Only half of it actually, Patriot dies before the full attack gets out (which wouldn’t kill him, but it would be very close thanks to his Sanctuary). It was super close though.
@@slonik0002Nah he can take full of it. There's the showcase in many vids where he solo'd Patriot first phase without support and he withstand ond attack with a bit of hp left
Shame there’s no IS bosses, but quite impressive he’s able to take on everyone (except Emp’s blade) with just 1-2 helping units. Really what the crusher archetype was hoped to become when we first saw them.
@@slonik0002 you need to kill him literally 1,5 second after you deal damage. You cannot let him release the farts. I am interested in which combination of operators can do that.
@@GranMaj I mean if we're talking pure buff army, a lot of people can. But also his first phase is rather simple to solo if you start to burst him after he does his banish - even Surtr can solo his first phase despite him countering her.
This is how a crusher type should've been. The shelter thing saves him a lot and that should applies to lower rarities as well, or they remain unusable.
@@normallymute0131 They already have a HUGE health pool. Hoederer at E0 level 1. Has more HP than most other Guards at E2 50. Edit. At E0 level 1, With max trust. More HP than E2 90 Blaze or Degenbrecher. At max level with S3, He has over **10k HP...**. About 12k effective HP if you include passive 18% Reduction
kind of surprised they game him range, cc, healing, and sanctuary for himself and another ally. I was expecting the 6 star to get two of those and some attack attack speed, but instead he seems like mountain 3.0.
main thing that makes hoederer different is that he actually has a defensive stat, with sanctuary at e2, as well as healing (by hp% too) wind chimes had some sanctuary but it was only during s2 and had poor uptime (
He killed crushers. Quartz takes more dmg Windchime lower her dps with her skill Hoederer has shelter, stupidly high atk, 70s duration, self heal... Its impossible to do an other crusher.
How to make some branch still meta relevant, making 6 stars at super good or cracked level. Well....doesn't change the fact that the rest in branch suck.
What's the best healer OP to pair with him? Warfarin with S1M3 Mod3, Lumen S3M3 ModY3, or Shining S2M3 (on one hand ModX gives more def, on the other ModY is way stronger healing, so which mod would be the best?)? And before you say "don't waste your materials just to build a healer for him" I wanna do it and you can't stop me (but I'd rather only do it for one rather than build all 3 just to compare them).
I'd say Wafarin is the best pair for him since crushers usually have a ton of HP, and with massive HP when the skill is up he can gain more healing from Wafarin
Honestly they’re all effective (and you can add Eyjaberry S1M3 too). You definitely don’t need more than the base module for the first 2, although Shining’s probably fine with either if you want S2M3 - X is more useful with S3 which helps her be more flexible, but Y is more focused on S2 to help for this case. Although Hoe having 0 DEF does make X a lot more promising against regular enemies. You’d probably want them for their other utilities, where Lumen wins out (as you’ve seen with this video the extra range and stun removal helped a lot). Warfarin’s SP talent doesn’t help too much, and Eyjaberry’s elemental healing and Max HP are more case by case scenarios.
All i can say after seeing the vid, it's depend on the boss tbh since so many boss in the vid can stun you probably will build lumen since he can deletus those status from horderer (not elemental dmg sadly) but if you use him for general content not only boss killer i recomend you build shining since she can add defense to hoerderer and make him tankier and stay on field longer And for sp why not just slap ptilopsis since imo warfarin is suck at healing
Man... Hoederer + Warfarin seems like would be an unstoppable duo. Warfarin healing for 40% of Hoederers 7k HP (10k with S3M3 active) when he's up half hp just sounds broken. Also throw in Shining and Nightengale and he wont even be 0 Def/Res anymore. Alternatively use Warfarins S2 and buff his Atk to 7.1k... I may be calculating the Atk wrong though as Im not sure how it would handle the consecutive buffs in this case.
Attack buffs are additive, so no... I don't think he's gonna reach 7k att Also yeah he would be cool with shinning S2 or nightingale, but he have so much hp that I feel like a fast healer like Lumen would suit him better Shininging S2 with her 2nd module works too tho I think
Talulah : Fear me for whom i the only vew that can cripplede your true self no ever training nor technique has ever stands against me(True Damage) Heoderer : Ehh, another tuesday
Really happy he is strong and that people are coming around to see that, I like the merc trio a lot. Seeing people compare him to NTR and saw someone say he powercreeps her which... idk. At least my impression, will know better once I got him of course, since NTR S2 is her main skill for more challenging content I do not think he really powercreeps her, his S3 seems to be better then her S3 in most situations but the fact she can deal true damage means she can bypass dodging so I personally think its more of a sidegrade situation tbh. Both of them are quite versatile guards with very high damage though but of course since Hoederer is not limited he does have an edge in that regard.
His S3 deals true damage as well. Last I checked he deals 200 true damage to everything he attacks and everything that attacks him and it last for the entire duration of the skill. For instance if a bunch of drones started shooting at him while it was active they would start taking 200 true damage every second for the skills duration, and given this skill lasts 70 seconds that is a lot of damage over time.
@@11112222nikliIt’s 14k true damage over 70s, compared to 66k over 25s. Dealing less damage over more time isn’t as impressive, especially since Hoe has to be alive and they have to not enter the box before the 70s are up. Personally I think NTR is still better than him, but it’s the reliance on blocking which may betray her for S3 the most. She wouldn’t be able to block Patriot or unblockable bosses and deal with them as easily as he does.
@@slonik0002 On its own no it isnt a lot in comparison to NTR but when you factor in the the base damage hes doing each hit which is even higher if he manages to land a stun then the damage hes inflicting over the period of the skill duration is extremely high. Now NTR does have a greater damage output especially in terms of true damage but like you said the main issue is that it requires either her or the blazing sun to be directly blocking. My main thing about him is that his S3 has more utility. When I initially replied I was under the impression they were not aware of the fact hoerder did true damage. Now im not trying to argue he power creeped her or anything im just saying hes a viable option for people in need of true damage especially since he isnt a limited like skalter or NTR. One day I do hope to get NTR so I can finally complete the nearl family since she is the only one I dont have and someday I hope to do the same for the merc trio since im also a fan of them. Speaking of which ive seen a similar debate about power creeping concerning mylnar and silverash.
@@Zack_Zander Kal is also another viable source of true damage and arguably the most stable source since mon3tr can be redeployed rather quickly, can do it far more frequently and can do it in a secondary instance via kals second talent.
Considering Quartz as a Crusher guard was already pretty good at face-fighting the Immortal Black Snake with healing support, Hoeder is a straight up execution
I do so love watching him CRUSH things. No seriously though people jumped on the "he's gonna be bad" bandwagon right off the reveal and i'm sitting there like "Suuuuuuuuuuuure he is" xD
They still shitting on him, its just the fate of most non Mlynar tier male *6. Like theyre goes so hard to defend *6 like Ho'olheyak by saying "You just dont understand her kit" even though shes clearly is way worse than any *6 ever. Then when Hoerderer got release as a crusher, people just keep focusing on his archetype rather than his kit lmao.
@@Funnyman-bi1qx why need to be so complex, simply because he’s not a female operator, if he was a female, i bet non of the player would wine a shit. Proud to be a sexist is the haters motto after all
@@enfuegobeat7953 Well, that means you'd still need to bring another unit, else he'd probably just die to the enemy, if that enemy is anything you'd need that bonus for. Don't get me wrong. I know you can make him (or any operator, really) survive Aak. I'm just making a point that you cannot bring JUST Aak, because hilariously enough, despite Hoederer's absurd HP...Aak one-skill kills him...
@@kikixchannel sadly true but in all honesty I feel like bringing Aak implies bringing Ops along to keep the unit alive since the pool of operators who can survive Aak alone and be desirable to be boosted is relatively small in comparison to the list of Ops you'd want boosted with help.
@@ehhanz8118 I tested him in some situations he could almost inf stun enemies with extremely low aspd but he really isn’t the best option out there in most cases but he can be used for sure
"Defense drops to 0 once his skill is activated". Unfortunately. He had no defense to drop. (Seriously. He has 0 Def by base. Skills don't affect that. S3 does give him a substantial +60% HP to bring him over 10k HP.
He absolutely has weakness and drawbacks lol. He’s not top tier for a reason. Even with sanctuary, he still takes a lot of damage thanks to his 0 defensive stats, his stuns are RNG, and he needs someone to help his survivability. He’s definitely not bad as he absolutely manages to overcome the Crusher’s weaknesses, but he still has his own (which isn’t a bad thing, balance is better than meta unga bunga imo).
@@HZex-fv9pc I can’t even think of a good module for either of them that would also benefit Hoe… maybe a damage reflect? Quartz’s more damage taken could actually see some weird usage, and could help kill small fry they suffer with…
@@huynamvu3035 the 'true dmg' is added as an additional “bleed” bonus to S3 that also gets applied like “thorns” effect towards all ranged enemies who attack him. Kaltsit and Amiya also have around ≈15-25k true dmg per skill activation so it's standard, the thing that sets Hoeder apart however is the fact that he doesn't suffer from any negatives and his dmg isn't just “pure” but “mixed” physical.
@@peterdenov4898 What are you talking about? I'll make here an assumption that Monst3r's attack is on 'average' 230% of his standard (so half of his skills bonus) and that he attacks 9 times (20sec skill duration with 2sec attack interval, taking into account last attack being clipped), that's about 30000 true damage. In 20 seconds. In the same time that Hoederer will deal 14000 true damage, Monst3r will deal 60000. Except, for Hoederer, he will then go on cooldown, but Monst3r will deal 60000 true damage EVERY 70 seconds (Kal'tsit's 3rd skill has 20 sec of uptime and 15SP). This is a huge difference in true damage potential. Hoederer's true damage isn't terrible, but it should not be considered relevant on its own. It is only relevant as chip damage added on top of his regular damage. Beyond that, it's only good enough to make a difference by killing the weaker ranged opponents like simple drones. For most else you'd still need to bring operators, so the chip damage doesn't matter much (unless blocked, just about any standard enemy will enter the blue box in 70sec...).
@@kikixchannel what I ment to say was that Hoeder's meat and honey is 60k physical dmg with 14k 'true' bleed being added as a bonus. Both Kaltsit and Amiya's S3 deal only pure true dmg and has some sort of added massive downside regardless if it's gonna be instant death or 50% loss of HP. Hoeder on the other hand looses barely noticeable 100hp every second if it dosen't attack, but self heals for 400 with every landed hit.
@@peterdenov4898 This thread of comments is about the true damage part. Hence the only comparison is on the true damage. As for drawbacks, while Amiya has a high one, I don't count Monst3r's as a high one. With how much damage it deals over the skills duration, killing 'something' for it is extremely easy. Only some tanky bosses or the likes of collossus can survive one full cycle of the skill, but even then, you can solve that by blocking a normal mob first and using the first attack (shame, but gotta do what you gotta do) to kill it off. Alternatively you can use Monst3r as a support DPS instead of the blocker, so that the loss of HP wouldn't matter much. Seeing how rare him triggering this drawback is and how easy it is to dodge it altogether, I wouldn't consider it heavy by any means. I haven't been screwed by it even once since Kal'tsit's release. I haven't had a need to work around it even once. It's just a non-factor.
