i don't know what's funnier: the fact that the queen's utter insistence on humiliating jack lead to all this shit, or that doing literally anything else would have created a doomed timeline
[S] Jack: Ascend: Also known as "The flash wherein a dispute over workplace attire causes the deaths of billions of people and the destruction of a universe."
SkyninjaX Remember when it wasn't the Black Queen who was the biggest threat because the Queen isn't a threat at all and the person who is the real threat is the King? Good times!
this comic proves how a vibe of something can drastically change throughout its creation, like this feels COMPLETELY different to anything in act 5 or after
This is maybe my third favourite flash after Jade: enter. So damn epic and great actions, without which there would be no story and all crazy things that they had to go through. I love how Hussie doing his animations, how emotional and drive they are, almost all of them have a movement that does not bother, but only attracts attention. And music especially, they are so good and very well fit.
Jack can kill the queen out of pure frustration for wearing harlequin clothes, but once jack obtains the ring and becomes the king nobody can kill him... what dress codes can do to people
just realized jack never wanted to wear clown clothes corbin never wanted to be a clown although corbin accepted it cuz he didnt wanna offend his father (and cuz hes not gonna go as far as to fucking kill him)
*SPOILERS* Indeed! Also, in the B2 session, Jack helped the current monarch (HIC). So, we have a Jack that killed his respective session's BQ, a Jack that help sabotage his session's BQ, and a Jack that worked with his sessions "BQ" (HIC).
Jack Noir. One of the most heartless villains ever. Became the cancer of the universe, killed 1,014 13 year olds, destroyed 13 planets, and a universe. Not because a loved one was killed, not because he witnessed his family get murdered. Not through being tortured. Because of a silly outfit.
according to what i've read from the wiki and from the story, prospit and derse are moons, with moons of their own, and they probably could be considered mini-planets with small moons.
When your cable freezes you get bored. When you get bored you play a game. When you play a game you prototype a kernelsprite. When you prototype a kernelsprite you prototype it with a harlequin doll. When you prototype it with a harlequin doll jack noir won't like the outfit. When jack noir doesn't like the outfit he kills the black queen. When he kills the black queen he steals the ring. When he steals the ring people die. Don't let people die. Get direct TV.
@halohell100 Well see, physics tell us that the world fits together by the strong nuclear force reactions between Protons and Neutrons, as the weak nuclear force drives electrons away from the nucleus, creating atoms. Or, y'know, you could just read the rest of the comic.
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ok, the whole "jack killed millions of people because of shitty clothes" thing is just a contextual joke. i do believe that its stated multiple times int he comic that jack hates the black queen, and will try and kill her, if given the chance and opportunity. part of the role of the players is to avoid this, by destroying the ring, and exiling/killing jack. allowing jack to get the ring simply means you have a much more cynical and deadly adversary to face. and in the kids case they fucked up.
Technically it's all Gamzee's fault. He used his psychic abilities to give John nightmares about clowns for his entire life. These nightmares led John to draw clowns all over his walls in his sleep. These drawings led John's father to mistakenly believe that John loved clowns, rather than hated them, which led to John's father to buy John a harlequin doll for his 13th birthday. This harlequin doll would subsequently become John's pre-entry prototype, thus forcing all Carapacians (residents of Prospit, Derse and Skaia) to wear clown outfits, which Jack hated, causing the events in this video and beyond.
its not just "wearing silly clothes" its about adopting a lifestyle to which you dont belong, a lifestyle that does not represent you. not just that but being forced to do so.
Can we appreciate how all this started not because of Jack not wanting to wear clown- er, harlequin clothing, but actually because Dave sent Gamzee that ICP video? -Gamzee became enraged -Gamzee used his chucklevoodoos to create a harlequin jack doll in John's Prospit room, giving him night terrors -John drew all over his walls from the clown nightmares -John's father thought this meant he liked harlequins, covering the house with them and even getting him a huge harlequin plush for his birthday. -This harlequin plush, which would not have been in John's house at all if not for Gamzee's influence, became prototyped, making Harlequin clothing a factor of imps and other dersites -Jack wouldn't have had to wear the clothes at all if not for Gamzee.
But how did Dave have it? The official music video for "Miracles" came out in 2010... It's a detail I overlooked, but before sending the video to Gamzee, we see in Dave's computer monitor some sort of web page, perhaps a music sharing forum, where many people are typing messages. One of them says "here, Mr. Strider", and attached it has a link which presumably gave Dave early access to the video. It was from the official Betty Crocker account. Given that the Condesce is employed by Lord English, this is just another loose end on the self fulfilling time loop that ensures his creation.
But Dave wouldn't have sent Gamzee the video if Jack hadn't shown up in the trolls' session, causing Aradia to send everyone to the meteor where they would meet the kids. Furthermore, if Jack never ascended, it would have created a doomed timeline and the trolls would have never existed to play the game, get attacked by Jack, and meet the kids in the first place. Fun stuff, huh?
Well yeah, the king would have just been super powerful instead, but the king probably wouldn't have destroyed the universe with red miles, which was the reason for him fleeing to the troll's session in the first place, to leave the universe before it was destroyed, so part of the mess, at least, as in, the trolls wouldn't be dragged in to it.
THAT'S NOT THE PART THAT'S INCORRECT. THERE ARE MORE THAN JUST THE FUCKING DRESS THAT MADE JACK KILL THE QUEEN. A SET OF FACTORS, INCLUDING LIV TYLER AND THE PARKING CITATIONS GAVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO KILL THE BLACK QUEEN. HE ALREADY HAD A DEEP KISMESIS WITH THE QUEEN.
That, and also if Jack hadn't rised to power, it would've been a doomed timeline. The recloning wouldn't happen so soon, Jade wouldn't prototype Bec, the Green Sun wouldn't have been created, hence Bec wouldn't be created and Jade would've shot herself with the dual flintlocks. You see, in Homestuck, bad things like this would HAVE to happen in order to keep the circle connected.
This, this flash is it. I think this is the point where Homestuck truly begins. Where the story stops being merely unique and interesting and turns into something mindblowing unlike almost anything else I've seen. This flash is what makes me think the best description for Homestuck is "4 kids play a game. And then it all goes to shit"
Yknow, homestuck is the only story where i alway felt like i knew less about it after it than i did before seeing it. Idfk how but this basically made sense of a plot line i couldnt make sense of for i think a decade at this point.
Its absolutely criminal that barely anybody has pointed out the incredible irony in the fact that Jack's entire rampage started from not wanting to wear a hat...only for him to put on the ring and have *an even gaudier hat become fused into him as part of his body until he became Bec Noir*
Well, everybody were busy crapping their pants about the fact that a murderous arch agent destroyed Black Queen on a whim and got much more power than he supposed to have.
+Xerulian Gaming from what i understand, jack did something the black queen didnt like. so the black queen tried to de rank jack by making him wear those clothes that the basic minons had. jack didnt wanna be demoted so, he killed her and tried to take her throne.
Ok so, let me get this straight. Jack Noir killed BQ because he didn't like the clown clothes, then stole the ring. After using the ring, he went on a rampage, putting the game into an unwinnable state. The kids decide to initiate the scratch, but also displace Bec Noir into the troll's session. The trolls flee to the meteors, after Terezi's meddling, they begin talking to the kids. Although it was ultimately through Lil' Cal's influence, Gamzee goes crazy from Dave revealing that his religion is mocked in the kids' universe. This leads to Gamzee chuckle voodoo'ing a Harlequin-esque Jack Noir doll into Dream John's room. This results in John scribbling self-demeaning clown pictures on his walls, hidden from him by Gamzee's influence. Dad Egbert sees these pictures, and decides to take an interest into Harlequins, to bond with John. In this gambit, Dad Egbert gifts John a huge Harlequin doll, which gets maimed in various ways, and later thrown into John's Kernelsprite. Upon entry, the Harlequin-ness causes the BQ to force everyone to wear Clown Cloths. All of this being masterminded by Lord English, through his underlings. Homestuck is......confusing
Homestuck is easy to understand as long as you're willing to accept paradoxes. If you can't accept events causing themselves you'll be forever confused.
Not only that, jack did not kill the black queen, it was liv taylor, a gift made by both pre and post scratch kids trying to help john in his adventure due to a jack going into a murder rampage, a jack they helped indirectly : )
YES YES YES THANK YOU There was probably a lot of bs going on before that plus everything that happened to him in like a week, honestly that would be enough to push anyone off the edge
Musically hardcore ascend, but going the essence of cool probably casual ascend. I mean hardcore ascend is literally throwing a hissy fit about clothes soo massive the power you exert is used to thrust you into godhood. Wile casual ascend is a more cold calculating power grab
When Rose is staring at all the 'MEOW's.... the words for a brief moment change to say 'GCAT'. Christ almighty are you kidding me. How long ago was this animated? Hussy likes to plan ahead. edit: That or I'm an idiot who just didn't know what the letters 'GCAT' meant. Still a clever pun ;P
innegativeion Could be a coincidence, after al those MEOWs were representing a genetic code and all letters in GCAT refer to at least one of the acids in DNA. I'd wager that he may have accidentally written Gcat, then later realised it and thus Gcat was born. But him planning ahead is equally as plausible given that Homestuck is neck deep in time loops and Hussie is known to have pulled shit like this but on a bigger scale already *cough* John's arm *cough* but either way, great observation.
The Red Baron ^^^ This. Hussie obviously didn't plan everything out, but he is really good at retroactive foreshadowing where he looks at small details in what he's already written and reincorporates them giving one off objects or lines greater significance or turning them into foreshadowing or a chekhov's gun.
The Red Baron It's a dramatic principal you could probably just google it if you want a more in depth or proper answer. The principal states objects on a stage (or in a story) should not be put in the scene unless it has a greater purpose (According to Anton Chekhov a play writer who died in 1904). The more common usage of the term means "An insignificant object that later turns out to be important." This is typically how old and modern writers foreshadow things. If your watching a play and there is a gun hanging over a fireplace on the set you can bet someone will eventually use that gun to shoot someone. That object is a Chekhov's gun. "One must not put a loaded rifle on the stage if no one is thinking of firing it." -Anton Chekhov
Some neat musical storytelling I noticed. After the cool intro, the "I'm a member of a Midnight Crew" vocal samples don't start until 1:16, after things start getting heated up between Jack and the Black Queen. They then stop at 1:28, for the cool transition with Rose and the Guardians, and don't start up again until, 1:57 where it returns to Jack and the Black Queen, and Jack kills her. The vocals literally signify the rise of Jack!
You ever just hate your job so much that you kill your supieror become a omnipotent being mad with power bent on killing everything then get transported to a different universe and kill almost everything there
a tale of 3 jacks "One was bri'ish and died, one was a member of the midnight crew and died and the last one started a killing spree because of a goofy hat."
Also, VERY early on in the story when John looks through his magic chest, and he comes upon Colonel Sassacres book, he mentions its big enough to kill a cat, which happened many years later to Roxy. Hussie is really amazing.
Spore4ever he wrote more than 1600 pages in a YEAR. You go, Hussie! Granted, a lot of these pages were simpler than the ones in more advanced parts of Homestuck so he probably didn’t spend as much time, but still; DAMN.
+ähvä I love it because at the time it was just like "oh neat, it's a coded genetic sequence". Now we know it was not only that, but a goddamn hint at another First Guardian. I love how you can see all these hints when rereading through Homestuck again :D
+ähvä He planned the entire story from the start, before he even begun homestuck. He even says that he storyboarded ACT 7 a few months before the start of homestuck.
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