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HOUSE OF THE DRAGON SEASON 2 EPISODE 8 Rhaena Nettles and Sheepstealer | BOOK SPOILERS 

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HOUSE OF THE DRAGON Season 2 Episode 8 came out on Sunday and I wanted to talk about it the elephant in the room Nettles! and the short episode season! This video will contain book spoilers! It looks like in Episode 8 of Season 2 Rhaena chased down Sheepstealer and is about to claim him. The potential of this leaked out more than a year ago and lost of people wrote it off but now it seems true Nettles was cut, or atleast her story was given to multiple characters, Rhaena and Alys Rivers. But How does this change things? Is this good? is this bad? or do we need to wait and see. What do you think?
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Комментарии : 579   
@mschell8022
@mschell8022 Месяц назад
Why cant we just say the writers are turning this show into shit? Why do we *have to* force ourselves to stop being critical, just shut up enjoy scraps, and be thankful for crumbs? Why do we *have to* force ourselves to be content and positive with entertainment that obviously sucks?
@1992zorro
@1992zorro Месяц назад
True. The reason is simple, these content creators don't want to shit on their income stream. If they say the series is shit what are they gonna do content on ?
@kespos2100
@kespos2100 Месяц назад
This channel will get me thru the Long Night before the next season! 😢😂
@justinperrone3885
@justinperrone3885 Месяц назад
For real lol
@nicki7919
@nicki7919 Месяц назад
The night gone be long and full of terrors frfr
@pastapalads5598
@pastapalads5598 Месяц назад
At least we'll get Dunk and Egg at some point in between ☹Hopefully it's good
@kespos2100
@kespos2100 Месяц назад
@@pastapalads5598 looks good so far!
@user_miike
@user_miike Месяц назад
you must not remember the 2 year break she took after s1
@beezyqueen
@beezyqueen Месяц назад
the finale DEFINITELY felt like episode 8 😪 hbo robbed us
@beezyqueen
@beezyqueen Месяц назад
8 of 10, that is
@LotsofLisa
@LotsofLisa Месяц назад
HBO always robs us with the best shows.
@mi-moon_
@mi-moon_ Месяц назад
The writers wrote 10 episodes and HBO asked them to shorten it to 8. It's obvious now ... how could they tease it all season and not end with her claiming it ? I can't believe they would do that on purpose, they're not stupid
@RiSK907
@RiSK907 Месяц назад
It was so bad. I'm so disappointed. It felt like aside from episode 4, SO little happened. And to take Nettles out of the show when she was such a good character... they could have added Nettles ENTIRE STORY instead of 4 episodes of Daemond having DREAMS OVER AND OVER 😠 Ugh I'm so disappointed because I loved season 1 so much. I feel like the reason it wasn't anywhere near as good as season 1 was because HBO is forcing them to drag it out for more seasons to make more money. (Just my opinion).
@Starlyna823
@Starlyna823 Месяц назад
@@RiSK907liked then unliked because I disagree with your final point. HBO are not forcing more episodes on us to make more money, they’re compressing episodes into smaller chunks to SAVE MONEY, thereby denying us the full story. This was a whiplash episode like the finale of GoT sadly.
@opalrhue9032
@opalrhue9032 Месяц назад
Your reviews have been incredible and I especially appreciate how you dont trash the show even when it would be easy to bc everyone is doing it. Your reviews are thoughtful and insightful and I always learn something and genuinely feel better after watching and listening. ✨ Thank you for your reviews this season and for adding positivity to the fandom!💞✨
@KristenNicoleYT
@KristenNicoleYT Месяц назад
My current headcanon is that Rhaena adopts a new identity as Nettles because that would explain why Daemon and Nettles had that sort of father and daughter relationship. I know that messes up the Nettles being a child of the forest theory but that’s how I’m making this change work for me
@mermaidreviews4693
@mermaidreviews4693 Месяц назад
Same it sounds like something Damond would do finally bond with his daughter because she has a dragon and abandon the kids for her own selfish reasons
@Rickolee
@Rickolee Месяц назад
Same
@LarthV
@LarthV Месяц назад
I actually never found that theory that "child of the forest" theory very convincing to begin with. I mean, she is not exactly described as 4ft tall and spotted...
@Latenivenatrix_Mcmasterae
@Latenivenatrix_Mcmasterae Месяц назад
I'd genuinely cry from disappointment, it'd undermine the symbolism of Nettles
@HK-gm8pe
@HK-gm8pe Месяц назад
I am soooo happy that we dont have nettles, teenager who steals your husband...uhh I hate women like this also Daemon was almoist 50 while Nettles only 18
@gleann_cuilinn
@gleann_cuilinn Месяц назад
i would have been totally okay with nettles being cut if they had done something interesting with rhaena. there really is so much potential to explore there. but instead they gave us the same black council scene five times. it felt at times like the episode writers were trying to do their own thing instead of working together.
@GiveonKing
@GiveonKing Месяц назад
All rhaena did was scowl, run for 5 seconds at a time and stay in camera enclosed spaces
@Angieth24
@Angieth24 Месяц назад
Very disjointed writing.
@SouthernPioneer1965
@SouthernPioneer1965 Месяц назад
Well maybe they are building up to that, like Grey Area said , we should hold judgment till all is said and done . We don’t know what the future holds . As
@lonewolfmoves8667
@lonewolfmoves8667 Месяц назад
Maybe the writers strike had something to do with it. Who knows
@piadox
@piadox Месяц назад
You're right. Some of the episodes had the characters doing the same things in multiple ways. It's like they had the writers work independently and not telling a cohesive story. Rhaenyra was constantly flip flopping between war is inevitable and actually maybe it's not for 8 episodes. That's really my main issue with the season. I could have learned to live with the changes if the rest was good
@HouseOfTheHybrid
@HouseOfTheHybrid Месяц назад
12:30 I can see why you would think that. But the Rhaenyra that we have gotten in every episode thus far would NEVER call for Rhaena's head for this. Rhaena would have to literally cause her sons death or directly betray the blacks as a whole for it to get to that stage. And even then Rhaenyra would arrest her first. Keep in mind that this is her daughter by marriage for years now. If Rhaenyra didn't kill Alicent who DIRECTLY betrayed her. Aint no way she is killing Rhaena or wants to, for chasing/ claiming a wild dragon. In fact, what tf would Rhaena do to stop the kids being captured if she was there anyway? She would get taken too. Nah at worst this leads to an argument between the two and the trust being broken. The season was good though. Still a classic so at least an 8/10. People are just blowing things out of proportion. They told us already the biggest battle was pushed back and we'd get only 8 episodes. Yet crazy fans are pissed that thats what happened. They told us! Lol.
@aprilrayne
@aprilrayne Месяц назад
The Rhaenyra they have given us this far is amazingly better than what the book gave us, but with her future actions and inactions - she will need to do something out of pocket for us to dislike her, her demise is not supposed to be that sad per say, it will for me because I’m a Daemyra fan but the issue is, she needs to look totally unhinged, crazy and off the rails psycho for us to cope with what eventually happens to her, and setting up her youngest kids to be taken hostage due to Rhaena’s ego will begrudge her. Soon Rhaenyra will see and feel so much mistrust in everyone. She will lose trust in her, she will lose trust in her dragon riders, she has already shown her lack of trust with Jace going on dragon back (and this will prove to be a worthy worry), quite literally she is a victim of her own mistrust since the day she lost her mother, her baby brother, and since daemon abandoned her twice now, she almost thought her father lied to her too when she thought Alicent was being truthful about her fathers last words… When your whole world crumbles and you fail to trust people you tend to get paranoid and in her paranoia, I can even see her questioning daemon once again, even with his own daughter. That makes a better story than him doing something completely believable which would be to run off with another young girl regardless of reason, but I think in the end, our saddest moments are to come, when we see that Daemon never steered away from her, he questioned it once, at HH when she was so full of inaction - but he sees that this is just a cog on the wheel. I truly believe show canon Daemon loved Rhaenyra and will always - because she’s family and his brothers daughter… But when she starts questioning his relationship with his own daughter by Laena. We will probably want her to stop being ruler.
@samer.4660
@samer.4660 Месяц назад
​@@aprilraynewhat you mean when you said she's will questioning him with his relationship with his own daughter
@psychedelicyeti6053
@psychedelicyeti6053 Месяц назад
Rhaena has thought that claiming a dragon would make her useful to her family. Maybe her punishment would be to exile her?
@HouseOfTheHybrid
@HouseOfTheHybrid Месяц назад
@@aprilrayne I understand what you're saying. But as I said, its going to take a whole lot more than Rhaena chasing (and claiming) a wild dragon and not getting captured herself, for Rhaenyra to go "bring me her head!" I don't see it at all. But I think we can all agree that book Rhaenyra is different from show Rhaenyra. I'm not sure if it is just the biased reporting from those that documented the dance. But what I gathered when I read that section is that neither Rhaenyra nor Aegon were fit to rule. They were both cruel and one was selfish while the other was arrogant. I think that was the idea. But here in the show they haven't truly made any of them hate worthy. Aegon, apart from the cheating on his wife aspect, is largely just a funny guy trying to do what he thinks he should as a king. And Rhaenyra has been trying to avoid conflict at every turn. Neither of the two seem like genuinely bad people like Joffrey or Cersei. I like what the show did. But by making neither one a villain, they are either going to get boxed in a corner when we get near the end of the show or they are going to have to do a complete 180 on them early next season. I just hope we don't get another mad queen Daenerys abrupt arc for Rhaenyra out of thin air.
@AETTEW
@AETTEW Месяц назад
Exactly what I was thinking and totally agree with you!! No way Rhaenyra would demand Rhaena's head for claiming a dragon (that would help take King's Landing - if HBO doesn't change sheep stealer's story line...)
@AntoineVello
@AntoineVello Месяц назад
Call it cope, call me in denial, etc. I am hoping that we see Nettles next season saying, "Excuse me, that's my dragon,"
@samf.s.7731
@samf.s.7731 Месяц назад
I'm on that hopium too.
@RahshiThompson
@RahshiThompson Месяц назад
Get over it, she’s not gonna be on the show
@AntoineVello
@AntoineVello Месяц назад
@@RahshiThompson Don't you have anything better to do?
@jeel7515
@jeel7515 Месяц назад
​@@samf.s.7731me too
@IstariAzul777
@IstariAzul777 Месяц назад
I’d honestly like to see sheepstealer just eat rhaena
@LaffingTreeLady
@LaffingTreeLady Месяц назад
I don’t hate it.. But more than anything from fire and blood I wanted to see Sara Snow and Nettles… what they are doing is being done well but mannnn!! My lore heart is being played with so hard!! Your input is always insightful, thanks for doing what you do boo!!
@LaffingTreeLady
@LaffingTreeLady Месяц назад
Gives a little merit to my Lady Arryn/Rhaena theory tho 👀 😂❤
@psychedelicyeti6053
@psychedelicyeti6053 Месяц назад
​@@LaffingTreeLadywhat's your theory?
@LaffingTreeLady
@LaffingTreeLady Месяц назад
@@psychedelicyeti6053 the lady of the vale is said to be interested in the company of women
@JuicebyJay
@JuicebyJay Месяц назад
I feel like...we are doing gymnastics trying to make these showrunner's versions to match the books. Personally.
@ThePlaybackRoom
@ThePlaybackRoom Месяц назад
C’mon girl, they showed us a preview in the trailer of Aemond burning down Sharp Point only to show us the exact same thing in the actual episode.
@GrayArea
@GrayArea Месяц назад
On the aftershow I said this about Tessarion. The reveal should not have been done in the trailer
@ThePlaybackRoom
@ThePlaybackRoom Месяц назад
@@GrayAreaYes!! It just felt like the “beat never dropped” they could have swapped ep 7 and 8
@Lindsaymtg
@Lindsaymtg Месяц назад
This ^^^^. I thought the same exact thing. Why show the only scene in the trailer?
@saberserpent1134
@saberserpent1134 Месяц назад
​@@GrayAreaRIGHT?? Tessarion fans got ripped off, hard.
@MourningCoffeeMusic
@MourningCoffeeMusic Месяц назад
I’m with George on this one.
@DirWanjez
@DirWanjez Месяц назад
There's no way rhaenyra will want to kill rhaena
@grandpoohbah1037
@grandpoohbah1037 Месяц назад
I think when one or both of the princes, their dragons and eggs are kidnapped, Rheanyra ( " a son for a son") will go to question the Lady of The Veil in person. The Lady has already shown that she does NOT like Rheana, at all. She will tell Rheanyra that Rheana abandoned them and the valuable cargo to go chase a WILD dragon that probably killed her. That's why everything happened and the guards were killed. It was all Rheana's fault. This will probably happen during the Dragon Seeds betrayal and cause Rheanyra to mistrust everyone. Damon will just pour gasoline on that fire defending Rheana when she shows up ALIVE, instead of siding with his Queen in her time of need. Believable to me.
@aileenpi73
@aileenpi73 Месяц назад
I think Rhaenyra will be furious with Rhaena for leaving the kids.
@nid47
@nid47 Месяц назад
Rhaena kind of forgot about her responsibility to keep her brothers safe to go have a wacky adventure with the vale dragon who shouldn't even be there. " You won’t find dragons hunting the riverlands or the Reach or the Vale, or roaming the northlands or the mountains of Dorne. Fantasy needs to be grounded. It is not simply a license to do anything you like. Smaug and Toothless may both be dragons, but they should never be confused. Ignore canon, and the world you’ve created comes apart like tissue paper." - George R.R. Martin
@samanthaa.6055
@samanthaa.6055 Месяц назад
Rhaenyra won't call for Rhaena's head but she will likely have to answer for abandoning her brothers. Show Rhaena and book Rhaena are VERY different people- and I like it! Baela will be named heir instead, and I predict that Rhaena will disappear to Essos like Nettles
@Sid1621
@Sid1621 Месяц назад
I love your passion for the books and how you “emote/share” (not sure how else to say it 🤪. I haven’t read the books and don’t want spoilers, but for your posts are the best. I can’t stop with it! Live your patience with it all too!
@avery4713
@avery4713 Месяц назад
i knew when they wouldnt even show daerons face they wouldnt show characters as cool as nettles... she intimidates them so they merge her with another character 😭
@cheryloshea8992
@cheryloshea8992 Месяц назад
I think they're cutting Nettles and I hate it. I love Rhaena and love the idea of her claiming a dragon sooner but in the books her egg finally hatching is such an epic turn around for her character. Especially if they use her drive in the show to claim a dragon and failing, it makes it that much sweeter when her egg finally hatches. Plus her being one of last dragon riders before Daenerys is everything. They showed some background to Ulf and Hugh and nothing of Nettles so its defintly doesnt look to be going that way. Seriously though, what are the going to do if Rhaena has sheepstealer, he is one of the surviving dragons of the dance? How is Aegon supposed to be king again with no dragon for the greens but Rhaena still has sheepstealer? Even when Rhaenerya dies you just think Rhaena isn't going to defend her remaining family if she has a dragon large enough to do so? It messes the story up.
@Peecamarke
@Peecamarke Месяц назад
Yo yur video cuts in the beginning had me cracking up 😂
@saberserpent1134
@saberserpent1134 Месяц назад
We saw as much of Tessarion as we did in the trailer. Not even mad. Deeply disappointed. Ryan and Sara need to get their sh*t together, or bring back Sapochinik. Sara Hess shouldn't be allowed within ten feet of a writing tool. Her episodes are consistently the worst episodes.
@MotherOf-Ferrets
@MotherOf-Ferrets Месяц назад
I liked Season 2 as well, and for a while I've thought the character of Nettles was going to be combined with Rhaena. I guess at least we seem to be getting a combo character, like a Jeyne/Sansa, which I much prefer over Nettles being the next Lady Stoneheart and just nonexistent in the world. The show is not the books, it never will be, but I respect and appreciate it for what it is. I agree with you 100% on all this. Keep serving up the juice, it's been great seeing all these videos!!! The Discord Sweet Summer Family and especially the Book Club appreciate all you do here!!! ❤
@the_blue_clerk
@the_blue_clerk Месяц назад
It’s clear how they’d use Daemon’s strained relationship with his daughter for the Nettles storyline and making amends (and, honestly, I’m here for that). But, love how you wove in even more details with Alys and Rhaenyra’s roles. I’m still optimistic that the show runners will pull this off 🤞🏽😬 As long as Rhaena bucks up a little because I can’t take no more whining.
@Themitten
@Themitten Месяц назад
Yesss I agree they split nettles between the two. IMO they sold each character short in doing so.
@SmallTownResident
@SmallTownResident Месяц назад
Sheepstealer was around 90 years old around this time and spent his entire life free and ate as much as food as he wanted. Shouldn't he be as big as Vermithor if not Silvering at least?
@Glad2BGolden
@Glad2BGolden Месяц назад
Yes he should be HUGE!!! But they don’t want this particular dragon to outshine any other is what I’m thinking.
@rashonanderson9012
@rashonanderson9012 Месяц назад
This season needed two more episodes.
@paulstrife
@paulstrife Месяц назад
It pisses me off that they tease us with the Green Men the way they did and proceed to cut Nettles. WTF? This is worse than cutting Victarion.
@stephaneeism
@stephaneeism Месяц назад
The Nettles plotline requires Daemon to cheat on Rhaenyra, which would conflict with the new plotline where D. sees the future and accepts R. as the true queen. Here we have a new opportunity for a redemption arc. Also the antlered green man hints at the heavy presence of magic, and you are completely correct that the whole story has to come around to prophecy and magic to pay off the prologue of GOT. But l think the execution of the Strongs is enough reason for Alys to weep. Keep up the good work, Gray, keep the juice flowing.
@hannahgrayy1051
@hannahgrayy1051 Месяц назад
justice for NETTLES!!!!!
@waltonsmith7210
@waltonsmith7210 Месяц назад
I just cant understand why the writers wouldnt jump at rhe chance to inckude cool characters like Nettles or Black Aly Blackwood. Its ready-made cinematic gold. its so hard for me to understand.
@GrayArea
@GrayArea Месяц назад
It’s hard for me to understand as well, especially when we already saw the dynamic of the effects of not having a dragon in a dragon family likeee With Aemond
@realstateguzmandr248
@realstateguzmandr248 Месяц назад
Your video about nettles was so exciting that I share your feelings I was dying to see her on the show,
@Fitz2364
@Fitz2364 Месяц назад
I’m praying Nettles will step in and claim Sheep stealer.🙏🏿
@akireodd
@akireodd Месяц назад
Here me out... Dragons are not nomads and Sheepsteeler being in the Vale makes no sense but doesn't Nettles frequent the Vale? What if Nettles is alrwady there fetching it another sheep to eat? Come on guys. Don't give up hope!!
@annied166
@annied166 Месяц назад
What if Nettles was Rhaeyna all along? Daemon doted on her “like his daughter”. What if Rhaeyna had a reason for hiding her identity?
@lucaschapel7197
@lucaschapel7197 Месяц назад
I can't wait for Nettles, Morning, and Aegon the younger to escape on Stormcloud. I sure hope Rhaena Targaryen doesn't come along an ruin absolutely everything that I'm hyper-invested in......
@JT_Soul
@JT_Soul Месяц назад
I think cutting Nettles and giving her role to Rhaena is a big mistake. For me, there are two things that make Nettles especially interesting in the book. First, the ambiguity of her relationship with Daemon. We know exactly what Daemon's relationship with Rhaena is, so we lose that. Second, the fact that she is able to train a dragon without having the blood of old Valyria has forced us to rethink a lot of assumptions about what makes a dragon-rider and all of the many "genetics of dragon-riding" theories that have popped up in the fandom over the years. Rhaena does have the blood of old Valyria, so we completely lose that angle. In other words, show Rhaena may end up doing some of the things that book Nettles does, but she will have lost almost all of the meta-significance that surrounds Nettles. Instead of a mysterious and iconoclastic character who has a much-debated relationship with Daemon and forces us to re-think everything we thought we knew about dragon-riding, we now have Daemon's daughter who is just another Valyrian dragon-rider. And I say this as someone who likes book and show Rhaena and thinks Phoebe Campbell has done a good job with the role... it's just that Rhaena =/= Nettles. Oh well. Other than this, I thought it was a great season and really enjoyed about 80% of what the show did.
@jeel7515
@jeel7515 Месяц назад
Couldn't agree more.
@anastasiabetts
@anastasiabetts Месяц назад
I mean, there are theories that Nettles is Daemon’s daughter. Maybe the conflict with Rhaenyra comes from her being angry and feeling betrayed that Rhaena just left her two boys to go chase a dragon? It would make sense for a mother to be really mad about that.
@drewchase6577
@drewchase6577 Месяц назад
Interview with the vampire is the best thing on TV
@Yeahsosoandyeahyeah
@Yeahsosoandyeahyeah Месяц назад
George could have said that, but Drogon used to fly of everywhere all the time or am I missing something? Also would be so funny if they're trolling us and Nettles is allready there. I mean we never saw Rheana claim him directly the ending was open.
@Latenivenatrix_Mcmasterae
@Latenivenatrix_Mcmasterae Месяц назад
We all have to remember now that the reason Season 2 was cut short was due to the Battle of the Gullet being too expensive so it was pushed to season 3 so I forgive them on that front, what I don't forgive is them replacing our girl Nettles due to her symbolism
@LaffingTreeLady
@LaffingTreeLady Месяц назад
I think when we get Aemond in Harrenhall we’re going to see how the parallels people think they see between him and Daemon will not be paralleling 😂
@samer.4660
@samer.4660 Месяц назад
I don't think they will make him mean and a cold like Daemon
@LaffingTreeLady
@LaffingTreeLady Месяц назад
@@samer.4660 Daemon was DISGUSTED when he realized he was eating for breakfast the portal from wince he came. He had breakthrough after breakthrough and you will NOT see the same awakening in Aemond, I promise.
@TheDeathlyPrince
@TheDeathlyPrince Месяц назад
Nettles character lost a lot of her importance when they purposefuly made House Velaryon black. Her appearance being so different from every other dragonrider was what made us question if being of the blood of Old Valyria was even a requirement. Now with much more diversity to the "Valyrian Look" her storyline is hollow.
@maligoddess2879
@maligoddess2879 Месяц назад
Da@@ facts never thought of it like that
@brittanyrae5771
@brittanyrae5771 Месяц назад
It’s still crap - if the point is diversity, you don’t cut the only black character from the book. You can include them and add others, but it’s crap to push them out while you add others.
@psychedelicyeti6053
@psychedelicyeti6053 Месяц назад
I read elsewhere that race in Westoros is not how we see it, but to them, it would be Valerian vs non-valerian. They still showed this, especially with Jace. Nettles would still bring that into question if she is not a descendant from any of the Valerian families.
@crystalsthefutureempress
@crystalsthefutureempress Месяц назад
​@@brittanyrae5771 Exactly.
@rrsiiipineal
@rrsiiipineal Месяц назад
Gee don't you sound racist...🥴🥴
@taytayqueen7024
@taytayqueen7024 Месяц назад
Hoping they continue to piss off fans and keep being slow in s3 because I’m not ready to let Jace go 😢
@jenniferhart3941
@jenniferhart3941 Месяц назад
I appreciate them honoring the complexity and not rushing it!
@grandpoohbah1037
@grandpoohbah1037 Месяц назад
Gray Area's explanations for book lore vs live adaptation is splendiferous for followers like me! I will probably never read the books because so many RU-vidrs post every aspect of the book lore, and I can just pull up what I'm curious about. I know so many love the books, and I'm NOT knocking down the books or the dedicated fans.
@attackonhumby
@attackonhumby Месяц назад
7:15 i think they are making changes and talking about pov interpretations of history so we can accept the idea of the GoT ending being different in the books with some similarities. just a theory from a “non-book reader” but show enjoyer :)
@mkedee824
@mkedee824 Месяц назад
Thank you! You are a gem sister 🥰😘
@pookie32
@pookie32 Месяц назад
@Gray Area I totally agree with the Nettles thing, love the teacher student idea. I was sooo hoping Nettles would be included and instead of an affair they were really just helping & learning from each other or I would have even loved it if she was really his daughter and a wood witch or a green seeer & Mysaria just got it wrong so she tells Rhaenyra they sleeping together. She could have even been kind of jealous since Nettles really changes Damon in no way she ever could so she tells Rhaenyra they having an affair cuz she just can't understand their connection.
@Vimge4
@Vimge4 Месяц назад
I find GRRM venting on his "not a blog" very funny... you know what would help to prevent "disregarding of cannon" and make us all very happy George? The publishing of the "Winds of Winter" and "A dream of Spring" and finally having a complete story.
@jsan3743
@jsan3743 Месяц назад
You are literally brilliant Grey! ❤
@burntorangehorn
@burntorangehorn Месяц назад
15:14 Even predators that typically stay close to home start wandering outside their turf when food becomes harder to find, which is probably the case at a time of war. That's the flaw in GRRM's critique.
@paganlark7037
@paganlark7037 Месяц назад
So when winds of winter comes out and Dany is written as a hero and doesn't randomly go insane and kill everyone, will that be cannon for this show?
@GrayArea
@GrayArea Месяц назад
No, I don’t think so. They are keeping their canon inline with GOT. Per GRRM in an interview.
@dereckwallace1428
@dereckwallace1428 Месяц назад
Watching your posts is what got me hyped about Nettles
@SaltyNico920
@SaltyNico920 Месяц назад
I love your videos Gray! I’ll be here through this long night! I’m so glad you touched on this, I was really hoping someone would talk about why Alys was crying. I intially thought maybe it was because she knows what’s coming for them all. But it also made me think of when the Three Eyed Raven knew he was about to die and Bran takes his place. I think with these character changes to Rhaena and that Alys absorbing some of Nettles story makes a lot of sense. Very nice job Gray!
@nodatastored684
@nodatastored684 Месяц назад
Wait, If Syrax dies, why didn't Rhaenyra go to mount Silverwing? I think we will meet another Alys Rivers who is much older
@Lindsaymtg
@Lindsaymtg Месяц назад
Thank you!!! Loved this one.
@lunacascade1125
@lunacascade1125 Месяц назад
Makes sense but it's still a disappointment. I see your reasoning. I hope the showrunners can tie up all the loose ends with the Rhaena/Nettles storyline to make it believable. Gray you are awesome!!
@GrayArea
@GrayArea Месяц назад
I hope they do something great!
@sillygirlkc
@sillygirlkc Месяц назад
Here for that end of season JUICE!
@adenalss5503
@adenalss5503 Месяц назад
OK OK, SO IVE HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT ALL THESE CHARACTERS BEFORE HOTD CAME OUT. WITH THAT BEING SAID I WANTED TO SEE NEDDLES AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WANT THE FIGHTING TO BEGIN BUT ITS ABOUT THE JOURNEY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE CHARACTERS AND TO LET IT UNFOLD. WITH THAT BEING SAID I REALLY......... THINK THEY SHOULD BE GIVING IS 10 EPISODES A SEASON. SIDE BAR.... I KNOW HOW IT ALL ENDS AND IM SAD ABOUT IT BUT IM A DIE HARD FAN AND WILL STAY TUNED FOR THE SHANANAGINS!!!!!!!
@emilieg4336
@emilieg4336 Месяц назад
I really think you've cracked it! Now that Nettles is officially written out, if this isn't the route they take I'll be disappointed tbh.
@youenjoymystash2702
@youenjoymystash2702 Месяц назад
Sheepstealer did look pretty pissed when Rhaena rolled up. Maybe there’s still a chance for Nettles? 🤣
@WolfKing158
@WolfKing158 Месяц назад
Rhaenyra better not go after Rhaena for not protecting her son, because she seemed to have forgot all about Aemond & what he did to Luc. Rhaenyra's ending is beginning to make more & more sense, she directs her energy to the wrong things almost every time. This season also taught me how just showing a dragon costs a lot of mf money. Rooks Rest had the show struggling budget wise, because they skipped over multiple battles & just showed the aftermath.
@mrsdixon3524
@mrsdixon3524 Месяц назад
Makes sense Sheepstealer being in the vale as the was a sheep shortage the crown collected them and The Vale are known for its sheep lol
@heatherbrooke6364
@heatherbrooke6364 Месяц назад
Why is everyone so Crazy about Nettles? She only has like maybe 7 pages in the books.... Who cares?? Plus she was a homewrecker we can do without In my humble opinion. Sry
@anna_luin
@anna_luin Месяц назад
Praying they take the fan feedback and get rid of Rhaenettles ideas and hoping that Nettles pops out from somewhere and hops on sheep stealer.
@Twtybird1
@Twtybird1 Месяц назад
I feel like there was a “one-of-them-has-to-go” script decision made between Nettles vs Alys Rivers, and Alys won. The omission of Nettles by reworking her into Daemon’s daughter and giving her Sheepstealer has scrambled my brain and I remain As Confused As I Ever Was.
@yugrise1286
@yugrise1286 Месяц назад
saw some video of dragon demands that rhaena had double bec a scene is rhaena falling maybe in dragon. Did you consider greyghost bonding with rhaena and Sheepstealer will escape and go to dragonstone so nettles can claim her?
@saenz7947
@saenz7947 Месяц назад
I absolutely loved season 1, it was just so great to watch and even better upon rewatch. Season 2 felt... off? Maybe season 3 will be satisfying enough to excuse the 2nd second, but to me it really felt like three or four, max. five episodes being dragged into 8 and I expected more. Especially because I only now found out that episode 8 was the season finale?! What?? It got quite boring honestly in the second half of the second but I still expected a good pay off as ought to take place in a season finale, ought it not? I really liked Daemon's Song of Ice and Fire vision, oh and I loved Helaena being involved in the visions, but it did not fully satisfy me. I am starting to worry we might see the same ripple effect we saw in later seasons of GOT because of changing/leaving out major plotlines. You can count me among those who will be really disappointed if they don't decide to change their mind and add Nettles in the last second. Jumping from behind Sheepstealer and shouting ''screw off that's mine Dragon'' would be hilarious.
@luisa.acevedo3326
@luisa.acevedo3326 Месяц назад
It might be because ASOIAF dragons are artificial, but predators require a territorial rangue for resources. So that decision (roaming dragon) makes sense.
@haymaker710
@haymaker710 Месяц назад
This was the finally that never was.
@neptunianmystic
@neptunianmystic Месяц назад
Thank you for such a nuanced review. People were definitely dragging it. This was a good season! The last episode did feel a bit rushed but as a whole this show is the best thing on TV.
@oppenheimer6321
@oppenheimer6321 Месяц назад
I feel like they left the ending ambiguous because they're still not sure if they're actually going to exclude Nettles, kind of like they went back on Daeron after not mentioning him in the first season.
@AETTEW
@AETTEW Месяц назад
Totally agree except for that I'm wondering how they are going to set up the conflict between Rhaena and Rhaenyra?! Can't imagine Rhaenyra demanding Rhaena's head😮 because she has been portrayed in the show as loving and caring. And Rhaena with sheep stealer would then help Rhaenyra take King's Landing (which Nettles did in the book) which would mean Rhaenyra knows and already accepts the fact that Rhaena sent Aegon and Visery alone to Pentos... Or are they going to cut off sheep stealer in battle too?!?!
@pachisi13
@pachisi13 Месяц назад
Nettles is not going to be in it. When they changed the race of Corlys some things had to change. Daemon already had two brown daughters he neglects. I thought she was his daughter and the writers are conscious of this. They may not admit it. But it’s like Adam and Allan definitively being Corly’s sons instead of Laenor’s.
@chvsmr9369
@chvsmr9369 Месяц назад
I’m even scared to ask this but you don’t think that, after the gullet, they’re gonna pull a s8 Dany with rhaenyra as in losing her son and being super super sad and angry so when alicent opens the doors and surrenders the city she’ll feel like it was “too easy” aaaannd burn things in her path when all she talked about this season is not using dragons on people and thats why people start turning on her
@chrisb6753
@chrisb6753 Месяц назад
I don't really care nettles was cut. Regardless this season did suffer from the episode cut. People need to chill though.
@luisfigueroa6710
@luisfigueroa6710 Месяц назад
I can see a combo scene of the Gullet battle cutting to a short battle with Rhaena rescuing Aegon (stormcloud is too small) but no able to rescue the other child. That would add to the conflict with Rhaenyra
@tremontwhite7181
@tremontwhite7181 Месяц назад
Episode 8 was some of the acting ever.
@kekero540
@kekero540 Месяц назад
Rhaena is gonna get Quentyned
@ManojRegmi-c3k
@ManojRegmi-c3k Месяц назад
I am still hoping for Nettles. We didnt see Rhaena claim sheepstealer. Maybe show writers change their mind and introduce Nettles. She could be already in vale and she is the one feeding sheep to the dragon.
@isaacupton615
@isaacupton615 Месяц назад
You sound like me and I know how delusional I sound😂
@brittney4u932
@brittney4u932 Месяц назад
​ I'm delusional too. I hope they got the 2nd actress that played Claudia in Interview with the Vampire to play Nettles and she going to pop out and be like "Oye, that's my dragon" 😂😂😂
@kalahjwinston
@kalahjwinston Месяц назад
Completely agree 10 episodes per season is ideal
@missyjayme9167
@missyjayme9167 Месяц назад
....and when Daemon sees Laena in the vision, she asked him if he was looking after their girls... kind of connects to this theory of Daemon protecting her when Rhaenyra finds out Rhaena ditched her babies.....
@dustinthegamingdad1282
@dustinthegamingdad1282 Месяц назад
Theoretical question here from the Winter King to the Holly Queen 😉😘 Who would be powerful enough to invoke Westeros version of the curse of Saturn on the Targaryen's?
@burntorangehorn
@burntorangehorn Месяц назад
I would love it if all this turned out to be a big fake-out, where when Rhaena tries to claim Sheepstealer, Nettles shows up with some sheep, and it turns out she's been doing it all along.
@akireodd
@akireodd Месяц назад
Such a slow season. Spent too long on Daemon's hallucinations, the dialoque was boring and too spread out. Just weird. Why not pay George R.R. Martin to write a few episodes? Storyline is getting weirder and weirder I know George R.R. heated😅
@GrayArea
@GrayArea Месяц назад
He doesn’t have time. He’s trying to finish winds of winter and he’s trying to finish dunk and egg. He reads the scripts and gives them notes.
@akireodd
@akireodd Месяц назад
@@GrayArea I'm aware. I just want better for the show.
@nodatastored684
@nodatastored684 27 дней назад
Nanna Blondell, who played Laena should play Nettles who pushes past Rhaena and mounts her dragon it would make sense with Daemon, and then a flashback with Rhaenys and Corlys in the step stones they can film it withBattle f the Gullet
@peachibread1983
@peachibread1983 Месяц назад
I think Rhaeyna could have been done better if she was just straight up made nettles. Keep the dream stuff sure but maybe just three of them, and then have Rhaeyna find sheep stealer, bond with it, show up at harrenhall, and confront daemon for being a bad dad. Have him be unable to escape her even on dragon back and finally have to learn how to be a good person. The final dream should be about Viserys and the crown being heavy, but Rhaeyna if she is going to get the dragon have her fulfill the role
@Shelly-mz9yf
@Shelly-mz9yf Месяц назад
Yes..yes..and Yes ! Nettles, 10 ep and George is a complex writer. So patiently awaiting 😌 😂❤
@ace876media2
@ace876media2 Месяц назад
I like this daemon is gonna be force to protect his daughter
@christypassy
@christypassy Месяц назад
I am so not ready for that 2 years wait.😩😩😩😩
@yylfordt6125
@yylfordt6125 Месяц назад
Omfg I'm so fucking sick of everyone crying over a damn TV show with their entitled Main character syndrome acting like its the end of the world just because events didn't play out how you wanted to. Completely ignoring the fact that there was a writers strike.. you guys should be HAPPY about this ending. With this shortened season we're more than likely going to get an EXTRA season that we initially would have. Everyone's in their own world complaining and saying the show is trash & ruined. If you're a true fan of the show, you'd realize & trust in the process.. if you wanna be pissed about something, be pissed at them leaving out Nettles. That is quite literally like the only bad thing that's happened so far, gd.
@tyhuston1748
@tyhuston1748 Месяц назад
@grayarea I can’t find anyone covering that larys seemed to be warging while smuggling Aegon out in last scene. It was quick, but I find it hard to believe they didnt do this on purpose or for a reason. Can someone confirm this or am I just seeing his eyes roll back in his head for no reason?
@akireodd
@akireodd Месяц назад
You know what, guys? They might bring Nettles in S3. It took them until season 2 to even mention Alicent's youngest son. Could be a budget issue, a resource issue (competent writers), a surprise for the audience, a mix of all 3, or some other reason. Cause... who was that girl in the promo photos (candid clips prior to the S2 release) and who was also captured in a brief clip during the red sowing? WHO WAS THAT??👀 (Cause she fits the part.) Now that Daemon knows what's to come and is a green seer, he may meet Nettles and she could guide him in the ways of the forest and help him see more of the future or past and in turn, he can show her the ways of dragon riding and highborn etiquette. The closeness could be what brings them together, and also what brings on Rhaenyra's wrath since she already warned him not to leave her again. He leaves Nettles, despite his newfound love because he swore an oath to put/leave Rhaenyra on the thrown and has to be the one to defeat Aemon. Hopefully. This shall be my delusion until.S3 comes out
@1992zorro
@1992zorro Месяц назад
Why is Alice Rivers crying? Still don't know. In al seriousness, I think Rhaena is going to disappear and change her identity as Nettles
@jengarcia8949
@jengarcia8949 Месяц назад
What if! Instead of vaserys getting captured…. Rhaena rescues the two boys. Or else how will they explain him being alive and married years later? Do they plan on having a new spin off explaining the loose ends?
@agnesrazelle6030
@agnesrazelle6030 Месяц назад
Alys was crying because she saw season 8 of Game of Thrones 😂
@pachabele
@pachabele Месяц назад
🤣🤣🤣
@Angelictigerjin
@Angelictigerjin Месяц назад
while I am sad nettles is "gone' I feel the writers wanted Rhaena to have a more important role to play. Season 3/4 has a LOT of betrayals alot,so they needed to show glimpses of these now.... As for Alice rivers cry away she for me was the most mundane character. I think we needed 10 episodes but can see why they did 8.anticipation for next season will be high.
@broderickfall
@broderickfall Месяц назад
Other than the last episode, this season was a 10/10
@vlredreign
@vlredreign Месяц назад
Hey, Gray, what if Alys was crying because Nettles was warging the black goat, and now that Rhaena has claimed Sheepstealer, Nettles is trapped in the goat?
@badpexalpha2873
@badpexalpha2873 Месяц назад
I really enjoyed your video on nettles. It’s too bad she won’t be included because I feel like it would be a great avenue to explore the complexity of Damon even more. I hope he hasn’t reached the pinnacle of his arc. I understand why people are mad, I’m kind of pissed but you’re right it is a great show. The actors did a great job, but still I’m a little sour. #ReleaseTheFinal2Episodes
@scififantasygirl
@scififantasygirl Месяц назад
I agree with George.
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