@mohammadishaque2965 So Mohammed? Isn’t naming yourself after your prophet a bit precocious? Anyway, exactly what part of Palestinian is occupied and what part is to be “liberated?” Gaza hasn’t had rhe IDF in it since 2005. So….. not occupied there. The West Bank? Small groups of Orthodox Jews that are bargaining chips for an agreement. One that PAL’s will surely break.
@mohammadishaque2965 What genocide was committed by Israel? Palestinian population has actually increased so many in past decades in that area: Population (mid-year, millions) Year West Bank Gaza Total 1970 0.69 0.34 1.03 1980 0.90 0.46 1.36 1990 1.25 0.65 1.90 2000 1.98 1.13 3.11 2010 2.52 1.60 4.12 2014 2.73 1.82 4.55 2021 3.12 2.11 5.23
@@John.giovanni169 you shut it! I thought we only had a far right but now I see we also have a far left. Do you too support rapists and murderers of little babies?!!!
Now they're calling us anti-Semites, because we oppose Zionists, who aren't even Semites. With this kind of logic we should be questioning whether they are even academics.
Ok, I don't understand: of course, calling for the genocide of anyone should be completely unacceptable. I don't understand... they should have asked them the same question for any of the other groups and see what they say.
@@eniselmenic5056 we're talking about them not punishing students who say these kind of things and that is not acceptable. If it's not acceptable to go towards one group, it's not acceptable towards another.
@@EG-hw8re pretty sure the process is underway. it may still be in the investigation stage but that's life. some people call it ACTION. I don;t think calling for genocide is ever ok but singing a song about river to the sea is not calling for genocide it's calling for freedom
Not at all. Though, I don't think anyone calling for genocide of any group be warranted legal impediment. Freedom of speech exists for a reason. If we take it away from people because we don't like what they say, is freedom of speech really free?
Exactly, the concern is the existing genocide, and the kids are asking for the liberation of those facing persecution and murder. It's a plea to cease the government-led genocide, irrespective of any specific religious affiliation. No call for genocide, no antisemitism. This sets the context. Very simple.
The problem is anti semitism has been redefined. Every message and communication supporting palestinians is deemed anti semitism now. The jewish people are now so hypersenitive, you are not allowed to say anything the seems like it is against israel. It isnt that anti semitism is on the rise. The definition of anti semitism has changed.
@@johnnygoodman2003You mean that Hamas definitely supports America and its allies. So supporting Israel is a mistake, right? Palestine and Hamas are two sides of a coin that cannot be separated, the same as Japan and Nagasaki during the second world war.
The problem is anti semitism has been redefined. Every message and communication supporting palestinians is deemed anti semitism now. The jewish people are now so hypersenitive, you are not allowed to say anything the seems like it is against israel. It isnt that anti semitism is on the rise. The definition of anti semitism has changed.
Yeah, I'll keep forgetting that we have freedom of speech in this country. And don't know body go against the First Amendment freedom of speech. You say it is not freedom of speech. Yes, it is because the first Amendment Protect freedom of speech freedom of speech.
If there is a god that helps us, please don't let it be allah because his quran is full of antisemitism. And, also, please don't let it be the god of the new testament, Jesus, since his book is full of antisemitism calling jews "satan's synagogue," "a brood of vipers," has the jews say "Let Jesus' blood be on us and his children," and "You are of your father the devil and your will is to do your father's desires." And come to think of it I hope it's not the Jewish god, because the jewish scriptures of full of verses condemning jews for being unfaitful and evil. I suggest maybe we leave god's out of it. Judge people by their character, not according to some god somebody made.
@@johnnygoodman2003 It is the government of Israel that allowed the attack by ignoring their intelligence and the Jewish people have a right to their anger. And, yes, wanting the Palestinians to have rights and their own state doesn't make you antisemitic. At the same time, antisemitism has grown in the US, as has anti-Palestinian, so they're both be fearful and upset. In time this will pass but HOW this will pass is up to us all. Praying for peace! ✌️
@@johnnygoodman2003FBI was saying incidents of antiSemititic threats etc. in particular have been on the rise. If you don't support Israel's right to exist, means you are fine with Israel being wiped off the map. If you are constantly attacking them for defending themselves after terrorist attacks etc..that's extreme. Half the Jews in the world live there. Many had nowhere to go after the Holocaust. They faced persecution for millennia because they were exiled from Israel which is their homeland.
I'm a Republican but wholeheartedly agree with Joe. The hypocrisy of these educators incredible. These people know better and would say so if not for the large foreign donations they must be receiving from terrorist countries.
In the 6 years between 2014 and 2020, Muslim-majority countries together donated $4.86 billion (with a B) to American universities. Over just one year, 2019, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia alone donated a total of $270 million to 144 different US universities.
That is also just as bad, but I don't see people calling for the genocide of Palestinians. But I see plenty of pro Palestine people that talk about their to the Sea song that would require ethnic cleansing
If a particular group of people are being threatened for simply existing in the world, and those in a position to stop it refuse to, then the governors of these states should consider deploying the National Guard on their campuses to protect those being oppressed.
LoL... Who the heck are you even talking about? A Palestinian boy was murdered in cold blood, three students were shot... And still stupids in the US think that calling out a foreign nation for the crimes it commit is somehow racist. How can people be this dumb?
They won't do that because the last time the American national guard was on a university campus during the Vietnam war you got the shootings at Kent state.
Who is being “threatened”? Please Cite an Actual credible occurrence please. Something that doesn’t include protestors chanting something that is interpreted as “threatening”. An actual planned threat. Just one.
Could you imagine what it's like to be a Jewish student at any of these schools and watch this hearing, and seeing the presidents of your university being complicit in antisemitism???
Do we not have freedom of speech in this country? If I can be persecuted for what I say, then it seems that freedom of speech is only free so long as my assertions do not hurt another person's feelings.
fatal mistake the West dont understand the difference between culture and values. multicultural refugees entered the West. its fruitful for every nation. The problem is with refugees from Arab countries, came different values. who are oppost Western values. Different value of human life. women's equality and racism. west will change!
To me it sounds like the college policies the MIT president cited are merely a reflection of employment law. See here what the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has to say on ‘Harassment’: "Harassment is a form of employment discrimination that violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967, (ADEA), and the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, (ADA). Harassment becomes unlawful where 1) enduring the offensive conduct becomes a condition of continued employment, or 2) the conduct is severe or pervasive enough to create a work environment that a reasonable person would consider intimidating, hostile, or abusive. Although the law doesn't prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not very serious, harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted)."
It means when speech is something done in a way where it can actually cause harm/discomfort to someone. Like for example, let’s pretend I hate a guy named Tony. If I went into the middle of an empty field and yelled “I want Tony dead,” that would be wrong, and it would be violent speech, but it wouldn’t be harmful conduct to Tony, and thus the school couldn’t expel me for harassment specifically. Even if I said that to another person without any action or intent to actually do anything to Tony, that wouldn’t be harassment. If I went up to Tony and said “I want you dead,” or convinced a bunch of people to bully him, that WOULD be harassment because I am doing something that makes another individual feel uncomfortable or unsafe. Another question is whether the action occurred in the scope of the university or not. In a lot of cases, unless a transgression is committed on campus or online with campus accounts/devices, many universities will tell you to go to law enforcement because they are less capable of dealing with off-campus offenses. The question the rep asked was intentionally misleading because even if wanting genocide is horrible and might be against DIFFERENT rules, it isn’t inherently harassment, SPECIFICALLY.
No one was asking for Jewish genocide. The pro-Palestinian students asked to get their lands back from Zionists. They asked that Israel stop killing Muslims.
Not surprising. It's Republicans doing the "grilling", so the Democrats are going to be against it. Both sides exist for the purpose of criticizing the other. Democrats will hold hearings on racism and the Republicans will say the same thing. Partisan Politics in action, that's all.
Yes, let's turn this into a society where we are all afraid to say anything but "good day". Problem with your idea is that someone else gets to determine what a threat is and that is subjective. Why the big push lately to strip our rights? If you don't like what someone says, don't listen to them. The last thing we need in this country is the word police. They have that in Britain you know and you can't even tell jokes. That's how bad it's gotten.
Its weird that they don't say what the hate speech was. Protesting ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and wanton bombing of civilians isn't antisemitism. And being anti-Israel isn't being antisemitic. So what was the hate speech?
part of the problem is that people keep saying the by singing "from the river to the sea" you are saying genocide... so "it depends on the context" of things like that
Here is the context: at the wake of a brutal attack on Jews by an organization that call for the genocide of Jews, students at elite colleges supported Hammas and calked for Palestinians to eliminate Jews between the Mediterranean and the Jordan river
And even if someone thinks that it's not a call to genocide, at the very least it is a dog whistle chanted to harass and intimidate Jewish students. So therefore it would qualify as harassment anyway.
What would happen if you stood in the quad at Harvard with a sign that said “trans women are not women.” Yeah, betting there would be zero tolerance in that case…
Joe, they said that calling for the extermination of Jews would not necessarily qualify as bullying or harassment. They didn't say it was acceptable, Stefanik would only allow a yes or no response.
They didn't answer yes or no so that's an irrelevant point. And they basically said it's acceptable. Because otherwise they would've said something like: "well it doesn't fall under our bullying guidelines but it does fall under our xyz guidelines and is therfore not allowed"
Stefanik didn't want to hear an explanation, she decided already that some speech was definitely a crime and wanted them to agree with her so she could blame them for something someone said rather than what they've done..
If you're going to be dishonest, at least be intellectually dishonest. If there aren't rules against something then by definition it is "acceptable". The relevant definition of "acceptable" is "able to be tolerated or allowed", so if these schools allow calls for genocide that means calls for genocide are acceptable.
Exactly! The nuance in your comment is important, and flew over the heads of almost everyone in the comments here. They answered the exact question they were asked, sticking to the wording of their universities' policies. What else can they do? They are representing universities, not grandstanding politicians who can move the goalposts and change wording around to sound better to their audience.
I suppose that in order to violate the code of conduct at Howard, as far as the Jews are concerned of course, my grandmother has to return to Bergen-Belsen, and then the call for her extermination will actually be seen.
People that won’t answer easy questions don’t get to ask easy questions. Of course talking about the genocide of Jews is wrong. The genocide of any, of any race is wrong. They should have answered yes. However, Stefanik doesn’t get to avoid easy questions like “Is Trump as liar” which requires only one answer yes, and then grandstand on an issue like this. She is from the party of “There were fine people on both sides” when those fine people were chanting “Jews will not replace us”. That is antisemitism exhibit A. Where’s the performative outrage at that??
Stefanik also promoted the great replacement theory. She is cynically using antisemitism. That said the 3 presidents are either complete idiots or also cynically beholden to other interests
"However, Stefanik doesn’t get to avoid easy questions like “Is Trump as liar” which requires only one answer yes, and then grandstand on an issue like this." Wut? This committee is focused on the issue of antisemitism on college campuses. Why are you bringing up Trump, stupid.
If I remain silent, it doesn't mean anything nefarious. It just means I'm minding my own business and not being a "world Karen". The US should do more of that and let others take care of their own business. We have plenty of problems ( like these ladies ) here at home to deal with.
@@GeraldineWarren-vi8fw A village is great! Why don't we fill that village with sane people though and not with folks bent on destruction. Our education system is falling so far behind the rest of the world it is ridiculous and it falls right on the shoulders of folks like this. They have stopped educating and now all they want to do is advocate. Diversity and inclusion are the main topics in any discussion now and that goes all the way to the grade school level. Educators are not supposed to be fighting "injustice", they are supposed to be teaching the 3 R's as it were, but they have gotten off the path and our children are suffering for it.
You are correct. In the 6 years between 2014 and 2020, Muslim-majority countries together donated $4.86 billion (with a B) to American universities. Over just one year, 2019, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia alone donated a total of $270 million to 144 different US universities.
"Even though that proof exists in his “own consciousness”, memory is extremely unreliable due to the Party’s grip on reality and history. The Party’s power over history and truth creates a disorientated and undependable memory. This distrust of one’s own recollections allows the Party ultimate control over the history of their society." -Nineteen Eighty-Four... Internet, the genie that they are DESPERATELY trying to wrangle/wrestle back INTO THE BOTTLE
What you’re saying is similar to Biden’s recollection of his past history and actions. Imaginary rhetoric to bolster his own history as a means to support a momentary narrative. Got it !
The issue here is these Presidents knew Stefanik was referring to the phrase “from the river to sea Palestine will be free”. They should have said explicitly calling for the genocide of the Jews violates their code of conduct and then used the context argument to debate her on the phrase…..
@@tl-ih8uk Intifada means “to shake off”. It also describes a resistance that occurred twice in the Palestinian Territories. Again just because you associate an Arabic term with something doesn’t mean it’s a threat against another student. What next we can’t say “revolution” because some are violent? Meanwhile while congress is focusing on this Israel is killing thousands of women and children as we speak. Classic misdirection…
@@Independent-Thought since the term Intifada was used as the name of a violent uprising, then yes, it is a call for a violent uprising. I don't care what language it is, it terrorized every Israeli for years and put peace in that region further and further. Thankfully America is backing Israel in their defeat against a terrorist state. Tell Hamas to surrender and no women and children would get hurt. All those deaths are on Hamas hands.
I'm seeing "I finally agree with you" a lot in the comments. What, the racism and anti-LGBTQ rhetoric we've been battling the last eight years were too PARTISAN for you?
An eye for an eye leaves us all blind, we need peace, love, and forgiveness. Blessings to all who struggle, may we all give up our hate and see each other as one consciousness struggling to know and love itself. Everyone, please be nice.
understanding an eye for an eye the way you do is a perversion of what it really means it means monetary compensation for damages...not literally putting out someone's eye
There is no peace and love in Islam. It is written in their texts. It has been practiced for 1400 years. Convert and live under sharia law, become second class citizens and pay tax while living under sharia law, or die. Those are your options.
Be nice to whom? To these university presidents, who make millions of dollars pandering to foreign countries like China and Qatar, and who make statements like these?
For allowing students to protest for peace and against genocide? It’s amazing how MSM fed you such a steady stream of pro israel propaganda that you do not realise israel is the occupier. Israel is also the one committing genocide.
🦆The Ministry of Peace oversees war The Ministry of Love carries out the torture of political prisoners and serve as the police of Oceania The Ministry of Truth is in charge of changing the content in history books and in the news to agree with the Party’s beliefs
Is it ok to call for the genocide of Black people or LGBTQ people on campuses? If it is not then it is not ok to call for the Genocide of Jews on campus. This is not something hard to understand. Calling for genocide of any group of people can incite violence. Preventing the incitement of violence is not censorship.
"One thing: I want my Republican colleagues to give me one thing-one-that I can go campaign on and say we did. One! Explain to me one material, meaningful, significant thing the Republican majority has done." - Chip Roy House floor 11/15/23
Everyone knows, except you, that Roy was being hyperbolic. He wasn't being literal. You think his hyperbolic rhetoric is reality. We are laughing at you for posting it
Republicans have helped Americans live better lives. What have democrats done? Bless look at california. Homelessness expanded. Great job democrats. We get less but pay more. Great job democrats! That donkey you have as your mascot really makes sense now
These colleges should simply make a “SAFE ZONE “, like they make for other groups of students that feel threatened. An area where only Jewish people, and no other people are allowed to enter . Not to do so would be more proof of discrimination against Jewish students. But of course, these antisemite colleges wouldn’t enforce any violations into the “SAFE ZONE”.
Yep. Lefty here. I actually laughed at conservatives who told me that blm leaders were antisemitic and I called them racists. I laughed at conservatives who said that our liberal universities were indoctrinating students to hate Jews. I was wrong. I wish more people had the ability to say those words. I. Was. Wrong.
Unbelievable and unacceptable…….. conduct includes speech, it’s an action! Content of speech is dependent of whether it’s harassment and calling for a genocide of a race of people is inciting racial violence, division, discrimination etc.
I really, really dislike Stefanik. But, this is a pretty disturbing hearing. Calling for genocide… we can’t be doing that. America is better than that. At least, I thought we were 😢
@@Mrs.Deanna_Ember The majority of Palestinians support Hamas. “By 70 percent to 28 percent, Palestinians oppose a two-state solution - "the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel." An even larger number - 76 percent to 21 percent - oppose a "one state solution ...in which the two sides enjoy equal rights." Given a choice among three options for "ending the occupation and building an independent state," 21 percent prefer "negotiations," 22 percent "peaceful popular resistance" and 52 percent select "armed conflict."🤷♂️
The J’s have one of the strongest lobbying groups in USA politics. Our politicians know who fund their campaigns and line their pockets, so the average outsider doesn’t stand a chance against big money.
I mean... I can't get behind people who want to protect Jewish people in Israel but not Americans in America who also assert that they put "America first." Like, cool story bro... Incite more violence here and pretend that you care about violence elsewhere.
These are presidents simply repeating the policies of their universities - they did not make the policies themselves, and they are not in a position to change policies on the spot to sound better for a grandstanding politician. University presidents are not politicians - they can't change wording around on the spot.
Unfortunately, we have freedom of speech in this country. If said speech incites violence, then it should lead to expulsion. I do wonder why the Presidents used the verbiage they did...
These universities are private property with codes of conduct in place. The issue isn’t about what is or isn’t legal to say in the US - it’s about the blatant double standard of these institutions enforcing THEIR OWN RULES selectively.
What Stefanik is referring to as “calling for the genocide of Jews” on college campuses in her questioning is, SPECIFICALLY, the “from the river to the sea” slogan. Of course, this coverage neglects to mention the specifics. Whether or not that slogan, in 2023, is meant as an actual call to genocide or is meant as criticism of an a-part-heid state is totally debatable.
When you have called Trump's statement to march peacefully to the Capitol an incitement to insurrection, then you have no case to make about others defining the “from the river to the sea” slogan as they see fit.
Now you see and witnessing what black folks been saying for years. The money is the corporate. Donations is the influence not merit. One group influence in these institutions and government is a violation of the constitution which never benefited me anyway
OH and by the way nobody is calling for the genocide of Jews. They are calling for a dismantling of the current state of Israel as it exists now since it is a state similar to that of the Jim Crow south before civil rights. It is apartheid in action and a brutal occupation which limits basic freedoms. Israel will need to be one state for all it's people. Palestinians will play a major role in this non-Jewish Superiority state. The river to the sea will be equal for all....similar to the US... from the Atlantic to the Pacific ;)
@@TaytesHugeCaulk I think we are now seeing why so many young people are foregoing a college education. I think we see why many companies are thinking twice about requiring a college education as a qualification for employment.
@@t.r.campbell6585 The real answer is because college has become too expensive to attend. Young people are thinking twice before committing to such a crippling investment when the investment is not guaranteed dividends. Nevertheless, I think I want my doctor to have a college degree and not a certificate from a 6 month course.
@@GentlemanJack705. I was on an island and received excellent, world-class treatment from a foreign doctor, who said he was in school for eight months. I received excellent treatment for a severe Mam-O-War burn.
@@GentlemanJack705 I'm with you. I think campbell there is making quite a leap. There might be a small handful of candidates who might forgo a college because of something like this but mostly its other reasons.
It was a loaded question. Stefanik conflated the term Intafada with genocide. They are not one in the same. Stefanik was grandstanding and she never condemened Trumps association with antisemite Kanye West.
1. Their definition of "Antisemitism" is basically being upset that students dont want to see a genocide carried out in Gaza, and pointing out thats what Israel is doing is antisemitic now. 2. Why are University Presidents responsible for what university students do or say, these are grown adults
That's not the anti-Semitic part. The anti-Semitic part is the assaults and threats thrown at Jewish students on campus. You really need to inform yourself on what's going on.
The majority of Palestinians support Hamas. “By 70 percent to 28 percent, Palestinians oppose a two-state solution - "the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel." An even larger number - 76 percent to 21 percent - oppose a "one state solution ...in which the two sides enjoy equal rights." Given a choice among three options for "ending the occupation and building an independent state," 21 percent prefer "negotiations," 22 percent "peaceful popular resistance" and 52 percent select "armed conflict."🤷♂️
@@BlueTeamRedTeamso Israel being about the size of Massachusetts has the ability to be wiped out by Gaza approximately the size of Washington DC? Make it make sense fam 🤦🏾♂️
