Margaery Tyrell describes the rise of her family before and after the arrival of Aegon the Conqueror, their subsequent loyalty to the Targaryens, and the power of the fertile lands of the Reach.
“Perhaps they should have sought counsel. Perhaps they did.” Margery implies that the Tyrells actually influenced House Gardener to fight the Targaryens so it would get wiped out and leave room for House Tyrell. Brilliant
You win either way, they lose you do what they did, they Win(which they didn’t) you’re lauded for being the ones who advocated the victorious side. It’s a cunning act, and cunning subtle ambition is precisely what Tyrell women are known for. They’re pretty much the Slytherins of the Reach
"But mountains run dry, winter yield to spring and the rose blooms once more" My house is now dead It's been one year and more and I still can't get over her death.
she would give up the throne and give it to dany and take their place as second in command - as before. margaery and olenna are too smart to fight against dany and her dragons. they think long term and not impulsively. since any can't have kids, I'm sure they'll manipulate her to name margaery and her kids as heir. and they will ultimately have the throne in next generation :)
jeramahia123 She was both. She was a fairly good person who knew how to play the Game of Thrones by killing people (not literally) with kindness and got her way while making most people happy.
So they were manipulators from the beginning? From Margaery's narration, was it the Tyrells who were behind the death of the Gardners by "advising" their king to face the Targaryens in futile combat so that their house would die and the Tyrells would yield Highgarden in hopes of being rewarded?
Yes, in another short, she hints at how the wife of Harland Tyrell would whisper into his ear. She convinced Harland to tell the Gardener king that he;d lose face with the other kings should he be the only king to hand over his land to Aegon. Implying the Tyrells knew they would hand it over, and benefit in one way or another.
They may not be perfect, but the Tyrells are still one of my favorite houses. I appreciate how the women of their house played the game of thrones in their own way, doing with whatever circumstances and opportunities they're given in the reality they live in.
There was also Alerie(Margaery, Loras, Willas, and Garlan’s mother), Mace Tyrell’s lady wife and the three cousins, Ladies Elinor, Megga, and Alla Tyrell.
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Both. One does not automatically negate the other. She was an expert manipulator, but was also a genuinely kind and caring person. She didn't go out of her way to maliciously hurt someone with her schemes, in fact I don't believe the outcomes of her plots ever hurt anyone from what I remember. An example of her kindness would be Margaery trying to cheer up Sansa when she's betrothed to Tyrion, she had no reason to as Sansa had stopped having any value whatsoever to the Tyrells by that point.
Man the show really wasted their potential. I'm hoping the books do better, it seems like the show just wanted to wrap things up and move on to the next shock value moment.
I think Martin made it obvious (though Dan and Dave had no idea what they were doing in the show) that the Reach, especially the Tyrell's were introduced as the power behind a "Targaryen" in the future, whether it was supposed to be Dany or Jon in the show or any number of possible Targaryen's in the books; whomever the Reach sided with immediately gained an instant army, resources and therefore power, they are the swing vote and the Tyrell's have lasted for thousands of years and always followed a Targaryen, that the show didn't understand that is beyond me, no way could Cersei get away with that and nobody could take on Highgarden, absolute rubbish!
@@siran424 Yes but the Tyrells were the true power behind the reach even the Gardner kings were in charge. At some point, the Gardner line started run out kings with good sense, but were kept strong by the Tyrells management of the there realm. When the Gardner line was destroyed, which even Margery acknowledges may have been due to council of her ancestor, they simply positioned themselves to be the new rulers of the reach and rule openly rather then behind the scenes.
@@Not-Ap That's just silly. Ever heard of Garth Grenhand ?? I can name some others too. The Tyrells were never the power behind the scenes for the Gardners. That's just delusional talk from Margery Tyrell. They might have influenced some weak, poor Gardner rulers but not all of them.
@@Not-Ap The true power behind the reach was and still is House Hightower, even during the conquest of Aegon the Conqueror, the combined armies of the Lannisters and the Greenhands numbered 30 thousand and more, a third of which belonged to House Hightower. The Tyrells are nothing more than a couple of squires who betrayed their own king.
House Tyrell is one of the Great Houses of the Seven Kingdoms and is the principal noble house in the Reach. Its seat is at Highgarden. Its coat of arms displays a golden rose on a green field, and its words are Growing Strong. Bastards born in the Reach are generally given the surname "Flowers". The Tyrells became liege lords of the Reach after the last King of the Reach (House Gardner) was killed, and the new royal House Targaryen raised the Tyrells from stewards of Highgarden to Lords of Highgarden. Because House Florent had a better claim to Highgarden, the Tyrells are often seen as "upjumped stewards" by the lords of the Reach and other Great Houses; however, the women of the Tyrell household are noted for being shrewd and clever leaders.
I find it odd that someone as smart as Olenna would allow all of her family to be in one spot at the same time. Tywin was smart enough to make sure that the Lannisters weren’t all gathered in one area, even during great events like weddings.
I don't think all the Tyrells are gone cause olenna had 2 other kids besides her son , she had two daughters who had children and her husband Also had siblings so I don't think all the Tyrells are gone
The Tyrell bloodline may not be completely gone but the Tyrell name has faded forever in the show. Mina and Janna may have existed in the show, but Mina is probably wed to Paxter Redwyne and her surname is now Redwyne by marriage and Janna is wed to Jon Fossoway, meaning that her surname has also changed as well. By rights Highgarden and the South should have gone to Paxter since he may be married to a Tyrell but Bronn got Highgarden instead. I liked Bronn a lot but he should’ve gotten the twins of the Dreadfort as his castle. Not Highgarden.
House Tyrell trace our descent to Garth Greenhand, the legendary first King of the Reach, who made the land bloom. But so too does every noble house around us. It seems dear ancestor Garth planted as many flowers as he plucked. A king should have more consideration for his line, don't you think? For over a thousand years, the Greenhand's sons and grandsons ruled The Reach as House Gardener. The offshoots of his daughters grew into vast and powerful houses in their own right. Except for House Tyrell. We chose instead to serve our Gardener cousins faithfully as stewards. To manage their stronghold of Highgarden and the daily affairs of the Reach. Our words are "Growing Strong." And under our stewardship, the Reach did just that. As did we. Until a blundering king almost cost us everything. Aegon Targaryen had landed in Westeros. King Mern allied us with the Rock to repel the upstart's army. One can only marvel that King Mern did not reconsider when he saw the living dragons against him. Perhaps he should have sought counsel from his trusted stewards before he set out. Then again, perhaps he did. At the Field of Fire, Aegon, and let us not forget his sisters, burned the combined armies of the Reach and Rock. King Mern paid for his misjudgment with his life and that of his ancient family. In a day, the Reach had lost its king, its ruling house, and most of its army. Thankfully for everyone, my ancestor, Harlen Tyrell, had better sense. Until the maesters sorted out the entail among Mern's cousins, Harlen, the steward was acting lord of Highgarden. To ensure peace and life in the Reach, he would yield the castle of Aegon. The other castles and families would then follow, as they had since the Dawn Age. Aegon had a continent to conquer, and the fertile Reach was too valuable to raze. He accepted Harlen's proposal and welcomed our lands into his kingdom. To show his gratitude, Aegon entitled Harlen to Highgarden, the castle his family had served for a thousand years, and made House Tyrell his Wardens of the South, choosing us over older, greater families in the Reach. Our House thus owed everything to the Targaryens. So is it any wonder we stayed true to King Aerys, even during his madness, and even after Robert Baratheon rebelled. Some may question my father for laying siege to the Baratheon's home instead of marching to aid Prince Rhaegar before Robert could kill him and scatter the royal army. But let us not forget we had already dealt Robert his only defeat of the war at Ashford. If Lord Tywin Lannister had not "vanquished" the Mad King so suddenly, our siege would've destroyed Robert's home and his brothers and won the war for Aerys. But when the Targaryens fell, House Tyrell again chose peace and prosperity over war and devastation, and bent the knee to King Robert Baratheon, First of His Name. We returned to Highgarden to manage the affairs of the Reach, as we had for thousands of years and will for a thousand more. Other Great Houses take lions and wolves for their sigils and draw their power from the gold in their mountains or the cold of their winters. But mountains run dry, winter yields to spring, and the rose blooms once more.
I haven't read the books, but that narration and story gives house tyrell a slightly sinister vibe. An ancient, thorny rose garden that grows inch by inch until it drags you down.
Bet Hightowers were pissed when they were overlooked and Tyrells became the Warden of the South... Even in HOTD you still can feel how influential they were compared to Tyrells at the time, directly mingling with Targaryans (Tyrells were still Warden of the South but seems like Hightowers have significant influence and independence), only by GOT time Tyrells became very strong on their own, but still marrying Hightowers for alliance in the region, like Maergery's mom
Yeah it's kind of a dick move by Aegon to name the Tyrells the lord paramount of the reach when it was the Hightowers of Oldtown that crowned him as king of Westeros, though again, to be fair with Aegon giving that title to House Hightower would create a house near equal to his own house' strength and influence.
@@bcf1237it was a wise move on Aegon's part. The Tyrells owe their legitimacy to the Targaryens. There's always the pressure to stay in line else the castle be given to some with better claims.
"we returned to highgarden to manage the reach has we have done for 1000 years and will do for a thousand more" 5 years later: See Bron of House Blackwater, Warden of the South....
I doubt they'll last. They don't have any proper legitimacy and the Great Houses of the Reach will probably kick him out. The truth here would be from the House Redwyene. Not to mention, he seems more into using the land to just have a large army.
Until D&D fudged it all up, the trajectory for House Tyrell was always to survive, they may not start wars, they may follow the strongest houses, they may bend the knee, but they survive and they outlast everyone else.... and those idiots who took over Game of Thrones in season 5-8 ruined all of that. I don't doubt in the books the Tyrell's will survive.. and grow and lend their resources and soldiers to a Targaryen, whomever that may be...
I wish they had kept with the Books. The way the show ended them was sloppy, and stupid. Margaery had Three brothers. The Eldest was a shrewd man of integrity and had a way with animals. He was the one Sansa was offered, and Sansa was happy with the idea, which made her being tricked all the more sad. The second eldest already had heirs of his own, he was a warm fearless man, who was loved by many. The third(Loras) was not the heir, by Any means.
HBO GOT should have shown the Lannister Tyrell battle at Highgarden. There were more soldiers involved than the bastardbowl. It was the major disappointment of that season.
@3:00 "but let us not forget that we dealt Robert his only defeat".....is it really the Tyrells who defeated Robert or Tarlys? granted the Tarlys were under the rule of the Tyrells but it seems like Randel Tarly was the competent war strategist and not the matriarchal Tyrells
LightTrack I remember Loras talking to Renyl using the terms interchangeably, so shes not wrong. Two ways to refer to the same family name with slight pronunciation differences, what's there to cry about?
George RR Martin himself pronounces “Baratheon’s” as “Bar-ah-thee-onz” and “Cersei” as “Cer-seh”. So it really doesn’t matter if its “Ti-rell” or “Ty-rell”, it comes down to the person.
