HORUS MEETS THE GODS OF CHAOS! 

Don't do Chaos, kids

Horus: I've got the power! Emperor: Feeling lucky, punk?

It’s interesting to note that even though they are Primarchs they are only a few hundred years old by the time Horus rebelled. They’re naive. There are loyalist space marines today that are older and wiser than the Primarchs were back then.

No, Horus makes the same mistake Magnus made, thinking he bested the powers in the Warp, so that he now own their power. That is apparently a trick, the Pantheon really likes.

I like to think that The Emperor truly took power from Chaos (unlike Horus who was tricked). It is why Big E is able to grant true death to The Neverborn, he truly bested them and so became The Anathema.

I feel like Horus stepping into the Warp and then coming out thinking he took all the power to himself, as opposed to having it granted to him, was a big fat "Just as planned"-moment for the Chaos Gods. He is much stronger with that mentality than if he had been subservient.

Horus: "Chaos was a terrible idea..." *after a moment of denial* "A terribly great idea!" Tzeentch: "Well... that played out ~JUST as planned~!"

"Hey demons, it's your boi..." - Horus after snorting too much warpdust

You see me now a veteran of a thousand psychic wars.

"I'm above the Gods, no, I'm beneath, no I think I'm above..." It feels like the story of Archaon

A story centering on Horus and his time in the warp would be most welcome but there are two sets of stories I've been dying to hear for years. One we'll likely never get. That being the tale of the two lost legions. The other however, it's at least a possibility. The tales of the loyalist Primarchs during their long exiles/journeys. Corax hunting in the warp. Russ conducting his search. The Great Khan wondering the Webway. These are the stories that tantalize my imagination. Thanks for a heck of an enjoyable week Wolf Lord!

Even if he did dominate the gods, being dominated is probably kind of Slaanesh's thing.

The Emperor one shoted Horus when he realized that he is truly gone for good, the gods fear the Emperor and i seriously doubt that Horus, the spoiled brat that he is, was something more than a toy, a tool for the Ruinous powers. I bet that Tzeentch had a good laugh out of this. I would have. Being a Chaos god that can destroy Horus with a snap of my fingers i would find it very amusing to make him believe that he actually beat me. Just like toying with an ant.

Damn, this would make such an amazing animation (Heavy Metal 2000/Spawn HBO style). Imagine him entering the realm of Chaos, go through a whole season worth of content with countless fights and struggles. Then, at the end when he finally comes out, it continues where his son's where waiting in a way where you could take the first episode and edit it together flawlessly to appear as if none of it happened, and all you see is Horus step in and step out changed.

To paraphrase Q Primordial Annihilator: You hit me, the Anathema never hit me. Horus: I’m not the Emperor Primordial Annihilator: indeed not, you’re much easier to provoke.

Horus meets the four Reality Tumors that ruin everything.

I would believe, that they tested him and each god wanted Horus to bow his knee to him, but he didn't force them. He might have been stubborn enough to not become the plaything of a single chaos god, but he is the puppet of them all. He danced to their tune without knowing it and they only ever gave him, what they wanted him to have. What they needed him to have even. After all, Horus was ment to destroy their enemy for them. No matter what Horus thought would happen, after his victory, the galaxy would have been theirs for the taking.

Horus: This is me one day on Chaos. Horus: This is me one week on Chaos. Horus: This is me one month on Chaos. Horus: This is me one year on Chaos. Horus: This is me one century on Chaos. Horus: This is me one millennia on Chaos. Mortarion: Brother what happened? You were only gone one second ago inside the warp and now you look old. Horus: *I AM A GOD*

I do feel that the wars he'd have fought would be more of a proving gounds than taking the power by force. After all, the chaos gods had a few primarchs to choose from had he failed.

The greatest weakness of Horus was his pride. If he thinks everything was his idea and that the power was achieved via his efforts alone, then his mind becomes pliable, compliant. That is, unless he had something to create or replicate the power of Blanks, such as a perfected version of an Animus Speculum and a psychic hood. But nothing so far suggests it, so he is likely a puppet dancing to the tune of his chaotic masters.

Horus becomes known as 'The Sacrificial King', that tells you everything you need to know I'd say.

It's pretty clear to me that the Chaos Gods lured Horus into the warp to shape him into a warrior that could truly go head to head with the Emperor, because let's face it, up to this point he would have probably just been crushed if they were to meet.

Horus: Put in a good word for me, yeah? Red Angel: K

I think this opens up the argument for who is better between Horus and Abbadon, and then utterly destroys the comparison possibility. The only thing that Abbadon has on Horus is that he got to watch everything that Horus went through, and then has a hindsight view on how to handle the shenanigans of the pantheon. This snippit also helps fill in the picture of how, as the story progresses toward the siege, that Horus is able to use his abilities to move through timelines and have essentially psychic jousting matches with the Emperor.

The Hyperbolic Timechamber 40k style.

I think what Horus perceived as him taking the power was actually his test. Chaos was setting him against their collective greatest fear and if Horus was to be their agent they would need to test him, and groom him. The man waged war along side demons, that no doubt changed his thinking and approach, made it more inline with Chaos.

...and all I got was this novelty mug.

He was thoroughly played we know because it was only the Emperor who at the final moment could banish the chaos powers from Horus. No one else. Not even Horus himself.

Horus was there to be tested, heck the second string was already standing outside the gate with mortarion, if any of the primarchs were messed up enough to go in there, stuborn enough to hang in the testing, and resilent enough to take the beating it would be him. He turned to save his sons from nurgals plagues and if not for his sons i think he could have dealt with anything. Horus wasnt the gods first choice i dont think,that was sanguinius, and they worked it so there was a double A batter in the box in case horus jones struck out. I doubt his performances were enought to "take" the powers of chaos undevided in his mental state, but i think they it was good enough that he proved he was a more viable choice to them than the angle or russ or even the other traitors. So they gave it to him. The other traitors were broken, horus said so himself, at this point mortarion and luprical are the only 2 traitors not on a mad crusade, off the reservation on their own schemes or just out of their nugget so dar the gods couldnt use them. And of the loyalists, they knew they couldnt tempt the ones they wanted, manus proved that as well, he was the most open and yet they couldnt. And big E knew it. The only wild card was magnus, but already pledged to tzench and battered silly he was off the clock. So horus was quite probably their only real option and mortarion was a boobie prize contingency if he couldn't cut it. I think his straight dogged determination in everything, his desire to succed no matter the damage or cost, even in his political actions, would have stood him well as chaos warmaster. Thats why he was there, he would have been beligerant enough, down right scary enough to his other brothers as the death lord and powerful enough with the gods behind him to make a decent play of it. But with horus, he was left to grandpa since the other 3 had no desire for him after they backed the warmaster. Thats just my view though.

The real problem with Horace and the biggest difference between him and his father. Is that Horace went into the warp seeking to become a god. To take the power of God's for himself. The emperor did not. The emperor always had the intention of defeating the Gods. He did not go there looking for the God's power. He went there looking for more. This is displayed in some of the shorter works. The Works that have the gods be confused and intimidated by someone who just shows up after passing their challenges without them even knowing it. This is how the emperor did it. Such as the little girl who walked through the maze.

You made this all so exciting with the delivery, nice one dude.

Ahhh yes Molek another just as planned moment by yours truly

The Hubris of Horus.

i think since we know how it ends and horus him self shows his emotions moments before the emperor kills him. once he was under the influence of chaos he wasn't really himself anymore i don't think most of what he saw was truth. just what the gods wanted him to see.

I totally want to read a short story, or novel, of Horus in the warp. Great video!

If Horus had failed would he have been returned? The God's do not suffer fool's. Though Horus as a chaos spawn is a sight to behold in my head.

I wonder why the Emporor didn't just destroy Molek if it was such a danger to Humanity? Did he plan to use it again later or was not able to destroy it?

I think they worded it just fine. This way its up to us to imagine what kind of training he went through for him to become more powerful. Its kind of like if you dont see the monster in a movie it makes it scarier, if we dont see the training we imagine it to be more powerful. Love the vids btw, keep up the great work! Could you do more Ultramarine stuff? I know, I'm biased like you are for the Wolves lol.

He was the toy of chaos! If he had taken the powers by force, it'd be easy for the chaos gods to take it back like they did at the end when he LOST

For me, his time in the warp was just a test of the Pantheon. They needed to be sure he was worthy of the power, and what is a few hundreds years to the ruinous powers? If it meant to insure they found the right champion, then nothing. While I do believe Horus did “earn” his power, it’s only because not being worthy would have meant certain death, (or worse if he failed in Slaneesh’s kingdom 😳)

Ty for that short story :) Love horus and Fulgrim wish to hear more about them :))))

We see in the Book; Slaves to Darkness, that Horus did not leave the Warp intact. He left the best, purest and noblest part of his soul in the warp, fighting Khornes eternal war, walking Big Birds Krystal Labyrinth and so on. When Russ strikes him with the Emperor's spear in Wolfsbane, the subjugated part of his soul (the one he had back out with him) is weakened, and he's noble self fights the God's. To save his mortal body, his eqarry "Mal" kills the noble part of his soul saying; Lupercal is dead, Horus rises!

OH BABY! Choas undivided incomming!

Waited for this all week!

What if Horus took on the name of sigmar when he stepped through the gate? All of fantasy and aos is just his whacky warp tainted adventures

Horus' Training Montage! Thank you for an epic week of Horus :)

Horus was weak, he was a fool. This we all know.

I always imagine horus meeting the chaos gods and singing Shania twains 'that don't impress me much'

He was in the warp for a few moments, and he was in there forever. That’s the power of Chaos.

Oh yeah, Horus did exactly what the Chaos gods wanted him to do and they stroked his ego the entire time. The fact that they are still manipulating saps, many with the same method, only proves he was a puppet with delusions standing. Horus should have stayed the hero course as only then was he truly making his own mark.

I would love to see more. Definitely manipulated by the Warp. Even Abaddon calls Horus a fool.

Last time I was this early the mournival still existed

Horus Week is not enough. We need more Horus than this.

Apparently he fought wars with/for Chaos for hundreds of years in the warp when he went in, and when he came out was aged but had only been gone minutes when he came back into real space through the portal.

4th time I've hd to listen to this. Keep falling asleep. Not from boredom but you voice has witchcraft levels to it dude! Thanks for the great job :)

the book "wolf's bane" states horus is still in the warp, fighting/scheming/rotting/fcuking forever; he never really left... still waiting on the zombie apokolypse

Is Molek the reason Horus is bald? Did his incredible journey into the Warp gate age him into an old man?

Of course Horus felt like he was in control; so far as he knows all the voices, the visions, everything was just petty magic tricks because big E never bothered to tell the primarchs how dangerous chaos really was

Really enjoyed all these Horus stories this week. A novel, if not a trilogy, about Horus' time in the warp would definitely be worth a look.

I know your channel is small but please don’t stop what you’re doing. It really lets me gain an interest in books before I buy them.

I LUV YOUR VIDEOS SO MUCH.... PLEASE KEEP DOING THESE VIDEOS....U HAVE A TALENT THAT WHAT U ARE SAYING , GIVES ME GUSEBUMPS.....sry for my englisch , im from germany berlin

I own or have read most of these books, but thank you for your reading and interpretation of it all

The fact that "Vengeful Spirit" had nothing more than a couple paragraphs about Horus-in-the-warp really ticked me off. Compare with the WH Fantasy Archaon novel, all kinds of interesting escapades there in the realm of chaos - made for an entertaining read.

Although the anathema has sat on the golden throne for thousands of years. Has he been secretly searching and fighting within the warp to piece his once beloved son Horus back together from the billions of soul fragments he shredded him into when he killed him aboard the Vengeful Spirit? Has the emperor been atoning for his own failures this whole time? Imagine Horus was only in the warp for but a few short moments. Now think of how time has passed if the emperor has been in there for over 10,000 years. It would be unfathomable. Yes I know he is still somewhat present in real time as he is the source of the astronomican beacon but he did just recently speak to his son Guilliman so he could be split between the warp and real time. Just a thought.

As the red angel. Too powerful to kill, and yet so easy to manipulate. So much in this story is left untold.

This makes me think that the emperor obtained power and knowledge to create the primarchs in exchange of sharing the results with the Dark God. But as he refused, the Gods took what was theirs and that might be why some of the primarch are so weak against temptation because they were ment to fall in Chaos and that might be why the Emperor didn't want to reveal the existence of the Gods.

Change the nature of mankind and the power of the Chaos Gods would change as well, they can be manipulated from the materium if such a being were to ever change human nature COMPLETELY throughout the galaxy, an Imperium dedicated to the Greater Good model would be the Chaos Gods worse nightmare because they would have no more souls/energy to feed their collective power. Existence will eventually order itself through chaos and eventually all things find equilibrium in the end...

And yet... Horus paid a price. A large part of his soul is forever stuck in the warp, battling foes on behalf of the chaos gods. He gave up a part of himself in order to have the power he had in this scene. He is no better than his father. Worse, because at least the Emperor wasn't fooling himself.

Thanks for all your videos bro You really help us the folks who can't get the novel or warhammer books thank you very much brother

Good job as always bud

The Emperor battles against the Chaos gods. Horus is ruled by them. Broken and consumed by their indomitable will, only a hollow shell remains. Heeding not but the lies they feed him. The Great Game continues...

Horus gained the power "Frew pyewer broowt strengff"

WoW ..... "he naw owned the title 'Warmaster'" and then the heresy really began. What an ending to Horus week. Only thing left to say "Death to the false Emperor"

Awesome narration

I like to think he did conquer in the warp and take the power for himself, but that is why he fell to Chaos. The Emperor was wise enough to know to take the power of the Empyrean but not accept it unto himself, ie. he made the deal with with Chaos. The power of Chaos still belonged to Chaos. Because Horus took Chaos onto himself, so it corrupted him.

What's the easiest way to get someone to do what you want them to? Easy, just let them think it was their own idea... Poor Horus never stood a chance. Daddy issues run DEEP in the Primarchs.

Horus was the Sacrificial King. He was manipulated so hard. Such was told to Lorgar, Chaos' true vassal

if you believe what big E says about chaos, and believe what he did than it stands to reason horus could have done similar. Big E always maintained that chaos was not all powerful, that the chaos gods were not "gods", and that they could each be bested. I believe horus did what he said, he took the gods an harnessed their power, he is the greatest son of the emperor after all. I think the difference between horus and anathema is how they handled the power. horus was arrogant and ended up right back where he started. he had all the power but he was still influenced by the gods. anathema had no such ego. the chaos gods had hedged their bets between horus and anathema knowing it was likely one of them would fall and destroy the other causing the imperium to fracture and the threat to regress regardless. I think the one thing they couldn't perdict was who would win if they fought. when the final battle came the chaos gods were put in a difficult spot, back horus to the end, and risk total defeat by anethema, or pull out and keep playing the great game for another 10,000 years. the choice is simple for beings with relatively infinite lifespan. there are far less risky ways to win, and anathema had already been mortally wounded so mission accomplished. they could pull out of horus and let anathema finish him without much reprecussion.

"No bargain. Taken by Force" Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

Great video as always and wonderful storytelling. I'm trying to find all the other Horus week videos too. I wish they were numbered or maybe all in a playlist on your channel. --But it's not that hard to find anyway thanks again for all the great content.

I think what happened here Is that Horus gave 4 fragments of.his soul in exchange of the full unleash of His potential (like Corvus did on His own), after all only the four would know how.to.do.it besides the Emperor and the Primarchs, like Corax, new the truth about their creation and embrace their nature.

Horus was the tool. Abaddon was the prize.

Reminds me of a joke. A german shepherd, a husky and a cat arrive at God’s feet in the afterlife. God asks the shepherd « What do you believe ? » The shepherd answers « Helping, loving, guarding » God tells him « good, you can sit to my right » He then asks the husky « what do you believe ? » « Working, running, loving, having fun » God tells him to sit to his left. He then asks the cat « what do you believe ? » The cat answers « i believe you’re on my chair » Horus is a cat.

I think its both. He fought those wars, and thought he earned the power, because that's the only way the ruinous powers could sell him the lie. For the record, I'm about 60% chaos, 40% loyal. It started out more towards chaos. Favorite primarch is Sanguinius, than Manus, then Mortarion...

Paraphrase Horus: Fuck the Emperor, I'm gonna get mine!

We know that the emperor didnt make the deal long suspected now. The primarchs had a mother who was also a perpetual like the Emperor, and she was the engineer behind their making.

Kids,this is your brain:🥚 This is your brain on chaos:🍳

wow, i have no love for chaos. but i do want to see/hear of a story of Horus' time in the warp. even if in the end it was just an elaborate illusion of tzeentch that somehow made it all real to Horus. *looks at converting Abbaddon into Horus and getting Wrath and Rapture* 👀👀👀

Good point. We know that time is meaningless in the warp. Men can meet thier full grown son and long dead grandfather on the same day. If Horus has lead armies well you are right whom could he not have fought while a guest of the ruinous powers? Pre crusade, pre-unification, grey knights it is all open

Horus the fool, thought he followed the emperor's path in the warp but only has the words of liars to believe. I like to think that the emperor did go into the warp but not for the reasons written so far. Remember that the star of chaos has eight paths but only four chaos gods.... so who's missing? I wish they would add a new character into the current time line, a brother of the emperor, whom he sought in the warp but was missing as his body was crafted by the same mind (the omnisiah, a living AI from the age of science, that is the physical myth of pandoras box) as his was. The emperor and his brother are forces of spirit and birth many myths of man, such as the first murder (which is a demon that abbadon weilds) but also the light that humanity "stole" from Asuryan. This add a whole new dimension and balance to an incredible awesome universe, sense I personally see the physical plane as a contest of form and the immaterial as a contest of ideology. And humanity is a warrior on both sides of the battle. As for horus, I dont think he should be truly dead, it would be a waste but I would love for him to be in a paradoxical obuilette mocked by the very daemons he thought he mastered when he believed he had conquered the warp.

Didn't the chaos gods already explicitly state that horus was insignificant? They never had any intention of making him their champion after he did what he was supposed to do and battle Him. He was lured like a lamb to slaughter because he was WEAK

Remember...the ONLY thing that's a given through the end of time....lS THE LAUGHTER OF THE GODS....even Emps learnt that the hard way.

It would be wicked if GW produced a video game where you played as Horus in the warp, fighting against the chaos gods.

I mean why would he not have taken the power himself? The thing is, whether it is taken or given, it will always be a win for the gods on the end. The only destination no matter your motive or plans, would be the corruption of self, in the face of so much power. And that’s what chaos collectively wanted.

Horus fell because he was man, in all it's glory and fallibility, but at least he was a man, something the master of mankind could never attest and for all the scheming met a parallel damnation. LUPERCAL, HAIL THE WARMASTER

Thank you for your videos, i really enjoy learning more and more about the lore from them :) but i have a question, is the site blacklibrary the oficial site from games workshop? I actually would love to start collecting 40k books, i see the audiobooks (i dont have interest in those since i want to collect them) and a symbol of a e and of a book. Which one shold i buy to get the book?..

I think Horus did take on and defeat the Chaos gods, but that was all part of their plan. They need to bolster his resolve. Horus knew how powerful the Emperor was and the Chaos gods needed Horus to think him above the Emperor. So they they let him "defeat" them and take their powers.

GW could make a whole new series about all horus did on the chaos realm. Imagine the possibilities of all the horrors that could be described on those novels.

Horus is clearly ignorant. Chaos doesn’t need to make a bargain with you, or your consent, to make you theirs. If you are infused with the energies of Chaos you are theirs. What is striking is Horus lack of visible mutation or insanity. Chaos Champions who have accepted a fraction of the energy Horus did normally suffer those maladies.

Horus was a fool did not see the puppets strings