How can the CAA get it THIS WRONG?

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Hey everyone! As drone users, we are expected to get it right every single flight. So we should certainly expect the same of the airspace regulator who holds us to such a high account. Today, we will discuss some shocking advice provided by the CAA in an effort to ensure they are held to account in the same way all airspace users are and should be. Join Sean for the live show or catch the replay and let us know your thoughts in the comments below!
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@pdtech4524 26 дней назад

Scary thought, the CAA don't even understand their own complicated, over regulation⚠️🤔😲😳 What a surprise! 😂😅

@timlong7289 26 дней назад

As far as I am concerned, the CAA is not fit for purpose, at least as far as hobbyist drones are concerned. They have less idea than most drone pilots and they have no business regulating us.

@srjwari 25 дней назад

This is done to create confusion and mistakes, so someone at CAA or above can force stricter rules with the excuse harder guidelines are needed to avoid confusion.. This isn't an error it's a clever move.

@Feverstockphoto 26 дней назад

The general enquiries team were busy in a very important meeting sitting with their feet up eating chocolate hob-nobs and sipping jasmine tea. The employee who sent the email was the tea lady 🙃🙂👍

@NatJB 25 дней назад

I've never known a hobby that causes so much confusion, heartache and fear of prosecution. Flying with my PPL is easier than flying a remote controlled piece of plastic. When I pitch up to fly from an airfield I'm never concerned about the rules. They are clear and I know all limitations. When I occasionally decide to fly my drone it just causes anxiety. Absolutely ridiculous! I don't see the attraction anymore.

@sttrory 26 дней назад

Thank for your live advice

@nxu5107 25 дней назад

Sean no reason to not hit the “👍” button nice and early on your channel. Every video on point and no waffle. Thanks.

@nacantremember 26 дней назад

I brought the question of conflicting information from the caa to a rep from them at the Wales and west camera show but the chap didn't seem to want to say anything about it .

@mucy2807 26 дней назад

Great video Ty GV 🥰👍🏻

@philip_james 18 дней назад

How do you determine the line between a group of uninvolved people and a crowd? I was at a recent car show where someone was flying a sub 250g drone around 5 meters in the air above the cars. There were lots of people viewing the cars so is this a crowd or a group of people?

@RCShutterstock 26 дней назад

Sub 250 no flyer id required. But if it has a camera then flyer id is required? Uk

@leet3707 26 дней назад

Operator ID for camera but flyer ID not required on sub 250.

@Diverrobster 26 дней назад

Ah ok thanks. I have both anyway so no problem.

@leet3707 25 дней назад

@@Diverrobster it's a minefield.. I'm learning quickly. Just make certain you pick the right one. I have an issue with local police with accusations I've flown at 18 metres and taken it away.

@PatBoySlimuk 26 дней назад

I’ve just registered my drone in Ireland as visiting family and theses rules they’ve quoted are EU rules

@Geeksvana 26 дней назад

Yes, Ireland is an EASA member state. They have full adoption of the EU rules.

@iRetroApps 26 дней назад

The email response should have been peer reviewed. We do this everyday in my profession, me thinks that the CAA should do tbe same!!

@Geeksvana 26 дней назад

Absolutely. There should be a system to ensure against bad information.

@MikeJones-ng1lg 25 дней назад

This is 100% how it should be done. when i worked for a large medical company if we EVER sent anything external it would be looked at by a colleague before sending to ensure the content was correct. Shocking for the CAA to get this wrong.

@amoktimeflies 26 дней назад

Two live streams in two days and both days I’m having to be ‘social’ ffs 😂 great couple of streams @geeksvana 👏 👏 👏

@amoktimeflies 26 дней назад

Im peed of that I’ve had to be ‘social’ and miss your live streams btw (just in case that wasn’t clear! Lok😅)

@h-dawg969 24 дня назад

They’re ‘accidentally’ sharing their future updated addition to rules before they’ve implemented most likely.

@twrmoor 26 дней назад

We have to start "the peoples authority of civil aviation" PAOCA publish our own guides material and campaign for regulation amendments and evidence based safety regulation.

@mattkingaby 25 дней назад

I think this is why people fly legally (but also fly I legally)

@Piratepoilet 26 дней назад

I'm lucky I think? I live in New Zealand and got a DJI mini 4 pro. So far so good I haven't had any bad luck and enjoy flying it a lot it's a great little drone 🚁👍

@Shane-Phillips 26 дней назад

I saw this same post on the DronesUK group, and advised the person that the advice they got was bogus and that they were legal to fly, and got a lot of pushback from other users who assert that the CAA should always be listened to and never questioned. Sadly, the attitude of a lot of people in the drone community makes this situation a lot worse, who are insistent on obsessively policing every picture and video people take and advising people to follow bad advice. The community will only remain healthy and drone flying a viable hobby IMO if people fight their corner when given bad advice and push back. I understand that over regulation bothers people, but giving in to every request to not fly when you're legally allowed to, and listening to bad advice doesn't stop excessive regulation, it invites more.

@bugsy742 26 дней назад

FAR too many bootlickers in the drone world buddy 👍🤝

@paulgriffiths9824 26 дней назад

From my point of you, you’ve hit the nail on the head.

@frankbuckle1958 25 дней назад

I've noticed that on the same site.... I spent the last 7 years trying to get my head around the regs as they changed from doing my PFco in almost the last week it was "valid" and ever since watched the confusion and rule changes with a growing sense of disbelief. Knee jerk after Gatwick etc. At least someone coming into Drone ownership and hobby flying now (and lets face it, most will be going for a sub 250) have a steep learning curve initially, but shouldn't be having to change direction and learn new rules in the same way as I did since 2017! It is obvious to me tho that many of those posting haven't yet got their head about the rules...including some of the advice, me included!

@Shane-Phillips 25 дней назад

If you go back to the group even now, there are people more annoyed at Sean than seem to be taking issue with the terrible advice, it's a very odd community with some questionably perverse attitudes to drone regulation.

@andrewjohnston9115 26 дней назад

Shock ... someone who works for the CAA dosen't fully know the law, why is anyone surprised? We know they don't know, because they don't take drones seriously enough.

@edcbabc 26 дней назад

This is probably a consequence of the rules being over complex, structured to make browsing them difficult and rather distributed. What they should do I guess is simply to answer such questions by referring the questioner to the relevant sections in the appropriate documents, rather than trying to (incorrectly) paraphrase them. Though possibly they cannot find their way round their own documents. More pertinently, what news is there of the next set of tablets of stone following the consultation last winter?

@cloudobserver00900 25 дней назад

Once you are required to ask permission from uninvolved people that is the end of the hobby.

@PhantomandtheDrone 26 дней назад

Unless this flight was tagged as commercial.... Redbull for instance, flying Tower Bridge.

@willmcgregor7856 25 дней назад

I brought up the rotor riot thing weeks and weeks ago, I read unusual machines and red cats white paper to share holders. It’s more than them just building fpv strike drones. They are working on a USA made flight controller/ESC’s using funding from the chips act. So it might be a good thing even for us, because this China -amid that the governments have is only gonna get worse and no company in the UK is going to making flight controllers. Trying to get fpv parts just now is a nightmare. Especially at reasonable cost, imagine what it’s going to be like with more regulations. It’s 150 pound for an iflight f7 stack just now, IF can find them.

@colinj6511 26 дней назад

Drone scene is also an app

@Hotwire_RCTrix 25 дней назад

it's sad that toys so hyper regulated. Stay away from people and aircraft is all that's required. If your toy weighs less than 1Kg (that's 2 pounds of butter, not really dangerous).

@lindsayheyes925 25 дней назад

This is incredibly incompetent from the CAA. If this is how they advise the Police, this advice could result in wrongful arrest and criminal prosecution of a pilot. It's just appalling. Does the authority itself not have a decision-tree or flowchart for answering questions? OMG. I have no more words.

@colinj6511 26 дней назад

Hi sean

@smithbrownjones 26 дней назад

Cant make it up.....oh wait..... 🤔😆

@gmivisualsjason3729 25 дней назад

Nice to see the CAA getting a verbal spanked bottom from Sean.

@Garry-oi7cg 26 дней назад

Hello both of you Do you not find incompetence in people of authority really infuriating. Whatever the rules are we drone flyers should be given the correct information. Sean, people making mistakes is not really a good excuse under these circumstances. Does no one check their advice?

@leet3707 26 дней назад

I MUST defend the CAA on this during recent phone contact. I've recently emailed you regarding an irrational and unreasonable neighbour claiming harassment who himself flies model aircraft but doesn't like Drone flying 'trash'. From the first day of flight, he's made it clear he doesn't want a drone flying by 1) making false allegations of flying a Section 16 Aircraft over residential areas 2) flying without CAA Authorisation 3) invading privacy (camera not even on) 4) endangering an Air Ambulance taking off at 400 metres away and finally 5) now accused of harassment by flying behind our 8 foot fences as he lives 3 doors down. At what point is "alarm and distress" as defamatory WhatsApp messages were being posted even hovering in our garden. I spoke to the CAA at 8:30am the morning after the Drone was seized after the police officer made a big issue of flying less than 18m and part the reason they took it. Listened to his sob story and taken Drone. The response I got on the phone WAS 100% accurate in telling me a sub 250 was unrestricted in distance to buildings and uninvolved others. It's a mistake by an individual and although not good, a defence in court would win. The lady I spoke to was extremely sympathetic and helpful and they offered to send a letter for future use. They even suggested they would have intervened if I'd known the police were coming but cannot now get involved. This week I had team leader of Lancashire police Drone unit call round over events that happened for an informal meeting. Give them some slack as I have no complaints over the help I received from the CAA.

@richardswinson4381 26 дней назад

Sub 250. What about uk privacy laws and GDPR. How close can you fly to buildings with windows. Can you fly over built up areas shopping centres etc

@Geeksvana 26 дней назад

Privacy and GDPR factor in far less than you might expect. Certainly, a drone should not be flown to look in windows. The main time it would be an issue, when flying in public, is if the flight is for commercial reasons.

@LWM_modelling 26 дней назад

sounds like the reply came from a general dogsbody with google instead of being passed to the relevant department, not acceptable when it comes to important regulation that are governed by law

@MarkBowenPiano 18 дней назад

Yes they got it wrong but I don't see how this advice is harmful like you say? If people stay further away then that's safer all round. Yes it might not be the correct advice but definitely I don't see it as harmful? I so emailed them about flying over bridges and filming as there was a quite large thread online and nobody seemed to know the answer. I got back a nicely detailed email as to why even with a sub 250g drone they didn't think you should do so and it was what I had thought would be their answer. They said that as the bridge in question has vehicles crossing it then the vehicles and thus the occupants of the vehicles would very possibly be seen as a 'crowd' because of the reason that nobody in the vehicles (other than the driver) would be able to get out of the way of the drone should it come falling down in front of the vehicle. I think that is very sound advice as vehicles and occupants should definitely be viewed as a crowd. If your drone (sub 250g) were to come down in front of a vehicle you've got to think what might happen as it could easily make the driver swerve and cause a very nasty accident. For that reason I believe they are totally right with the email they sent out to me. Also if you were to ask the CAA for confirmation on an issue due to something perhaps not being 100% clear and then you follow that information and get into trouble then you would definitely have excellent evidence to provide in court. It's definitely up to every drone pilot to ensure they know and follow the rules but if you've specifically asked the one governing body that makes those rules then I'm pretty certain you'd absolutely be covered in law. Unfortunately weight is not always the best marker for types as speed is a definite factor too. A sub 250g drone flying at maximum of 20mph will do a whole less damage than one flying at say 60mph if it were to come into contact with an aircraft say. It's not at all easy to just blanket it and say all sub 250g drones are safe as there are some that go at crazy speeds and would do a massive amount of damage if they were to crash into an aircraft as low a possibility as that is.

@Geeksvana 18 дней назад

We didn't state there was any danger in the advice. In fact, we said the opposite several times. However, a national regulator should get it right every time. What would have happened if a police officer called to confirm the regulations during a call dealing with a drone complaint, (this does happen). Then the drone pilot would face potential prosecution. That is just one scenario. In any case, the regulator should have the processes in place to prevent this. The CAA agree with this and we have a follow up coming explaining the changes they have now made. Your example also shows an example of incompetent advice. Someone in a moving vehicle is not someone unable to move out of the way under the regs or legislation. In fact, we have interviews on this channel with CAA policy lead confirming that you can fly over cars with sUAS as the person is protected. The danger is if we allow incompetent advice to be the norm, we end up giving away the rightd we have to operate safely. Keep in mind that drones is the safest form of aviation by a long shot.

@MarkBowenPiano 18 дней назад

@@Geeksvana Sorry I wrote my comment while watching the video and it was at the point you'd said the advice was harmful which is why I wrote what I said. I see you changed that later when someone mentioned that it was safer advice.

@MarkBowenPiano 18 дней назад

@@Geeksvana Passengers can't move out of the way though? Only the driver would be able to take any avoiding action and that action could put passengers at risk which is why I believe they said what they said. I'll say this though the CAA usually get things right however I'm a fully qualified PPL(h) and I've seen them get things wrong on much larger issues in the past. Mistakes unfortunately do get made and I agree with you that if you were to press the issue and formally state you think the information they're giving is incorrect and you'd like someone higher up to take a look then indeed they should do that.

@Geeksvana 18 дней назад

@MarkBowenPiano if you watch the A2 CofC interview with the CAA from last year it is all explained there. Essentially, if you are flying a small drone, it is unlikely that it would be able to even penetrate the windscreen, let alone cause any harm. This is why lighter drones are allowed closer to people. Keep in mind that much heavier drones are routinely flown over traffic every day across the UK, with drone pilots flying under operational authorisation. There is always a debate about what should and shouldn't be included, but the legislation at the moment allows flight over cars in the open category. Therefore, Article 241 issues aside, the CAA should be advising people correctly.

@MarkBowenPiano 18 дней назад

@@Geeksvana I'm afraid I'd have to disagree with what can happen with sub 250g drones hitting an aircraft as I've seen exactly what even a small bird can do to the screen and rotors of a helicopter. I totally admit that this is was a one off that I have witnessed but that much weight can still do a lot of damage at speed. I agree that at the height we're all flying at (or at least should be anyway) then that possibility should be down to an absolute minimum anyway.

@aanubis5874 25 дней назад

Just as worrying is the fact that authority figures will lock on to the wrong information provided by this post and take it as gospel. I wonder how many of us will have this thrown in our faces if the situation arises as often does when dealing with the lack of knowledge from the authorities. Several times I've tried to educate them and finally decided to pack up my gear and move on just because of the effort it takes trying not to argue with an idiot. Stupid posts like this will only ever empower the KAREN's we encounter. #DisapoiintingCAA 🤔😪