reformation and the second a priest in Stockholm.
This Mass is beautiful and reverent but most importantly more accurately reflects the Catholic doctrine of the Mass. All of the prayers and every gesture and movement of the priest and those serving, reflects doctrine. The new Mass has missing from it many doctrines and concepts that are in this 15th century Mass. The new Mass is not, as they used to erroneously tell us in Catholic school, as children, just a translation from Latin to English, and that otherwise, everything is still the same. The law of praying is the law of believing (Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi). Read the prayers of this Mass or other traditional Masses in English translation if you do not know Latin and then compare to today's Mass, and you will see the difference in what is presented and what has been deleted. The question is, why not offer to God and to the faithful a more complete worship?
I kept having to remind myself that this was an reenactment or representation of the Mass in 1500s and that I was not peering back in time as if in a time warp. I am fortunate enough to remember the Tridentine Mass before Vatican 2 , and how much majesty,solemnity and reverence was present.I also remember that in those days before the Vatican 2 mandatory change , we in grade school attended mass every morning before classes,had the full Stations of the Cross ,then with the processing of the Eucharist and then Benediction during Lent with full choir and organ. This was all other worldly and extraordinary worship for me as a child and something I absolutely absorbed and relished . Sadly and unfortunately with diabolical pleasure and great haste all was thrust aside immediately to impose the repulsive change in the Ancient and Familiar Liturgy of The Mass and with it the absolute devastation of our Roman Catholic religion and culture and civilization. Witness the horrendous sacrilegious desecration and destruction or repurposing of altars , churches, monasteries and convents,schools and hospitals and the priesthood,religious institutions etc.. What all this War on God’s people and his Church to make religion more relevant to the time and world ??? And WHO did Christ say was the PRINCE OF THIS WORLD.
One thing was done incorrectly. The Catholics did not start crossing themselves left shoulder to right shoulder until the following century. Prior to the 16th century, they crossed themselves the same way as the Orthodox. Other than that, this was beautifully done.
Actually according to most scholars, including Rev. Valentin Thalhofer, it was Pope Innocent III in the very early 13th century who brought about the change in the sign of the cross, which had attained popularity after the council of Nicea, though evidence shows that the tradition's roots could be found in 2nd century Christian communities. While traditionally one blessed himself from right to left, as the right side has always held a place of importance in scripture, He contested that reversing the order was necessary because a Christian moves from “misery” (left) to “glory” (right) “just as Christ crossed over from death to life.” Later medieval scholars would claim that the change was because Jesus went from death (left, misery) to life (right, glory.)
I've never heard that explanation before. I certainly have never heard of it going back to Nicea. Do you have any source material for the Nicea claim? As for my own statement, I have heard it from Dr. Scott Hahn as well as several RC priests I have known. I am a trained historian, so if you have more data, I'd love to see it.
I may have to reread Pope Innocent III's actual words but I'm fairly certain that is inaccurate. From what I remember, he stated that they (the Romans) used the right to left and three finger crossing. He merely explained in that same writing that some others cross themselves differently and explained why (which is the explanation you gave). He doesn't advocate for changing to the latter practice at all. In fact, he seems indicate that the right to left was the more generally used practice.
What a sharp contrast to the novus ordo missae now called the 'ordinary mass' and promulgated by Paul VI to adapt to Protestants who found the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass a separation and an offense to them. They could not receive the Eucharist . Only those in union with the Roman Catholic Church and submit to Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and Magisterium, the three Pillars of the True Church can receive the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ in the True Mass.
This is wonderful and a reflection of what the ritual of the church once was. On the other hand, the Last Supper - at which Christ instituted the Eucharist - was Christ at table with his disciples. He did not institute the Eucharist with His back to his colleagues. I was brought up in the Latin Mass tradition, and have lived through the Vatican II changes, and I feel much more involved in the Mass now than I ever did then - although I still love what is now stupidly called the "Extraordinary Rite"!
Beautifully done. Probably would have had much more refined Vestments and the laity chanting the major parts of the Mass with the priest, such as the Kyrie, the Sanctus and the Gloria. The priest may also have explained parts of the Mass to the Faithful during the Mass in their vernacular language. The Council of Trent mandated that this be done frequently, so that the people would understand what is going on. It is difficult for a Protestant country to know the refinement, high civilization, schools, hospitals, universities, literature of the Great Age of Faith, as much false literature has been circulated about everything being "gross" &"dark" during these times. Does this Chant sound gross and "dark"? Then why would the rest of the Catholic world be so? The Tridentine Mass continues. Look on-line for Latin Mass (Tridentine) locations. And any priest can say it, as this is canon law.
This here would have occured a century before Trent and is probably supposed to reflect the reality of a rural parish which would not have had a lot of resources, hence a more simple and austere liturgy. Regarding lay participation, they would have been less educated with less resources than us and seeing that this occured centuries before the Liturgical Movement and the Pray the Mass Movement, minimal active participation might be reflective of the reality of this particular setting here.
Thank you! This is exactly how Mass is said in the Society of Saint Pius X. We will be, God Willing, Received into The one holy catholic and apostolic Church tomorrow in the Diocese of Great Britain by SSPX priests. Fellow faithful will be there. The ceremony will be after Mass tomorrow morning. We will make a major confession and make our declaration of faith.
Benedict XVI lifted the ban on the Latin Rite that John XXIII put in place. Many churches now offer both. The Society of St Pius X celebrate the Latin Rite exclusively. The Second Vatican Council basically destroyed almost 2000 years of tradition, all in the name of ecumenism.
Younger generations is actually going back to what we have before. In my case i appreciate both NO and EF form. Because both of them Celebrate the Holy Sacrifice if the mass
Jesus doesn't need to conform to us, we need to conform to him. The "Novus Ordo" spectacle (because that's what it is) is not a Catholic Mass. Our Lady has basically told us that. Who is anyone else to object? Latin is just one of the few great thing that makes us ROMAN Catholic. We'll keep self elevating ourselves until The King re-educates us on whose throne is it. He has said the second time won't be delicate.
Unity in the faith, not in language. It is true that we have to bring more solemnity to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, but this s the thing. We could dominate all languages and sciences, human and angelical, but if we dont have faith, we are like empty bells, said Saint Paul. Mass is to be celebrated in the most respectful form, but it has to be understandable to God's people. Besides, St Peter was given authority by Christ himself, but it didnt enforce any language or standard rite. Every Catholic in any part of the world celebrates Christ's resurrection in different ways. So it has to be unity in our faith in Christ and in the meaning of the Holy Mass, which is salvation in the Most Holy Body and Blood of Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
So amazing to hear Latin spoken. I hear so many familiar words from knowing some French and Spanish. Yes I know those langages do come from Latin. Still it is so amazing to recognize so many words. 😇
Krzysztof Kruczyński The everyday habit and liturgical vestments are different. What I don't understand is why the vestment is not green, seeing that it is an Ordinary Sunday.
That's because green for ordinary Sundays only became the rule under the 1570 Roman Missal. Different localities in the Middle Ages (which would have had either their own local variations - 'uses' - of the Roman Rite anyway, or a different liturgical rite altogether) used different color schemes. In some places, red was apparently the Sunday color. (Of course you have to remember that many medieval churches - especially rural parish churches - were too poor to own vestment sets of every liturgical color. In reality, they would have just used whatever they had on hand.)
The Dominican rite is a compromise between the Use of Paris and Use of Rome for the sake of unity among the friars who came from every corner of Europe. The mass as celebrate in this video is an example of Roman rite as it was in North of the Alps before Trent.
now it would be helpful for the rest of the world to put subtitles in that video, I guess the non-latin parts are Swedish? It would be really great if somebody would bother to translate. Great video anyway!!
Today is the 18th Sunday after Pentecost in the Extraordinary Form calendar. I went to Mass today, and it was almost word by word the same Mass. Even the propers, like the Introit, the Collect, the Bible readings, the Preface. All the same. There were some small differences in the video: One more sentence at the Asperges Me, no response to the Orate Frates, the sermon was after the Credo, not before, the priest didn't genuflect before the elevation of the Eucharistic Species, and there was no reading of the Last Gospel. The only big visual difference is the liturgical color, that is green in the time after Pentecost, and in the video the priest is wearing red. I don't know if the reconstruction researchers forgot to check the color, or if there is another reason for red. But, in any way, it is a remarkable similarity between a Mass from 500 years ago and today's. It goes to show that the Tridentine Mass was not a new creation, but a standardization to preserve protestant modifications to the Mass. One thing in this video that I thought was awesome, and better than the Liturgy I attended, is how it was solemn, but at the same time, simple! One priest, one singer and one altar server, and they delivered an awesome sung Mass. The Mass I attended was pretty good, sure, but they had several singers and an organ. May this video be an example for modern churches, that you don't need much to have a beautiful and dignified Mass!
Side note: if you want to be a real OG, fasting from midnight before the traditional mass (including abstaining from water) until the mass is done the next day. Thats how they used to do it. I will try it this sunday wish me luck!
I am totally in ore of this production. I do have one question. When the Priest went into the Sanctuary the first time, why did he not "kiss" or acknowledge the relic in the Altar? I am just learning about the Latin Rite (as part of conversion), but my former Priest said that all clergy should Honour the Altar whenever they are robed. Is this correct? Beautiful production, but subtitles would have helped a lot. Thank you
I understand the mass based on going to latin mass now! How awesome. I recognize it. I know it. I am at home here . It's the post concilliar mass that is incomprehensible to the Catholic soul. The bishops and princes of the Church have oppressed the sheep snd sent us into the wilderness.
Looks pretty much the same as modern extraordinary form. Except for the screen separating the laity-- they still use that in Orthodox and Byzantine churches tho
@@johnking5174 It is not to separate the congregation from the celebration, but to separate the earthly from the heavenly; it acts as a theological barrier, i.e. the rood screen symbolizes the gates of heaven. It does not act as a physical barrier or to prevent the participation of the lay-people. God-bless.
This must be a rood screen. According to my readings, it has a separate development from that of the iconostasis. Ironically, you will not see rood screens in historic Catholic churches but you will find them in old Protestant churches. The Council of Trent prohibited rood screens (I forget why).
I came across a video on U/Tube It is of an American Soldier talking about his experience in the civil war . H ed was born in 1846 he was 16 years old when he joined . The video shows pictures of him and his group at mass in a tent. You got it the Priest is in it and his vestments and black hat are the exact same as the Priests wore in Ireland when I was a child. I was 17 when it was changed.
I have switched to TLM about eight years ago and this is it for me. It's good to know that most of the different parts of the Mass have been retained. But can someone tell me if I saw it correctly, that the people did not receive Holy Communion. How can that be?
We have a great priest in my area who periodically celebrates a High Mass in Latin...and it's SO MUCH longer than this, Like 80 minutes or more! I dont know if that's because it's a more formal version, or because this is edited to really only show you the action, and omits how long things actually take to prepare and occur.
