Horizon - A Very Long American Saga 

Except when you do bullshit like this, it stops studios and others to invest in "passion projects." Faulty logic.

Too bad the movie is shite

@@williammccormick984 Lmfao you're blind dude.

Corrupt how?

@@REELWORKS12923 I can't wait for Megalopolis.

Genius... I can't stop f-n laughing!!!

So Game of Thrones in the American West? Sign me up!

Sounds interesting.

Can we make the Native Americans blue?

​@@ECKohnsWestworld😂

Well you don't have to wait long for the next one it's out in two weeks

Damn straight. Couldnt give a rats arse what hollywood reporter or tomatoes think. Ive always loved westerns n Loius Lamour books,looking fwd to seeing the landscape on the big screen,cant wait!

@@TommyLee-hu5dyThe next one just got pulled from the theatrical release calendar. Understandably

@@TommyLee-hu5dy No it's not. It's been pulled from theatrical release.

Agreed. Just got back. The bad reviews had me almost scared off. I've spent all my life in the western US (well, Missouri and parts west) and the stories are unbelievable when you read them in first hand accounts. My family fought in the Civil War, and I have those accounts of "Bleeding Kansas" and the orchard they lost in Missouri when they were driven out. The tales of those places, the Mormon wars, the Civil War, reconstruction, it's all there. It seems many journalists (should be in quotes) are just no longer interested in verifying that stories exactly like those in this movie ACTUALLY happened. Women wandered out of the desert, long thought dead, with tattooed faces, having lived with the tribes that abducted them for decades. So many wagons that their tracks are in the rocks still TODAY. There are Santa Fe trail markers through western Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico, and people interstate right by, not knowing about our crazy ancestors who decided that walking west into the unknown with no experience was somehow a good idea.

There’s a name for this. “Vanity Project”.

He'll make his investment back and then some. Once this hits streaming and physical media the sales will be solid.

@@sthubbins4038 💯💯

So if a man puts his own money in a swamp subdivision near a toxic waste site, you respect that?

@@billnelson3405 I do if he finds oil and becomes a billionaire. But I'd hardly call this a subdivision near a toxic waste site.

Waterworld had some great moments even looking it when it appeared.

Am I wrong for actually liking Postman? Sure, except for Costner's dead acting and the over-the-top patriotism I liked the cinematography.

Tina Majorino was adorable in Waterworld. She was good in the film and she did wonderful as Enola.

I don't know. I feel like y'all are watching different movies than me.

Sheet Waterworld to me was awesome new and now

You're so right, i was surprised when it stopped ! didn't feel bored at all ! What a good movie it is ! Can't wait for Part 2 !

This movie did NOT feel like 90 minutes.

@@TwentyPercentDash 😆😆

​@@TwentyPercentDash it didn't feel like 3 hours either though. For such a long film, the pacing was pretty good.

@@grim_2000 It felt like 3 hours to me. I checked the time twice, and I rarely ever check the time during movies.

100% agree and I’m all for this western. Now if Tom selleck would get back to westerns I’d be beyond happy

@@brokenwrench404 Nah. He's bus doing Jesse Stone movies

I thought the same thing. Open Range is one of my top 5 favorite Westerns. But I saw Horizon Chapter 1 last night and was thoroughly disappointed. This video nails a lot of it.

@@brokenwrench404Agreed. Selleck is at his best in westerns, and a PT.2 of Quigley Down Under would be awesome! One he starred in that isn't well known is called "Last Stand at Saber River". It was a made for tv mini series based on the book by Elmore Leonard. If you haven't seen it, I recommend that you do.

@@brokenwrench404crossfire trail was one of my favorite westerns growing up and got me to rummage through my dads books and get into louis l’amour. I always take a small paperback or two with me to read when I go backpacking in the cascades for a few days.

Wait. You’re saying that the movie forces you to actually use your brain to the point that it’s advisable to watch it twice? … That’s actually the best endorsement I’ve come across in a very long time. I wasn’t going to watch this movie but now I just might. You see, I’m one of those weirdos that actually likes to use her brain.

One thing about movie critics is that they rarely ever get to see a movie twice (and some of them I suspect are not even fully paying attention the first time). It is a deadline-based business. I know there are many films where I disagree with "most critics", sometimes intensely. Some critics are trustworthy, others are hacks, but I bet all of them are pressed for time. In some cases, they seem prejudiced against long films might take a while to "get there"; however, there are also times when they love a film I find terribly slow & dull.

My wife and I felt the same - while I can understand The Drinker’s feelings about the stories not converging I can see how they’ll end up coming together in later chapters so I’m excited to see it

mabe drinker needs a wife

Totally agree.

@@doubleecho1980 agreed! Costner also hinted that somehow the stories converge in Horizon with the leaflets all the characters had as well as the dialogues. I am very interested to watch as the settlement becomes a town.

Yep, I liked it a lot too.

No doubt. I’ve thought Westerns were probably a thing of the past but this film was pretty awesome.

Have you seen Old Henry? I enjoyed it.

​@@Crunch2327That was damn good actually. Another underrated and overlooked gem.

Same here, I really enjoyed it.

same.. Cinema is not just about the Hero's Journey, as much as I love Drinkers basic thesis..

I dont get why its such a big deal he used his own money. The man was a multi-millionaire before, with more money than anyone can spend in a lifetime, and he still is. Its not like hes Kevin Smith using all his money to make Clerks out of love for filmmaking. This is a rich old man who is concerned about leaving a legacy when he exits this world and turns to dust like we all do. That isnt a humble sacrifice. Its vanity.

@@TheSuperappelflap Or so you think.

Honestly, even these few clips seem unforgettable.

Don't forget Clint Eastwood

@@mavvynne444 Clint’s a legend.

"greatest adventure, westward expansion" Greatest adventure ? What ??? It was an invasion of the indigenous people's homeland. The natives were fighting to throw the invaders out, and maintain it as their home. Which it was. The Indian wars were cruel and savage. Especially for them. They didn't have sufficient numbers or the firepower to prevent what we all know ended up happening to them. They gave it a good try though. You've got to give them credit for that at least. We would have done, and would do, the same thing, if a foreign power were to march in and attempt to take it from us today. No different from how they acted. Good luck living in your version of reality.

Unique???

This isn't unique though

​@sfdko3291 it is its own thing unlike the reboots and requels of today

I dont think they usually have indians in wild west stuff anymore nowadays so it was cool to see them again in something new. Im not sure if white people and black people hanging out and being friends was a normal thing during that time like they portray it in this movie.

Yes

@CyberLance26 I'm sure there were SOME cases of black/white friendships. Even in classic wrstefns they had that, Unforgiven being one example I can think of. Yeah, today's crowd really hates when the natives are portrayed accurately...

@@OrthoLou In old wild west stuff black people was a rare thing and old stuff cared about being realistic and historically accurate way more than todays stuff does so i suspect that old stuff about that time was more how that stuff was actually like back then. Also i meant more that the movie portrayed it as a normal thing that was everywhere and not that those kinds of friendships did not exist at all.

@@OrthoLou a lot of people don't know that Indians were at war with each other before we even settled in America, different tribes were always fighting each other for territory and other reasons, it's not like they were all peaceful (the Apaches are just the most well documented Indian tribe that fought Colonists and other Indian tribes as well), they also killed the Vikings as soon as they got there, but it's hard to know who started it. Apparently most of the Indian population had died from disease and war by the time the Colonists arrived. And of course it's not like the Colonists slaughtered them without trying to negotiate with various tribes first (it's why we have Indian reservations now) but, most of them refused to sell their lands (and rightfully so) so the Colonists basically ended up taking it by force, because Colonists had more manpower and firepower they all had to surrender eventually. Most people don't know that China was also a part of the western expansion, as well, they helped build the railroads with there own people who were slaves, Unlike the Colonists who bought Africans as slaves, (the keyword is they bought them) it's not like the Colonists stole Africans from villages, they were sold by their own people.

Shakespeare? Is that you?

I love that movie

I really enjoyed that movie as well. Then I read the book, if you haven't read it and you enjoy the movie, don't read the book. It is nothing like the movie other than they share the same title.

I liked The Postman.

@@AndyTheCornbread I read the book in high school, then watched the movie in college. Liked the movie better. That whole cyborg/cybernetics thing came out of nowhere for me and I LOVE scifi. Funny thing. What I remember most from the book, which was hinted at in the film (the donkey) was how important and difficult dental care would be after the apocalypse, lol.

No it's not. A classic western would've chosen one of the many plotlines in this movie and rolled with it for an actual complete story. This was a wannabe western with no real direction.

Its like Buster Scruggs. A western just doing its thing, telling stories and then leaving. Take it as you will.

Blimey, some people just can’t respect an opinion

I really liked the movie, but I did have a problem with the firearms in it. Everyone seems to have the latest repeating cartridge fed firearms, which didn't really become commonplace until the 1870s, especially in wilder places of the west. I would have liked to see more cap and ball reloading, which is extremely rarely seen on film. I can't chastise it too much though, I do hope at least 1 or 2 of the sequels actually get made.

Why does no one ever talk about No Way Out. Great movie in it's time (1987). Also has Gene Hackman and Sean Young.

I LOVE Costner's Robin Hood film!

But why a spoon cousin? BECAUSE ITS DULL, YOU TWIT! IT'LL HURT MORE!

@@gunghovagabond 🤣 ah yes....good old Alan Rickman

@@BlaBla-jj6sh I was about to mention No Way Out, Bull Durham, Hatfields and McCoys, JFK, Revenge, Silverado, and Tin Cup

The movie must have delivered for you.

Er, no, you're not a time...

He just should have fulfilled his commitments to Yellowstone first, he basically just walked away screwing them over before that story was done, show a little gratitude because Yellowstone resurrected his career and without it Horizon probably never would have been made.

@@deanfirnatine7814 he did not walk away from yellowstone, he was ready to film on time but on a limited schedule due to his own project... but the writer of yellowstone was not ready, he had not written anything due to all the spinoffs he chose to write instead! if you wanna put the blame somewhere for not finishing yellowstone, then how about the director that chose to focus on 5 or 6 spinoffs, or however many we are up to now, instead of finishing the main show?

@@deanfirnatine7814 he walked away because Taylor was being a bitch. Taylor got really mad that conservatives like his shows and changed a bunch of the plot lines

@@deanfirnatine7814 Yellowstone was and is on a slump. He even said he had to pick between that and his passion project. He chose to do this. Respect to him

The whole thing is toast, Put a fork in it.

"Long game with the storytelling." Sounds like a lot of words for "filler."

Heavily disagree. Some of the best memories movies are 2/3 hours long.

​@@possummagic3571 This ain't no Tolkien.

@@andreleclerc7231 and you're no Ebert.

@@ifyoudisagreeyouarewrong well... box office did bomb, einstein, maybe there's something to it.

This is especially true if there aren’t separable storylines for each movie within the overarching plot. The length alone isn’t the problem, it’s the lack of a plot to follow for this movie. Much less problematic if the eighth episode of your Netflix show hasn’t wrapped anything up.

brokeback mountain

Studios knew moviegoers wouldn't buy a 70 year old Kevin Costner as the baddest Cowboy gunslinger in the Ole West. With a box office take petering out with only $22 Million in 10 days, they were correct. Horizon is going to LOSE $100 Million.

@@daveclark8337 Not as much as the acolyte. Or madam web. Or any of the other woke garbage no one wants to watch

@@legion7478 Facts

@@legion7478 That's a good comparison in that those are trash too. But in Madam's defense, it at least sold $100 Million worth of tickets, which equaled it's production budget. The non-woke Horizon is on track to LOSE $100 Million.

Lol if you saw 1 black person. U would call it woke XD

@@erenjaeger1738 And you clearly haven't seen the movie...

@fhlostonparaphrase That one conservatives guy *See a black man* "THIS IS WOKE. BLACKS?!?! ANTI WHITE HERE 🤬🤬🤬" - 👴🏻

"Men acting like men women acting like women"? Oh boy...

​@erenjaeger1738 you didn't even watch critical drinkers' full video. There are black actors in the movie genius.

Like a more hopeful version of Unforgiven

That's weird, I always found vengeance satisfying. You know, until it happens, the world seems to be... off. After it, the world is back on the right track. It's just that artists don't want to be responsible for saying this out loud.

@@tomigun5180 People like to think that an eye for an eye is no way to run a society, but really its the only way to hold people responsible for their behaviour.

​@@TheSuperappelflap Sure, but in the film, they attack natives who had nothing to do with the initial attack on the settlement. Women and children are murdered. The group the boy created couldn't care less if the natives he's killing had a hand in the attack, or if they're even part of the same tribe. They're just as bad as the initial attackers who destroyed the settlement.

Those 2 movies came out at least over 20 years ago

Yeah but this epic adventure seems to want to throw all his previous movies into one. It's like he's trying to throw Dances with Wolves, Open Range and Silverado all together into one production. That's just not going to end well.

My criticism with Costner has less to do with direction than with acting. He's always been an incredibly 1-note actor. I remember seeing Robin Hoot Prince of Thieves in the theater like 30+ years ago, and thinking he was playing the exact same character as he was in Bull Durham. He has the acting range of Logan Paul.

@@Chadius_Thundercock So? They're both some of the greatest westerns ever made - yes, I'll die on this hill.

The issue isn't that he can't direct. It the fact that he always feels the need to overindulge himself in everything that he gets himself involved in, making several of his movies painfully mediocre and dragged out.

Totally agree with you the fact that professional critics don"t take into acount is a proof they're a joke. This is right down dishonnest..

​@@tiphainec5055 He didnt see hey hated the movie. He was praisimg it for the most part. He just said it has its flaws.

@@hulkfan97 yes it's true, I'm harsh for no reason woth the Drinker who was pretty honest and nice in this revew. I'm gonna edit

This isn’t too foreign but it has happened before with films like The Matrix and Che Part 1 and 2, the latter being a month between films as well. I think this film will be great once all four parts are connected, it’s trying to deconstruct the stereotypical scenarios depicted by John Ford and Wayne films. Costner is committed and I believe it will pay off.

Well said. Nice insight.

More movie for your dollar 👍

And Tarantino.

Which would be absolutely no problem if the quality was there to carry it. If the story is engaging, the acting endearing and the cinematography impressive enough, runtime is of no real consequence. I Gladly would watch 4 hour long director's cut extended editions of Villeneuve's DUNE movies for example, even though they do have their weaknesses.

That's why it's been 27 years since Costner has been the Lead actor in a Big budget movie. And that one was The Postman, also a major box office flop.

Apparently there are four installments of this, so that's 12 hours total. Shoulda been a mini-series. 12 one-hour episodes coulda been one of the best shows on TV. But four three-hour movies, at a time when cinemas are dying, sounds like a critical mistake.

Yellowstone is one of the dumbest, most ridiculous shows I've ever come across. I've seen it three times. Jokes aside, while some of the story arcs in Yellowstone are pretty bad (someone said it must take place in the John Wick universe, with the police, FBI, and Montana Sheriffs being very uninterested in the sheer amount of bodies piling up), Kevin Costner, Luke Grimes, Gil Birmingham, and Cole Hauser are just superb in it. They carry the show and make it worth a watch. It's Game of Thrones when GoT was good.

I like Yellowstone. Costner kills it

Don't swear, Monkey Boy

I thought his comeback was in Man of Steel, since after that movie he started appearing prominently in a lot of movies.

​@@PolarizedMechsI'm from Montana, and the body count in a single episode is like more than an entire year in our whole state. 😂 But apart from that, I've been amazed at how the show nails the socio-political dynamics we face here in Montana. Sadly, the very thing the show rails against - rich, "out-of-staters" moving into Montana, buying up and developing agricultural land, driving up land prices and taxes, pushing out locals who can no longer afford to live here, and bringing with them toxic values that destroyed wherever they came from - is what the show has brought to Montana, due to its popularity.

Show up to the theater 20 minutes after the listed showtime if you don’t want to sit through ads and trailers.

They need to sell urine bags and IV lines because they have passed the limitations of the human bladder.

Trying to get my Wife to feel comfortable showing up AFTER the start time has been difficult but she’s had enough of the long preamble too. 😂

Even in my 50's my bladder can't take it. I never could understand how people could drink a soda while watching a movie. I guess your best bet is to step out during one of the slower scenes. But I'm a completionist, and I don't like to miss things.

​@@jimmym3352 Same

Modern critics have been far too infected by current ideologies to be reliably objective. It's like the secular equivalent of having someone give all of their reviews of movies and shows based on how they conform to their own religious beliefs, and being offended and spiteful when you don't accept those beliefs.

Every western of note needs to be seen on the big screen to be truly appreciated.Indeed i remember being blown away by the Wild Bunch when i watched it on the big screen back in 1969. I have seen it several times on the small screen since,but to be honest a TV screen doesn't do the Wild Bunch justice

Agreed. 👍 It was an awesome theatrical experience.

How was it hard to follow?

The only thing I remember about Waterworld is the scene with the old guy saying “Oh thank god” before being blown up. Definitely one of the funniest moments in 90s cinema.

@@07foxmulderI will never forget Jeanne Tripplehorn’s bum.

Waterworld sucked.

I would rather watch Postman again than that turd devoid of all logic.

The ONLY thing I didn't like about that film was that the story seemed to jump all over and not stay on track and roll together smoothly. It felt like 8 different stories that shouldn't be in the same film but still edited together anyhow. I loved the sets and characters and action, but the story never made any sense to me no matter how many attempts I made to try and watch it.

Well, it didn't work so well for the Matrix sequels.....

Well Part 2 comes out in August of this year. Just a month away. Costner started filming part 3 before going on his press tour to promote these movies. So hopefully, Parts 3 and 4 still get made regardless of how these films do at the Box Office. It seems like Costner mostly doesn’t care how it fares at the Box Office since this is his ultimate Passion Project and is paying for it with his own money.

But LOTR had a satisfying individual narrative for each movie. They began having all the characters together before splitting them up, at which point we are already invested in them, and all had a climactic ending.

The next one comes out in August so it sounds like it’s gonna be pretty quick

I think a "passion" project that fails at the box office can rightly be called a "vanity" project. Costner has sunk all his money into the project but he is very far from paying for it. In a May 20 _Variety_ article he is quoted as "I know they say I’ve got $20 million of my own money in this movie. It’s not true. I’ve got now about $38 million in the film. That’s the truth. That’s the real number.” However he also said about the 3rd and 4th parts “They’re going to happen regardless, but they’re not already funded” and for financial backers “I need somebody that’s impulsive, is emotional, has money, and wants to go west. And it’s like: Now let’s see how much of a gambler you are. Because everything I have is in the movie.” So maybe Costner is quixotic enough to not care about box office returns but I doubt he going to find enough backers that don't care either.

Tombstone and Earp are neck and neck as to which is better. What pushes Earp over the edge, in my opinion, is Earp follows the biography of Earp (by Stuart Lake) pretty well. But yes, Open Range is one of my favorite westerns. That gun fight at the end is one of the most realistic of all western films.

Don’t agree with much of that but I can agree that Late Night with the Devil is great and surprisingly underrated, would absolutely be one of my favourites of the year as well.

I actually found it short, I was surprised when we reached the end , i was so in the story and in the West !

Yes, this would be a great miniseries. Surprised he didn’t go that route……like 1883 and 1923…..that would have been a good path to follow.

I agree. I think Costner is trying to make his Lonesome Dove.

Yes, it was called Centennial based on a Jame Mitchner (of Shogun fame) novel I believe. This mere TV mini-series was a far better product IMO showing the evolution and stories intersecting at a specific piece of land in the vast West.

@@melainewhite6409 There was also the Into the West mini series on TNT or TBS by Steven Spielberg years ago that was similar.

lonesome dove as well LOL

It's the Scottish accent, especially in Dindee

Same!

Yup and the postman is another one for me

It had it's moments.

I really liked water world

Water world is fn awesome. It's my second most favorite movie

He'd better try baseball then, this movie just ensured producers will avoid Westerns like the plague.

Bro it’s such a normie take, everyone knows about low attention spans and the goldfish statistic.

As a brain damaged goldfish, I feel I must protest.

The last 10 minutes of "part 1" was hysterically bad. Like we were chortling in the theater about how ridiculous it was. An extended montage of "next time... on THE FRONTIER" with random scenes, it was just so ill conceived. I guarantee this debacle is the result of nobody being able to tell Costner "no". This thing should have been a 10 part miniseries on HBO or Showtime but as a movie it just absolutely falls flat.

@@asmrhead1560 It's a series of connected movies. They aren't supposed to be standalone.

I also enjoyed it, but I am a real fan of the genre.

@@DanMcClinton They don't make enough Westerns, I agree wholeheartedly.

@@Hunnard That is no excuse for the first movie just... stopping. Don't piss on my boot and tell me it's raining.

Henry cavill

I sort of agree. The era when you had to decide between movies (too short and usually a one-off) or series (long but low production value) is over, and there is another option. Things like HBO made it more possible, to do the mini-series treatment (or high-value series with season-long stories), and then streaming made it possible to binge watch on one's own schedule. I think it is a welcome development, because content makers can just tell better stories now (if they want to).

Once Upon a Time in the West is the only one of those that is good.

@@JamesNixon-b7p maybe in your opinion. Open Range is an excellent movie.

@@streetfightinmanrs The gunfight at the end is pretty good. I'll give it that.

It doesn't drag, imho.

I totally agree Sadly not many people know that movies like "Open Range" even exist :(. A shame in my opinion, since especially Open Range shows Costner and Duvall at their finest!

I also loved it. I saw it in a full theater during a matinee. A classic Western 💯

I Loved it too, so different from today' garbage ! so refrershing

Given the poor box office,I don’t think we are going to get part 3 and 4

@@brendangkelleher2669 PArt 3 is almsot finished filming so we'l get that one almost for sure .. Question is on part 4 , but I guess Costner is ready to go all in. !he doesn't do that to make money or please critiqcs, it's his life project and I think he'll die for it

@@tiphainec5055 Have to respect the man for that 👍

Swearingen (sp?) was the coolest guy in the West.

Man, Ive never watched that and have kept hearing good things over the years.I guess I better get on it. 😂

​@@danbaumann8273 It´s the first series i would see if i got a full amnesia :D

​@@tonta182 lol

I think we need more of this. So many movies across all genres are so in your face 24/7 that its hard to care but when a film just does its thing it draws notice. Films shouldn't be everything to everyone and thats why Disney and Star Wars is failing at the end of the day.

This only deepens my conviction that I should watch Horizon instead of anything the Hollywood Machine belches out, because Kevin Costner is actually trying to make something good.

I love westerns, and this one is a long, boring, slog using multi-parts as an excuse to drag the story out for more money. I'll take Tombstone over this nonsense any day.

I'll take his Wyatt Earp over Tombstone any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Garbage and trash

Shout out for Lonesome Dove. Has Robert Duvall ever made a bad film???

IT's a very good movie , not for the critics of today I guess

@@tiphainec5055 people just hate Kevin Costner for political reasons. It's obvious in their shallow critiques. I bet most haven't even seen it.

@@Hollyweeds Ho really as i'm French I don't know that much about the politics of Costner .. why is he hated for that ? Too Traditional values ?

@@tiphainec5055 yes exactly. He's very pro American and some people just hate that.

@@Hollyweeds Gosh , when did loving your country and its history became a crime .. sad ear we are in .. especially with Costner whi is always nuanced about it .. I love this guy .. Actually he's pretty loved in France, I'm quite proud of that

The theaters owners won't give him a choice. They're pulling the plug.

My local cinema does intermissions. Love it.

@@ΑναστάσιοςΠαπαζαχαρίου what city?

@@WilliamLyons-ym7ee or getting older.

Like they would. (Edit: I hear the first two will be shown a month apart.)

I think Part 2 is coming out in August and Parts 3 and 4 will be released next summer and out a month apart.

If that’s true then hell ya, cause I ain’t watching if I gotta wait 4 fucking years for them to not film the end

Part 2 is already completed and dated to premiere in theaters on August 16, but parts 3 and 4 have not yet been filmed.

*Nailed it in one!!*

Not bogging down your story with exposition and just outright refusing to explain anything about your characters or their motivations are two different things entirely. Show, don't tell only applies insofar as you actually have the showing do the telling. Vomiting a 3-hour series of disjointed, confusing, unrelated fractions of a real story onto a screen is not trusting your audience's intelligence, it's shifting the burden of telling your story onto them. Forcing the audience to piece together the narrative you're trying to craft themselves just says that you don't know how to do it properly yourself.

!haha 2 seats !! You're the best ! Costner and this movie totally deserve it ! I'm gonna watch it a 2nd time in theaters and bring my father (who is suppose to be the boomer)

Part 2 is already completed and scheduled to premiere in US theaters on August 16, but parts 3 and 4 have not yet been filmed.

@@justinsayin3979 part 3 IS being film right now

that's a brutal one. i remember being scared from the evil witch as a kid.

“But why a spoon cousin?”

@@JugglernautNr9 It had a bit of everything, one of the reasons it's great!

Professor Snape was amazing in that role.

@@peterslaby9782 "It's dull, you twit! It'll hurt more!"

It was all old people in the theater I watched the movie in. One of the old timers fell asleep and began to snore loudly. It made the rest of us laugh.

If you have no standards or class, sure

​@@alexgrenlie862Right here. I have low standards lol. I enjoyed Waterworld.

oh, yes it was.... __

@@alexgrenlie862 Yes because watching movies is so classy... You'll have to excuse me if i don't value the opinion of a random no name with a raccoon playlist...

I enjoyed it and never understood why it got a bad rap. It’s not claiming to be a critically acclaimed perfect piece of art, it’s a simple popcorn action flick

My man!✋

No, they weren't. They were very much of their time - the special effects were top-notch for what they were. It was a time of bloated budgets by well-known directors. The problem with them is Costner being the leading man, as well as the pacing and editing. Not sure if he uses the same editor or if he edits himself, but he doesn't know how to create a taut action scene, nor can he maintain tension.

Our man here needs a double-bill rewatch.

In being shit

There were decades behind their time. The theatrical cut of Waterworld was a mediocre movie that absolutely deserved to get lost in the shuffle - seriously, look up the movies released in 1995, it was a stellar year for cinema.

The best parts of Waterworld were Tina Majorino as Enola and Dennis Hopper, imo. Along with the sets and camerawork. Costner was the worst thing about it

Lonesome Dove was a fantastic series.

Kinda cringe, my dude.

Lonesome Dove immediately springs to mind for me too.

Lonesome Dove has a scene or two that made me want to look away, they were so intense. I will try this film in the hopes it can be likened to Lonesome Dove. Costner deserves thanks for working in this genre. Hope I love it. We’ll see.

@@37view37 The West was not easy.