For those not aware, that is VERY dark for CVT(HCF2) fluid. In Hondas, the CVT fluid does not get pitch black like traditional ATF does. Doing drain and fills every 30-50k and making sure the Transmission module is up to date will dramatically increase the life of the transmission. I say this as a Honda Tech with 10 years Experience.
@@stormierbody8419 It's only lifetime sealed if the owner chooses not to service it. I have seen those types of warnings on other makes and models, but never on a Honda transmission, as of posting this.
Hondas have always had drain plugs if the brand of car you're looking at doesn't have one or no pan you can take off avoid buying it@@stormierbody8419
@@dennisbagatin4480 The only way to know for sure is to hook it up to a computer with right software and check that the computer is up to date. I haven't personally seen any issues on those specific Civics transmissions or had to update them.
naw the gears are selected by pulleys and shit those shavings don't mean much, at least not from what I learned after digging into a 14' jeep Patriot after a trans fail. ended up just buying my wife a whole new car! never again will I buy anything with a CVT
Even older automatics do better than these newer, higher tech autos. We're doing worse at designing these things. I shouldn't say that, they are designed probably how they want them to be, costly after warranty.
When I was a tech at Nissan we all did like one to 2 cvt swaps a week. All warranty time so they didn't pay well lol it got to the point where the foreman (who was also the dispatch) had us pull straws after we all did our 2 for the week to see who'd get the next one 😅
Oh man, I owned a Murano for almost 10yrs. Went through two transmissions and also owned a Spec V that lost compression due to pre-cat failure. After owning Nissans exclusively since 97, I’ll never go back til they stop the madness.
Now they have variable compression ratios to go along with the variable trany. It drives the car testers crazy all the vehicle searching for a little extra fuel economy. Hybrid is the way to go. Let the electric stuff handle the mundane and the gas engine can assist as needed.
@@hondanazi4246facts looking at this transmission and a roller cam and lifter setup for my 92 sierra. Will have to cut the drive shaft, and flash an ecu to get the electrical shifting mebobers to get going properly. Mainly looking at this combo for the 4 speed od and the reliability of a 383 stroker engine
Got a a518 in my custom 12 valve swap 2005 got a rev max converter etc. I basically believe 727 one of the best out there for low power builds for reliability the rest is what it is a slow shifting odd feeling transmission but man they are reliable I got the 727 with od tv throttle shift I got it out of a field with water in it cleaned it real good and drove it from Texas to co I live here now and I got a modded 12 valve motor with headstuds and a big turbo eventually the 727 is Simple enough I’m going it rebuild it myself one day. You can build it to hold 700hp damn near under 2gs not many trans are doing that and are very simple with no computers etc
I actually commented the same exact thing. Its so unprofessional and just shows exactly why people just work on their own cars. People nowadays have absolutely zero trust in mechanics nowadays and i dont blame them. I literally will never ever take my car to a mechanic for any type of fluid change. And this is the exact reason why. These two guys could literally give two shits about anyones car. They are both there just waiting to get paid. Its not their car so they dont care, thats the attitude these young punks have. I don’t recommend anyone going to this shop. Laughing about someones transmission dying?? Absolutely sick.
The car manufacturers. Are going to build what gives the maximum. Mile per gallon. As EPA standards, keep tightening up. CVT’s are able to provide the best MPG’s currently. I believe Subaru is discontinuing. Manual transmissions. Even on the WRX models.
@@randyduncan795 It’s going to be kind of hard. To avoid owning a CVT in the future. It’s like the mid 1980’s. When rear wheel drive models were being replaced by. Front wheel drive models with transverse engines. People were resistant to the changes. The Corolla was a rear drive model. Until around 1986. Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Hyundai, kia, Nissan, and Ford hybrids. To name a few. Are all CVT’s. That is just the reality of the times we now live in. Just like the engines designed for OW-20. That might have oil consumption. Or oil dilution problems. The car manufacturers will just declare what is acceptable. And within their manufacturer’s specifications.
I just bought a Civic Hybrid with a bad CVT and replaced the CVT with a working one. Apparently, they can go 300k+ miles, but you have to change the fluid every 30k miles (per the manual), and the fluid is expensive. Most people don't do that, so many of them don't last long
My local Honda dealer sells the fluid for $15/quart. Drain and fill requires 4 quarts. With a 30k change interval, that might be every 18-24 months. $60 over the course of 18-24 months isn’t asking too much.
@@edmondlau511you are just quoting the price of fluid not the service 😂 even at the lube shops the cvt is atleast $220 and at dealership it's even extra.
Those are ecvt. The tech inside them is totally different than the traditional cvt. Ecvt has a electric motor generator and the engine acts as a generator and runs the motor during acceleration from stop. After getting upto speed the fixed gear engages and the engine directly drives the wheel. This also makes implementation of hybrid system super simple as you just have to add a battery between the motor generator & drive motor. Toyota pioneered this technology and they are way ahead of the competition for years. These ecvt's require less maintenance than regular manual transmission. They have been developing this tech for almost 2 decades.
Hard to find too bc the manufacturers know that there's less customers for them. I'm actually looking for an old small truck s10/ranger size even in a truck like that they're hard to find. Easier to work on and cheaper. Another reason manufacturers went away from them.
Born in 52 I know how to drive stick including "3 on the tree" plus double clutching. Unless I'm doing Mountain driving and / or live way out in the desert, I prefer an automatic transmission any day of the week. Take care and drive safe. DocW
Problem is the new kids nowadays are a new kind of stupid. Most don’t even know how to drive an auto. In my neighborhood we have some driving instructors that can’t park within 12” of the curb or understand what the 2 and 1 are on the shift selector. Actually even have trouble with the English language.
they do, but also compounding the problem is they put cvts in progressively heavier cars, without the correspondingly stronger internals, at least on Nissan
To be honest, it's not totally wrong to think that. One administration wants more regulations costing the companies more money therefore they cut costs to keep profit the same and one side cuts regulations making total cost cheaper leading to lower prices and same or better quality.@@christopher6895
Most hondas thats what they have used for years specially on manuals. No socket just the wrench. Not like a nut where it can strip this is very hard to strip.
I am a Toyota tech. Other than the CHRs, I’ve rarely seen issues with our CVTs. The vast majority of them will get over 100,000 miles without any problems. I’ve heard other brands are different but not all CVTs are complete trash.
My 15 year old accord sedan v6 is more reliable than the brand new stuff theyre selling.1.5L turbos and hybrids get better fuel economy but the savings are wasted at the mechanic
I have a nissan altima with a cvt thats going out. Its moves and goes in gear but doesn't gove over like a mile an hour. It a car i inherited so its free. Is it worth fixing. The engine is solid
@C.A. Nations I heard there was going to be a class action lawsuit against Nissan over that, but not sure If iT took off. If the car is in good shape, price out a rebuilt transmission. Then decide if it's worth it or buying a nice newer car.
@@ericdarmawan9504 really cuz I replaced my cousins CVT at 52,000 miles on a 2018 Corolla which is wayyyy more difficult to replace then most Nissans I’d like to add. Found out there is a bulletin for it along for multiple CVT’s from Toyota. Honda is not safe from it either their belt assemblies come apart. Now this doesn’t apply to all Toyotas or All Hondas. But I stand by what I said. NO ONE IS SAFE FROM CVT’s
@@powar7746 considering that most Nissan CVTs blow up on the regular straight out of the factory new then yea I blame CVT. Far easier to break than other types. Plus they’re sluggish on start.
@@TheCrystalGlowsounds like you need to learn that not every cvt is a missan cvt trans. There are multiple companies that make things. Honda makes amazing 2.0 L 4 cylinder engines. But they don’t make their own transmissions, and you need to maintain them.
CVTs are great until they aren't 😅. He could have had great fuel economy with a manual transmission and not have any issues. But nooo people have problem shifting their own gears.
I've had torque converted automatics fail as well. The biggest issue with a CVT transmission is that they aren't properly maintained (unless it's a Nissan Jatco unit..they are not built properly). Honda, Toyota, Subaru and others make a fine CVT. Just make sure you change the fluid in them every 20k-30k miles. I change my oil every 5,000 miles regardless of the "Oil Life Monitor". Every 4th oil change is a CVT fluid change. Simple to keep up with and i already have the car on stands, so it's easy.
Correct. I’m going to lose an auto trans due to not servicing it every 30k miles like the manual said. I first serviced it at 120k miles. It was already too late. It fixed the rough shifting issue but six months later, it started to slip. This video is a reminder that transmissions are not meant to be neglected. There are a lot of great transmissions out there, but the owners neglect them, so they get a bad rep they don’t deserve.
Honda’s CVT design is very solid. The only time I see these things fail is when folks abuse the hell out of them. & people today are so silly to never service their transmissions
So after buying a used Nissan Murano with a CVT I asked the manager of the repair business that I've been going to for years and years even bought him and his family breakfast one Sunday morning because he's done such a great job for me go to pick up the car look at the receipt and he's never changed the fluid in the transmission six months later he tells me when I have my car limped into his shop tells me the job will be $7,000 to replace it really heartbreaking I had the money to have the transmission fluid changed but I did not have the money to change the transmission now my son-in-law warn me on these Transmissions
I’m going to lose an auto trans due to not servicing it every 30k miles like the manual said. I first serviced it at 120k miles. It was already too late. It fixed the rough shifting issue but six months later, it started to slip. This video is a reminder that transmissions are not meant to be neglected. There are a lot of great transmissions out there, but the owners neglect them, so they get a bad rep they don’t deserve. Some transmissions are overbuilt, regardless of them being neglected or not, they generally will last anyway. Some are reliable but not overbuilt, where if you do neglect it, the transmission will fail early but if you take care of it, it will last a long time. Then you have unreliable transmissions where it doesn’t matter whether you service it or not, it will fail early.
Try lucas transmission stop slip, Ford Type F, and even Tractor Hydraulic Oil as last ditch measures to save the car. Also change the filter. Plugged filters lead to low line pressure that keeps the clutches and bands from fully engaging.
I changed the fluid on the 2015 altima every 30 k miles and it lasted me 150k before i sold it for 10k during covid…. I really miss it….astonishing on fuel!!!
I’ve been working on passenger cars and heavy trucks for more years than I can count. From my experience on CVT transmissions. I’d never buy a vehicle that has one. The smoothness of the ride and being able to go 120 mph in reverse isn’t worth the problems they always have. If you have a heavy foot and are known to shift from reverse to drive without coming to a complete stop, don’t buy any vehicle with one. It’s gonna break.
I use amsoil CVT fluid on my 2020 honda civic sport 2.0. I change my CVT fluid and filters every 30,000 miles. I have 66,000 miles on my civic and i have no issues.
KEY POINT: Change the CVT trans fluid & filter every 30k miles with the correct, OEM fluid! My wife drives a '17 Nissan Rogue (over 100k miles now) with the crappy CVT.... but it still operates like new thanks to fluid and filter changes every 30k miles. I'm meticulous when it comes to maintenance... and that makes a huge difference... now not to say that it may fail at some point... but I'm fighting it all the way!
I had one of those and the cvt crapped out @78k. Left me in the middle of the road. The car wouldn't move until it cooled down. I was just glad I was on a side street when it happened. This car had all its maintenance done on time and was driven 95% hwy miles, and it still happened. Guy at the dealer said he done one that only had 900 miles on it, so i think it's not necessarily a maintenance issue, but more of a design issue.
Mechanic: Good news, bad news, which one you one first. Customer: Bad news! Mechanic: Well, your transmission is jacked and it will cost you $8,000, but the good news we were able to save the drain plug.
Lol don’t use this as a way to think CVTs are unreliable. Honda and Toyota CVTs have very little issues if any. Most of the time it’s because of the owners who don’t change the transmission fluid. Of course time from time there will be a bad egg.
Should’ve seen the old Saturn VUE CVT failures years ago. It would rain links when you pulled the drain plug. Of course, don’t touch it till you got punch time on the WO cause it seemed like they were all still covered
Cage??? The hell you talking about? How many miles were on it? Did it have any changes before? I hate people who dump their problems onto others like you. Karma will catch up to you one of these days bruh
Toyota and Honda make really durable and reliable vehicles that can outlast American cars but those cvt trans are complete garbage and should not be allowed on any car brand
I have a CVT 2013 accord sport, 4cyl, CVT FWD 189 Hp man, few mods to the engine making me 320Hp but i’ve only ever had to replace the stock timing chain, engine valve cover, front axle seal, battery, everything else has been perfect for 222,000 miles still going too!
But stop and go traffic becomes miserable in a manual. Plus you have to worry about clutch replacement. And money shifting. And accelerating slower than automatics
You have conventional automatics, and dual clutch automatics(a manual transmission that is shifted automatically). These two types are more reliable than the cvt.
CVT transmissions are good in theory. Unfortunately manufacturers haven't executed them very well so far. If they can be built stronger and more reliable. It would be great
Imagine walking into the waiting room with that drain plug and handing it to the customer and telling them that it's the only thing left of their transmission that's good...
Honda Recalling 143,000 Civic and Fit Models for CVT Trouble On the 2014-2015 Civic and 2015 Fit, the continuously variable transmission (CVT) may have a weakened drive-pulley shaft (the part connected to the crankcase) that can break when exposed to high hydraulic pressure.
as a Honda Technician working for Honda, I can Confirm that,... ALL HONDAS FROM 2015+ are GARBAGE, CVT's fail regular basis, even the new Type R has camshaft problems and all Earth Dreams have injector and timing problems dont get me started on the 2022 civics/hybrids either,... those cant even handle a minor front-end fender bender without compromizing the brake master cylinder which is mounted behind the passenger headlight on the frame rail rendering the car undriveable
Probably did something to the gear selector I know the DSL are easy to switch between so imagine at highway speed instead of selecting Sports you go to Low.. the paddle shiter gear boxes don't have L
I hope they brought their checkbook. And their OTHER checkbook. I'm not convinced there has ever been a durable, efficient, nice to drive CVT in a passenger car or truck. Now......a twin screw 8 speed "automatic" with paddle shifters? Best possible combination. That's just two 4 speed manual transmissions with offset gear ratios and two electric clutches. The computer can do all the shifting and you get better fuel economy than the magic continuously variable slush box. AND the fun and durability of a manual.
Looks like part of the primary piston, if it didint scratch the housing, it's actually a pretty cheap repair if you do it yourself, the parts are like $150 bucks.
Pretty typical for any Honda CVT paired with the 1.8l engine. The CVT belt isn't made to last long. The belt is the metal you see coming out with the drain plug, or at least what used to be the belt.
Can you give more details about this transmission what year how many miles, why they brought it in or was it towed in. Most people know this about hondas cvt but dont get the details of the vehicle. The biggest question is did they observe the 25k fluid and filter services for the cvt.
This vehicle was towed in. Im not sure what the mileage was but it was over 100k i believe. Most of the time the failure is due to neglecting maintenance intervals and driving aggressively/long periods of time. overheating dirty fluid can cause the belt to slip. once it slips, its done for.
@TE VIDEOS Thanks for the info. I have a 2016 Hrv that i bought brand new in 2015 and have changed the cvt filter and oil every 25k. I also leave the econ button on and dont drive it like a race car. So far no issues so im glad but i really wish i would have chosen the manual for more reliability.
People if you have a CVT in your car please change your fluid every 25,000 miles please if you want your transmission to last... I had the Honda with the 1.5 turbo & a CVT I put about 50,000 miles with it tuned driving very VERY hard & it never gave me a problem but I changed it 3X that I had it!
Bogus when you see a shop you took it to so they have help you and they are laughing at you and joking about how it will be expensive instead of thinking of ways to save you some coin.
