@@Everythingblackpowder I have the 30" Uberti 1873 45 colt. I planned on using 40 grains 3 f black powder. But I'm wondering how 4f would work. Real blackpowder, not substitutes. Have you tried 4f blackpowder in the 45 colt cartridge ?
@@rationalmind6362 yes I tested it in this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NJ-i7RpLQ9Y.html Around the 14:00 mark. It worked very well.
My best friend/mentor/shooting legend, has 900 yds of target shooting at his property. We so appreciate hearing people tell us how easy a few hundred yards is, or better, your handgun is no good past 25 yds. Lol. We always invite them out. Sometimes they come. Thx again. Great video and info.
I love Paul Harrell's 'presentations' the man is a gift to the shooting community, and a wide source of knowledge. This channel like Paul's Is top shelf in understanding Black powder propellant's as where 777 is concerned it is what it is a good quality propellent. not as good as the top end toilet paper powder. still it works and works well. Its a handy powder to keep in reserve for when your to busy to make the good stuff.
I have been hand loading for 46 years have 45 long colt in pistol and rifle never loaded with anything but smokeless power. Love this cartridge very accurate enjoyed this presentation
Glad to see someone is trying the 3F in cartridges. I've used the 2F T7 in 38-40, 45 colt, 44 mag, and 357 in handguns and rifles, and it works, but I shoot what I load within a couple weeks. T7 attracts water and can solidify, making it sketchy for bottle neck cartridges, or it can become less potent, leaving you with a stuck bullet. In my opinion, I don't want to load cartridges for long-term storage with a very hydrophilic powder.
If you store your pyrodex ammo in a zip lock bag and put it in a ammo can with a good seal, the pyrodex loads will keep a pretty long time. I guess it also depends where you live. Some areas have higher humidity levels than other places. Still, try storing your pyrodex loads as i mentioned and see if it helps you any. It should.
Gather up some leftover desiccant bags and tape them onto surfaces where you store your ammo. Apply a bit of lacquer around the primer and case mouth, maybe?
I just know that if I don't use T7 for long-term storage in cartridges, then I don't have to worry about powder caking (daming). Even Hodgon used to have a warning about T7 caking (daming). I buy bulk desiccant silica beads off Amazon to make desiccant packs for my homemade BP. Pyrodex and BP seem to be easy enough for me to get that I don't have to rely on T7. I have a few pounds of T7 to play with, but I buy BP and Pyrodex more often and supplement my shooting with homemade.
You know what it's your channel you do it anyway you want to do it and I'll watch it. The only person you have to please is yourself! Things is about to get squirrely. So stay vigilant!
Miraculous! Lol, Jake do what you must, personally my friend and I used to make fun of guys that only shot paper targets at black powder events, only harmless heckling, we found it to be boring, but realize there is alot of information can be gained from "putting it on paper " ! Do what you must do and I'll watch and poke fun! LOL
I’ve have loaded T7 ff and T7 fff (with necessary adjustments) in .38, .45colt, .45-70 & .38-55 for quite a while with same results you “presented”. In my .38-55 buffalo classic it really shines! Thank you for another great video! I would like to see a more extensive accuracy test if your feeling it. Oh! I can attest, tummies do have their ups and downs…
Black powder is practically unattainable in my area. I have seen it at a gun show and the can looked 30 years old. Catch Midway a few years ago waiving hazmat fees and bought some but not enough. So Trip 7 has been my powder of choice.
I have never seen a can in the wild in my area. I was given a vintage can of Goex that came out of a deceased man's estate, other than that it's unobtanium. Sooooooo i'm seasoning grapevine as we speak.
Man i want to reload so bad, i got into loading with the lee hand loader and cant find any primers anywhere, 45 colt has always been my favorite cartridge and i love shooting bear rounds through my 454 rossi, your videos inspire me to continue in learning everything i can about the load data to continue to pursue this passion safely, thank you.
LOL! if you turn on closed captioning, when your daughter speaks it says "music". Another good "presentation" on the whole 777 thing. I have not ever shot it but from your results it looks like maybe I should give it a try.
I like it too. It's also pretty easy to clean, faster than Go-Ex. It's expensive, that's true, but I find it's a '' hotter'' powder than Go-Ex so when I'm loading Triple 7 I'm loading lighter loads so that makes more rounds out of a pound of powder.
That notice about cartridges is because it is sensitive to air space (real black can be that way too).... It won't group well with air space in the cases because the burn is erratic and with a lot of space can be dangerously so. Real BP ignites much more easily than 777 so a little bit of air space is OK-ish with black, but not ideal. With 777, which runs best with a lightly compressed loads to give consistent velocities and smaller groups it's pretty consistent. I have used 777 in shotgun rounds, but with no air space, and in front stuffers of course, both of which which have lightly compressed charges. Of all the sub, 777 is way out in front IMHO, but that notice about cartridges was well founded. It used to be on 3f and 2f, but recently I have only seen it on 2F. I use 777 if I cannot get, or make, real BP dame charges as BP by volume....it works and it's better than not shooting.... Yes it is a wee bit 'hotter' than BP giving higher velocities, and I do wonder at the peak pressures that that entails. Measuring that would take equipment that I do not have, but the sharper recoil impulse tells me that there is a brief pressure peak considerably higher than real BP for the same velocity at the muzzle. This is no issue with modern repro arms, but it might be in a 200 year old Damascus set up..... so.....
I load with 777 fairly often for Cowboy Action events. I don’t remember chronographing any of the maybe 5 metallic cartridges I use it in, but found best accuracy with no compression, but no airspace. I use 777 because I can use regular lead bullets with their crayon lube and load in my progressive press and powder drop. It is also very easy to clean and tolerant of missing a day to clean. The 3f leaks around my powder drop so 2f is better for that, but 3f gives a bit more energy and smoke. I do miss the proper sound and smell of Black Powder though. 😊
Great presentation! Do you have distributors in your area that sell single containers of real BP? Also, it is interesting that the 1st shot is the only one that exceeded 1500 fps.
I personally love your videos, aka, presentations extremely informative as well as useful information thanks so much for taking the time to make them. Cheers from what's left of the Great White North!
There used to be a ballistics video on the Internet, but I can’t find it anymore. I was curious if you can re-create it. It’s just a basic ballistics test of a 54cal round ball versus a cowboy bone.
Hey Jake, so I tried the Triple 7 3Fg in my 45-70 since real BP is a bugger to get ahold of in Utah. It worked really well in my Browning 1886 with a 26” barrel. I’d like to see if you can replicate my success with it. I used a 405 grain RNFP with 60 grains by volume and a .030 card between powder and bullet. My average velocity was 1485fps with a max spread of 10 and standard deviation of 3.6. Hope you find this experiment fun.
1,200 ft lbs. is nothing to sneeze At. That would make a good whitetail load. That especially in areas where rifles are restricted to straight wall cartridges.
How dirty was it compared to Swiss? Enough that fouling would have built up enough to reduce accuracy over a larger number of shots? I have never found anything nearly as clean as Swiss, but I have never tried 777.
It definitely doesn’t seem any cleaner than Swiss. I would say Its right on par with Swiss but I would have to do a side by side comparison to be sure.
I'll be the guy to say that 200y freehand out of a pistol cartridge with iron sights is good shooting and I couldn't do it. Did you mention how clean/dirty it is in the gun? If so I missed it, sorry.
I need to do a side by side comparison with the 777 and real black powder. I didn’t really notice it being any different than black powder as far as fouling goes.
One thing I have noticed, your vids and others, doing chronograph tests: The first shot ALWAYS is the fastest. Is it. the cold dry barrel, the clean barrel, the Chrono waking up or the gods favor the 1st shot? Don't know why but both your vids plus others, and my own personal experience, regardless of propellant, this is the case. Good vid by the way.
I was going to let you know before you even asked. Paper! Yes! ES means nothing if you can't group. Especially with BP or substitute. What with the fouling and whatnot. Get a bench, get some bags, and get someone that can still shoot irons. I don't care if you shoot at 25yds, most guys can figure it out. If you can't shoot 3-5 shots touching at 25yds you certainly don't need to be shooting 5" groups at 50. 45 Colt has been driving me nuts in repro lever actions. I would love to see your groups with Trip7. Oh, and Paul is probably just being precise in his wording. I mean, you didn't actually "video" this, did you? I know I didn't watch it on my VCR ;) Now go put some albums in your 5-stage CD player and think up some new presentations! LOL Thanks for the video! :)
Im trying to choose between a 357 and 45 lc lever action for blueberry hunting and survival. Of course i will buy a bunch of ammo but will have a lot of empty casings. What would you consider as being better for reloading with BP? (I have a lead cast for .454 round ball have no clue if that will work) I'm an avid archer and now also getting hooked on guns... Black powder route. Like your content.
EBP, I agree with you on shooting paper being boring. I would be interested in the results, though. BTW that's damn good shooting in my book as well. 200-ish yards off hand 👍 Question (as always 😁) : Do just clean the barrel and bolt face after shooting BP or do you tear it down and really clean it? Oh, and ya can't call it a 'presentation' cause then you would have to change your end tag line! 😉
@@Everythingblackpowder paper targets might be boring, but for me, it gives me a general idea of accuracy. It lets me know what kind of groups to expect with a specific load. I would like to see paper results just for that reason.
Cool man. That's what I found. I did some 777 .45-70 rounds and shot them out of my 32" barreled Buffalo Classic I had. It did really well with that one also. ;) I do watch for crud rings though with 777 because that's it's one fail for me. After shooting about 60 rounds in an afternoon, I started noticing some pressure signs and hard kick and sure enough, it'd formed a crud ring just ahead of the chamber. If you use a good bronze brush and some solvent every 30 or so shots, it keeps it under control better in my finding. Did you notice any on your lever gun?
Stuff works fine. I've been running it in 45 colt in Schofield and 1866 Uberti clone, and 45-70 in viintage Springfields. It does gunk up the Schofield and the 1866 pretty quick.
NOT sucky. Like you, I found 777 to be very energetic, but with far greater ES than real black, or even some smokeless loads. Great for typical open-sight frontstuffer ranges, but no bueno for something like the Quigley Match, as vertical stringing gets exaggerated at anything much over 250 yards. But I'm hopeful you find a "magic" load that tightens up those velocity extremes...might cause me to take another look at it.
Here's an idea for some new "presentations" try a series called "Will it black powder?" where you carbonize various material and try to make BP out of it. Stuff like junk mail, cardboard, peach pits and whatever else would be interesting.
From what ive seen, its pretty versatile for cartridges. Ive tried the FF in 38 spcl already. Wish i would have gotten the FFF. I think the FF will be good for the .410 I am planning to load.
I generally stick to percussion and cartridge guns. Pyrodex is easy for me to find, and I have my loads figured out with it. Plus living in an apartment making my own black would probably be frowned on by my landlord and my fiancée. As for no 777 in cartridges i think thats new. They use to publish load data for it.
I like using triple 7 for my plinking loads, its easy to stop by the store and grab a can instead of ordering $200 worth of swiss. I save the real stuff for hunting and serious target shooting. 55gr of 2F Triple 7 under a 405gr bullet is a nice shooting round, and 35gr for my 45 colt conversion NM army and NM army carbine shoots very nice.
@@Everythingblackpowder Heavier bullets seem preferable for blackpowder automatic fun, so I'd suggest moving up to one of the larger calibers. .300BLK would probably be enough, but .350 Legend and .450 Bushmaster would feel more "blackpowder appropriate"
Hey Paul what velocity would I get from 30 grains of goex 3f out of the Henry big boy 45 colt 20 inch barrel .. And what difference would 2f make if any ?
Maybe a heavier projectile will give ya less spread. Since 777 seems to be more powerful than authentic BP, a heavier bullet might flatten the arch a bit. 🤔
Like the honestly man, it's good to have options if anything and now I'd say 777 is at least an option. I wasn't sure having fought pyrodex corrosion for the last time, this I may try. Thanks
In my opinion, powders are tools like any other tool. I got into BPCR because the Sharps in 45-70 I have seems to give its best accuracy with true black powder (swiss 1.5 to be exact). I never understood the Smokeless vs Black Powder or Black Powder vs Substitute BP arguments. My philosophy has always been, find out what works best for you and use it. I personally have an affinity for how things used to be done and trying to recover lost knowledge, so I lean toward true Black powder, but if I find a substitute that performs just as well and can be had more easily, I'm going to use it too.
I agree 👍 to my standards off hand lever action pistol cartridge at almost 200 is pretty damn good. The guys that claim that that's easy are lying. Lol I think Paul would agree with you That's pretty damn good . I'm with you though I would rather have real black powder with more consistent velocity and it's just traditional. Thank you 👍
Whats a load for 255 grain lead cast flat point bullet in 45. Colt for covertion cylinder. Using 777 ffg and 777 fffg load. How grains of powder charge??
You've done the 777 in 45 colt.......but what about the 44 wcf? I have a Uberti sixgun, 7.5 barrel and a 24" barreled Uberit Win. 73......would love to know the avg. velocitys with both 200 g and 240 g RNLF's in 2f 777
