How Corlys Velaryon Became the Sea Snake (Game of Thrones) 

its kinda a symbolic though of the fall of house Velaryon by the time he died.

That's actually similar to Humayun in the beginning of Mughal dynasty

So how does turquoise so faction loyalty 🤔

Why would they be bothered to keep the canon when they are race swapping and gender bending the crap out of this SJW disaster

I think they will, at least from what I glimpsed as the banners in the house of dragons trailer

They are??

@@anthonywarren9885 Because those are their house colours??? It’s like differentiating between red team and blue team.

Are you referring to Elissa Farman? I have no idea who the character you're describing is, but I know that Elissa was the one who did all that. Edit: nevermind that was a alias she used.

Who is Alys Westhill? That's Elissa Farman

@@allanaalberto9730 Alys Westhill's was Elissa Farman's pseudonym. She couldn't go by her real name after stealing the dragon eggs from Rhaena Targaryen.

It’s only weird if you forget Dumb and dumber are hacks

I think they're significantly less powerful by got. And the current lord is a little boy. Tbh I think It’s just a necessary decision to cut a lot of smaller houses. The showrunners barely managed a coherent story with the main houses after all

@Harris Fu Do not cite the lore to me, Witch. I was there when it was written.

@@maliceinwonderland00 lmaooooo. It's a reference. Gtfo

@@roryedward2631 that reference is Golden

I can't wait for them to cast Dalton Greyjoy. That should be exciting.

Yeah me too it hurts my eyes but I have learned to tolerate it with great difficulty because Steve Toussaint ( talented as he maybe) just sticks out like a sore thumb

​@@strongsuccessfulweeb1400 still havent watched it because of this casting. Race is super important to hollywood and god forbird they let the works of tolkien (and martin) be as the authors intended it.

@@AH13371 aside from the clear race swapping of House Velaryon its a good show. Try to watch it

@@strongsuccessfulweeb1400 I don't think its a lore change. I hated it and for the longest time refused to watch the show because of it, but honestly it was needed. Hear me out, there is no way the average viewer would be able to differentiate who is who especially with all the time skips. There is so many people, so fast, that we only get to see for so little. Even now I had a little bit of trouble but if they weren't black boy it'd be hard... If its a straight lore change BS like there actually being black Valyrians or somehow they interbred with summer islanders or something me and my large group of ASOIAF supporters are done.

@@Jose-gc3xt i hear you. They could however use family crests in their outfits , a sea horse, in this case to differentiate the Targaryens and Velaryons. But i guess they are too lazy for that.

Alyn and Adam Velaryon are pretty bad ass and the characters I anticipate the most in House of the Dragon.

@@dominiqueodom3099 Yeah - Adam being a dragonrider and Alyn being a sea captain

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Trying not to be a dick here, but I don't think Martin will live that long. I'm seriously questioning if we are going to see "A Dream of Spring" at all, with his incredible weight and age It's a miracle that the guy is still standing.

Don't feel too bad, we're likely never getting the other books you listed either.

Fictional history which is probably just as true as a lot of history

@@peteravellaneda9499 wtf not even close 😂

@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 It really is. I'd put money alot real history is kind of made up.

@@cpowell4227 well do some research and you will see for yourself that a lot of history is in fact not made up

@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 Alot of History is definitely made up. History is written by the Victors. That's actuality the brutal truth. Things may have happened. But details are not always true . The details is what I am saying are made up.

Lord Monford Velaryon died in the battle of the blackwater after supporting stannis, Monford is succeeded by his six-year-old son, Monterys and house velarion stayed loyal to stannis after the defeat at blackwater

@@juwebles4352 But they're not mentioned in the show.

@@juwebles4352 I think he meant more the fall of valyria

@@p0tanscimm Oh, we don't really know but I imagine they were just a family without the ability to control dragons that instead of be forever servile to the dragon lord families fled to Westeros before the doom, and then ended up under another dragon lord family lol

Apparently a show called "The Sea Snake" is in early development by HBO

There is one actually in development by HBO

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but they CANT keep to the history because of his race. they should have made this actor a different character. NOBODY cares about "poc's" being in GoT, theres many and more in the books, but you cant have Valyrians, described as "pale skinned, with silvery-gold hair, and purple eyes" portrayed by dark skinned actors, particularly when the plotline involves accusations of infidelity and parentage in that bloodline.

@@MyUserTubeAccount You have some good points. But that’s the world we live in now. All I’m saying is hopefully they can keep to his backstory as close as possible. Maybe with some creative writing. Lol

@@ciscoduncan1490 well thanks for the reasonable response, thats increasingly rare nowadays! as far as creative writing, since D&D arent involved, really it can only be better 😂

I like it too.

It's funny that the Velaryons say they have mingled with the Targaryens for centuries only to have black skin

@@giuliettadeglispiriti7365 their genes are stronger, black dont crack.

@@MrYounis26 So why are the sons of Rhaenys and Corlys mulattoes? In the original work the only black people live on the Summer Isles, the black Velaryons was just an ingenious marketing choice.

@@giuliettadeglispiriti7365 mulatos this mulatos that, dont care its a fictional world.

only Melisandre is alive both in HOTD and GOT

Aemon might be in it as well but rather close to the very end as a newborn

It could make sense. The Summer Islands would be of no interest to most Westerosi nobles, but their renowned shipbuilders and sailors would have been of interest to House Velaryon. Corlys's mother is also never named in the books nor is it mentioned where she's from. Corlys's father marrying a noblewoman from the Summer Isles could be worked in without much contradiction

Yeah why did they cast a black dude, getting sick of this forced diversity

@@MegaNikos44 yeah, diversity this, diversity that but also noone is pointig out how Rhaenyra isn't basically a landwhale

The issue is they're forcing the black casting as woke points for this generation. It's ridiculous, very much how in the witcher Netflix series they did the same with multiple characters, resident evil Jill valentine is now black also. It is out of hand and TBH my biggest problem with it personally is it doesn't follow the source material whatsoever, he isn't black in the books so don't do it for the show plain and simple

@@restitvtor6398 funnily enough, it is stated Rhaynera put on more weight in her later years due to a mix of her eating habits and her multiple pregnancies.

@@samuelwolch1302 ikr. She was already really fat at the beginning of the dance, and I don't want the showrunners to make her into some perfect little saviour characters with no flaws, inside and out. I want her to be an accurate depiction of the book character, basically proto-Cersei that is

They planned to make all white but looking at the actors they thought fucking hell they're too many white sliver heads running around. I can see why they changed it. You don't want confuse the casual viewers. They might as well added the Witcher in there.

@@Abdi-libaax I get what you're saying but that just makes it sound like they think the average viewers are idiots. If they think we're stupid, should we watch their drivel?

Exactly. But even if the show itself is decent: It will always end in season 8 and female dragon Hitler.

Aye and their hair quality too

Your theory doesn't make sense for their world. Its a fantasy world and genes dont work the same way they do in ours. Also being part black doesn't mean someone will look the part. I have a friend who is a quarter black and it doesnt show, at all. Also the concept of being part anything doesnt matter in their world. The family name is more important. This is most obviously displayed by joffrey, who is referred to as a baratheon even though he clearly looks nothing like one. In our world this matter, as in slave times even being part black means you were still seen as subhuman, and in their world the concept doesnt apply and your skin color doesnt have much at all to do with your treatment, your family name, high or low birth, and wealth do. Your applying thinking from our own world just because you visually see black people in a show that has flying dragons, manticores, magic, and other things that should be much stranger than just a persons skin. No one is getting canceled for fucks sake.

@@chillazaraka no ,ur theory is trash

@@chillazaraka my theory has nothing to do with their treatment in universe, I’m simply displaying the consequences of the decision and the effects it has on the characters.

@@cbuck0 why not?

@@ItachiUchiha-ut6xj the pirate Saan in the books is white, but was black on GOT

@@everythingdivine I know

@@ItachiUchiha-ut6xj so roll with it. You never know, u may like it

The targaryens were a manor dragonlord family but they were strong they were part of the 40 ruiling familys in valyria (dragonlords) house valerion wasn't

Just because someone has dark skin doesn't automatically mean they will have big noses and thick lips. Sub Saharan Africans are distinct from North Africans who are more Caucasian in appearance. It's only racist Western leftists who claim all dark skinned people are the same, so we see their uneducated ideas and ignorance in their play screens, while acting smug with righteousness.

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People like you need to stop stealing oxygen.

In the dunk and egg novels they do state that while in dorn then prince Aegon V did tan similar to the dornish. Honestly I'm not a big fan of the casting but he is a great actor and he looks absolutely amazing in costume. Even in the novels during the time of the main series cersei lannister has a member of his house as a lover only because he looks like prince rhaegar targaryen, so it's not just once through the books they are described the same as the targaryens it's pretty consistent that this is what they look like. Even house celtigar is described the same and they are in the storm land and seafaring like house velaryon.

nop that would be too lore friendly.

No sir, he's just black BC it's 2021

@@heir2n018 he probably is half summer islander or any of the other countries/islands who live further south am I the only one who actually finds this more interesting then if he was white it adds a great twist and give the plot more expansion

Right? He just outed himself

his mom probably and there isn’t even a physical description of Corlys provided

@@andymancan_ He is Valyrian. All Valyrians are literally described as having purple eyes, white hair and fair skin. Period. I don’t care about the whole “the velaryons were never described” bullshit. It’s more than obvious that they were supposed to be white. It’s not surprising that they made them black with todays society in America feeling the need to black wash most chacater in many different movies and shows.

@@incomments2864 I don’t blame them at all for the casting. Obviously it’s illogical and breaks the immersion of the show and just goes against the lore but he still looks like a cool character and I’m sure the actor has the acting skills to pull it all off. I don’t think it’s been done for entirely political reasons though it’s just good economics. There’s many black people in America and the UK and the world and for some reason black people are just more likely to watch and enjoy shows where blacks people are being represented. Fantasy has long been quite a stereotypically white genre in its fan base and it’s casting and they’re just trying to tap into a new audience and make even more money. Honestly it’s brilliant as they’ve created so much controversy and discussion they’ve got a lot of people talking about the show and advertising it while cementing a good in with the black viewership.

In Comments- When you say "black wash most characters" you must mean add a rare person of color amongst many white people on the show. Why is that a problem. The whole rest of the show is still white people.

@@incomments2864 you’re okay with flying dragon and magic but draw the line when some one has darker skin😂😂😂 ducking coward

So far it’s been trash

Nahhhh nah dude what are you smoking ??

Agreed; I thought he did great I nexplaining both sides of the argument and even dipped into book descriptions; very in depth

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actually its a good idea to them bonding with sea dragons

Probably causes its based of feudal europe...

You shouldn’t decide whether you like a character over the colour of their skin. Literally being racist. Diversity is not needed.

No there isn't a point the setting is in a western themed medieval land not a African one or close to one so there is no point

I heard this over and over and also for the Witcher and for Vikings: Valhalla. But I will say this guy who says “white writers aren’t aware of lack of black actors getting a fair shot”. I hope it’s not a shot at Martin who’s just writing HIS story. If he means the writers or show runners then I get it. I actually don’t mind the change who cares. Just make the story the same and give the character their due diligence

That example is different context. No one is saying a story can’t have one type of skin color, but this isn’t a true story, it’s fantasy, not to mention there sailors, so if you can’t imagine a white sailor smashing a black chick or brown chick you have no business reading or watching fantasy. Not to mention they do this all the time when making book to movies, also George, the actual creator of these stories has a contract with HBO to work on this project so if he don’t care no one should. And if you do you should check deep down why it bothers you..

​@@thegamerboneless2864 First of all, if you know anything about how George Martin is you'd know that his creative decisions are frequently being ignored and is slowly being pushed out of his own work, so if the studio could just make an executive decision and tell him to screw off, the ending of GOT is a great example. George is just happy that he's getting money, but he's too old to care if they butcher his material any more. There's also the elephant in the room that making specifically Corlys black makes less sense than almost anyone else, cause there's a sub plot that Corlys might be the father of some of Rhaenyra's children, but if he's black then it would be pretty freakin obvious if he was involved in their conception wouldn't it. Also, and this is just reality talking here, he's the kind of black that is from a super sunny region like Africa, with no mixing of his genetics whatsoever. If a Velaryon hooked up with a random black chick, (and I don't think that would even be allowed considering how big the Valyrians are about genetics) then he would be heavily mixed, unless all of the Velaryons all changed their race at the same moment. Also if there were black people on that corner of Westeros then the genetic mix up of that region would look at least a bit different considering that the Velaryons are said to have mixed with other noble families aside from the Targaryens. And on top of that, if that were all somehow true then the makeup of the Targaryens of the current story like Dany and Jon would look quite different wouldn't they, as in not as white as snow. And lastly, I will politely say screw you for trying to paint some sort of internalized racism to my points when you clearly don't have any. I do not take the excuse of "lol its a fantasy so whatever" seriously, especially in a story that use to care about having an extremely consistent world. Do not make excuses for bad writing.

@@zachpulido5972 ok that’s extremely long, which is ok, I just didn’t have time to totally read, I would say that GOT ran out of source material and also George was long gone from GOT I think after the first or second season. As far as the rules they had about genetic mixing I would say this there sailors and rules are meant to be broken, also I’m mixed black, Irish and German, me and my older sister look Spanish, my little brother and sister are twins and she’s blonde hair green eyes, couldn’t tell she has any black in her. My cousin is mixed as well, his father is light skinned green eyes, his mom is Irish, and he is dark with green eyes, so the color of your skin can come out differently when having mixed family, him being dark don’t mean his kids would be dark. I also go back to it’s fantasy it’s not that serious, we’re people act like it’s the end of the world. I also read that George is highly protective of his work, and I doubt he would say he is ok with it if he wasn’t, just like he wasn’t happy with the GOT ending. I didn’t say or imply you are racist, I think that word is being thrown around way to much just cause folks disagree. But I do think people should take a look at why this bothers them, since all of it is a made up story, there not changing facts of a true historical event. I’ll read your reply again see if I missed anything, and give reply if I did later.

@@zachpulido5972 well its there u can watch it or not noone really cares tbh

@@thegamerboneless2864 *sigh* ok. So basically all you have to say is “if I write the story for the writer, anything is possible.” You and moon on dp are doing nothing but making excuses. I have no idea why you responded without even bothering to read my comment, that’s just bizarre, doesn’t sound very intuitive. Why would you make a reference to your modern day, racially mixed family when we are talking about Westeros, a nation that is much like medieval Britain where there was not a lot of racial mixing simply due to the fact that there were basically no other races there. And as if the Valerians family was so racially mixed that their kids could come out as any color of the rainbow when all the other families that live in that area, the families that the Valyrions breed with, are all the same race. Also, race is not just in skin color, it is in facial features and height, you want me to believe that none of those traits would have made it into Dany and John? Heck if you look at racially mixed families, even just one ancestor that is a different race to the rest will change their facial structure for the next several generations, and the Targyrians have been breeding with the Valyrions for generations. No the Valerians would not be cool with their family hooking up with some random person from the other side of the world, cause one, the Valerian culture is supportive of selective breeding so they would have to be very careful who they let in, two the other families of Westeros likely are pretty racist as well so why would they be open to marry their kin to someone who is basically an alien to them. Also I love when people give a bunch of reasons why they think something makes sense, then end it with “it’s just a fictional story so who cares, why do you care so much aren’t you wasting your time?” So it’s either something you care about and you are trying to defend the decision, or it’s not important and you’re waiting your own time by your own definition. If your going to make an argument for something, don’t then immediately say that making arguments is meaning less and that you don’t care.

"Normally described as having pale skin, purple eyes, and silver-gold hair"

@@LiveFreeHitYou reminds me of when J.K.Rowling had Hermione be black even though the book calls her pale

“UHM ACTUALLY RAGNAR’S SKIN WAS NEVER MENTIONED SO HE COULD BE A BANTU”

Daenaera Velaryon wife of Aegon III is described as having skin "white as winter snow". So if you use a little bit of brain cells it's almost certain that Corlys, Baela, Rhaena, Laenor and Laena are pasty white people.

FACTS

The show is going to be riddled with woke politics. It's going to tank harder than GOT season 8.

@@intermilan9731 triggered lol

@@ianvera4299 Only two genders exist.

@@intermilan9731 Corlys is black

GRRM is involved with this and this was his decision too lol. Of course they write the rules, that doesn't mean they'll change everything

@@nikdik154 2 words: J.K. Rowling. Just because the author was involved as a "consultant" & was being made a mouthpiece to endorse the producer's changes doesn't make the thing automatically canon. Remember how much flak Rowling got when she tried retconning shit in HP? Remember the backlash from Cursed Child? Rowling was supposedly a writer on the 2nd Fantastic Beasts movie & the fanbase basically burned her for the internal consistencies she tried to retcon in the lore she herself was the author of.

@@cyberhikikomori5326 Except George actually stated he was fine with him being black and actually regretted not having more black inclusion in the books, which I agree on. I don't think him being black is a deal breaker especially if it draws more people in.

@the reason he said it 3 years ago before corlys was confirmed to be black in the show.

“Blackwashing” 🤣 well served you people right for white people playing non white characters or even wearing blk face just to keep “certain people” out of the spot light. You’ll be ok. We’ve been dealing your peoples crap for centuries. Now it’s time you deal with ours.

The Velaryons wouldnt marry a summer islander, they mainly married the Targaryans.

so much bs to justify forced diversity

@@sausagejockyGaming The Velaryon's and Targaryen's married whomever they pleased. A few of them married Dornishmen, Maegor the Cruel had a foreign wife, Aegon The Younger had a wife from Essos, Daemon Targaryen had a Summer islander looking lover, one of King Jaeherys daughters had bastards from foreign me. As far as the Velaryon's go, we don't know enough about them to assume they only marry Targayen's. They are sailers meaning the likely spend more time away from Westeros.

@@thegreatpage5912 Incorrect in a way, one of the staples of the Valyrian Empire was its staunch bigotry and supremacist ideology. No aristocratic Valyrian would of married a Summer Islander, Rhoynar, Ghiscari, etc because it would of been political suicide for multiple reasons. a few Targaryens have married Dornishmen in part because the Martells are a powerful family that has the means of defying the Targaryen rule of Dorne. Marriage is the only reasons Dorne is in the Seven Kingdoms.

@@Holy_Discourses What you say is true, they are purist. But keep in mind House Velaryon left for Westeros before even the Targaryens did there must have been a reason why. In the show lore, perhaps they committed political suicide as you mentioned by breeding with Summer Islanders. The Summer Isles is located right below Valyria so it can't be much of a stretch to believe so.

Yeah just like JK Rowling had imagined Hermione to be black and a gay Dumbledore. GRRM has admitted himself that he's based Targaryens are Tolkien's elves

Me too

They were cut from the show.

They're backing Stannis but they're not all too relevant.

Because black lives Matter or whatever the hell it is

@@rizkymubaroq3025 Ooof triggered

@@ianvera4299 i dont know man your the one whose been commenting on this video for literal weeks coping. Hope Tyrone lets you play on your switch tonight 👍

@@GlizzyGoblin757 Yet you can not even show me in the canon where it describes Corlys physical appearance or parentage. Ill wait....

It didn't give him a physical appearance . Plus Martin even said he considered making black on paper

You aren't thinking that hard then.

I’m still confused as to why they couldn’t just give them all purple eyes. It’s kind of a big thing.

@@ildlyn8966 or it’s not that big of an issue unless you’re a whole dweeb, and that comes from a man who has read all of the books set in the asoiaf universe. You better set aside that nerd rage for when they try some shit like the last season of got lmaooo

Corlys big black snake thats kinda funny i like it.

In real life, the prevalence of people born with white hair by population is highest among people of African descent, particularly in Sub-Saharan Africa. So in the real world, it would be more logical if the dragon riders were primarily dark skinned to begin with. Either way, the books don't really mention skin color so the only reason why people complain about Coryls Velaryon being Black is because of racism, plain and simple. Unfortunately for bigots, they don't get to decide who plays these roles, let them cry and be helpless to do anything about it because the show will go on regardless of their racism.

Reposting the same irrational, ignorant and in many ways racist comment of yours does nothing to prove any point whatsoever

Martin had that idea while shitting on a toilet but he didnt go with it. They made them white, pale, with silver hair. Stop crying and trying to dig, they are no black and never were

yes, cuz martin didnt write them as he ''originally intendet'' obviously, they just change shit just to change it. its the same as what d&d did and look where that ended

@@whocares1839 if Martin wanted them to be black then leave it y’all so sensitive about it

“Wanted” He wrote in the book they are pale skinned with silver hair

@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 I have no clue of that but he did state that he wanted the velaryons to be black

Because the Valyrians look and identity is central to who and what they are. These diversity hires are ridiculous.

Yeah I don’t really mind when it’s not actually historical, though I can see people’s frustrations I just think it’s not real so it doesn’t make a difference, especially when many of the viewers are going to be people who haven’t read the books anyway

@@josegilvano356 Hahah

@@josegilvano356 calm down it’s not that serious. And you’re 100% WRONG. Only Westeros is European inspired. Everything else is inspired by Middle East, Africa, Asia, etc. And besides IT’S NOT EVEN REAL.

@@josegilvano356 your trying to tell me that Dorn is based on Europe. Or that the clearly at least partially Mongol based Dothraki are actually some European group? Or even that the dragon riders are actually European even though compared to our world they would be from like South Africa to like coastal China since they come from farther east than most groups we see? The world of Westeros should likely be significantly more diverse with how many people come and go across the narrow sea and marry for powerful alliances and access to magical advantages, and really the Valaryans and Targaryaens should likely be extremely tan, if not black from their constant exposure to extreme heat, be that drahons or the sun at sea, just like the majority of people in Africa and the Middle East, and even the hotter parts of mainland Asia or the European countries along the Mediterranean like Spain and Italy.

Since HBO threw more money at Martin so he can afford them cheeseburgers.

Would it also be fine if ever there is a prequel to cast Aegon I as a brown skinned 5'3 Pacific Islander simply because the show is "just based" on the book?

You will watch. Corlys still looks amazing.