How Alabama's IVF ruling is dividing devout Christians | BBC News 

I'm going to say the same thing people have been shouting from the rooftops for decades now; It's not about protecting children, it's about controlling women.

Force women who don't want children to have children, prevent women who want children from having one. This is what happens when church and state are not separated and when Judges in Alabama start referencing God in their judgements like the Taliban.

Mentioning god in a judicial ruling is ridiculous and disgusting. We are a secular country, there is a separation between church and state for a reason.

Irrefutable proof that we, Americans, have lost our minds.

Alabama : It is up to Alabama to decide how women have children. It is unacceptable for individual women to have any choice whatsoever.

Pro-life until it affects you negatively. Typical.

You can't have it both ways. Abortion usually involves embryos, and if they're children, then so are the vast numbers of embryos that get destroyed in IVF. It's very revealing- if one opposes abortion but not IVF, do they really want to "save the babies," or do they just want to punish people for having sex?

Alabama Supreme Court: “Frozen embryos are children.” Alabama Hospitals: “Come collect your children. What do you think we are? Daycare?”

Alabama is 47th out of 50 in nearly every socioeconomic and educational facet

To believe a tiny miniscule embryo has the same value of life as a fully developed human being under the law is absurd

How does this happen? If a Supreme Court judge mentioned scripture in a ruling in Australia, he/she would be thrown out or more likely laughed out of court by the Government. It just would NOT happen.

Typical case of "Leopards ate my face"

...the wrath of holy god...? And I thought, the American judicial system couldn't get more ridiculous. But they always prove me wrong. Yes, they can...

I still don't get how a Christian can use IVF in the first place. I thought if you were meant to have a child your God would provide one.

As a United States citizen, I have to say this is really getting out of control. If you're going to try and convince us that an embryo a baby then where's my welfare check because I obviously have more than one frozen embryo. Then clearly I have a lot of children and i'm not sure how I can care for them. Food. Clothe. Dress.... children are expensive! Do you see the ridiculousness of their statement?

Alabama is a poverty state. I'm amazed this much attention is being paid to on a US Welfare state.

For those who bet that Gilead will start in Alabama; you win.

Highest stupidity ever ruled.

Are they included in the census taking? Given social Security numbers? Food stamps? Tax deductible?

That’s is BRAINLESS GOP decision.

Don't we have seperation of state and religion? Yesh.

Ugh, they'll make these rules but not bother in trying to change the culture around it. It is only about state forced birth. They say a fertilized egg is a person, but still end up celebrating birthdays, that your age starts when you're born, that you gain citizenship when you're born. Our whole society is built around life beginning when you're born.

don't worry about it - frightening words to hear from a politician. I guess Christian groups will make their own rules and exceptions based on their experiences, polls, and family members who are going through or have already used IVF

What they should be asked, to prove that God exists, faith alone is not enough in these times.

Imagine banning abortion for "killing children" but also banning IVF for those who want children.

So, the state will pay in perpetuity for all those embryos that are frozen or until the end of time. Since, of course, Alabama won't let those frozen embryos just wither away and dry up.

i’m so disgusted with my country. i take contraception to prevent cancer for god sakes. what am i supposed to do if the pill is gone forever…….

next they will in prison us for having a period...

First, they came for abortion rights, but I did not speak up because I was not seeking abortion...now they come for me and there is no one left to speak for me

Notice how this politician says that they have to write the law so that it doesn’t offend “this group” or the “other group”. Question: Which group is going to pay you the most money, pal? That’s the one who gets the favorable vote. In politics, it’s always money that talks the loudest.

I heard this on the radio first and fully thought I must have misheard because who actually just throws a wrench into IVF driving it into a full halt then says don’t worry about it “you can get back to your normal infertility issues soon” Like. I’m pretty sure they’re already at their infertility issues thanks to this.

He mentioned an invisible being and fear of that being in ruling...... About laws . Eject him now.

Ridiculous ruling. Wow. This stuff is out of control.

As a German, it scares me that the judges refer to God. I have long since become accustomed to the fact that religion and justice are separate.

The bible should never be used as a justification for a court ruling, it's an affront to the constitution. And abortion is not an affront to God, the Bible is not pro life and neither is their God, in the bible it makes it very clear that a fetus is not equal to a baby, and also in the book of numbers it literally says if your wife if unfaithful and gets pregnant you're supposed to take her to a priest to give her a forced miscarriage.

I can’t help but think the Alabama citizens are at fault. Now they don’t like the government telling them how to live their lives?! The answer is not all human life is the same. And you can’t say an embryo is the same as a baby born.

Hope they realize the ethical complexity and nuance and start supporting abortion rights.

Our Country is a MESS! How embarrassing! We are the laughing stalks of the world!

Child tax credit for your frozen babies in your fridge? Any sex after day-1 will be considered a child abuse?

Popsicle child personhood because a fiction book?

😢😢😢😢😢😢

Crazy that they think frozen embryos are children. I am actually taking a class in biology and part of my test was what constitute a living being (human) heart beat. 😊 definitely would have gotten that answer wrong.

a judge citing the bible?!! hello?

Potential for life is confused with life itself. For being considered as human being, the embryo must undergo succesful birth. Full term baby cannot be compared with an embryo. Eg 18 yo is different than 60 yo.

Dig into the politics of this. Forget consistency or not of anti-abortion/IVF... ideologies are adaptable. Conservative xtians/politicians need more adherents to keep their momentum going. So, anti-abortion works for all factions but anti IVF does not for the political class.

Not really related but remember some people want animals to have the same rights as humans. I do not support suffering but I guess it is time to think about that too.

Welcome to dystopia, folks. Y’all voted yourself right into it

American Taliban.

You can either have religion or you can have brains. Not both.

One must be taught science and stuff to understand the implications of such decisions. Inbreeding carries a heavy price 😢

If the embryo dosent take is that murder?

#Religionispropaganda

Jesus!

religions have nothing to do with it.

Where's the coverage on the us soldier that set himself on fire outside the Israeli embassy in Washington dc?

He declared them life. He didn't say you couldn't do ivf. He said you couldn't destroy it intentionally injure them! It's really not that complicated. What it simply meant was unused embryos can't be discarded like trash much like babies are during abortions.

Thought for the day Question: If you're a Frozen Embryo but never hatched when Loki returns are you safe from Odin's judgement? I ask because while I'm not a believer still over the years I've been told by at least some of faith that yes even children are judged by their god and as a result can be subject to HELL! (PS There are those of any-number of faiths who seem to trip over themselves trying to make their god sound like a real PRICK!) Now I think it's fair as well as logical (Yes I realize logic and faith are far from seeing eye to eye) but still people come on! As I was saying it's logical to argue that a child might be told by the grown ups in their lives and the society they grew up in that they are part of the X,Y, or Z cult but until their brains mature they didn't really make a choice at least yet. Also it might be logical to hope they get exposed to alternatives prior to making a final choice after all Christians might argue that a Islamic child who wasn't informed about Christianity in their small isolated village couldn't make a choice unless they knew there were options to choose from. However their are those who disagree. Which brings me to Alabama's frozen children and if they're still in the cooler on judgement day what happens to them? Jimmy Ninetoes

they voted for these republican lawmakers. enjoy!

My God wants women to survive. where is respect for my religion?

One immediate outcome is that clinics are still storing eggs and sperm, but not combining them to create an embryo. The possibility is that one at a time these can be combined and each embryo dealt with as individuals, rather than destroy unwanted embryos i n a cynical materialist system.

America is not a real place. 😮

One of the reasons for the revelation of religious legislation is to meet and adopt it so that those with personal interests do not mislead you🤔

Lmao

So, in Alabama, is having a period murder?

The Christian Church says “no” to IVF due to the massive destruction of embryonic life, the assault on the meaning of the conjugal act and the treatment of the child as a product not a gift. She continues to announce a loud “yes” to life, endeavoring to take care of the human embryo, the least of our brothers and sisters (see Matthew 25:40).

*The Chief Justice's statement carries weight*

An embryo has DNA, from which you can determine gender, hair color, genetic illness etc, it is a microscopic human being and should have the same right as we, the constitution clearly state all human beings including microscopic are created equal and endued with inestimable right from God, the DNA says it's an human being not a fish or goat, who am to deny him that right, we gave everybody including gays, weed smokers so why should embryos be denied their right, after all if it's good for goose why is it bad for pigeon, because of size.

Mommy is always on top 🎉❤

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. No one has a right to children.

Stop misleading Christmas for Christians ❤❤❤

You can't divide True Christains.

I feel like the BBC really picks and chooses what they report to help create a narrative.

Keeping eggs and sperm in a store room is so crazy but not in the West. Its totally normal to make kids in a lab lol

Regardless of the religion an individual is devoted to, one fundamental part of having belief in said religion; is the notion that God Himself is the best of Planners. So with this understanding, part of devotion is the belief that God created the human race with His Plan. Which consists of Blessing individuals with the capacity to possess knowledge, which human creation can sought to for when they require guidance in certain matters. And such people are described and known as: The People Of Knowledge. Which God mentions in His Scriptures, and Instructs mankind to seek the help of The People Of Knowledge. And so, when the current circumstances and situation which the Alabaman people are presently facing in this matter which the news is reporting about, there is a solution which God has already instructed mankind to resort to. And that is of course to seek the guidance, knowledge and answers from the people of knowledge. Because, when God sent down His Scriptures for mankind to abide by, such matters and situations was not in existence at the time of when the Scriptures were revealed.

Women triggered they can’t put babies in the freezer.

Once a unique whole human organism - comes into existence. That is a ‘human being regarded as an individual’ - a person. So we should protect them under the law.

Tout and cheaters are called as BRITISH in indian sub-continent 😂

A judge has written in a ruling that an embryo is the image of God , So I took the judges' statement and ask AI if this is constitutional. No, it is not constitutional for a judge to declare that an embryo is the image of God in a ruling as it violates the principle of separation of church and state. The statement made by the judge in the ruling regarding embryos being the image of God is not constitutional as it violates the principle of separation of church and state. This is the Judges Statements in the order . We believe that each human, being from the moment of conception, is made in the image of God, created by Him to reflect His likeness. It is as if the People of Alabama took what was spoken of the prophet Jeremiah, and applied it to every unborn person in the state.” And the chief justice continues, referring to the embryos: “Carving out an exception for the people in this case, small as they were, would be unacceptable to the People of this State, who have required us to treat every human being in accordance with the fear of a holy God, who made them in His image.”

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WHY are we getting so much USA NEWS - both on Radio and TV ? WHATS GOING ON ? Even programs on Radio 4 nearly always have an American accent featured amongst their guests - ???????