How DEADLY are the U.S. Marine Raiders (MARSOC)? 

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Me! Lol 😂

Can you please do a video on CBP MARINE INTERDICTION AGENTS!!!! THAT IS ONE BAD ASS JOB AND CAREER THAT DOESNT GET ENOUGH CREDIT OR PRAISE.

They're not that deadly. Iraqi freedom fighters and Taliban laugh at them in their flip flops. Just like Green Beret's can't even put together a competent fighting force.

I have a question about the marine raiders. Will they be going after high value targets like the navy seals and army rangers do?

This will happen when we get Space Marines.

Or better,the Galactic Marines

40,000 years to early my guy

yea by that time we will refighting aliens

While You Yourself, Kananisha , are making jokes on the Space Force, U. S. Department of the Air Force, be advised that, on 13 November 2023AD, USAFA and MIT Graduate, Active Duty Space Force and Prior Service Air Force Officer, Captain Daniel Reynolds, USSF, Who earned Army Airborne, Air Assault and Sapper Tab, was the 1st Guardian to earn The RANGER Short Tab. Kananisha, do NOT be surprised that, in Your Own Lifetime, You may see the implementation of SPACESOC ( Space Force Special Operations Command) , with Commando Guardians doing Special Reconnaissance, Cyber Warfare , Direct Action and CounterTerrorism.

I miss those days.

I was doing a PFT at Pendleton for pre deployment training. I was an MP K9 handler. I remember a recon unit was doing a pft with sappy plates in and every one of the marines was under 18 minutes

@@ramsaybolton7464 That's fucking ridiculous

@@SuitOne lmao yea man my lowest time was 21 minutes and that was corporals course and the best shape of my life. Always a 20 pull up guy though.

@@ramsaybolton7464 I'm Air Force comm. I coasted through my initial training and held my cardio just past the bare minimum of 15 minutes for a mile and a half. After my deployment out in the shit supporting Green Berets I got some hair on my chest and started giving more of a shit. I'm still not anything close to the average 0311, but I am finally below a 30 minute 3 mile and care more about my fitness. Seeing those guys do half that time with SAPI is just insane to me.

Me too 🫡

Don't do it the marines are gay

​@@davidlee3254 Same here 👍

Same brotha🫡🪖

Same

Raiders were in ww2 force was in late 50s early 60s what are you saying?? What ever you just said flip it. Because the raiders were in ww2 making the japanse fear if executing them for fear of some divine intervention

@@USAAMERICAFUCKYEAH77 No, the raider battlaions were absolved during ww2 and the raiders were merged with regular marine battalions. So what happened is they resurrected the old name; but he is right the first Marsoc came from Force Recon.

​@@USAAMERICAFUCKYEAH77tons of Marsoc dudes who stood up the unit were literally grandfathered in from Recon marines. The first Marine Raiders were dissolved after wwii.

@@USAAMERICAFUCKYEAH77 I know how the history goes, which is why I said what I said. Yes you are correct. however, I never mentioned the term Raider, you did that. Raiders of yesteryear and of today are the same/similar and yet different. I know for a fact as a Marine that MARSOC came out of Force Recon. I am a Marine who was in the Corps when MARSOC was being planned and the first MARSOC operators came from two Force Recon companies and was born at Camp LeJeune. Understand, Raiders from WWII and MARSOC share the same name, but have/had entirely different missions and historical backgrounds.

They were originally but now they couldn’t be more different

Alright ok I can see that, the Eagle does look like it’s working that dagger like a pole.

Former 0311 here. Thank you for the compliment. To add to it, I'd personally take Army infantry over a Marine POG any day. I know that's apples and orange crayons though.

I’d rather have civilians. They aren’t as gullible.

@@QEsposito510aren’t as capable either but go on bro😂

​@@Dead_Again1313 id second that.

​@@QEsposito510 hahaj you'll be the first casualty when one of them accidentlally shoots you😂

CCT's are bad asses too.

Good Luck going after CCT. I worked with quite a few. I was USAF TACP and Pararescue( PJ)

@@dwaynefisher4333 In other words you’re a legitimate badass

I don't know about that we were all so tough in our 20s and 30s. I even went to Ranger School winter time in 1984. #46 in AF History. I was really proud of that went in 185lbs came out 155lbs and also went to a lot of Army SF & Infantry Schools back then. PJS went to Scuba and HALO via Army SF. Back in the 80s. The first day for the Selection Team PT Test about 80 guys showed up. We graduated 4 .into the pipeline. CCT is such a great career field if you make it which I think you will do the 20 years/ I did 11 years wish I would have done just 9 more and got the full benefit package. Besides Spec Ops guys make pretty good $$ today. and re enlist money is damn good unlike my era Good Luck and Merry Christmas! @@MadMax31577

@@dwaynefisher4333 Thanks for the nice comment! TACP and PJ must have been an incredible experience!

They're nothing like SF. SF primarily teaches as they aren't commandos but rather build commandos. SEALs are a form of Commando but with significantly more training than MARSOC members. SEALs also have a completely different mission set. MARSOC still struggles to find their mission set as every capability they have is already better served by another elite unit either outside of or within the Marines. How could I possibly know any of this? I was with MARSOC in 2009 Herat, AFG, when they didn't leave the wire for over a month, so I left to continue supporting the Army ODA teams or trident teams elsewhere. I'm not trying to mock or make fun of MARSOC. I am being honest and pointing out that they have almost no reason to exist and have disbanded and reactivated numerous times due to a lack of purpose.

@@InitialFailure '09 is pretty out of date intel brother, and was still in their formative years. They obviously have found their mission set, and it is very similar to SF. Like the video says, USMC only has one SOCOM unit, so they aren't as niche as other branches SOCOM units. Thus they covery a wide birth of capabilities. Foreign internal defense, training, and unconventional warefare being their prime fields puts them right inline with Army SF. Though being Marines, they obviously have amphibious capability mixed in. Thanks for your service.

@usmcvet0313 Army SF or ARSOF are primarily trainers/teachers. I mean, no disrespect. However, people get this wrong quite a bit; Army Special Forces (The Green Berets) are first and foremost combat advisors. They themselves are not commandos, but rather they make commandos. The closest Army unit that does what you're referring to as a primary (but broadly speaking set of) mission is the Rangers who are not SF but rather are Special Operations. Rangers can do amphibious operations as well, but that's moot as we all know the largest amphibious assault by the U.S. military didn't require Marines anyways (see operation overlord), and amphibious operations weren't used at all during GWOT. Maybe it's my outside view that is the differing issue, but even speaking with Marines (the para legal, some team guys, the Gunny I was attached to) at Herat, the overall consensus was that MARSOC would die out for a lack of purpose. All of the MARSOC fellas I stayed in contact with left MARSOC to enter civilian life or joined other branches SOCOM or SF units. What specific mission can they do that SEALs, Rangers (as well as specialized units/elements within Ranger), Marine infantry (as well as some of the specialized units within conventional Marine Infantry units) can't?

@@InitialFailure SF mission set per the Army website: COUNTERINSURGENCY Prevent dangerous incidents abroad by responding to terrorist activities and training other nations' militaries. UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE Enable a resistance movement or insurgency to coerce, disrupt, or overthrow a government or occupying power by operating through or with an underground force in a denied area. DIRECT ACTION Seize, capture, recover, or destroy enemy material, or recover personnel with quick strikes. FOREIGN INTERNAL DEFENSE Train and equip foreign allied military forces to defend against insurgency, subversion, terrorism, and other security threats. SPECIAL RECONAISSANCE Conduct surveillance in hostile, denied, or diplomatically or politically sensitive environments, to collect or verify information of strategic significance. SECURITY FORCE ASSISTANCE Train and develop the defense capabilities of friendly and developing nations. Marine Raiders mission set per the MARSOC website: 01 Direct Action We conduct short strikes and small-scale offensive actions to seize, destroy, capture, recover, or inflict damage in hostile or denied areas. 02 Special Reconnaissance We acquire information about the capabilities, intentions, and activities of an enemy not normally found in conventional forces. 03 Counterterrorism We prevent, deter, and respond to terrorism. 04 Foreign Internal Defense We provide training and other assistance to foreign governments and their militaries to enable them to provide for their own national security. 05 Security Force Assistance We support the security forces of allied foreign governments to achieve operational objectives the U.S. shares. 06 Counterinsurgency In concert with allied governments, we conduct military, paramilitary, political, economic, psychological, and civic action operations to defeat insurgent strongholds. 07 Support to Combating Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) We provide expertise, materiel, and teams to support combatant commanders locating, tagging, and tracking WMD. 08 Support to Unconventional Warfare We support resistance movement or insurgency which may support conventional military operations. Their capabilities and mission sets are inline with one another.

@@InitialFailure They are the Marine Corps SOCOM component. They are forward deployed on MEUs around the world, ready to immeadiatly respond in the area. They are a SOCOM unit that can seamlessly integrate with a MAGTAF. They're not going anywhere, if anything the Marine Corps will expand their numbers. The reason you don't see career Raider operators is because the Marine Corps designed it that way. The Corps was hesitant to field a SOCOM unit in the first place, because they don't want Marines to be outside the Marine Corps chain of command. Now they rotate Marines in & out of MARSOC for 2 reasons: 1) they want the Raiders to take the lessons/training they learn back to the regular units, 2) They want Raiders to be Marines first, SOCOM operators second. SEALs can associate themselves with SOCOM more than they do with the Navy, the same can go with other SOCOM units as well. The Marine Corps does not want this.

Easy to forget the raiders were disbanded for a very long time. Force Recon filled this need just fine for many decades.

The good ole days before Force Recon got castrated and became just recon.

@@namenotfound8747 agreed, when I went into recon, Force, Battalion Recon was just accepting anyone that could pass recon indoctrination program. It almost just looked like an infantry unit with jump wings. I left an 05, so hopefully it’s better.

Thank you. I always try to explain this to people. It’s funny though that the reason you don’t hear about these guys is because of all these units they are the only ones to keep their mouths shut. I was just an 0311 and never part of Recon or anything even close but for some reason it irritates the crap outta me when people act like the Raiders are something new.

@@namenotfound8747 "just recon", as if you could make the cut...

Huge problems.

Tier 2: ODST Tier 1: Spartan

Tier1 group that supports other tier1 groups.

probably the teams didn’t think he was a good fit for them which sucks to go through the pipeline just to be told hey we won’t think you’d fit in have a nice one

Sometimes people that like being in charge, like a SGT… might not be best fit for a special OPS team. Physically might be good but sometimes it’s hard to work together if all they know is running a team.

Not was ! He IS !!

I’m a retired marine too

@@danharkins5673 thank you for your service

wow can i shake your hand?

There are a ton of stuff about MARSOC Raiders out there since GWOT. Most noticeably is when the Raiders getting kicked out of Afghanistan wrongfully because they were accused of killing civilians in 2007.

People don’t realize how detrimental this was to a newly formed organization. MARSOC had to lay low for a while.

I told you not to bother me while I'm in my woobie

Hung out with a lot of 1/9 guys back in the day. 3/1 India wpns plt. 1/9 was across from us.

USSF Captain Daniel Reynolds is on his way to doing just that. He completed both U.S. Army Ranger & Sapper Leader courses!

There will never be a need for "space marines" or any kind of infantry-based force in space.

Thanks!

@@ZRFXTRT I don’t understand what u mean by not the same playing field. If you’d like to explain go ahead haha

They don’t go on more “intense” missions because of gear. They go on particular operations because MARSOC gets their mission from SOCOM, not the Marine Divisions. Capabilities are similar, but the training and utilization opportunities in MARSOC are much wider than the Recon Battalions.

Don't forget, Marine recon can be a mos without training on the field

One belongs to the MEF and supports Marine Corps missions. One belongs to SOCOM and supports SOCOM missions

From guys in these teams themselves, they say reacon is along the lines of seal training and marsoc is along the SF route .

No, MARSOCs usually aren't doing Foreign Internal Defense

​@adida7485 what do they do these days?

Won’t happen in terms of Org under 1 branch. But this was mostly achieved in Vietnam with SOG teams, before each branch had specific resources they specialized in. Now many have the resources under their umbrella, but this won’t happen as the mission and task are broad accross the globe and need masters at their respective specialties

They are absolutely not going to restructure to one unit. More likely scenario is some teams will go away and down sizing will happen. SOF as a whole is massively inflated due to GWOT and has expanded about 300% and budget has increased nearly 800% since GWOT. I can see SEALS and MARSOC both dropping down to about 1500 total in each unit. Rangers drop down to about 2,800. What a lot people down know is DEVGRU is about the same size as normal Seal community. I can see their numbers being reduced by half. They were almost disbanded before 9-11. Delta I can see being reduced by half as well. METL will change again and teams will get a more dialed in mission set again. Just like the old days when budget was tight.

Agree. The LRS was pretty much in almost all ways the Army's version of Marine Corps Force Recons. Too bad they were disbanded in 2017/2018.

You dont think force reduction will ever happen? lol Well thanks for sharing @@blackout_ghost

Common sense proves you wrong. The hell you talking about? "Force reduction" read it slowly and or google the words to understand their meaning. @@blackout_ghost

Im in the same boat as you, more interested in Recon tho

@@possiblegames2953 cool! Do you know what ur current mos is? I'm gonna go rifleman for the larger part of my first hitch.

@@bencochran2975 I wanted to do Infantry, then my recruiter talked me out of it. Then it was going to be military police. Then he called me and said he had a spot for aircrew, and I could potentially work as a helicopter machine gunner. It seems cool to fly around, so I think Im going to stay with it for my first enlistment .

@@possiblegames2953 Nice!

@possiblegames2953 we have a guy in my team rn who's got mp on his. My recruiter tried to talk me into doing coms lol.

Essentially yes

@@hibco3000 Yes, that is true

You're welcome! To answer your question, only CSO's who make it onto a dive team typically go to Marine Combatant Dive School. Not every CSO goes to dive school!

@@GeneralDischarge gotcha… for a long time I assumed most CSO’s were former Force Recon guys.. now all of those guys do attend jump and dive school it’s in their mission training plan. Again, I was under the assumption nearly all CSO’s are former Recondos.

@@offspringfan1288 initially they all were

@@slamdancer1720 just glorified military instructors lol

@@offspringfan1288 Today, All Marine Recon must go through everything Force and MARSOC go through in schools. TRUE

What is there to compare? The UK British royal Marines are maybe compared to a e-4 us marine

​@@usacycling5949us Marines aren't the same as the UK Royal Marnies

Who won all the wars on the front line in all of the world wars, yes, US Marines, Army, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard. The brits were there too!

Marine corps sigint is pretty dope check i5 out

You should try the Navy

Practice

I was in 69 back in 69.

What do you want to know about it?

Variation of skill sets and missions. While they all operate under SOCOM, some redundancy is good because you’re allowed to utilize a variety of different units.

Every S.O. unit has skill sets the other units don't. That's why it's like a marching band, one can play drums super well because he played it way more than the others. The others can play their instrument as well but not as great

Honestly, it's because of service politics and bureacracy. It's the same reason why there are redundant federal agencies in the US government and nearly every one of them has their own SWAT team. If it were strictly due to military need, the only units in SOCOM would be USASOC units, e.g. 75th Ranger Regiment, Special Forces, Delta Force, and NSW units like the Navy SEALs actually sticking to their bread and butter (naval/amphibious SOF) instead of overreaching and doing what the Rangers and Delta do. Basically what they were doing pre 9/11. The reason the Navy SEALs have become the well known 'sexy' unit is no small part thanks to the Navy Dept investing a ton into PR because they've been great for Navy recruitment. Most SEAL wannabes wash out of BUD/S and can be sent to fill other roles that the Navy has a harder time filling. And politicking in SOCOM itself (nope, it's not a coincidence that the SEALs/DEVGRU got the Bin Laden mission). There is no need whatsoever for MARSOC or AFSOC. They do nothing that USASOC and NSW shouldn't be handling. There is also no need for DEVGRU or whatever they call themselves now when Delta exists. That was the whole point in creating Delta Force. To be the American version of the British SAS. If there's a greater manpower need, it makes more sense to expand these units (activate another Ranger battalion, SF Group, or whatever - then deactivate them when that manpower is no longer needed) and open recruitment to the entire US military. Allow Marines to attend RASP or SFAS or BUD/S, etc.

19th and 20th sf groups are national guard.

The male standard is the same. They compensated for women.

Delta so highly classified that if you’re caught (which is really not often probable) the United States will deny all ties with you and or Delta (I’m assuming they MAY still have your ass saved) and Delta is U.S. Motherlovin Army owned, ODD team baddest mfkers on the planet no denying that

EXCEPT FOR RED CELL!! Idk if anyone on here is reading this or if yall do read this if yall have ever heard of Red Cell? But if not I’ll explain, they took this Captain and his team from a badass Seal Team and made them a high classified team that did shit that NO OTHER SPECIAL OPS team was ever assigned, they were so good they mastered psychological warfare and dressed up like terrorists and counter terrorism OTHER terrorists to make it look like it was someone else then those two peoples would go to war THEN they were so good doing practice runs to make their selves better they took down Air Force One and actually took the President and did it so badass that it embarrassed them so bad that they disbanded them and most of them or at least the Captain now resides in prison

From what I understand Force Recon Marines and Marine Raiders are nearly identical in skill and ability, the difference is just who they answer to. Force Recon answers to the MAGTF while Raiders answer to USSOCOM, all that really means is Raiders will handle legit military special operations in support of the US military/government, meanwhile Force Recon pretty much do the same just specifically for the MAGTF Commander. FORECON will answer to the specific MAGTF General and Raiders will answer to the regional SOCOM Commander.

Na recon Marines is not as hard as you think to get, as long as a azvap score is good you would be offered marine recon

Marines don’t have elites, they ARE elite. Force Recon are the eyes and ears of the MAGTF commander. If they have to fight, somebody screwed up.

They're both pretty much on par. In order to be a Force Recon, 1 must have served for some time in a regular company in Recon Battalions first, before being chosen to serve in a Force Recon company (also within the Recon Battalions). Force Recons answer to the Marine Corps directly, while Marine Raiders answer to SOCOM. Though Force Recons are not under SOCOM, they're still highly capable in many aspects; in fact they can do almost all of Navy SEAL missions such as direct action, maritime interdiction, VBSS, amphibious recon, hydrographic recon, special recon, maritime raid, vessel sabotage, harbor sabotage, underwater demolition. Force Recons used to be capable of unconventional warfare as well if not mistaken, but ever since Marine Raiders were created, this mission set along with few others, the Force Recons ceded them and instead they refocused back on intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) missions. ISR has always been the primary mission of Force Recons, to gather intelligence for the MAGTF (basically be their eyes and ears) very deep behind enemy lines.

@@usacycling5949 "offered marine recon" ?? Dude, you still have to make it through the training pipeline...

Yea and infantry have to go through boot camp then school of infantry

@igoham141 called OSUT one station unit training. It's all the school of infantry. 14 weeks of it. All other MOS except tankers go through boot camp Co Ed and then AIT. Infantryman do 14 weeks of infantry school in one go and then to ur unit. Unless ur Airborne or Ranger. Th3n u go to Airborne school. Then RASP then Ranger school

No

Dude, just have the stones to enlist active duty. No half-steppers allowed.

The Marine Corps will never do this. As with officers, they will always require active duty time prior to joining the reserves.

There’s WAY more opportunities in the Army

Go army infantry and get that big fat bonus that the Marines don't even offer. It was up to $50,000 last I heard. You can go to ranger school or maybe sfas or your a good enough soldier. That's what id do. If and when you make it to spec ops then it really won't matter what branch your in you'll be doing pretty much the same shit as the next team.

@@T_81535 love the tip man

The Army makes up the lion share of US Special Operations. If for some reason you are not selected, the Army will place you in an infantry unit. Unfortunately, if you join anu other branch and don't get selected then you are needs of the branch means they will put you were ever they need bodies. You could a cook or admin or motorpool or any noncombat related job.

US Army. 11x Option 40 contract aka Ranger contract. Don't even consider anything else. The 75th Ranger Regiment is the best light infantry unit in the US military and it's part of SOCOM. It's the most deployable unit and has the best opportunities. The 75th is what every good infantryman wishes his unit was. Or be a dumbass and sign a USMC infantry contract and spend the next 4+ years of your life regretting it because 'peacetime' Marine Corps does jack shit and their garrison life and internal politics is literally suicide fuel. Worse than any of the other branches. There is a reason the Corps has the lowest re-enlistment rate in the US military.

DRESS BLUES & TENNIS SHOES ????? WHY DOES THE ARMY FREQUENTLY CHANGE THEIR VARIOUS UNIFORM DESIGNS ??? ( KICKBACKS FOR SOME UPPER TIER BRASS ???? )

Not really, MARSOCs rarely do FID

@@adida7485 Something must have changed then because thats all they were doing for a while.

​@@adida7485whats FID