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HOMEMADE RESIDENTIAL FRONT END LOADER WITH 12 VOLT ACTUATORS POWERED BY 24 VOLTS 

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For some time now I have been experimenting with 12 volt actuators. These actuators are normally used for hospital medical beds and recliner chairs. They are relatively inexpensive thus making them ideal for the homemade builds. Kits using the faster but more expensive actuators run in the neighborhood of $3000.00. These 12 volt, worm gear driven actuators are very slow. So my experinents were in regards to getting more speed out of them by increasing the voltage to 20 VDC at first and then to 24 VDC. The residential loader in this video uses 12 volt actuators but they run on 24 volts. In addition the tractor incorporates a joy stick instead of toggle switches to operate the movements of the loader. The joystick makes the loader a little more like the feel of a hydraulic joystick run loader. I have not altered the actuators because I want to see how they will hold up under the 24 volt input. So far so good. In my experiments at 40 volts the actuators came apart. At 24 volts they are doing fine. I will make an update video to report any problems sometime in the future.

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Комментарии : 52   
@Rockin_James
@Rockin_James 3 месяца назад
I'm not a fabrication expert but these videos give me the confidence, with what mechanical ability I do have, to try building this!
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 3 месяца назад
The philosophy I have always taken is: 1. - Evaluate what I can gain if I am successful with the project. 2. - Can I build it in such a way that I can make corrections if I do something wrong? 3. - Can I afford to totally fail? I have found throughout my life that most offen I am successful. Also, that even when I totally fail and have to scrap the project, what I learn is most valuable.
@JesseCase
@JesseCase Год назад
These videos are by far some of the best on the RU-vid when it comes to electric loader info! You can tell that Ed puts time and care into making these videos and the information he puts out is extremely helpful and easily understandable. Ed, you sir are not getting the credit you fully deserve. I wish the RU-vid algorithm would hurry up, get it's stuff together, and put these videos in the correct place so that they will take off and you will get the views, likes, and subscribers that this channel deserves! This is the quality stuff that RU-vid should be for! Thank you Ed for what you do! On a side note I kinda get a Mr. Wizard vibe from my childhood when watching these videos, lol 😄😂!
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 Год назад
I am trying to do the best I can. I hope more home fabricators will take on the challenge of building their own residential loaders. Thanks for the undeserved praise. Ed
@cekiert
@cekiert 7 месяцев назад
Im currently in the design process, overvolting to some extent seems reasonable as the duty cycle is generally low. I remember in my younger days tearing down rc stuff and double voltage didn't really seem to cause much shorter life but 3x would almost always sound like the bearings were about to fail. Many of these garden mowers have belt driven drive train. I decided 24" width bucket, with 3/16" steel construction as I need to deal with rocky soil/gravel. I have a ton of 18v ryobi one batteries and a nice few greenworks 80v. I'll probably set it up for the ryobi one style or I'd need to activate 4x12v actuators on each Movement. While 4x light duty linear actuators go faster, odds are the load wouldn't be equally divided and they would probably strip out individual linear actuators one at a time leading to a rapid failure. Thanks for the inspiration
@terrylutke
@terrylutke Год назад
Clever and simple build, assuming one can to fab/weld to some degree. Very nice!
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 Год назад
Yes, thanks
@tomm9860
@tomm9860 3 месяца назад
Ed thank you very much, your one cover man.
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 3 месяца назад
Many thanks!
@Pssnmeoff
@Pssnmeoff Год назад
You're my hero. This is GREAT.
@buddycody5807
@buddycody5807 Год назад
I have to subscribe after this video, awesome build thanks for sharing!
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 Год назад
Thanks for the subscription!
@urbanitesgarage3299
@urbanitesgarage3299 Год назад
Thank you very much for the video. Going to give it a try
@ymat5306
@ymat5306 Год назад
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing.
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@1SmittysGarage
@1SmittysGarage Год назад
This is downright awesome! Well done indeed!!
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 Год назад
Glad you like it!
@alphonsotate2982
@alphonsotate2982 4 месяца назад
Great electrical engineering
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 4 месяца назад
It works for me.
@elec-mechsafetyandloadsens6005
Very cool to see innovation!
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 Год назад
Thanks
@MrCarmelo1959
@MrCarmelo1959 8 месяцев назад
Sorry I was excited about this electrical work that I send a request before watching the whole video sorry I’ve seen the diagram perfect thanks
@ddwieland
@ddwieland Год назад
Your "residential" loader videos are by far the most inspiring and helpful I've seen (with Santiago coming second). I've been trying to source suitable actuators but haven't seen any that look quite like yours. Of course, their force is important too. You state that you're using 10" and 12" actuators, which I assume is the extension (travel) but don't mention the force or speed at 12 volts. What are those specs, and where did you find the actuators?
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 Год назад
I am glad you find them inspirational. I would like to see more people build their own. The actuators I use are rated at 1320 pounds or 6000 newtons. They are 12 volt actuators that I am running on 24 volts. So far they are holding up without any alteration. The actuators are measured by their stroke, so a 10 inch will extend 10 inches. The overall extended length and retracted length are provided in the ad. They are available on Amazon. Here is the link for the 10 inch. www.amazon.com/dp/B07S2R4RCX?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details Also, I have several videos on actuator performance experiments and one video on repair / upgrade. If I can help with anything else, let me know. Ed
@hisdivine
@hisdivine 11 месяцев назад
Hi Ed, thanks so much for the informative videos. I am having problems with the wiring can you help me?
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 11 месяцев назад
Do you have the electrical switches and relays as shown in the video?
@ddwieland
@ddwieland 11 месяцев назад
Now that I'm getting close to actually building a loader, I'm looking at ways to provide 24 volts. I have several cordless tools (over 12v) of three different systems: 18v Ryobi, 40v Greenworks, and 56v EGO. It occurred to me that if the lift arms and bucket both use a pair of actuators, they could be wired in series, so that a 40v battery would be like a 20v one wired in parallel, and a 56v (nominal) would be like 28v. The joystick controller is rated for 220v DC, so that's not an issue. But the reversing relays don't seem to go past 24 volts spec, so I'm wondering if going a few volts over that will work. How did you manage your 40v testing?
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 11 месяцев назад
I do not recommend exceeding 24 volts using the medical equipment style actuators. I have been running 48 volts (2 - 24v batteries connected in series) on one of my loaders as an endurance test. Electrically the actuators can handle the 48 volts however the 48v is so strong that you will likely strip the internal gears of the actuators if you get the loader into a bind. I've been contemplating a new video explainig the issue.
@msamour
@msamour 9 месяцев назад
Hello, did you have a problem with the timing for travel on your lift actuators? It's my understanding that not every actuators will lift at the same speed. Some people use speed controller to tune one actuator to time with the other one. How did you solve yours? Thanks
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 9 месяцев назад
There is generally a very slight timing difference with actuators going from stop to stop. This seems to be caused by slight mismatch in the stop switch positioning (usually less than 1/32 or .030 inch) rather than actual motor speed. Matched brands - for example, 2 Vevor actuators should be reasonable close. I have built several electric loaders and other electric devices that use actuators. For loaders I have found that there is enough flexing in the loader frame to make allowance for the tiny difference in travel. Unless you build your loader arms really heavy and extremely rigid you should be able to use the actuators without any real concern. And if you are building extremely heavy duty, you should probably go with hydraulics. I hope this helps. Ed
@msamour
@msamour 9 месяцев назад
@@eds2centsworth203 Yes it does! Thank you Sir!
@KeithOlbermannn
@KeithOlbermannn 10 месяцев назад
2 Questions: 1.) When I google " 4 Position 4NO moment..." I only get results for 240v/380 joysticks do you have a link to the 12volt one you actually used? 2.) On your wiring diagram 9:33 you have the negative going to ground, Is this the frame of the tractor, or do you have an actual negative connection quite apart from grounding at all?
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 10 месяцев назад
Here is a link for the 4 position switch - www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H3NTWDD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Yes, I simply use the tractor frame as ground because the 12 volt battery negative terminal is connected to the tractor frame. It serves well for the 24 volts as well. However there is no problem with creating an isolated negative circuit, but I see no practical reason for doing so. I just use tractor frame - it's simple. Hope this helps, Ed
@JesseCase
@JesseCase Год назад
Hey Ed, could you provide a link to where you got your joystick from please. I have a Johnny Bucket jr. that I currently run off of switches and I want to upgrade it to a joystick. The one that Johnny Products sells for the JB jr. is quite expensive and also quite small. I really like the size and look of yours. Thanks!
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 Год назад
www.amazon.com/dp/B07H3NTWDD?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details I hope this helps. Ed
@JesseCase
@JesseCase Год назад
It definitely helped. Thank you!
@60Oldfart
@60Oldfart 11 месяцев назад
was hoping to see how fast these 12 volt actuators can raise and lower the bucket while loaded and how fast can bucket dump the load. The electrical is basic stuff.. not sure if this is even worth the time to build. I know most of them 12 V actuators are for opening cabinets drawers or lid and not so much for lifting heavy loads.
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 11 месяцев назад
The idea of using electrical actuators is to keep costs low in comparison to hydraulics. This works strickly for the homeowner situation where speed is not the main issue. That having been said it sounds to me like you will be pleased with a hydraulic system rather than electric.
@rogerplumacher7609
@rogerplumacher7609 5 месяцев назад
How did you hook up the off and on switch to the hydraulic pump?
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 5 месяцев назад
The loader in this video you have contacted me through uses electric actuators. It is not hydraulic. Possibly you have in mind one of my other videos on hydraulic loaders. You can see all of my videos on my channel " Ed's 2 Cents Worth ".
@bobbg9041
@bobbg9041 Год назад
2 questions, do you mow with it, and if not why not do hydrlics. The pto can drive the hydrlics fluid pump. The pump tank could have been at the back with the fuilds adding back end weight. There is a difference between a hydrostatic rear-end a lawn tractor is smaller. A garden tractors more heavy duty. Second is the a garden tractor or lawn tractor? Sure I can do either but I belive the hydrlics system is better, its more robust Electric motors fail when the coils get hot. Your actuators are electric motors And they can not get wet. Hydrlics it dosnt matter. A hydrlics system might cost more but not that much if you really think about it.
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 Год назад
Hydraulics are not new to me, but as pointed out in many of my videos, I have been experimenting with the DC electric systems to see if they are a viable option to hydraulics. I have been sharing this information by means of videos. Some things that I have learned by my experimentation and communication with other builders are as follows: Point 1. You hit the nail on the head when you said "A hydrlics system might cost more". I have built loaders with hydraulics. There is a considerable greater cost with hydraulics. At least 5 to 1 when using the electric actuators depicted. Point 2. There are people out there that are constantly striving to find another way at doing things. Sometimes they actually improve things by their persistant efforts. I mean if we didn't try things different we wouldn't have cheeseburgers, just hamburgers, we wouldn't have flat screen television, just the old bulky box televisions. Point 3. Many would be loader builders are on severely limited budgets. They've got to use that riding mower as a platform to build off. They don't know much about metal fabrication but are willing to learn on a project that they can afford to mess up on. They can't afford or do not think it is worth the $1000 - $1500 dollars to buy the hydraulics to install on a riding mower - so they opt for the $200 - $300 install of electric actuators. In other words for many builders, the simpler inexpensive electric version is the place to learn and then later opt for the hydraulic version. Now it should be acknowledged that at the current time hydraulics are definitely superior! However, that may not always be. Personally, I applaud the builders that have figured out the different ways to build there loaders. It is inspiring to see their ingenuity. Please don't fault us for trying to build a better hamburger.
@brandondillard2306
@brandondillard2306 10 месяцев назад
You are really smart.
@MrCarmelo1959
@MrCarmelo1959 8 месяцев назад
Hi me again I’m wondering the actuators I have came off of adjustable beds I’ll be using them if I can how do I protect them from the weather??
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 8 месяцев назад
You protect them from weather by creating covering for each actuator or the only other option is to not use in bad weather and keep covered when not in use ( park inside garage or shop - best, put a good quality tarp over - 2nd best).
@MrCarmelo1959
@MrCarmelo1959 8 месяцев назад
Hi also I have 40v Ryobi batteries can I use it for this application??
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 8 месяцев назад
Be sure to watch this video for voltage above 24 - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-p5BOtLRpDs8.html
@southbridgeforestHOA
@southbridgeforestHOA Год назад
what is total approximate cost please? great videos!
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 Год назад
That depends. Using the same design that I used - if you have a source of used steel that you can repurpose you can probably build the loader for around $400 to $500.00. If you are buying everything new it would be around $950.00. My build was a mix of repurposed and new materials. I figure I have about $750 invested in materials. Ed
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 Год назад
Also, I used existing tool batteries, so I didn't need to buy the batteries. I you don't have any battery operated tools then that would be an additional cost. While the loader will run on a 1 amp hour battery, I recommend at least a 4 amp hour battery. Ed
@southbridgeforestHOA
@southbridgeforestHOA Год назад
@@eds2centsworth203 I thought you were using a 12v tractor battery. you are using 18v corless tool batteries/ I guess I need to rewatch the video I missed that.
@eds2centsworth203
@eds2centsworth203 Год назад
Using 12 volt tractor battery to supply power to Joystick. The joystick then supplies 12 volts to the switching terminals of the solenoid relays. I use a 24 volt tool battery to the big terminals on the solenoid relays. The relays send 24 volts to the actuators. @@southbridgeforestHOA
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