Holley efi VS. Fueltech, Motec, Haltech, ProEfi, Aem, , Etc. Terminator X / HP - Dominator -sniper

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Holley efi VS. Fueltech, Motec, Haltech, ProEfi, Aem, , Etc. Terminator X / HP - Dominator -sniper
Just a look into the ECU's i come in contact with one way or another at my shop and what lead me down the path ive recently been taking.
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@boanerges5723 3 года назад

I thought I was at a Whitehouse briefing when you said "circle back" but then you actually did circle back so I was relieved to realize you were going to actually give us the information.

@joshm8661 Год назад

Lol right.

@jimschwarz3901 Год назад

I've dealt with Scott from Haltech Australia -So helpful with any ECU questions and a real gentleman!

@stevenmitchell7830 2 года назад

Haltech is growing really quickly. The new Nexus R5 range is amazing. NSP software is a game changer. Happy 35th Birthday Haltech!

@petehira1594 Год назад

Haltech is slow bro...

@stevenmitchell7830 Год назад

@@petehira1594 Quicker than you'll ever be bro 😎

@Scottydoing Год назад

Thinking very hard about that nexus 5..

@chippyjohn1 Год назад

Haltech has been bought by the USA. Motec bought by Bosch. So Haltech has gone down now that the USA will ruin it as they do with everything they purchase.

@iramirez95020 3 года назад

First time EFI installer, went with Term X Max with 0 issues on my turbo 5.3L , tunned it with the help of your videos 🤘

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

That’s awesome!

@evil_me 3 года назад

I've dealt with Holley, haltech, aem, motec, Bosch, megasquirt and others in my shop. The main thing that I used to choose my own ecm is the customer and technical support. In my experience with all the different brands Haltech has always had the best support in my experience. I switched to all Haltech elites on my personal vehicles a few years ago.

@777RocketS 3 года назад

Would they have a system for a 68 FE motor? 390 FE to be precise

@brianfrost303 3 года назад

This makes me feel a lot better about going with haltech for my first dip into EFI tuning. I chose them because I live in Australia and they're a very popular choice. Plus they're locally designed and manufactured.

@YoumomisBeautiful Год назад

link has excellent tech support too

@franklinwalker9606 10 месяцев назад

You choose suport and not think on fueltech ?

@joshmiller8663 9 месяцев назад

Fuel tech has some of the best tech support they actually answer their phones.

@sledgiefd9070 2 года назад

While I’m a Haltech import guy and the support in Oz is amazing, I agree with your Holley decisions for a drag car - watch out Haltech is coming though! Very well presented! Keep up the great work.

@spencer2652 3 года назад

Was about to order the Terminator X for my LS Miata. Watched this video to make sure I wasn't making a mistake. Went back and confirmed my order after watching.

@lit549 3 года назад

Same, im thinking of using it on my 5.3 swap into a 98 Silverado

@3pedaljay231 3 года назад

Side note, Mega Squirt offers a ton of features for a crazy affordable price, and some of us still have FAST sir.... LOL

@SevindeeZ28 3 года назад

Agreed MS3PRO evo is incredibly powerful and cheap AND made in USA

@ShawnGilbert1967 3 года назад

And the warranty is way better....sky is the limit on my Ultimate Pro and TCU ( controlling my 4l80e via can bus ), also having wireless connectivity...

@ShawnGilbert1967 3 года назад

Fast which I have used many systems from may not be the new kid on the block but it's rock solid..... Id probably next upgraded to a dominator then UPGRADED to a MS3 Pro Ultimate, if the FAST TCU allowed per gear rpm... Now I have per gear, and predictive shift along with several programmable latencies .....even a gear hold to keep it from blowing thru gears with rpm shifting when I blow the tires on a 1000+ hp sequential mpi injected BBC...

@SloppyMechanics 3 года назад

fantastic overview of all the systems and what people should expect

@edwinrosadojr4592 3 года назад

You killed it with this video. Great information on all systems and plus and minuses

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

thanks i appreciate it!

@SpeedProductions 3 года назад

there are reasons you typically dont see dominators on big alcohol promods, fuel control isnt really the best on the holley at that level but never seen an issue on smaller builds. Fueltech is second to none on logging, but we have had some issues where we didnt buy fueltech specific sensors or tried to make racepak sensors work and had issues. for the drag racing application the configuration, time based applications, ability to move the log into the time based sections, and live diagnostic functionality are by far superior in the fueltech system. we started using the fueltech power management stuff this past weekend and it works amazing. the engine rpm literally follows within a few rpm of commanded.

@michaellorenson2997 2 года назад

Well done Joe, thanks. I came to this video from the direction of considering a Holley setup for a conservative, Gen-1 SBC street engine. I watched a couple of Holley's videos, which caused yours to pop up. I'm pretty knowledgeable concerning how multi-point EFI works -- as in, I can troubleshoot any 20th century factory engine management system without too much trouble and with no specialized tools. By covering the whole spectrum, you gave me a great primer course in these systems while also answering the question of what to do in my case. I appreciate that. Liked, subscribed, and archived.

@michaelisbell1448 2 года назад

I was overwhelmed with all the control module’s before I watched this, thank you for the help and insight.

@headgames 2 года назад

this video helped me tremendously ! I am around so many Motec tuners and agree it's the best. But, I was put off that it would seemingly be an endless expense. Although limited, I can grow a bit with the dominator for my LS. Thanks Joe!

@EnzoBrocker 3 года назад

Came to hear what you would talk about FuelTech but left with a great overview of the market, excellent video, thank you.

@JBAutomotive794 3 года назад

Matt sent me here, but this was a super spot on video from someone that actually sees it all. Thanks for putting all this together, Cold beer on me one day!

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

nice, glad you liked it!

@boostedperformance4529 Год назад

I just want to say thank you for all your work all your videos. I learn a lot and I'll keep watching and learning more thank you very much.

@jamesbrown3420 3 года назад

Tong of good info Joe, Shines light on areas that most wouldn't think of when choosing a system.

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

thanks! tried to take a bit of a different approach. i figured everybody would bitch and complain but its been kind of the opposite haha

@rockyriverracing1429 10 месяцев назад

I’m only 51 seconds in to this video and it’s already one of the best I’ve ever seen! Baddass editing as always Joe!!

@hydrocarbon8272 3 года назад

The funny thing about the huge price range and motec & life with high-end processors: 9000 rpm is 540,000 tenths of degrees (360x10) per second or 0.54 mHz, and a $5 arduino runs at 16mHz. Certain tasks do take a while, but even the slowest tasks on better arduino-compatible hardware can still execute millions of lines of code per second. In plain words: engines are sloooooow compared to even hobbyist processors. That's why there's literally a $25 arduino being developed for a new cheaper-than-Microsquirt ecu. In reality the physical cases are the most expensive part of the ecu's, and their software interfacing is what costs them the most money. But as Joe explained very well - sometimes you have to pay to play and not all cars have similar needs.

@John-rw9bv 2 года назад

honestly, i want to hear what you have to say about ECUs more than anyone else lol

@blaqlabspodcast5816 9 месяцев назад

Esp32 arduino compatible are really fast @240mhz. Speeduino should run great on them but I haven't tried it..

@spdcrzy 6 месяцев назад

The speed of the processor is only part of it. The biggest problem, at high levels of both power and engine speed, is electromagnetic noise and crosstalk causing bad signals. When you're tracking anywhere from a couple hundred to well over a thousand signals at a hundred or thousand times per second, the simple act of datalogging alone can eat up a tremendous amount of processing time per cycle. If you're getting bad signals in the process of ingesting data, then that's a whole nother can of worms. That's why milspec wiring harnesses are so damn expensive.

@1966badnova 3 года назад

Nicely done. I feel like I need to watch it again and take notes. I like the motec but man I need to make a house payment. I was really intrigued and impressed with a Ausie car running high 6's. It actually had a lazer on the frame to sense when the car was trying to wheelie. Much quicker response than the right foot lift feature most of us are used to.

@camarrow67 2 года назад

Another great video. Thanks Joe! Yes. I went with Terminator for my 427 SBC TPI Mini Ram with a Procharger.

@misterkrispy8010 3 года назад

Thank you for the great perspective Joe.

@detroithammer8869 3 года назад

Love the no BS on ECUs , clarity!!!!

@bootyman234 Год назад

Bro, that was an outstanding and informative presentation. And one I really needed to see.

@johnrobie9694 10 месяцев назад

That was a lot of useful information in a short period of time. My favorite kind of video. Thank you!

@SloppyMechanics 3 года назад

also agreed, terminator people opened the door to really low experience people calling about self inflicted issues

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

tech support sounds like it could be a painful job haha

@codyace 3 года назад

'iTs GotTa be ECU ReLaTed'

@bdjm8595 3 года назад

Great vid, thanks for taking the time to do this!!!

@peaceeagle1618 3 года назад

Excellent analytics, you confirmed my previous decision to by a Holley management system for my crate GM LT4.

@codys6229 2 года назад

Just subbed from Brad @ SEP recommendation. Hobby tuner trying to go pro so I'm trying to install every different ECU I can on all my buddies cars, this is an awesome breakdown. Very helpful.

@hotroddude6551 Год назад

I know this is an old vid, but, 1,000 thumbs up. It's awesome how honest and accurate this is.

@liljustoo4357 3 года назад

Thank good I have been waiting for a video like this for the last 6 months

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

haha glad you found what you were looking for!

@coolchris2037 3 года назад

Love how explain each one, not a drag racer but like bulid something for circuit track day this helps alot ...

@charliebarbera3371 Год назад

Very helpful insight. For the first time fuel injection guys like myself this is a great way to understand what is out there. I am starting a factory five cobra replica build and want Fuel Injection, traction control, launch control, and flat foot shifting. The dominator will do that (I think) and like knowing it is widely used

@garysgarage2118 3 года назад

Thanks for covering the comparison . Really help me get an understanding of who's who in ECUs.

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

your welcome!

@SuperSkully 3 года назад

Excellent non-emotional overview. Thanks!

@PureAutomotivePerformance 3 года назад

"I need my wiring harness to be transferable to my next car if it burns down" I've actually heard that before lol , Great video buddy!

@alltheboost5363 3 года назад

Really... lol I had my car burst into flames a couple times and rewired it a couple times.

@TurboVisBits 3 года назад

I mean dr25 and tefzel will get you through a mild 🔥

@mrl22222 3 года назад

@@TurboVisBits if you're using those, you have enough "resources" to have a spare harness just in case there's a fire!

@camscustombuilds 3 года назад

Excellent video Joe. There is something to be said about remembering hot keys and other shortcuts. Jumping around to different ecus can be a pain. And you are right about AEM, series 1 and 2 stuff I always fought issues that shouldn't have been there (gremlins). Had the same issue with an older Haltech. Tech support at the time was dismal.

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

thanks!

@Hjfvvdst 11 месяцев назад

Sounds like if you can't tune it yourself you are dependent upon your tuner. Your tuner has a tuner he is familiar with and likes. He also has to like you. Their are ecms that will fit your needs and can be upgraded. Back to the tuner. It sounds like if you are a competitive type you may need to learn how to tune. If you want to 🏆. You never know how good your competitors tuner is and how close their ties are. Great video.

@CalVlogz 3 года назад

The amount of memes inserted in this video brought joy to my life

@6x6Tortuga 3 года назад

Well done video that needed to be done. Thumbs up and thank you... MoTeC here I come.

@mrmidnight32 Год назад

RIP my ears lol Raw, Direct and honest from someone who would know. Great video!

@johnparrotte9352 3 года назад

Appreciate that honesty in this industry!

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

hard to find now a days huh? usually its just people trying to sell you something!

@johnparrotte9352 3 года назад

@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest exactly... keep the videos coming. I'm not too far from you so when the time comes I hope to be spinning that hub dyno.

@brunotulliani 3 года назад

Great Video. Now I need to learn what an ECU is and I guess take it from there. I have a bad feeling about this. A real rabbit hole.

@phillip-cl8bk Месяц назад

Thank you for making this video!!! its been a great help to me

@TPVPRO 3 года назад

Dude... You know more about EFI than I do cameras and editing software. 😮

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

ive gotten a phone call or 2 about it over the years haha

@joecameron3406 3 года назад

Very useful information I have terminator x max and have never had any support issues and if you do have issues RU-vid it you're right Holley is designed for the beginner and with a little work you can do quite a bit and best of all updates are free TY for your perspective

@dant9863 3 года назад

Thanks you. Well done. Like the format

@TheDarthRoaster 3 года назад

Great Information....you had me at all the ODB references.

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

😂😂 my favorite part

@barstow611 Год назад

Thanks for all your experience. That's more than most of us have.

@kevinanthony2724 3 года назад

Wow fantastic content. Nicely done.

@Headsup9550 3 года назад

I'm new to your channel, so I'm planning to sit back and take it all in, as opposed to offering input, but I felt like it was worth taking the time to comment to tell you thank you & you've done a great job on this video! Very well formatted, accurate, professional but casual, ect, ect, you did well!!

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

thank you, i appreciate it!

@jesscneal 3 года назад

Excellent vid Joe. Everyone I know uses some form of Holley system so it makes sense for me to buy a Terminator. There's so much free help available for it too. Thank you for the insight! 👍👍

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

yup, thats exactly it. are there "better" (really you would be saying more advanced) systems, yes absolutely. but from a popularity and a support standpoint its hard to beat!

@Phil-wx6sk 3 года назад

Great info! should break out complete EFI systems review from the ECU's though. Thanks

@Alchemist37 10 месяцев назад

Great video thx Joe. Very hard to remain unbiased in this trade as we all have our favourites but you did a fantastic job here. 😊

@GoatRopeGarage 3 года назад

Good content, man

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

Thanks man i appreciate it!

@tedholt3143 2 года назад

I agree 100 % with everything you said… including aem. I wish I could use your torch and torch every aem I’ve ever seen

@KeithStarr696969 2 года назад

Absolutely agree and thank you for sharing.

@rayb5937 3 года назад

That's a damn good intro now let's get to it. 🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁💯💯💯💯

@michael_house 9 месяцев назад

Great video to watch. Thank you!

@charleslowe522 3 года назад

Very nice breakdown, I would be interested in seeing video on the differences in the Holley Systems. My grand plan is to swap an LV3, v6, into my Grand National.

@rtz549 10 месяцев назад

Great overview and summary.

@autotuneengineering 3 года назад

I really enjoyed the video. I'm a domestic guy (Twin turbo BBC) that tunes part time at an import shop. I tune 90% Haltech, that's what software package I'm most familiar with so its interesting to see other tuners perspective. I even run the Haltech Nexus R5 on my big block chevy. I looked into the M150, Holley and FuelTech before going with the R5. Each system has pros and cons I hate the multiple box thing with FuelTech, I dont wanna have to add a traction control box or addon for the Holley, and the Motec had so much extra to buy besides the box which isn't priced too bad. Keep making great videos.

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

yea the 100 different boxes for everything with fuel tech is a deal breaker for most. like i think i stated in the video, as long as your going with a name brand system, if your familiar with it, as long as it has the features you need most of the ecus are going to be pretty comparable for the average user. 10 years ago that may have been a different conversation!

@TeeeRoyJenkins 3 года назад

I'm an import guy and I love the Haltech stuff, so much so i'm using the Elite 2500 for my new LS Build, once you get used to the system the possiblilites of it for the price are amazing, the basically 21 hour a day tech support is killer too

@BEANS-O-MATICtransmissions 3 года назад

@@TeeeRoyJenkins looked into the 2500T for my LS project. Excellent features !

@TeeeRoyJenkins 3 года назад

@@BEANS-O-MATICtransmissions it truly is. For the price now I'd love to try the nexus.

@davidmcnerney3048 3 года назад

That intro was epic

@twinturbotaj 3 года назад

DSMLinkv3 for 4g63, and Edelbrock ProFlo4 EFI for my 383 stroker.. which is more of a plug and play self tuning setup- it works and I like it.

@firstrespondergarage 3 года назад

Subscribed, to the point and no BS

@chrisneztsosie3061 3 года назад

Good info. Makes perfect sense to me..

@TravisFabel 3 года назад

This helped me a lot. Thank you.

@richardendress4494 3 года назад

Great discussion! Thanks so much.

@mii3000 2 года назад

Wow thank you for all of the helpful information.

@FlatLineRacing4650 3 года назад

Good information about all. But I'm with you really can't go wrong with Holley.

@Dfour 3 года назад

That was the definition of straight shootin, "Sh Sha Shame on ya"!

@RACEALOTGARAGE 3 года назад

You said you werent persueding us but now i want Holley EFI on my honda 😂 maybe if i LS swap my s2000 in a dream. GREAT VIDEO👌🏾🤙🏾👍🏾

@mr.c5217 3 года назад

Excellent video!!

@largeeng 3 года назад

Great info without undue bias. Would like to see a follow up in 6 or 12 months to see if and how your perspective might change, thumbs up.

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

thats not a bad idea!

@95turbostang21 3 года назад

I agree a thousand percent with every word you said there is no other way to put it

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

thats a weird thing for somebody to say on the internet. usually its the exact opposite haha

@waynesanders1406 7 месяцев назад

LMAO that GI Joe voice over spoof with the guy on falling on the ice about killed me, I haven't seen those GI Joe spoof vids since 2012.

@thecitiots Год назад

Thanks for your input very helpful 🤘

@V8CHEROKEE 3 года назад

Great video. Agree 100 percent with everything you said.

@jaredbrierley2782 2 месяца назад

Been installing a life racing x3 pdu and it’s so far and above all other pdu’s. The I/o and options compared to even a motec is on another level! And for not really much extra. Highly recommend

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 2 месяца назад

The few people i know who use life racing swear by it and prefer it over motec. I bought one of their ecus years ago but never moved forward with the project. I’d consider it for future projects

@jaredbrierley2782 2 месяца назад

Yeah I’m keen to try one of their ECU’s now too. Motec dashes are still the number one! Can’t beat a c1212 with custom display.

@StreetCarJoe 3 года назад

Great vid! I wish you were closer!!!

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

thanks, where are you located? i follow your IG stuff, your car is badass!

@StreetCarJoe 3 года назад

@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest Ha! Thats awesome man. Thanks!!! Im down in Texas... about 25 hours away 🤦‍♂️

@Karadon1969 3 года назад

I have actually heard the same about AEM from a company that makes patch harnesses. Its why I went with a haltech. Im tuning the car myself and I like it for what its worth.

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

yea, a lot of people feel the same unfortunately.

@_vlnt_7800 2 года назад

Nice vid. Good information. Just missed comments on Speeduino and its 600 Mhz processing speed capacity and $100 kits.

@jonathanpetermeier6637 2 года назад

Love all the ODB in this video

@LaimisBMW 3 года назад

Nice review ! Just to note, MaxxECU and ECU Master are on the different segments. Maxx is so much more powerfull and flexible system.

@thecorradokid24i 3 года назад

Good video 👍🏻

@alifkm2 3 года назад

Maxxecu have tons of features and its a pretty fast ecu too. But it wasnt stable. Some of them have trigger issues. But the tech support is pretty good at addressing all of the issues. Ive tuned a lot of maxxecu cars but i personally used link g4+ on my own car lol

@jord9308 3 года назад

Good overview- funny,too 😂

@njclsx4252 3 года назад

Great video Joe

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

Thanks!

@njclsx4252 3 года назад

@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest your welcomed, its been a while,hope your well and doing great.

@jselectronics8215 2 года назад

Loved your presentation Joe. I recently learned that Holley does not offer individual cylinder knock control. I can help with that...

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 2 года назад

Nope. The knock control on Holley is basically unusable. Actually on the to do list for another video

@jselectronics8215 2 года назад

@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest Hi Joe, thanks very much for your quick reply. I released the first version in 1991, for distributor ignition. Since then I've added versions for coil on plug, both smart and dumb coils. It's designed for engines with piston to wall clearances of 0.006" or less, to minimize false detections. The threshold, detection, and control software works really well. My most popular version is the Vampire, for modular Ford ignition. No wires are cut or intercepted, no tach adapters are required.

@terrywilson581 3 года назад

Thanks for the good info

@danielmintern4070 Год назад

Link are nice ECUs, great features and good support

@cloudbydayfirebynight618 2 года назад

Thank u for helping me make my decision

@wallycastro3 3 года назад

All depends on what project you are working on. You could’ve cover which one is VE based (way better for daily cars) and which one is not, which one is easier to install ( FT is very sensitive and unforgiving to bad installation)....but in general...AWESOME VIDEO MAN!

@JoeSimpsonAtTempest 3 года назад

could have easily made the video 50 hours long. more so was showing why ive personally been going the holley route!

@vortecturbo 3 года назад

Savage video!!👏👏👏👏🍻🍻

@AngelRodriguez-kp7ug 5 месяцев назад

I had fueltech and it works great, never had a problem

@kreyven42 2 года назад

thank you for the info it is helpful

@johneisele6264 3 года назад

What a great video.

@Bigturboguy 2 года назад

you should have a look at Emtron, made here in australia like haltech but super impressive.

@gazmenmurtishi7943 7 месяцев назад

This was a great video with good explanation for newbies who don't know what to decide on, I am a builder and tuner as well as the driver of my race cars 80 percent import, I have a car on motec "gold box" lol, fuel tech ft600, haltech elite 1500 and aem infinity, I feel you didn't really give aem a shot I always hear horror stories but me personally the way I set cars up I don't see any of those issues with the infinity, I have setup Honda, Mitsubishi, VW/Audi, 65 mustang supercharged and a 95 mustang turbo on infinity and always get everything I need out of the unit, I think I am probably as knowledgeable on infinity as you are on Holley so I can see why you went that route , again not taking anything away from your video but I believe just like you said go with the route your tuner or support group recommend and I think you will have the best luck that way. Thanks for the you pretty much broke down everything people need to hear to make a decision