History of AMD CPUs As Fast As Possible 

Zen is the best thing ever happened to the world of PC's

@@sheltonpicardo2161 yeah the pricing is just heavenly

@@alihassan4060 also the new athlons for broke people... It's also amazing

@@kumbaya69421 oh yeah I'm rocking it with a 1050ti I'm going to upgrade to a 2600

Ryzen is the best

Yep 3600 working well.

John Yang NO zen 3

@@poust5898 it's zen 2, the 2xxx series is zen+

Yeah, now AMD is king

And here we are with AMD Epyc being crowned as king of server CPUs

Makes me think of how I built together stuff instead of reading the manual.

sidharth cs They paid engineers $100 an hour to do it.

I am wonder why not bought 1 and examine it under microscope, by the way they save money by just studying picture.

@@thatsawesome2060 If I remember correctly, they took that photo during the conference way before those chips hit the shelves

amd is part of the reaon I want to go into computer engineering and computer science

Intel: made the x86 architecture

@@electronichaircut8801 Obsolete. Next !

@@anant6778 But it is what drove the computer industry forward.

@@electronichaircut8801 Intel also made pipelining .

@@electronichaircut8801 To which AMD also made contributions I guess

*cooking steak.

*Cooking ramen

*Cooking egg fried rice

Intel for gaming as you can always cook food if you get hungry during a gaming session.

@@standupyak meh

Still more believable than saying Intel would make i7s with more than 4 cores

@@d9zirable Did intel ever said that? They must've really Forgotten the I7 6600u but the reason Why it has 2 cores is because it's an "Ultra low power" CPU When it's an i7

@@d9zirable The Core i7-980X was a 6-core CPU (the very first consumer one), and was launched in March of 2010. It also cost more than a grand...

@@frozenturbo8623 Some modern _Celerons_ have 4 cores, though.

@@alexander_strachan those are atom based cores they are very weak but still better compared to the 7th gen i3s and i5s

Hey want 64 cores?

@@101-cesaraugusto7 you want 128 cores?

@@pret5675 you want 256 cores?

@@dxnjhull you want 512 cores?

@@giannis0802 you want 1024 cores?

And now, 4th generation!

Lol. On it's knees? They are still making a far higher profit, and still the fastest in gaming. And there's a new process node coming next year rumored to be up to 5.5ghz out of the box. AMD best not get complacent because "muh 7nm" because Intel has reckt them every single time they caught up

@@eclipsegst9419 Yay Intel! +5% performance for $200 more!

more like +15% better latency and +15% better single and quad core for +30~50 bucks. well worth it to have the best.

@@eclipsegst9419 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QZAqV6yo2vo.html Use it well.

And in June Intel said benchmarks should not be done 😂😂

Then came Zen 3😂😂😂....now it's crushing intel🤣🤣🤣

@@aashaykadu9154 RDNA2 is out and they beat Nvidia too

watching this in November 2020 and shit has gotten worse for Intel 😂😂😂

@@jodinha4225 well.....close. But not exactly. They beat the RTX 3090 but the 3080 and 3070 is still decent for the price point as it's competitor is still 80 dollars more expensive (with the extra VRAM on the 6800 it is worth it) for roughly the same performance. And there is always that performance tilt whenever software comes out that tilts performance in the favour of Nvidia mostly. And newer cards are also rumoured to be coming out on the side of Nvidia (3050,3060ti,3080ti). So while AMD has the upper hand on non-rtx gaming on paper at least, I wouldn't exactly say their goose is cooked like intel.

Stop it he is already dead

2020: Ryzen 4000 is announced. Intel starts writing their own will.

intel literally just had a record breaking quarter. They aint getting demolished by anything anytime soon.

@@Ahmedinhooo AMD already "bulldozed" Intel see what I mean 😂

@@Ahmedinhooo but , can they lower their processor price?

yep

ryzen was released in like i think 2016 and this video was made in 2015. oof

Isn’t ryzen a part of AMD?

Cicero 219 right before my comment was posted someone wrote one that said something like “AMD is better than Ryzen”. I guess after I wrote my comment he deleted his?

@@dark_ops1651 LMAO

No, I'm watching this while 2nd gen Ryzen CPUs are still floating around the media.

me

Sashank Sharma-- I'm currently revisiting a lot of my fave TechTubers old content, and going through these comments have reminded me how happy I am AMD was able to weather the storm of shady practices Intel slammed them with that almost sank AMD as a whole. It's crazy it's taken this frigging long for AMD to shake that massive setback off & finally be able to come back stronger than ever. I mean, seriously, it's amazing to see Intel against the ropes after so many years of complacency stemming from their lazy attitude that they've adopted after nearly wiping out their competition with their filthy ass underhanded practices. Intel is actually acting AFRAID of each AMD unveiling now!!!

I'm watching this after the Threadripper 2 leaks.

DestroyerJ69 G4L price announced and confirmed

+iDeNoh But Linus is sponsored by Intel so he won't say it.

+iDeNoh Minus the buying out manufactures, the other techniques are used tons. look at the whole Apple pc vs windows pc adverts that went on for ages taking the piss out of windows :/ Most companies do not fight fair. AMD also had more problems than just intel to deal with at the time, mostly them trying to chew more than they could eat :/

+Lucas S I'd totally forgotten about my main point when I commented on this, but do a quick search on google for "Intel Compiler cripples AMD CPU", this was the main dirty bit that I wanted to bring up, Intel was caught using horribly inefficient code to cripple AMD performance on any code compiled using their compilers. From what I understand they started doing this shortly after K8 was launched, and have since received a cease and desist. The worst part? As far as I am aware *they are still doing it*.

***** I did a quick search, noone says it happens for sure. just that they think it happened. couldn't find a reliable source to confirm anything, and i don't wanna point fingers without having hard evidence to back up that point. but yes it is possible that it happened

Lucas S Not sure how to link in youtube comments so I'll send you a message, but essentially there is a reddit post with a dozen or so links that provide information about this, as well as one from the FTC back in 2010 documenting how intel is now required to disclose the fact that its compilers discriminate between intel and non-intel CPUs.

+BOBdotEXE ARM was pushed by a company working from a garage^^

+MatzeGamer which makes it even more interesting !

+BOBdotEXE there is a video already about ARM

Khalid Abu Shawarib Not about ARM's history.

+MatzeGamer like everything haha

Via=What was I doing again?

Zilog = I liked it 8 Bit Motorola = Am I'm a Joke to you? MOS = Yes, you are to me Oh and: Texas Instruments = Well, we should have sticked to calculators.

Oh, and before I forget: IBM = We formerly did something with computers and processors. What was it again?

@@theq4602 kotlek geteyefo

@@acmenipponair What's MOS? Didn't even know TI made processors except for specialized modem chips you'd find in routers etc. Oh and don't forget PowerPC and MIPS

no I mean intel paying to stock Intel over AMD products, which completely demolished AMD over a period of two years. www.reuters.com/article/us-intel-court-eu-idUSKBN0EN0M120140612

+Zoe Guerra Intel has been under numerous investigations from various companies over their dealings. They even engaged in corporate sabotage.

When the case Zoe talks about happened, AMD was actually out-innovating Intel and had better CPUs. Due to Intel's actions though, AMD was pushed out of the market, continued to run into more and more debt and had no money to develop new competitive product lines, had to give up its FAB and has been on the verge of bankruptcy ever-since. In retrospect that EU fine was too little too late, it couldn't stop Intel turning the CPU business into a monopoly.

Good God Zoe...

Makes me wonder, how come there wasn't a class action lawsuit?

There's two of them

+TheElectric Miner 5

OMG LINUS FIX IT PLS OR DELETE VIDEO IM GONNA DIE

Why? It'll fix it self once it goes into the socket.

yea that cpu is screwed. quite a few bent.

oh yeah they did

Papi John now up to 32 cores lmao

@@AlejandroBertinelli what 32 cores? You mean 64 core EPYC? :D

Epyc aint for gaming dunce

3rd gen 16 core mainstream 4.7 ghz ABSOLUTE UNIT.

It is interesting how 16 cores was amazing just 2 years ago. Now we start to see 16 cores on mainstream systems, without the need to go to HEDT motherboards. Meanwhile when intel dominated we had 6 years of quadcores ...

yep. same thing happened when i was installing ubuntu to my chromebook.

Even Windows use the term 'AMD64' for all the 64-bit O/S files.

+Sumit Chakraborty Those are still x86 based cpus, but with 64-bit instruction set.

There is no such thing as x64. It's always been x86. That's the architecture. There are two main versions, x86_-2 and x86-64. Last two numbers signify the bits. x86-32 is often abbreviated to x86 while x86-64 is said to be AMD64 or x86-64 as is. *BUT*, AMD64 is NOT the same thing as x86-64. Intel64 is Intel's version of the AMD64. There are small differences but otherwise they act similar so they are considered the same for most intents and purposes, so AMD64 stuff works on Intel64 99.99% of the time. The relatively common exceptions, and pretty rare at that for traditional desktop/laptops, are the architectures. They are as follow: Advanced Reduced instruction set computing (RISC) Machine [aka ARM ] , Power Architecture, and Intel Itanium. And their variants as follow: ARM (32bits), ARM64; Performance Optimization With Enhanced Reduced instruction set computing (RISC) [POWER](32bits), PowerPC (64bits), IA-64 Intel Itanium, or IA-64 was the original success for intel to the 32bits x86, but it never cached on (mainly because it was a different architecture), and thank god it didn't.

ITK r/woooooosh

xplus93 that sounds fabulous

Faps

GlobalFoundries, Samsung, TSMC, ...

Lol 🤣

Yeah lmao considering the sleeping giant intel has been awoken

@@chudthug it's too little too late. AMD looks to good to beat.

@@SterlingSword98 no

I'm sorry, I'm going to have to see it to believe it. Lol. Cheers

Sedij doubtful. 10th gen will all have hyperthreading so the 3950X will be the best consumer cpu for content creation but most intel cpus will probably be better for games

@@animalcell3872 cope more

Croatian Eagle wtf does that mean..?

@Dorian Grey To be fair he's not wrong. Hyperthreading across the board is happening. Good to see competition from both now.

@Dorian Grey It won't help? Are you sure? 8 Core 16 Thread i7 for $360. That's competitive! I love AMD, but don't count Intel out just yet. Intel is in fact a much larger company. This isn't a battle of titans, its titan vs a midget

even funnier now than it was 10 months ago.

now it's even funnier when you consider amd absolutely obliterated intel and somehow matched with nvidia (minus ray tracing, dlss). But don't worry amd is also developing fidelityfx (their version of dlss) to counter nvidia. This will end the monopoly of nvidia in the gpu market.

@@grossly820 it already has ended the monopoly in most budget areas regarding GPUs to be honest and this is such a good thing for the consumer. I just hope intel won't stay far behind forever in the CPU department cause there is a good chance AMD will be the new Intel if their new price premium on the 5000 series CPUs are any indication.

Same here :D

+TheFlacker99 (Flak) 6100 + A4 4300m in the laptop

+TheFlacker99 (Flak) Raise that 5 CPU bro!

Amd fx-8350 user here (8 cores)

+TheFlacker99 (Flak) 4350 user

More like "fuck capitalism". If the main motive is profit, that's usually what you'll get. Even AMD in the end, that's all they want. They just don't do illegal ways to achieve it. Everyone says competition is good for the consumer. Well, that really is not true unless all you think of is in a box. It's terrible for the environment and a tremendous waste of resources, time, and human effort. You basically got two companies researching the same shit to keep catching up to one another for money. And when (not so much an "if" because power concentrates naturally) a monopoly forms, all the R&D, the progress, and research stops. Because the profit motive makes it that since competition factor is no longer a thing, the best way to achieve that profit is to simply increase the price of your products as high as you want because there is effectively infinite demand. Infinite demand is part of the reason why markets fail in some industries and why designation as "public utilities" are a thing. supply and demand is a model, not the rule. The reason I'm mentioning this is because CPU's are pretty much a necessary commodity nowadays, as in the sense of communications, water, food, and everything else. Cooperation is way better than competition because resources can be pooled and be far more efficiently allocated. The problem with this is that it can lead to collusion [doing good to those involved but hurting all else] or backstabbing [hurting one and benefiting the other] under capitalism. The latter of which happened to AMD as explained in this video (although that isn't really cooperation as much of a licensing agreement). Cooperation can work however in any system that is not capitalism. That ain't corporate thinking. That's your mind on capitalism. No amount of state regulation statism or right-libertarianism will change that as long as our fundamental system stays the same. You want to get rid of this? Then your only choices are fascism or socialism, both or which are better but for starkly and contrasting reasons and approaches different reasons. Also feudalism, but there isn't any serious traction for that these days. I'd be damned if anyone reads all of this tbh.

read all of it

MeGusta GameStation Communist detected

@@PFAlt We work with the best system, and until we find one better than capitalism, we'll stick with what we've got.

@@PFAlt I read it

+DH Shawon Hello again. ,':)

xD

+DH Shawon Add 3dfx in there since they were pretty much the pioneers of real 3d stuff.

If you call it a monopoly. I mean, if Wendy's has better food for the same price as McDonalds, it isn't a monoply. McDonalds needs to rethink their food, it isn't a monopoly if the other company screws up.

Well AMD's been forced to stick with the 32nm process for a while now. Intel has had a monopoly on 22nm and now 14nm processes.

AMD has been producing 14nm for a short while now. I think they've been using Samsung's process. This was announced a few weeks ago.

Of course this was for their GPUs. In order to make the break into the CPU market they'll actually need to build their own factories again and invest more in R&D.

AMD seems like they're stuck in the low end of both the CPU and GPU market at the moment. They don't really have any chips (AFAIK) which can compete with the high end Nvidia or Intel products. Thankfully their pricing reflects their low end performance, but they are cut out of a significant portion of the market until they can catch up in performance.

I come from an even further future. AMD is just about to release the most powerful gaming CPUs, and intel has no clue what to do about it.

I come from an even further future. AMD is just about to release the most powerful gaming CPUs, and intel has no clue what to do about it.

@@nathangamble125 and intel is fucked. Hell yeah. #teamredforever

Intel can only make laptop CPUs now, AMD'S Ryzen 3000 and Epyc 7002 pushed them out of servers and desktops.

@@bananya6020 We're like 3 weeks away from CES 2020. Which is when AMD will reveal 7nm Zen 2 apu's and talk about 7nm+ Zen 3 ryzen cpu's.

+Lati Sullivan neither was Duron

+Lati Sullivan Or Opteron.

+Lati Sullivan or Turion..

+LadBooboo The naming scheme lmao

+Lati Sullivan Sempron was basically amd's version of a celeron processor. Cheap cheap cheap. And it show's on both of them.

+IRNatman I'm also looking forward to Zen, even though I read they will be DDR4 compatible only? Either way if they perform good, prices could drop a lot both on AMD and Intel chips. Which is always good for the consumer and PC enthusiasts.

same just at 4.3 ghz here.

same just at 4.3 ghz here.

len5465 Well said! Competition is good for everyone. If AMD can be competitive again, prices will drop and CPUs will advance quicker, like in the Athlon 64 x2 days. It forced Intel to get off their asses and make the legendary Core 2 CPUs.

yeah I still use an Athlon 64 X2 4400+ in my 2nd-ary pc

+Duck Shit CPU's in overpriced calculators, the end

you almost had go of the deep end buddy.

+waterlubber Not a big fan of snap dragon I guess. There's probably a Texas Instrument chip in your cellphone.

+hussein hussein I have an HTC One with a Qualcomm 810. it's a great hand warmer.

Mason Bulot They got Jim Keller working on their 2016~2017 mobile processors as we speak. Hopefully he'll work magic like he did with Apple.

+Petar-Vertex It's on. :D

+Chiro thanks bro for letting me know! :D

Hahahahahha :D I already watched it in 1080p. :D

+Petar-Vertex you welcome

Pencil trick?

@@legokenobi1185 So 2000s

@@legokenobi1185 Conductive pencils are used to increase the connectivity between the nodes in order to overclock then when there is no XPS and other things like BIOS settings and all

"Graphics Cards"... "Low prices"...

+Maxxarcade Hey Maxxarcade, small world. I've been in the AMD camp for a similarly long time, however, in the past that didn't stop me from owning the odd Intel CPU here and there when a particularly attractive one came out. The nail in the intel coffin for me however was when I bought the massively expensive P4 3.0Ghz which had a huge thermal throttling problem. Due to Intels f**k you attitude about it at the time, I will probably never own another intel CPU again, throwing a few hundred bucks down the drain leaves a sour taste for a long time. Anyway, really hoping the Zen is something special

+arcadeuk Funny you say that, did you see my PC Upgrade Epic Fail video? Luckily I got a new board and CPU, and the system is great now.

I've watched all your audio vids, but not the PC ones, I will check it out

Eeeewwwww, a brony

+Michael Tarantolo So?

This is another issue, sadly expectations from amd, as shown in he comment are now so low, since that chip we've have the 4790k and now the 6700k, both of which improved upon the 4770k in about 5 percent increments. I'd love for amd do give the z170 i7s and the 5820k on x99 a good run for there money, but sadly I don't think they will

+lbochtler They don't have to topple the 4790ks single core performance. If they are within 10 or 15% of the 4790k IPC wise but unlike the 4790k zen comes with 8 true cores and 16 threads in total. Not to mention the fact you can still oc zen to match the 4790ks IPC.

+hussein hussein just stop

Xbox GT: xJ33Px Go home penguins, you're drunk.

+hussein hussein Having 8 cores is just pointless, most programs don't use more than 4 cores. having extra cores won't help what so ever. and reports say that zen is worse than sandy bridge, but that's rumours we will find out soon enough. Really they have to beat the new skylake processors for them to catch my attention. they can stick 20 cores on this thing but if it doesn't run IPC as well then forget it

Love your videos :D

+Ben G Hate your videos

+Christo Frank Well.

you make great videos

+vwestlife I'm a new sub, and I really enjoy your content too.

It's much harder to produce robust multi-threading software than most folk might think: more complexity, risk of running into deadlocks and race conditions etc. That's why as a programmer I'd rather code single-threaded, well-tested, easy to understand applications -- with an optional capability to run the same simple program two or four times simultaneously (task-/process-level SIMD). It's not optimal for multi-core CPUs, but it's so much simpler and more elegant.

+Deepee Ayadges this, one hundred times

If you're using a chip with hyperthreading (i.e. 2 threads per core) that comes to a requirement of 2 cores. Congrats, you need a dual core.

Not really, most games and softwares require a quad or dual core. And even if it's just one high powered core it won't really be good in other softwares.

Yes, but AMD started producing 6, and 8 core CPUs that were as strong as intel's 4 core CPUs. Even if the game/program uses 4 cores evenly (most don't) an intel CPU would still be twice as strong as an 8 core fx chip. (Because of double single core performance and the 4 wasted cores in the fx chip) Amd just started throwing more cores in CPUs for marketing, because in benchmarks that use all the cores evenly it would *_look_* like their CPUs were on par with intel's CPUs, and tons of people fell for this.

I'm still using 2009 phenom II x3 710

Ancient Wheel-- My sons PC is currently running my old Phenom II 955 Black Edition cpu with 16GB of Corsair Vengeance 2400 RAM and an 8GB rx470, and it runs games like Metro: Last Light, Doom 3, Left4Dead 1&2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Borderlands 2 and so many others SURPRISINGLY WELL at 1080p! For awhile I had thought about upgrading it with an 8350 or somesuch, but honestly, it does so well that I'll just move it up to an AM4 like mine once he really needs a more powerful rig

I was given a pc with a 2005 intel core 2 duo

@@urdaddywingnut7820 parenting done right

@@juanjo55lol--???

PC MASTER RACE That "monstar 8 core 5GHz!!1" CPU is just a bit faster than an i3,thanks to its clock Then AMD fanbois come with "DX12 will work better for 8 core CPUs!!1" without knowing that it's NOT an 8 core CPU Lol

PC MASTER RACE AMD can still compete on the gpu market that's why each year way better gpu's come at better prices while on CPU's each generation means only 10-15% better performance because it's an Intel monopoly

iCallOfDutyDog yep my i3 4150 (only a dual core with HT) can beat AMD's 6-core and even 8-core CPU's in gaming

Honestly the only reasons why I'm in Red Team is because of Dual Graphics and more cores for a lower price. But that won't last long if they don't allow Dual Graphics with at least an R7 260X soon or if i5s keep beating the FX CPUs. In fact, I was looking forward to a Zen APU more than the CPU cause it addresses both of these but idk what the AMD executives are thinking.

Honestly the only reasons why I'm in Red Team is because of Dual Graphics and more cores for a lower price. But that won't last long if they don't allow Dual Graphics with at least an R7 260X soon or if i5s keep beating the FX CPUs. In fact, I was looking forward to a Zen APU more than the CPU cause it addresses both of these but idk what the AMD executives are thinking.

+Robb Hays Me too

+Robb Hays Gave mine to my Bro a few years back when I upgraded to a FX 8320. Really hoping Zen brings enough performance increase for me to upgrade to that.

That was the last AMD CPU I have purchased, along with the 6750, that oc's past 6770's. Housemate still using it to this day.

+Robb Hays Same here. No compelling reason to upgrade just yet.

+Robb Hays I am running Phenom II X4 965 @ 3,8GHz and it still performs quite well, altough it sometimes bottlenecks my HD 5870 GPU

After ryzen 3000 two years later

Ryzen 3rd Gen was unveiled today yet still I'm using an Athlon II CPU. :(

Technically, yes.

Technically, yes.

now we are waiting for zen 3

+The PowerPC Hub I think it's a nod to the time when in order to overclock an AMD Athlon you had to physically take something off it (don't remember if it was a pin or something else, but remember reading about something like that in the magazine back in the days)

+The PowerPC Hub that's how Ahmed (clock kid) was building CPUs duh

+necrotic256 The pic imho is a joke. As for mods, you had to solder a few things on the front side of CPU, at the time AMD still hadnt used "safety caps", or connect them with a trace from a lead pencil. With it you unlocked the multiplayer and you could Overclock it with bios or switches. That was done at the end of 90's on athlons and durons 600Mhz and up,

+The PowerPC Hub Looks to me like stock art... Nothing meaningful could be taking place, but the picture itself might suggest "working on tech", thus it's used as clipart/stock art/canned art whathaveyou.

+Spac3M4N Heyyo, ugh I hate that clock kid... trying to sue for millions of dollars... fuck that kid... but I guess it's the way the world is these days... get a little butthurt and try and sue for millions of dollars. I hope he never gets a job in the tech industry out of fear of the companies that hire him might get sued too. Get rich quick scheme shit....

+Azivegu if they become competitive again, their prices will go up for sure

+Azivegu they would probably increase its prices if its performance went up

+Azivegu I hope it also, AMD ATI had and has good products, but they have literally a release Problem.

+Azivegu it sucks that they dont have good price to performance processors

+XInfinity2013 Why? HBM barely made an advancement against the GPU market. Fury was supposed to be the Titan "killer" ultimate 4k 60fps gaming experience. It barely performs as well as the 980 ti and sometimes just barely better.

Did you think your channel would grow this much when you made this comment 3 years ago? I have watched many of your videos :)

+An Vu interesting idea but this has already been done in intel's core 2 quad which was basically 2 core 2 duos on top of each other ..

Hmmm I did not know that. Well if Intel did it first then AMD should bring the concept back but do it better.

An Vu well amd were the first with true quad core which was the Phenom I .. ;)

you are not

+sirhendro try a zen rig when it comes out .. I am sure you will become an AMD Fanboy after that :)

+hello walkman I'm definitely very curious to see what AMD Zen will deliver. I doubt i will buy it though as i just bought this Kaveri build.

sirhendro but zen is for high end ..

+dadziokPL amd will not die

He Ryzen​ from the grave

at least the PS4 and the Wii U used AMD stuff

Adriaan S and Xbox.

Hello, I’m from the future and they kind of do now

+Stanisław Szczypuła Hmm.... AMD Phenom II X6 was $199.99 Intel`s Core Duo was $560.99 Hmm.. Um..... No words.Hands down AMD sold more that year.

and that FX 8150 for short time was the fastest CPU in the market

Still using it. Since launch. Doesn't bottleneck a gtx 1050ti still. X6 1090T be

bodasactra-- You are so right!!! Give someone just the monitor, keyboard, and mouse to play most any game at 1080p and all but the most EXTREME hardcore gamers would never be able to honestly tell them apart. My boy and all his friends LOVE his Phenom II 955 system, and it's got dustbunnies older than him hidden away in the corners, lol

You have an inferior machine. AMD chip. LOL

@@jameskipp1657 You have an inferior machine. Intel chip. Lmao what a dumbass.

In house Fabrication, all chip makers now just do R&D and outsource actual manufacturing to 3rd party chip foundries.

Except Intel. :)

FAB is where the die are actually made (the "chip" that actually makes your computer chip which is made from silicon wafers with a very complex process to make it all happen...considering there can be BILLIONS of connections on a little tiny thumb nail sized "chip" underneath that steel cap that you see) ^.^

Stock coolers? If you don't already just use the same cooler for both CPU's and see what happens, for a more controlled test.

+Eileen Blurrr both of them were using the same 240 all in one

CRiTr Idk man, my 8350 runs at 50C idle, don't even want to look at load. Stock cooler, of course. Good airflow don't get me wrong.

Eileen Blurrr Well the stock cooler doesnt really allow any room for overclock and its just enough for regular loads, but thats the same for Intel chips.

CRiTr I guess. Yeah I realize it doesn't allow overclocking lol, 50C in BIOS just isn't something you OC. I'm wanting to get the 212, not even to OC but just so I don't have to worry about it exploding at some point. And as a replacement cooler for any new CPU's that I get.

This comment has aged so well. I'm going from a r5 1600x to a r7 3700x right now.

I am here to say that Zen 2 and 3 with their corresponding CPU and APU variants are beautiful

Intel Chiller: vroom vroom