GREEN BERETS VS. MARINE RAIDERS (MARSOC) 

Cia protective agent (grs) vs diplomatic security service

General Discharge do a Marine Corps IOC video

Please make a video about Correctional Officer too!

@@junwanpark5951 Check out Officer401

@@jimmymartino5433 he never made a video on correctional officers

Are you going to go SF

@@jonathanwatson4859 Ive always enjoyed the small unit cohesion that came with a regular line platoon. Leaving the military and trying to find the same sense of cohesion and purpose has been difficult. Once I finish moving I’ll see what my options are. Family comes first.

@@LtActionCam maybe law enforcement would be your bag so you could be in swat (FBI CIA etc.

@@jonathanwatson4859 there are some options in the federal law enforcement that are appealing such as the USMS. I don’t think they make you sign a potential to relocate clause either unlike the FBI. If the USMS has a relocation clause then that would be a no go for my family.

@@LtActionCam yeah I would say just check out the domestic agencies playlist they have and see which one fits you

lmao

@@OscarNovember1776 hell yeah

Rad for sure 🤙

@@OscarNovember1776 Raiders get out of the Corps to go to SF since MARSOC isn't getting good deployments. Reconsider.

@@OscarNovember1776 they 100% retired cause they were already in and are too old to go through the Q course, the other 2 are active and new, give it a few anf watch switch branches.

@@Joe-ok8ql it’s not about that.

Or GRS vs GB?

Yall forgot about the DEA

@@TheWeekendShooter308 they already did one on DEA

@@elchuzalongo4339 *I'm new here*

@@TheWeekendShooter308 oh, understandable, welcome. Here's the link to the vid btw ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xFsIA34TNNg.html

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Exactly

Most of the Soldiers in the SFAB are actually decent physical fit Soldiers. They tend to come from who didn't make it to selections which happens, its not the end of the world. Some of them are like 2 or 3 selection tries.

There are some facts in the first part of your statement, but it wasn't just one/ some SF dude/s that ran that pipeline. It was a collaboration between multiple SOCOM units both active and retired. There was more of force reconnaissance influence from the USMC as far as standards, with an addition of "you need language, culture, and anything else that makes a special operator".

that makes no sense as the raiders were around during ww2 and the berets weren’t formed untill after ww2 sooo

@@gaberesendez6492 Raiders were disbanded during WW2 and only recently came back with MARSOC’s adoption of it because they wanted to bring back that tradition, if you will.

True story. They need to be reminded. Also the Marine Raiders have been more of a hassle to leadership than successful. Check their history after ww2. Controversy in Afghanistan and then green on blue shooting issues in Iraq. Nothing good came from the new Raiders. Also they were on the brink of being disbanded.

Yea but now that socom hired a “diversity and inclusion” director, we are fucked. They will lower standards for women and poc just so they can serve too. This country is starting to bend itself over and fuck itself in its ass

@@tbhfm2691 The thing with that is we already know men of all ethnicities can perform at the level required to get into these units, it's just a matter of what resources we have available to us which is something that Remi Adeleke brought up when he talked about black men becoming SEALs. The main issue would be a push to *force* women into these units when the Rand corporation already published a study saying that all-male infantry platoons perform better than mixed-gender platoons

So basically MARSOC are unconventional SEALs?

@@bshiesty_9917 I liked your comment not because of your comment but for your name

@@bshiesty_9917 The SEALs and Raider Regiment are both components of SOCOM. They both conduct Special Operations.

MARSOC and Green Berets damn sure still know how to swim, especially MARSOC. Maybe not on SEAL diving level, but water competence is required nonetheless

Lol, imagine thinking marsoc will ever be better

⁠​⁠@@Horatio_TicklebottomI imagine every Raider could blow through the SEAL pipeline with ease.

@@Imrepenting PFFFT, why? Cuz they're Marines? Enough with the cult thinking. SEALs and SF have decades of experience and proven training. Not to mention MARSOC was modeled after SF. Marines are not fucking Terminators. Shit, they aren't even tougher than Army soldiers, they're literally the same, except for a couple of extra weeks at boot camp that Marines get, majority of which is spent teaching them to be anal hard asses 🤣

This is a good point. I hear a lot of 18X candidates don't actually get selected at SFAS, since they're relatively new in the military and haven't had much time to grow and mature. The seasoned dudes with experience typically do much better (surprise, a lot end up being prior Marines lol)

Yhh true but when it comes to the time to choose one, I wouldn't hesitate to go for USMC

I feel like it's the difference between a hammer and a scalpel. Because MARSOC makes it so expiernced marines can join they seem more geered for action so their the hammer. Where as Berets while not always necessarily expiernced in combat seem to take time to focus on the more specific faucets of unconventional warfare and foreign internal defense such as languages and culture. Their fore their the scalpel. Both can do the others purpose well but the seem to almost make up for where the other is slightly lacking. That said I see the reason why both would be necessary in a FID situation. To both hit the enemy hard and strengthen the regime in place. At least that's what I gathered from the video. Obviously don't take my word as being that of an expert.

@@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 I agree

@@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 not even close, most if not all that attend the Q course are former infantryman, they are just able to multi task and due more than 1 thing at once. They are neither a hammer or a scalpel, they are the toolbox!

@@ayikaiokine7059 Anyone can enlist, takes only a selected few to pass selection before training begins.

IIRC, the GB’s are bringing back their DA team

no

Yes

Lol, not even close. SF are better than Raiders at anything not involving water. Definitely better at DA

@@JD-dm1uj Sorry bro, just facts. Not to mention 75th Ranger Regiment is better than both at DA

Marine Raiders started in World War II years before Army Green Berets aka Special Forces started in 1950's.

Marine Raiders are the first U.S. Special forces unit.

OSS and FSSF was the modern SF in WWII. It’s ridiculous and juvenile to have a dick measuring contest about shit you’ll never be a part of…

The Marine Raider where the First Ever US SF unit and they are better in Combat but the Green Berets are way better at Foreign Internal Defense

@@MaceOfSpades5 Your bias shines through as brightly as Betelgeuse. The marines NEVER had "special forces", so you can dx that bull$hit. From what I'M reading, they (raiders) lasted LESS than two years, because of dissension within the corps. Either way, whenever special forces is mentioned, EVERYONE knows it's the US ARMY. Very few people, other than marines, have ever even HEARD of raiders. But, you guys are desperately trying to remedy that. Okay, fine. But throwing shade at the green berets makes you look like a bitter, and jilted schoolgirl Then, you throw jabs like "raiders were the first special forces....They're better at combat." waaah. STFU. Special OPERATIONS are NOT special FORCES. Jesus....Is there no end to you guys' disdain for your brothers in arms? Members of the same fkn team? F**k, you guys are silly!

Thanks for the versus suggestions!

@@GeneralDischarge Do Air Force Red Horse!!! Nobody gives a shit about California highway patrol

Devgru?

@@XneEyedKing I’d love to see more on 1SFOD-D (CAG/Delta Force) but tbh nobody can get enough info for a good video all we truly know is some old ops they were involved in and that they are called CAG now

MARSOC Raider training is somewhat similar to Army SF in a number of ways. The basic pipeline for Raiders borrowed from Army Special Forces. Only minor differences are the swimming requirements.

Edna Mode had it right: NO CAPES

Why are they heroes?

Why are they heroes?

Why are they heroes?

JTAC is a certification and CCT is special operations while TACP isn’t. Pretty simple

Honestly

as have i

like the legend says, seals kill terrorists, green berets conquer countries, or something like that haha

Totally agree.

Just do it

At 38 you'll need a waiver, which as a major I'm sure you'll get. As for MFF, all 18 series mos are free fall trained. Good luck.

I don't know how physically fit you are, but, I went to SFAS at 30 and again at 31 only to leave the first time with a bad upper respiratory infection and the second time with eight torn muscles across my right scapula. Right where they insert and where the ruck sack presses against the back part of your shoulder and had also worn down the meniscus in both knees. The first time I left because of the illness, I was put in the Airborne in and was stuck there for three days because Ft Bragg was snowed in and the airport was canceling flights...I was still so sick that I was given a week of no duty and was confined to my barracks room with the CQ runner responsible for retrieving all my meals for me. I had my little brother go to the commissary and pick me up a case of Campbell's chicken noodle soup and four boxes of saltine crackers and two gallons of oj and a case of sprite. I slept for four more days and only woke up to go to the bathroom and take the medicine the PA prescribed. The second time I was sent to the Brigade sick call to see the Brigade surgeon who was a DO sports medicine doctor, was given a two week profile with no PT and a return consultation where I was allowed to begin rehab on my knees, my shoulder had returned to light use. My PSG told me, "you are too old for that shit, it's going to break you". Not saying that it's not possible. Just saying it's not easy.

Why was he discouraging it?

They done that before

@I M ahh yes i was a 0811 in 1/11 Camp Pendleton alpha battery I’m out now but I’ve been talking to a recruiter about rangers or speical forces cause army imo seems like better quality... But i was told i might have to do artillery in the army for a year then change. My packet is waiting to get accepted

@I M 18X, not 18B

Stop lying POG ass foo

Definitely should do a video on SOT-A

Some more info would definitely be awesome.

@@zuluaga94 check out Buck Roger’s channel, he’s former SF and I’m pretty sure he has a video on National Guard SF

@@jimmymartino5433 just checked him out. I appreciate it.

They did. Special Forces Reserve Component exists now only in the National Guard. 19th 20th Special Forces Groups are those units. 19th is mostly West Coast and Mid West. 20th is mostly on the East Coast and the South. There were Army Reserve SF Groups( 11th and 12th Groups) up until the late 1980s. They are gone now. Yes like most Guard Units they do have AGR people but no you do not have to be AGR and most of them are traditional drilling Reservists. There drills are obviously longer than normal often beginning on Thursday night and running through Sunday night and there is lots of opportunities for both manditory and lots of voluntary deployment. Some guys come there already qualified from AD and plenty walk in from the civilian world right off the street with 0 experience. They have Rep 63 program similar to 18X on active side. For those in that program they spend a significant ammount of time on Active Duty getting trained then they revert to being a traditional reservist it can be up to 2 years. but Rep 63s usually go through everything all at once Infantry OSUT, followed by SOPC program followed by SFAS followed by Airborne School the the Q Course..The Warrior Leader Course is integrated into the QCourse. Prior Service soldiers usually spend about 6 months in a training Det called Det 1. When the pre selection Cadre say your ready you go to SFAS. 19th and 20th are actually the single largest( in manpower) components of USSOCOM.

Kind of redundant to do seeing as MARSOC pulled a lot of the Recon guys to stand up the MRB.

In actuality, there isn't much difference. They both train just as hard and deploy just as much.

@@terencebanyahudah5691 True dat. However Natl Guard SF bring a lot of civilian acquired skills to their teams.

Not true, the SEAL medics, as with the PJ's, do the short course, not the full 18D Course.

Not a good idea to go that way unless you really want to or you have no other options. They generally work 8-10 months a year and can vary on pay

Plus if you plan on getting married or are married already, it'll put some strain on your relationship and also your family as well. The PMC gig is mostly a single man's game

Contracting is pretty much dead now save for like 2 contracts. Garda came in and low bid tf out of everything and now going rate is like 45k for static. As for "cool" contracting its basically babysitting and being a taxi for diplomats or doing relatively the same thing in special projects for spookier people. For department of state and special projects its a year long contract with a 3 month rotation. 3 on 1 off. For static in afghan its a year long contract and usually, depending on your company, you have to take your 30 days off all at once. There are other static contracts in other countries that have more flexible vacation time. My last contract I could take vacation whenever I wanted as long as we had enough dudes to cover the absence. Nothing really cool happens in contracting anymore. Not since like 2007. Its not even really worth talking about.

Im pretty sure the contracting side of it is interested cause you can be placed in where in the world

@@eddiejr1000 I mean, not really. you apply for contracts. You really arent going anywhere besides AFG, KWI, Iraq, or some GCC if you are an SME for an advisory role. Or god have mercy on your soul if you take the Kosovo contract for 35k a year. Yes once in a blue moon a contract for like 5 guys to go to Ukraine or something happens. Its really not a sexy job at all. You're literally a security guard. Even blackwater was just running security for people, just in a "cool" way. I think people think that contractors are mercenaries, which they arent.

Raider Regiment is most similar to the ODA.

Not really, while on paper they are the same in real life marsoc is doing basic patrols and RANGER batts are hunting down HVT's!

@@friedchickenandwatermelon8307 Not really but ok

That's awesome. But Army Rangers don't conduct missions like foreign internal defense, counter-insurgency, VBSS and other maritime operations. I would say the only missions the 2 units have in common are direct action and special reconnaissance.

@@dallasyap3064 wrong, Primary tasks include: direct action, national and international emergency crisis response, airfield seizure, airborne & air assault operations, special reconnaissance, intelligence & counter intelligence, combat search and rescue, personnel recovery & hostage rescue, joint special operations, and counter terrorism, then there are secondary task. Vice versa for raiders, they don't conduct many of a regiments task either. Stay blessed!

They’re funded by SOCOM...

It's never been an Achilies heal because they have prided themselves on doing more with less and its made them on average comparison man to man far more capable. I grew up in a Marine Corps family my dad and his brother were Marines in the Vietnam Era my uncle retired a Warrant Officer in the Corps. I however served in the Army for 15 years including with Special Forces( not a tabbed Green Beret but many of my best friends are) and LRS. I served with guys who came over to the Army from the Corps because including Recon. One big reason people leave the Corps is the career opportunities and advancement are by far much more difficult simply because it's a vastly smaller service with yes much less money and less room. Marines however can come to the Army and generally be a Rockstar. One big reason MARSOC which has really been sought for many years now was finally created was specifically because of funding. They are part of USSOCOM so their budget does not come from the Marine Corps or at least most of it doesn't so no funding is not an issue they get the same great gear everyone else in SOCOM gets except it's made specificly for their unique needs.

Socom funds them. Force recon and the recon community on the other hand get funded by the corp

@@gspothitta9079 MARSOC is not Recon or Force Recon and MARSOC is also funded by SOCOM they also have UW and FID as a mission they just don't have as much time and expertise in that mission built up as they only began in 2006. I served in SF I'm biased to them so you get no arguement from me on that Just saying that MARSOC does not have budget issues and if you want to discuss the conventional Marine Corps of which Recon and Force Recon are a part thats much less of an issue since the war and as the trends for how things in the world is changing the Marine Corps and Navy are going to be a much more in need that the Army so their budget is likely to go up not down and they have gotten rid of allot of unnecessary stuff to better use what they have budget wise. If you wondering what I mean we are in the middle of a poulation shift at the moment. There are tree megatrends shaping the future Population growth in several developing and or underdeveloped countries that are already very large in population. Bangladesh, India which is on a path to overtake China in population only its a very different population but I will get to that in a second. The next Megatrend is Urbanization meaning populations in many of the world's megacities( cities over 10 million) are exploding and to make it worse in addition to birthrate people are moving from rural environments to these urban mega cities and its vast sprawling super slums that are not prepared to receive them. As I mentioned earlier this is occurring in India, Bangladesh, Central America and South America and both coasts of Africa wich brings me to another Megatrend Littoralization which means the tendency for populations to cluster around coastlines. It also has a more military meaning. It's basicly the area on shore that can be hit by sea based weapon systems and vice versa to include surface, subsurface and cyberspace. Much of this is from leading c Counterinsurgency Experts such as Australian David Kilcullen who served on General Petreus's staff in Afghanistan and is backed up by DATA at both UN and NATO. These type of Urban Settlement present lots of problems for one with Climate Change and rising tides that are already occurring flooding and sanitation will be major issues. These areas are largely ignored by city services and all these things are recipes that will incite conflict. Even if that conflict does not manifest organic those seeking it from outside can use these environments to great effect. The Mubai Attack is a perfect example. It was not heavily talked about in the news media but that was an amphibious attack from the water. They hijacked a boat used the shipping traffic to mask their approach then when they got close enough rode the rest of the way in rubber inflatable Zodiacs. The came ashore in one of these slums where no one payed attention to them or bothered them thinking they were smugglers. They had a command and control node in Pakistan that directed them by listening to all the media and constantly feeding them tips on how they could create more media attention by causing more carnage. The media was actually careless enough to tell the bad guys where people were hiding though not intentionally, just carelessly. Afghanistan ultimately was a conflict because we chose to go there and make it such the conflicts in the future that develop organicly will in all likelihood develop in these places I am discussing and weather it's these places or China or both it will be the Navy and The Marines that are sent to fight it.

@@joshualittle877 Ik the difference I’m telling the other dude marsoc gets its money from socom and the recon community gets it from the corp. I know what I’m talking about

Or you can just Google it.

Bad habits are hard to break the longer you've been in, fresher dudes with some experience are much easier to train properly.

The Army doesn't allow anyone over E-6 to join SF either

Good luck!

They're way to different to be compared

@@elchuzalongo4339 idk man I want to see something with ISA tho

@@elchuzalongo4339 I want to see more tier 1 smu’s but they are secret so yk not much is known

@@toasterbath3438 go Read the Book "Relentless Strike" by Sean Naylor. Alot of good info on ISA and JSOC.

If you want the full history of the ISA, or at least the only book solely dedicated to that Unit, then read The Killer Elite - by Micheal Smith Btw, I have no clue why you would want a comparison between the ISA and the 24th STS? The ISA is basically JSOCs modified version of the CIA SAD and some flavors of the NSA in one.

they are like more experienced Seal

As did I. Didn't expect them to be a Marine version of SF.

Not what this channel is about

@@jimmymartino5433 it would still be cool to get a bit more history about spec ops units.