PERTURABO REJECTS GRANDFATHER NURGLE! 

If you think about it, Perturabo's character encompasses all of the chaos gods traits. He's a brutal and bloodthirsty warrior, He is resistant and perseverant in the harshest of situations, He is a prideful artisan, and he is a plotter and a schemer. He may not worship the chaos gods but he is everything they want.

Remember Perturabos line towards Angron. "You think me weak, but i have remade my strength. You, Angron are weak, because youve traded masters" now that line makes allot of sense

Daemon: Perturabo, you can't beat Angron. Perturabo: YoU CaN'T bEaT aNgrOn

I love how Perturabo’s line officers spoke more than he did and, he didn’t shush them or something. I feel like any other primarch would have taken the spotlight

Nurgle loves the indomitable giving into despair. When the uncompromising break & desperately look for relief. Iron does not break.

Dammit GW, you never should have made Perturabo into a Daemon Primarch! His story and cause is so much more interesting before he gave himself fully to Chaos...

They always said perturabo was the most underestimated primarch... Tell perturabo he cannot beat angron...and he will to a pulp out of sheer spite.

Sort of like Khorne and the Blood Angels. I love how Perterabo has his auto loaders cycle like a nervous tick. It's an ongoing thing with him.

idea: retcon things so that perty becoming a daemon prince is only what the inquisition or just what most people in the know think what happened. Instead, He never accepted any of the chaos gods and was instead able to become as powerful as any daemon prince by changing his body via machines through his own genius. Heck like others have said, he's the progenitor of the obliterater virus. Through sheer stubborn spite, Perterabo got through his own hard work and intellect that his brothers were given by higher powers.

I feel like if Perturabo, Dorn and Guilliman were working together, they would be absolutely unstoppable. No need for any other primarchs, just those 3 would have been enough.

I'd rather Perturabo being a Daemon Prince is not retconned, but rather his ascension being granted by The Forge of Souls. It's very much described as a significant power in and of itself within the Warp given that not only do beings on the scale of Greater Daemons have to battle eachother for the right to gain their services, but more significantly need to swear an oath of coming to its defense should any of the four Great Powers of Chaos attempt to seize it for themselves, including that of their own patron God. That it would fit The Lord of Iron flawlessy from a thematic standpoint only sweetens the deal.

Its amazing how similar perturabo is discribed to dorn in his moments. They act the same role, the way they talk, dorn is respected and kinda feared by his own men like perturabo. They even have the the same job, both are planing the siege of terra.

Perturabo: "For the last time, Nurgle, I DO NOT LIKE GARDENING!"

“Iron Warriors may’ve been Nurgle’s preferred choice.” The Death Guard’s highest achievements were spawning Nathaniel Garro and playing second fiddle to the sand castle builders. #IronWithin #IronWithout

NURGLE SHALL CLAIM ALL, BUT NOT THE IRON OF OUR LORD PERTURABO. IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.

I seriously hope you cover Angron vs Pert cause that scene is just great This is the most likes I've ever gotten for real I'm speechless thank you everyone 💓

Make Perturabo the first and only primarch dreadnaught! A super chaos dreadnaught screaming “iron without!” As he guns down loyal astartes

I'm gonna say it again. I wish we had a loyal clone Perturabo over clone Fulgrim. I want to see what Perturabo would've thought of the Death Korps.

I would personally love if we had just one living traitor Primarch who never became a Daemon.

What did these guys expect when calling they called perturabo of all people weak, seriously either chaos is super cocky or stupid, everyone and their mother knows that would piss of perturabo to a point that even Khorne would notice

A lot of times, it's suggested that Perturabo's ascended form is likened to the Ultimate Obliterator. I could see that. Rather than Ascending as Undivided or as the Daemon Primarch of any Chaos God, I could see Perturabo absorbing the Warp Energies to ascend and becoming an Obliterator God. It would be the perfect form to attract Dark Mechanicum around him and create new armies centred around Traitor Machine Cults and Daemon Engines. And then becoming effectively the "New Malal", and oppose other Chaos Forces.

The Iron Warriors really dodged a bolt shell there didn’t they? And the shell went right into the Death Guard. Damn Typhus

If GW somehow made the Dark Mechanicum a pseudo Chaos God or maybe a Chaos Omnissiah then Perturabo could be the Champion. The Daemon Forge worlds are supposed to be neutral in the lore so it wouldn't be surprising.

The wound existed long before Perturabo's fall. That wound refers to the eye that watched him all the way back on Olympia. The warp, the eye of that great storm, always haunted him, always eroded at him. This fall was put in place years before. Yet Perturabo said no.

Could this be why the emperor was so surprised when he heard that mortarion fell to nurgle as opposed to perturabo?

I think it's interesting to have two different manners of being an "Undivided Chaos" Daemon Primarch: one by sincerely worshiping the 4 Chaos Gods (Lorgar), one by worshiping none of them, only serving yourself and your hatred but still being their puppet against your own will (Perturabo). Maybe he didn't care about the Ruinous Powers but was still corrupted by the perspective of raw and huge power.

I think Nurgle had his influence on Mortarion for a long time, given all the 7 symbolism, like "7 guards within 49 (7x7) meters of him", and the fast corruption right after the cleanse of the traitor legions on Istvan. I think Nurgle wanted more than one champion

This makes one appreciate more the War of Rust and Ruin - a war of the 42nd millennia fought between the Iron Warriors and Death Guard, led by their respective Primarchs, which was bloody for both sides but ended with the Iron Warriors legion completely mangled and forced to retreat following Nurgle unleashing a machine-corrupting plague on Perturabo's titans.

I think I'd fit Perturabo best if he carved his way in the Eye of Terror without support from Gods or some petty Daemonhood. I really wouldn't mind seeing a retcon as to un-daemon him.

Nurgle would've loved the conceit of the Iron Warriors, rusted by his power into something decayed and broken, but still strong enough for his purposes. The Death Guard were already there. There's no fun to be had from their fall, it was just a matter of going through the motions.

Solo a gunship with only but bare fists, god damn it Perturabo

I think if nurgle turned the lord of iron, he still would have gone for mortarion, he would just have 2 demon primarchs on his team, one of rust and one of death. Its said many times that nurgle has claimed mortarion as his own, so he was kinda just destined to be nurgles (prob because of his dads dealings in the warp), but i think the others were more up for grabs, and nurgle will sometimes just straight forward offer his gifts

I'd love a retcon for 40k iron warriors that's makes them less chaos-y if that makes any sense. More technological monsters than mutants. Using all those robots of Perturabos design rather than demons

Who knew that when Perturabo hit something with Forgebreaker he was actually being merciful? The One Punch Primarch.

Ohhhhh snap. I've been working on a theory about where the Primarchs *should* have ended up. Always suspected Perturabo was meant for Nurgle instead of Mortarion (by the EMP's design). A bit like how Angron and the world eaters are obviously Khorne's consolation prize over the *blood drinking berserker* Blood Angels, but in reverse.

God the Iron Warriors are so damn cool, just no nonsense whatsoever. Loyalist Iron warriors like Dantioch and his lads are amongst my favorite aesthetics in the 40k universe.

It does make sense, the Iron Warriors' MO is a lot like the Death Guard in the sense of wearing their enemies down through constant, grinding pressure, albeit more based on mechanized warfare

I never thought i would say this, but i most symphatise with Perturabo, and am starting to think he is my favorite primarch.

No thanks nurgul. I want to lose weight

Perturabo beat Fulgrim,Angron,nearly annialated the Fists (iron cage). Killed a squad of Fist Terminators aboard his flagship. Shimm shammed the Lions war engines from him and has a cohesive legion after 10000 yrs. all the Iron Warriors are waiting on is to be called home by Perturabo.

I feel like Perturabo initially scorning 'gifts' from Chaos is right for his character, and I choose to accept his eventual ascension as a sort of martyrdom: a way to punish himself (in a typically twisted way), as oppose to a logical/desired path. Not exactly rocket science but head-cannon fixes all. More great videos, thanks!

And this is why I respect Pert and not Morty. Mortarion can shove his "Can Endure Anything" where the sun don't shine. When it comes down to brass tacks, the Lord of Iron did not kneel and Morty did. Iron Warriors > Death Guard.

I don't know much about the new lore, but classically Mortarions backstory makes him the better choice. The thing about Nurgle that makes him interesting his how he's a fatherly figure, and his cohort acts like an insane family more than a military. Mortarion needed a father figure, and his experience overcoming the toxic mess of his world really suits him to the nurgle motif. The real question for me was always how he orgaized the deathguard after they switched. I would have thought that the order of battle would just completely collapsed. New legions switching to Nurgle would just blend in. For some reason, I never saw Nurgle's desire to convert them as anything other than Nurgle being Nurgle... he's have taken all the legions if he could, and it would have been more of an adoption than a seduction. Mortarion isn't necessarily the only Primarch that could have fit in, but for the sake of the stories (which were written specifically for each of them afterall) his makes more sense than anyone.

Sons of Horus were always kind of sprinkled in to the various Chaos/Traitor, I hesitate to call them "Legions" more like collections/troops of respective Chaos Gods. Whenever there would be a large group of Chaos Marines, let's say to Nurgle there would be a line like "...and there were more than Mortarion' sons. World Eaters, Word Bearers and even Sons of Horus could be made out through their stained livery but all marching under Nurgles banner." or something to that effect.

The whole horus heresy is just a warning tale of what inept parenting can get you, magnus was never given the whole picture, perturabo was never appreciated, fulgrims ambition was never tempered, angron was left with the butchers nails and was never sent to therapy, mortarion was chugging poison every day and wasn't taught conflict resolution which his legion could use a lesson on, horus was never reassured, konrad could've used some therapy as well and maybe some primarch grade thorizine, apharius and omegron could have used some strict discipline along with reassurance about the big E's plan and well fuck lorgar there is no saving that one

How did he become a daemon Prince when none of the powers supported him. Chaos undivided doesn't cut it for me

Correction: Lorgar worships the warp in it's entirety which the pantheon takes up a huge part of. His search is for "The Truth" behind everything. If i had to guess: * Perturabo managed to barter with/fool all of the pantheon to ascend him, as he would still be more useful to them as shared than dead. * While Lorgar, which wasn't in high standing with anyone in the pantheon at the time of his ascension, was instead ascended by the warp, the Empyrean itself.

It’s 4am and I’ve just binge watched this entire series so far. This stuff is amazing, and it’s so great to finally see the Iron Warriors get the love they deserve. I really hope we get to see more of these legion weeks in the future, keep it up my man :)

Perturabo is very underrated by most. I like him behind Horus, Konrad and Magnus. That and his legion is whole in 40K makes him one of the biggest threats.

Angron lifted a titans foot off Logar. Horus freared him, Russ, and Sanguineous the most in combat. He didn't lose because he couldn't beat him. He lost because it was apart of something bigger.

This has been a really awesome Iron Warriors week. I have started to enjoy their legion more. Thank you for the great content Wolf Lord Rho.

It's possible Nurgle wanted both of them, for why settle for one primarch when you can have two? All four of the chaos gods would have probably wanted to get as many primarchs as they could, but because of the very nature of each primarch some would have naturally been drawn to a particular god and not been possible to sway from that god by the others. However, any primarch that hadn't joined any god could still yet be swayed in any one direction should that god find a way to do so, thus being highly sought after by all four and probably even fought over. Each of the gods would probably all attempt to petition Purturabo to join their cause, this being an attempt by Nurgle

A very extremely awesome video as always Wolf Lord Rho.

Wolf Lord Rho, I missed your 50k special but I wanted to say that it's awesome you're making it big on YT, you're one of the most genuine sounding 40k RU-vidrs and manage to get so much in short videos. Thanks, and I look forward to your 100k special!

I think Nurgle knew: he already had Mortarion and his legion in his pocket. He just wanted more.

Thanks so much for the video and sharing. I think you may be a bit off on Nurgle's ultimate intentions. Gaining Perturabo to his cause or allegiance would not safeguard Mortarion and seeking Perturabo before anyone or after anyone doesn't really express any preference by Nurgle or any chaos god. Nurgle wants all of them, Tzeentch wants all of them, Khorne and Slannesh wants all of them if they can have them. It will give them that tip in the balance over the rest of the ruinous power pantheon. They constantly vie for Abaddon. They constantly seek to take Guilliman if they can have them. The chaos gods seek any and all that will help tip the great game to their advantage in the warp and in the materium. Nurgle wants them all.

I would love if you covered the fight between Angron and Perturabo. I have always wondered how he beat Angron!

After Slaves to Darkness and seeing a pre-amped Pert take on and beat a post-amped Angron when everyone and their mothers made Angron seem unstoppable before the amp up, Perturabo is my favorite traitor primarch, hands down. You're not a loyalist if your favorite loyalist ain't Vulkan.

So much iron warrior love, what a week, what a sensational week!

Doesn't Nurgle and friends accuse everyone of dying? That's like their sales pitch

I just bought the novel from this vid. It looks amazing. The beginning of the book is killer.

I think Nurgle was trying to be greedy. If he had two Chaos Legions though, that would have made for more plagues

You did it again Rho. Perturabo has never been very interesting to me but now he seems kinda awesome lol

I Cato Sicarius still think he’s a coward

I'm so glad you're covering my favorite primarch and traitor legion. Iron Within! Iron without!

Your voice, the background music, and the flickering firefly like spore serve to calm the soul. You should do readings of the various novels man.

Wow ! Would love to see a cinematic of this .

What about the Forge of Souls? If I remember correctly it has three oaths, one is to protect the Forge from any and all chaos gods. Could Perturabo be undivided via the forge?

Well this video alone was worth me subscribing to your channel! Keep up the amazing videos!

I wouldn’t say he wanted Perturabo over Mortarion, it’s more likely he wanted both or whatever he could get. The death guard are just a better fit in general for Nurgle, they’re the toughest of the legions.

Honestly, with the way they fight the Iron Warriors would have been better champions of Nurgle.

Yea, I changed my mind... I would still like to see what a demon Perturabo would look like... but based on his intelligence and how awesome he is... I hope they retcon his daemonhood... Besides he's is about as nuts a Kurze, but more controlled and calculating... thats enough for me...

Maby Perturabo chose deamonhood to get that sweet immortality buff.

Another great one , I alwaya stop what I'm doing to enjoy these .

8:37 This,I hope they give us a good reason for Perturabo's ascension.

He's my second favorite Chaos lord after Alpharius.

This is really a special channel, I love it. What would You say, Lord Rho, about some Night Lords stories from their novels by Aaron Dembski-Bowden?

As i said in other comments, pert actively sought daemonhood,however he sought it in a different kind. he saw what became of his brothers who had all become pawns of their respective gods. what i see as possible is that he read the book of Lorgar in his search for information. remember Lorgar gave each traitor brother an individualized copy of his book, which we know holds information about chaos, as well as encantations, spells and rituals as seen within the book Vengeful spirit where Horus uses his book to bind a daemon. Thus Perturabo must have deduced that by pledging himself to all 4, like Lorgar, he can attain immortality and power just like his brothers and at the same time retain a higher degree of independence. he is probably aware that the gods will someday give him commands but due to their main focus being on the great game, they dont usually directly command undivided daemon princes, because the very next day they might serve another brother. it is more that their general actions fuel all 4 of them and can be used effectively against other foes aside from their brothers. i mean just look at it. all divided daemon princes or primarchs have acted in the name of their gods in several occasions, Mortarion in the scourge stars conquering for nurgle or Magnus in the stygius sector. meanwhile Pert has been left alone to do whatever he pleases for 10k years, same with Lorgar. in fact Most undivided princes in lore act more upon their own ambitions than in the name of the gods (because inevitabely their goals will benefit the gods in one way or another).

You sound like how I expect a guardsman to sound, love it

I’m a big nightlords fan but man I’m loving the iron warriors

Great video

Interesting. I remember the 2012 CSM codex describing how in M32, Perturabo had made a pact with Nurgle before attacking an Imperial world. I guess they patched things up.

Love it!

I really hope they do a Scouring series so I can read about the Iron Cage and Perturabo's ascension. I'm really curious as to what makes him choose to do it

Thank you for this, no one ever shows him love

And I just have the Hammer of Olympia ebook...Gonna read it as soon as possible!!!

Love your videos keep it up please

I really enjoyed this one

I would lover to see him fight Dorn and his yellow boys as a daemon primarch. Could be a cool story seeing those two are such loving brothers lol

I think personally, each of the Chaos Gods is greedy and always seeking an edge over the others. Its why Khorne wanted the World Eaters AND the Blood Angels. With 2 Legions to the other gods' 1 apiece they would have that much more of an advantage over the others

I see this fits with "The Board is Set" story about Mortarion's piece and the Emperor's reaction to it

Who in there right mind would want to be blessed by Nurgle?

Be interesting to see Perturabo & Vashtorr team up

It's good that they have followed up this issue... Perturabo WAS sapped on Fulgrim's ascension. I'm not sure if he was dying. Nurgle's emotion du jour is despair. He could have just been trying to play on a fear of Perturabo. Potentially, he was dying but not figuratively. Spiritually. The hole in his soul was sapping his sanity.

Oh I need to hear you on the angron beat down

I love the Iron Warriors. My homebrew chapter is a successor to the Minotaurs and thus of Iron Warriors stock (presumably).

From all these stories of the traitors makes me feel so bad for them

Dude I fucking love your channel I hope you get millions of subs. You deserve it.

I just figure that the “you are dying” is less to Pert specifically and more because Nurgle and his sphere, his beliefs and what-not. Nature and cycles

Holy shit your good at this gave me chills and I usually don't get chills