I already considered walking into traffic when I heard the main culprit was black, but those videos took the decision right out of my hands and killed me instantly. It should be illegal to be this horny 😭
10:25...just ONE thing i disagree with in the wife's statement, female athletes have ALWAYS been given the same treatment No matter if its Rhonda rousey or norways veach volleyball team
@@selenophile5256 sadly this is true, but generally the team itself did not endorse it (although often the sport itself encourages it through for example uniform rules)
@@selenophile5256Well they never really said it doesn’t happen just that people would definitely be way less comfortable about it if the genders were reversed, I’m not sure if I’ve seen the actual team ever support this behavior when it comes to female players
i think its an automatic defensive reaction from them rather than considering where the other person is coming from. they took it personally rather than tried to sympathize or be considerate
If these people actually existed in the universe of their hockey romance novels they wouldn’t be the female leads they would be the crazy fans harassing them and causing the third act conflict
@@veronica5lmaaExactly. They would be that delusional stalker that harasses the main couple, tries to do some horrid bs but gets caught and gets served by everyone
"something happened in their marriage and now she's insecure" I think people publicly sexually harassing her husband counts as something happening in her marriage yes
Yea, and the people posting those comments with laughing emojis?? When did the thought of a family being torn apart become funny? Why are we laughing at a woman’s potential despair?
@@Ineverusemychannelthe irony is that these are typically the same people posting about “women empowerment” but they’re treating another woman badly to get their rocks off. They’re so fake.
and she literally explained that it had spread to their personal relationships in their lives and were making them uncomfortable irl and not just online.
Yeah on this topic - your comment was a very valid rule imo - when I discovered what RPF was that was a NOPE for me for this reason (RPF to my understanding being the acronym for real person [based] fiction]) --- if it's a historic person, maybe it's fine depending on who and how you're writing them, but modern people and worse, someone alive? Nope nope nope 🙈
Am I the only person who imagines novel characters as like anime or manhwa characters? Or like at least like a blurry overall image of a person. Associating a real person as the face would be so fcking weirrddddd 😭😭 and tbh breaks the “perfect” illusion for me
Reminds me of how the guy who played Mr. Shoe on Glee had to come out like “hi I know my character didn’t age well but please stop saying I’m creepy I am not a character”
I still can't get over the fact that she harassed this man AT HIS JOB. The tik toks were bad enough, but can you imagine dating a construction worker and a literal stranger comes to his site just to yell "drill me daddy!!" like ??? HAVE SOME DECORUM.
It felt so gross to watch the tiktoks sexualizing them doing their stretches. Like. Come on. It's so nasty when they HAVE to be there, it's like they're cornered. I cannot imagine how it would feel to see that footage later and what people were saying about you. I'd never want to go out on that ice again.
I have a feeling the krakens social media team encouraged her to post tiktoks at the game like that and if they didn’t, then I imagine she must’ve thought that’s what was expected of her to do for being invited the game by the team and given merch too solely for making those types of vids in the first place. It was DEFINITELY too much tho, but I just don’t think it’s all her to blame (at least for that part of the situation)
Dunno whats so fucking hard about tiktokers understanding that men can also be sexually harassed and withdraw consent and that justifying your blatant sexual harassment as "jokes" is fucking bad but here we are
@@withcindy "It Ends With Us" is popular on romance booktok despite being a story about very blatant domestic abuse so nothing about this surprises me but its still incredibly disappointing
@@starryeyes999It reminds me of people in the actual BDSM community vs people who read Fifty Shades of Grey spreading incorrect, dangerous ideas about kink. A lot of these people into more recent romance books that are popular online don't seem to care about ethics or consent. Colleen Hoover books are definitely contributing to that.
"I had a great week and this ruined it for me" GIRLLLL HOW ABOUT THE MAN YOU SEXUALLY HARASSED AND HIS WIFE? My god the self awareness is non-existent 😭
We are all "women for women", "girl's girl", but a woman, a wife, a mom, asks the internet to treat her man less explicitly and everyone attacks her? Wow, sure ain't classy.
It's really disturbing that they're doing this and it's so much worse knowing they do it to another woman's husband,why do so many women go after married men?? The sisterhood is bullshit!
@GabrielleTollerson This is why Japanese male pop idols keep their love life under wraps. Their fans like they own them,or "they belong to us". Usually female SOs of pop idols get so thrashed by the fans, it sucks.
Consent can be withdrawn at any time. Consent can be withdrawn at any time. Consent can be withdrawn at any time. Really disappointing to see how many of the thirst supporters are trampling all over that just so they can keep going with the “jokes.”
Like tf Booktok means??? It's her husband and feelings change. She thought it was funny at first but now it isn't. Getting so defensive over sexually harassing a man THEY DO NOT KNOW is disgusting.
it's so embarrassing. There's a whole group of black women and men that seem to worship white people. I like interracial couples but then there's those that just said 'I want white only.'
“Unless you know me don’t have my name in your mouth.” Yet she became famous for using someone she doesn’t know as a sexual fantasy and sexual harassed them at their place of work
That's the thing I don't understand here. She's a public figure, I think? People don't need to know who you are personally to call you out for bad behaviour.
I know. And the fact that he responded so gracefully to that was remarkable. I can't imagine having that level of self-restraint in the midst of such gross behavior.
People used to hide their embarrassing hobbies. Idk why they are so comfortable tagging and even telling everyone about their smutty fics now. SMH.🤦♀️
After listening to Kierra say 'we're just having fun', 'it's for fun,' 'it's not serious,' I couldn't help but think about how I've heard racists and misogynists use this exact excuse. Great points, Cindy!
@@marielcarey4288 or when they say she wants to be the y/n???? SHE'S HIS WIFE AND HE'S A REAL PERSON??? SHE IS HIS Y/N!!!! Treating her like she's some obsessed fangirl who refuses to share of her own husband. It's....vile. When fandoms crossover into real people's lives you know it's gone too far.
His wife makes a very interesting point: if the sexes were switched, would this kind of thirsting still be considered harmless? His wife’s statement was more than fair. “Not classy, Felicia.” Says the woman who is publicly begging another woman’s husband for sex 🤣 Definitely some projection happening here
As a black woman myself, it really bothered me that Kierra used her race to deflect from valid criticism, especially since in the past she dismissed black romance and said she doesn’t want to read it based on the (false) assumption that all black romances are centered around racism. It just feels strange to have your entire account revolve around thirsting over white characters written by white authors, publicly admit to avoiding diverse books, but when you get called out for sexual harassment, suddenly you care about the black community 😭.
@@TheNumnutRandomness Yup that was her 😭. I saw that video of her saying she doesn’t want to read black romance books a few weeks ago. Imagine my shock when I find out she’s the same person in this booktok drama. AND she has defended white men saying the n word and being racist. Like??
I think this kinda the result of girlboss feminism. People think it’s empowering to do exactly what the oppressor has done and don’t realize they are perpetuating a system that treats people like sexual objects. While violence against men is not systemic, it doesn’t mean it can’t occur on a personal level. If someone draws a boundary it should be respected.
I think it actually takes courage for a man to set a boundary or file a complaint in these cases, because you know they are going to take flak for it. Not to diminish what can happen when a woman asks to not be sexually harassed in her workplace, but society doesn't set the same standards when women harass or abuse men.
Thing is, it’s not like woman aren’t ashamed by their abuse either, yknow? Women take plenty flack for daring to accuse public figures of abuse, because to acknowledge abuse often means acknowledging systemic issues in our society. Shame and worry are not unique emotions to men in this situation- instead I dare say a man is experiencing the exact SAME feelings a woman is. Will I be believed? Will someone think I’m being an attention seeker, that I was asking for it? That I should be flattered? What if people HATE me for saying someone they know harassed or abused me? Are thoughts anybody experiencing abuse will think, man or woman.
@@pharoahcaraboo9610 No, I know. I've luckily only had one time that I should have reported someone, but I held off precisely because I was new to my taskforce / location, and was afraid of how it would be seen, I only told a few women that I already knew there about it and didn't want to bring it up to the bosses. One of my friends who had been through the same thing gave me specific verbiage that she said was what HR would want to see in an email, and shot back an email begging me not to report him and avoided me in the halls after that. Many months later my boss got a call from the client about one of their employees being afraid she was going to end up locked in his basement or something. My boss asked me how he's only just hearing that he's done this to other women at the office and no one told him, and I start to apologize, and he's, "Geez, you too?!?" So I wasn't even the only one on the taskforce this guy went stalker weird on and swept it under the rug, because that's what we do. But I just imagine that men would be even more afraid to report sexual harassment or physical abuse because that's going to be taken even less seriously.
As a black woman, the thing that actually piss me off the most is the "racist allegation". Like literally, we cannot call out someone on their behaviour and wrongful act because they're black ? Y'all gotta stop using race as an excuse to not facing the consequences of your actions.
RIGHT I'm a black woman too and I usually never assume racism unless that person has a prior history or is very blatant about it and it really pisses me off cuz WHY does that always have to be your first go to??
Watching her clips at the game was SO UNCOMFORTABLE. It felt like the equivalent of those creeps that film women working out, playing in sports and such. It was GROSS.
Omg TRUE! I was disgusted by how she screamed "krak my back" PUBLICLY at him at the game and filming him doing the groin stretch irl like it was some sort of sexual behavior. Like i get thirsting over him online and making comments online but when you bring that shit into real life and actually start harassing the very real person that you are thirsting over it crosses the line.
Booktok: "this man is hot" The wife of the man, that she has children with: yes, agreed, he's my man. Glad to see world caught on. Booktok: *inserts incredibly inappropriate sexual jokes on the main* The wife: Hey, not appropriate, tone it down, we are uncomfrotable. Booktok: BOO, insecure! The logic is not there, honestly. And people wonder why I avoid booktok like the plague!
Exactly! I think this is what a lot of kierra apologists are missing. Her agreeing to the fact that her husband is hot vs the gross comments that kierra made. I mean if someone is uncomfortable with you objectifying (borderline sexually harassing) their husband on your public platform with over a million followers, then simply apologise and delete your vids. Why are you texting the wife, then attacking her for not responding and then just trying to blame everyone but your own freaking self?
yeah the wife said that the harassment got to a point where they weren't able to escape it so it's really not that hard to understand that it's crossed a line which is why she spoke up about it. the wife didn't change her mind out of nowhere, the situation changed.
People get so defensive and go straight to trying to destroy someone’s life and mental health and for what?!? Why do people take things so far, i don’t understand why it’s so hard for people online to not cross the line. Like I don’t need to TRY not to do things like that I just don’t because it’s crossing a line and icky. It doesn’t matter if it’s in person or online, doesn’t matter what gender, nor should it matter if they’re a public figure or not…it’s not okay. And if you do accidentally cross a line like APOLOGIZE and learn from it. DAMN people really have to ruin everything.
It makes me so angry that the immediate assumption was that Felicia was “insecure”… but they never considered that Alex, the SUBJECT OF THESE COMMENTS, might have confided in his spouse, who he loves and trusts, about being uncomfortable. Maybe Felicia is just a good, loving partner who’s willing to step back from the jokes and support him.
yea it's not like felicia is bringing this up outta nowhere? she is his wife and mother of his child, they have obviously talked about this situation behind the scenes. clearly people did not want to recognize how much felicia is part of his private life
@@withcindy I feel like unless you know the dynamic if one parter says you are making their partner uncomfortable you take it a face value and listen to them, like its really not that hard
For me it's really funny, because I've been in a similar (though way smaller scale, obviously) situation before. One time, a male friend took my side and the bullies said I'm just insecure and need him to save me. The other time, a female friend stood up for me, and they bashed us both. I don't really want to make this a gender thing, but I can't help but wonder how both would play out if I was a guy.
@@minano-nim6795 I don’t think you’re making it a gender thing. The world around us already makes everything a “gender thing”. It probably would be different if you were a guy. We can stop making everything about gender when people stop treating men and women differently!
@@RSStarfire yeah, the reason why I added that before posting is that I realised even as a guy, it could still lead to more bullying depending what culture you come from. If I were a guy and another guy would stand up for me, in my culture and hometown, it would be social suicide to an extent that, as a girl, I had very few options to reach. Sexism and misogyny really strike both ways unless you very strictly conform to all the stupid unreachable ideals...
The way I first thought that Kierra is a 19-21 year old college girl when I first heard the story only to find out that she is a tax paying 27 year old.
Felicia actually being the real life main character of these books is such an interesting point. I think the reason some of those booktokers were not able to sympathize with her is because she’s not a fictional character they can relate to or project onto. A real life woman who already has the man can’t be the vessel for their self insert fantasies.
another example of how algorithms just put people in echo chambers. surrounding yourself with people who have the same mindset as you is not a bad thing per se. that's the backbone of communities, offline and online. but when no one offers you a different pov or challenges your perspective, why the need to change the way you think at all?
Makes me all the more grateful that, even as a kid, I had a mind to be respectful towards my assorted actor crushes. I stuck to just watching their movies, reading some fanfic, and then talking about them online with other fans. But never did I go so far as to get all personally weird about my attraction, because whether on or off camera, I recognize them as real people. 👏🙅♀
@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose right?? reminds me of all those kpop fans with the thirst/daddy edits. you could argue that it's to be expected when the industry relies on their looks, but still 🗿 maybe my demi ass just can't comprehend thirsting over someone for their looks but geez what ever happened to liking someone for their personality?? and it doesn't seem to occur to people that it's essentially the gender flipped ver of those creepy guys catcalling. as if they are entitled to making comments like this just because it's a public figure we're talking about. doing it on a public space is bad enough, but tagging and dm-ing the person in question so they can see it too??? a whole new level of insanity
This is crazy because sexual harassment towards men is NEVER addressed. It's brushed under the rug and seen as him being lucky. This is exactly why the Rudy Farias case resulted in no charge for his mother sexually assaulting him for years. Leave people alone, leave their bodies alone, and keep your comments to yourself.
@@kanekoeviltwin I see both women and men doing it together, but it's mainly the kind who think they're so strong or smart, so it “couldn't happen to them” or just straight-up perverts who get turned on by the idea of being assaulted.
Idk if it happens now, but when I was younger, it showed up in cases of teachers dating their students. Male teachers, looked down on. Female teachers hitting on their male students - the student was called lucky or the response was a yesssssss."
That's so true. My partner likes to wear kilts, and whenever he does, there's always at LEAST one woman who makes some stupid, suggestive "joke" about what's under it. He's even had women grab his kilt and try to lift it up! If a man tried to do that to a woman's skirt, it would universally be recognized as sexual harassment, but because it's a woman doing that to a man's kilt, it's ok?? It's so fucked up, and those women need to learn to act better. 😡
The excuse “oh it was just a joke don’t take it seriously” is literally what men say when they make sexist comments. It was alarming to see so many women using the same language to defend their harassment
I think the team completely abandoned their responsibility for exacerbating the situation - they just deleted, unfollowed, and then stayed silent and basically left the Wennbergs to fend for themselves.
so true. the manager or PR team should have spoken up and drawn the line instead of making the wennbergs fend for themselves. especially since they were the ones that started it
It’s wild that they went along with this behavior in the first place, I would have thought that professional sports teams would have procedures to deal with obsessed fan/stalker type behavior
@@rampagingrabbit9042 And according the ESPN when they reached out to the team for comment, the team just referred them to the statements made by the Wennbergs. Their SM team needs to be fired.
I can understand wanting to not feed into the attention/drama cycle and just letting it pass... but that's not acceptable when you bought her a jersey saying BOOKTOK smfh
The juxtaposition of Sierra's absolutely cringeworthy videos and Cindy's polite deadpan commentary is sending me 😂 "she's just passionate about thirsting over white men"
Tiktok has ruined a generation because it's taught people that other people are there for their entertainment and they can film them without asking. I live in fear that some tiktoker is gonna film me without knowing and post some judgmental or exploitative video of me
So true. I saw a TikTok of a potter molding clay and all the top comments were sexual (bc he put his fingers in holes in the clay). This type of behavior is normalized on there, like they don't consider they're talking to a real human in a public space.
I caught some little asshole recording my mother crying in her pj's on a bench once, I literally stay up at night horrified that video could end up a meme someday
Plus, The wife wrote her thesis on consent, this is obviously her area of both personal and professional interest! She was the best person to respond on this.
Kierra's constant doubling down on how "it was all a joke" "its not that serious" just reminds me of all the times Ive been catcalled. Sure, to you, yes. But to the person on the other side, its uncomfortable and harassment, plain and simple. Also kudos to the wife for being so well spoken and calm about this.
Like that's what I've always said when it comes to how my dad and brother would bully me, my sister, and my mom--yes! It's funny to you! BECAUSE YOU'RE BEING A BULLY. That's the literal definition of it not being okay, you're having a good time _and we're _*_not_*
Not them blaming Felicia, his WIFE💀 also like I’m pretty sure she and her baby son go to his games?? Imagine your baby asking what krack my back means and why some unknown woman keeps yelling it at their dad. The NERVE of these people.
i can’t believe how unprofessional the Krackens’ social media team was by even entertaining the community of people who literally couldn’t care less about the sport and only want to sexually harass their own players😒
Thank you! This is the part I’m baffled by. The wife and player should’ve immediately went and filed a complaint with the team’s front office for endangering him and their safety by legitimizing that BokTokker.
@@ToDoListChecklist another commenter pointed out that the hockey player and his wife are from sweden so they are likely in the US with a work visa and probably didnt want to jeopardize his career and visa
@withcindy And that’s okay. But, the Krakens are an American team who abide by American laws. They placed that man in harms way and now are backing away from the BokTokker as if she came out of left field with her content and is randomly making videos about one of their players. I am all for giving the content creator her just dues in terms of blame. But, we can’t act like this woman just appeared out of left field in the PLAYER’S box out of thin air. She was bought there by his employer and for that reason alone, the team should be getting as much if not more smoke as that BokTokker. In no one’s commentary have I seen them correctly pointing out that the BookToker was used by the PR Team and why this may have made her feel a ways. Yes, she took out her anger on the wife, but there is a case to be made that homegirl, like many an influencer/fan, has been used by an industry and thrown to the wolves when the corporation got in hot water (think Shein, etc.).
Kiera’s response is honestly disgusting. It’s exactly the same thing guys say when they get flack for sexual harassment: “why can’t you take a joke”, “you should be flattered”, “you liked it before,” etc. I wish there was a silver lining with misogyny where women would at least understand that they shouldn’t treat others the way they’ve been harassed their whole lives, but apparently some people don’t even have that basic self awareness :/
She got mad that a woman didn't respond to her weird DMs within A DAY. Because everyone is just so online that they should know to respond to all social media within a few hours, especially if they have a family in real life. Does this grown adult woman realize that she's acting exactly like the creepy dude we've all encountered?
Well, everyone has their strengths. He is smart enough to recognize that this is his wife’s strength more than his; so he’s like “I am going to leave this part to her; she’s got this.”
The funniest thing about this whole drama was people saying "she thinks she's the main character", and "who does she think she is" TO THE WIFE!! When all of these people read these hockey books because they like to imagine themselves as the hockey player's girlfriend/wife. So really is she the main character or not?
It's so funny, b/c the first thing that went through my head was, "If the love interests were A) the love of the main character's life B) A stalker who was screaming sexual harassment and stalking him, who do would YOU think is the main character?" ... Then I remembered this was booktok, so possessive stalking and harassment is actually the norm for love interests 🫣
It’s so so disgusting how they actually invited her to a game just so that she could sexualize them and talk about having sex with them while filming them imagine feeling so leered at
People in this situation and in general need to understand that consent can be revoked at anytime, if a person was okay with it that doesn’t mean that they will always be okay with it especially with how extreme they had got it’s honestly disgusting.
Yup all the comments and the tiktoker herself saying "well obviously she went along with it", like OK AT FIRST and then you guys crossed the line so hard so she and her objectified partner withdrew their consent and expressed their dislike?? The circular reasoning and positive reinforcement in that circle is crazy.
Not to mention, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the social media team just hopped onto the trend to get traction without ever discussing it with the players. Who knows how many of them actually consented to being used as thirst traps to begin with. Especially seeing as men tend to be a lot more hesitant to speak up when they're uncomfortable in situations like this.
Kierra specifically bothers me because she talked about being a “Black creator”, meanwhile she never recommends Black books or authors, even flat out saying she wouldn’t do so. She thirsts after White men, some of whom are racist against Black people, and she never platforms other Black creators. She’s only a Black creator so far as she can defend herself from valid criticism. She’s only a Black creator after being called out for sexually harassing someone. And people jumped to her defense because they know that if she’s wrong for objectifying a real person, then they’re also wrong for projecting actors, athletes, and other celebrities onto they’re fictional book boyfriends. It’s all deeply unserious.
yea it's very telling that she can excuse one of her celeb crushes for saying the N word, but doesn't excuse a woman for asking for boundaries and makes it about her being black
I feel like some of her appeal that got her a following was her use of AAVE in this super white context. Do you, sis, but it’s giving “I’m good with tokenism” to me.
@@jayelizardexactly, like the way she spoke gave me high "performative" energy. If that makes sense. Like, I've been around animated people b4, but she sounded more "overdone".
the harassment escalated a lot so it's not like the wife changed her mind out of nowhere either. not disagreeing with you at all though!! I just wanted to add that because kierra ignores the wife explaining how the comments about her husband crossed a line after a point. of course seeing a few people saying her husband is hot is very different from repeated sexual comments but kierra doesn't comprehend this somehow ?
No like actually imagine a man coming to a women’s gymnastics meet and screaming obscenities like that!!! The wife was so respectful I would’ve gone insane if I was her
Whole groups of men were showing up to LSU gymnastics meets this year just to see Livvy Dunne. They had to up security and she’s said she has to do all online classes bc she doesn’t feel safe going in person 😢 like what is WRONG with people??
As a black woman, I felt EXTREMELY uncomfortable watching that woman’s videos. Like, that was far too much to say about someone online- even if he was single. I feel like you can thirst after someone without being so explicit. She obviously has a large following of people who don’t feel the same way I do, but it felt predatory to me. A man should read out loud what she was saying because I guarantee their view would change.
I feel like this kind of thirsting should be limited to fictional characters. Unsolicited sexually explicit comments about real people can have a pervasive negative impact on the person, their image and reputation, especially when it becomes an internet phenomenon.
and because of how we value capitalism, companies and social media accounts definitely take advantage of people's thirsting in order to make their employee (whether that's an actor, singer, or athlete) more appealing and profitable
Honestly the lack of inhibition that SO many people on the internet have when it comes to celebrities/famous people in general is insane. 🤦🏾♀️ This whole situation reminds me of the thirsting over Pedro Pascal a few months ago. There is literally no excuse for sexually harassing someone like this, no matter their celebrity status, looks, whatever. And it’s made so much worse if they’re male since people think that sexually harassing guys is only innocent “fun”
Right? Like, could you imagine a group of people thirsting over a photo a photo taken as a promo for your job? And then they just ascribe a whole bunch of stuff that has *nothing* to do with you to your face. Uncomfy. And it would probably be even worse if you were face claimed as a villain. Stick to fan art people, please.
I didn't think people did it outside of roleplaying, seems way more appropriate in a private setting where its not about the person more about the character, seems weird to do it in books...
I feel like it's one step up from the celebrity castings you see everywhere. It's almost impossible to find a fandom where that doesn't happen. I don't have an issue with someone saying they picture a book character as Henry Cavill or wish they could see a movie with a specific actor playing a certain character. That's fine. The line though is definitely extending you feelings about a book character to the real human behind the photo.
@@hurricaneofcats yeah, I agree. I was a massive Maraunders fanfic reader throughout my teen years where "face claiming" was a pretty big thing. I think there is a distinction between "hey this actor kind of looks like what I imagine this character looking like if it was turned into a movie" and projecting a fictional character's personality onto a real life person and sexualising them based on that. When you start to see someone as an extension of a fictional character and not a real person and make that public enough that the real person can see it, is where the line is drawn for me.
Whats happening here w the hockey players is not a normal case of face claiming, which is something that has been around in fandoms for a long time. Its normally just to give fellow readers a more concrete idea of what a character is supposed to look like, not giving readers a whole real person to project their fantasies onto and harass in real life
I'm astonished, truly. Do people forget that these are real people???? "Oh this is tiktok, this is for fun", the person you're talking about is not having fun, it's harassment
I get making thirst jokes bc I do that too but the moment the person involved says they're not cool with that u NEED to listen cuz then that's not a joke anymore, that's harassment
I’m not from the US but white people can still be hatecrimed for being gay or trans for example, right? Or that is described by a different word? Sorry, I’m not a native English speaker.
This whole situation was just absolutely unsettling. Felicia handled things with such grace (a lot more than I certainly would’ve put if I was in her shoes). And honestly, I hate how people expect victims to handle things with utmost perfection to appease the person or group of people who violated them. She literally had “fans” come up to her and admit to performing sexual actions with her own husband’s jersey on. THAT IS WEIRD! It didn’t matter how Felicia reacted: a boundary was set and it should’ve been respected. And as a Black reader, to see Kiera who has always dismissed promoting or reading BIPOC work suddenly care about the Black community when she’s being rightfully called out for harassment… just pure insanity. A conversation on consent clearly needs to be had in this sphere of booktok. And it sucks too because this will be associated with all spheres of booktok, even though a lot of people do not condone these actions. I think another mind boggling part was seeing them try to claim that they put the Seattle Kraken on the map. It’s an NHL team! The highest league of hockey in Canada and the US. Some of these players play in the Olympics. They don’t need y’all to make them known!
Very true, even if Felicia was more tactless in her statement or reacted in an angry way, a boundary has been set and they need to listen. Plus it's clear her statement isn't just something she thought privately; this is something she would obviously have talked about with her husband too
Considering that English is neither her nor her husbands first language (they’re Swedish) I’m even more impressed by how articulate she was in her statement on her story.
@@sao-me1lt I know because I’m also Swedish just like them and I can confirm that we are pretty good. We start learning it in like first grade so we have a solid foundation to build on.
I don’t get how any professional organization can look at a woman screaming sexual innuendos at the top of her lungs about one of their employees, and think, “yeah, that’s the crowd we wanna pander to.” No wonder why Jack Hughes refuses to have TikTok.
@@tehbeernerdwhat’s worst if it was a man doing it, people will go crazy and shit on him. While a woman can “freely” be this weird. Like when will people realize even women are capable of what shitty men are able to do?
I get embarassed for myself when I silently thirst over a single man know irl. I cannot imagine publicly and loudly thirsting this much over a married man I do not know...
Apparently she is a 27 year old grown woman. Holy shit. This sounds like the actions of an 18 year old college student still trying to navigate social boundaries while doing shots of Fireball.
"other people like when I sexuallize them/their husbands so YOU should like it too" great logic. "You used to find it funny so you're not allowed to change your mind as things get more intense" perfect understand of consent and boundaries
Yes. I *really* hate the “what if it were the other way around” argument, but it’s true, if this was about a woman being harassed, I don’t think a single person defending the situation would still be defending it.
@@withcindyI am glad your addressing this, a lot of the criticism has come from outside the book community so I saw some people saying that non-romance readers don’t “get it” like by reading romance your in on the joke, but I read romance and this situation gave me nothing but secondhand embarrassment!! I hope some of these people have reflected and learned from it.
@@liv6775Can’t speak for the original commenter, but for me personally, I despise the role reversal argument because it often ignores context. Usually, when someone says, “if the roles were reversed”, it’s often to dismiss the role already being reinforced. For instance, when men say “if the roles were reversed” when a woman is talking about her rape or abuse, or when White people say the same thing about a person of color experiencing less blatant forms of racism. It’s often used, not to provide further perspective for people who can’t relate to certain types of oppression, but to instead dismiss the existence of certain types of experiences. It’s never, “if the roles were reversed”, when talking about a man actually experiencing sexual assault or abuse, because the same people using this argument don’t actually care about empathizing with people, they only care about their own comfort at the expense of anything else. It works in this scenario because the people discussing role reversals are using the argument as it’s intended to be used; as a way of encouraging people to reflect on their own experiences so they can then extend sympathy towards someone going through something similar to what they’re going through. Felicia saying that there’s a double standard against men works because she’s using it to defend her husband, not to put down another woman for going through a similar experience.
Great video. I don't think there's anything wrong with what the wife said and she even clearly tried to be nice. And yeah - Kierra has NEVER leaned on the black community before this & even turns away from black romance novels for her own personal taste while thirsting after racist white men, multiple ones! But we're supposed to show up for her now? TUH!
right?! she didnt have a problem with country singers saying the N word bc she thinks theyre hot, but she thinks a woman expressing discomfort for her family is being racist? girl be for real and love yourself lol
@@Drewski217 Truly! Part of me wants to think perhaps she's just doing a bit for engagement, but that's just perhaps a naive hope that she wouldn't disrespect herself so much to go to bat for men who would never respect her in return!
His wife spoke so eloquently & I get it. Years ago, I got wrapped up in shipping two real life people (not naming names but it was back on LiveJournal so practically prehistoric.). I honestly knew nothing of those peoples real lives, only what they presented on the show I shipped them from. When one of those people spoke up about their discomfort at how the internet was viewing them & their friendship, I immediately stopped & will not involve real people in anything I post online again. People are too quick to forget these are real people & you may think it's just you having some fun, but things online can get soooooo big. When a person in real life speaks up about not liking what's happening just respect that & stop. Attacking is so wrong.
@@brynnmacflynn Nope. Older & a reality show & that's all I'll say. I did watch Arrow, tho, & am now really curious who you think I might have shipped from there.... I liked the show & comics ok, but never found a pairing that I read or wrote fanfiction about, be it the characters or cast. Now I'm going to have to Google cast interviews to see what might have happened there. I know Barry/Oliver was a popular pairing, did people also ship Grant & Stephen?
@@missmishka8379Maybe Oliver and Felicity? There were fans of the show who were very vocal about that couple, so much so that they would create fan videos and one even became an indie author because of her fanfiction story based on the pair.
“just because someone reads a lot of books, doesn’t mean they have any reading comprehension” 💀💀 funny but TRUE. this is really gross what they’re doing to that man. it reminds me of how women will treat some male strippers and entertainers thinking that just because they’re women and they’ve been victimized by men before it gives them a pass to be extra predatory and rude to these men doing a job. HAVE SOME DECORUM LADIES, my god!!!
There's so much wrong with the way that Kierra responded. The only part I can understand is being upset that the official Seattle Krakens unfollowed you after the PR team boosted and supported your behavior and did not even make a public statement. But also, that leaves it all on Felicia, as if her "complaining" took away their "good times"🙄 1. The term come from "Break my Back" so naturally you change it to "Krack": The term "Break my Back" is still obviously sexual in nature. Urban Dictionary has it in there if you absolutely need a definition. She diminishes this by saying "oh it's just a booktok term I changed slightly", as if the original term had nothing sexual about it and wasn't used on SPICY booktok. 2. The views tell the opposite: having more views on your tiktoks vs her instagram doesn't mean that you are somehow correct in your harassments and is really gross to paint your "popularity" as an automatic win. Obviously your audience in your echo chamber is going to agree with you. 3. only a COUPLE of people are not okay with me saying "Krack my back": even if it was just "a couple" that couple is specifically the hockey player and his wife, not some rando on the internet. Also diminishing how many people find this to be gross behavior. 4. People from FB just coming onto Tiktok trying to be serious when this is just fun entertainment. It was a joke!: People have every right to call out something on a different platform when it's affecting their lives and is directly about them?? Tiktok isn't solely "entertainment" either, there are various serious communities on there. Also basically being like "Omg it was a JOKE can't you take a JOKE god" is never the win you think it is. 5. Wow she used to make a joke about her husband being a "panty dropper" and now she is dragging me over it: CONSENT CAN BE REVOKED AT ANY TIME!!!! Clearly it came off originally as "Oh that's funny people think you're so hot they're making videos haha", but obviously the situation has escalated an extreme amount to where they no longer feel comfortable with it because they are now being harassed. They have every right to change how they feel based on how people started treating them. I could go on, but literally all she had to do was say "hey I didn't mean for this to get this out of hand with my audience and though it was started as a joke, it has clearly made them uncomfortable and I would like to formally apologize and ask my audience to not harass them." like wipe your hands its done.
kierra really didn't make a single point in her videos😭😭 the correct way for her to respond would have been what you suggested but she would have had to think critically, be mature about it and not view it as a personal attack
I feel so bad for the wife, if the genders were reversed you just KNOW a man would be applauded for sticking up for his partner the way she did. And obv I feel bad for him too, we really do encourage the objectification of male celebrities and that probably makes it really hard for men to speak up when they’re made uncomfortable by fans. It’s a shitty situation all around 😔
yeah if a man defended his partner for harassment then he would be celebrated as a great husband, but since this is a woman defending her partner, she's seen as the annoying, insecure, jealous wife who can't take a joke
I felt uncomfortable from the first very video of Kierra started shouting about what she wanted him to do to her. Also, it baffles me how she can say "this wasn't me" "I'm not the one" when there is literal video evidence of her saying all these things. It's absolutely disgusting what she has done and in his place of work. I am so sorry that Alex and Felicia have had to deal with this and I honestly hope that they are okay.
I'm surprised how she welcomed the attention it got her up until people started criticizing her and then it's suddenly 'Oh I'm not the only one doing it' etc. I hate the roles reversal bs but this shit wouldn't have got this far if it was a female hockey team
My husband is a nurse and gets sexually harassed by co-workers and patients. He says it makes him feel so gross but he’s scared of saying anything because people don’t handle sexual harassment of men the same way. 😓
He really should. He might be pleasantly surprised how HR do handle it, because the law really is there for everyone, not just the first group who complained about the injustice. Maybe also see if there's a 'Dignity At Work' group available. It's usually a group of non-HR people who function as a sympathetic advice and listening service to help people who are being harrassed and they can be extremely helpful in sorting this kind of thing. Good luck.
When I first heard about this and went to see Kierras response I was genuinely shocked at the way she responded. And then to see the way she talked about Alex??? Like brooooo. I had so much second hand embarrassment watching this unfold
I get being defensive bc u had previously been encouraged by a million followers and even the kraken social media team. But when the statement is coming from the dudes own wife u gotta read the room
I liked the part where she claimed to be "chill" about it like girl.... you're several minutes into a public rant video, kinda seems the opposite of chill lol
Her being so confused as to why Felicia is “attacking” her is so funny 😂 when someone is upset at a company they go for the CEO, the face of the company. Of course they don’t go for the interns.
Those were my thoughts too. She was the biggest fish and had soooo many videos, so of course she was the prime example, even though she wasn't the only example. The wife may not have felt comfortable calling out individuals who aren't specifically content creators
"What should've been a wholesome start to this month has now been tainted because some people insist on talking about their own taints." - Gold-star pun, Cindy. 😉🌟
"It's just a joke" almost always triggers an alarm for me. I love that you brought up boundaries! We have to respect others' boundaries just as we'd like our own to be respected
The biggest drama here is that Cindy...… doesn't have a sponsor. I thought hell would freeze over before I'd ever see this happen. I'm physically shaking 🤧🤧
Another troubling thing is that consent can be given and taken. The couple said they found it funny and they accepted it at first. But as also stated it kept going and kept impending in their lives so now they revoke their consent.
This! Them finding it a bit funny and expected at first is normal. They likely have had celebrity crushes, posters on their walls and conversations about "hall passes" with friends. They likely just laughed at it because it's a clear wall between it. Very much "these people are onlookers and not part of our life". But with the escalation it became more up close which makes total sense that it would change their reaction.
Not to drag Kiera too much, but there was a lack of empathy to her response that rubbed me the wrong way. Here's the possibility of her having sexually harassed someone (even if accidental) making them uncomfortable or hurt and she doesn't seem concerned about that person or apologetic at all. I can't know for sure if she actually didn't feel that way, but she definitely didn't seem to in her first response. Hope everyone learns from this.
she def perceived it as the wife singling her out and attacking her character; i think that gave her tunnel vision from realizing the dude in question was likely very uncomfortable
The update made me laugh. Because indeed what the actual fuck. The more I learn about this the more I want the times back where people were very careful about where they thirsted over real life people and they basically kept it out of the public to not make anyone uncomfortable. At least in the fandom spaces I was in this was a very important unwritten rule.
Reminds me of the response booktokers had when gay men spoke up about women writing m/m romances in exploitative, stereotyping and harmful ways. Mostly lots of comments filled with bullying and, ironically, homophobia. Booktok tends to respond poorly to any criticism.
@@ЕкатеринаИванова-ы9я8ъI'll literally mention that i don't mind straight women writing mlm stuff and that the whole origin of like, the yaoi genre is nuanced and interesting before I make a comment saying that maybe straight women shouldn't profit off of edgy media depicting gay men as sexual predators constantly and people will accuse me of hating women authors. It's so stupid over there
@@ЕкатеринаИванова-ы9я8ъCan I just add my two cents? There is no representation of female presenting people who hate gender stereotypes in romance or fiction. I know as a female presenting person who abhors the classical female sexual and romantic role with every fibre of my being, that imagining yourself as getting to be dominant, not just sexually but romantically does not exist in f/m romance at all. Also, not every female presenting person is a straight woman. I think this debate is much more nuanced than you give it credit for. Those of us attracted to men but unable to escape being seen as women, being seen as automatically submissive have no representation at all. I am gender fluid. I present as female, but I hate traditional romance,.sex etc between men and women. We need a space as well.
@@anne-zh2kd As a female presenting person, I also dislike the "traditional" female roles that are typically depicted in romances. But, I can tell you that there are communities on the internet who like and make content that does not depend on those stereotypical roles. You just have to find those communities. It's very niche but it does exist and it's like a breath of fresh air. We don't need to be perpetuating harmful mlm media in order to find a space.
The lack of critical thinking skills that some people have is insane. It's very clear that Alex felt uncomfortable and told his wife and she took charge in a responsible and classy manner. The manager and social media team is also definitely at fault for encouraging this behaviour.
*rocks in rocking chair* See back in my day we were cringe in private. These young fangirls need to get back to their roots: anonymity and being too shy to post anywhere near the celeb in question.
@@cassualtea2040 THIS. “I am cringe but I am free” means talking about nerdy hobbies without shame, or wearing silly clothes out in public with joy and no embarrassment - not catcalling someone in person at an extremely public venue. 😭
