How did the Loyalist Chapters React to Primaris Marines? | Warhammer 40k Lore 

They are really taking piss with these copyright claims now its a joke, keep smashing these videos out bro

I think it would be a good idea to make a video of the reaction of the marines to their primarchs

Being a Lamenter is like being a Kriegsmen You have very low chances of survival Very low Very very low

Major kill, make a video on how the high lords of terra and the ecclesiachy reacted to guilliman's return, and how guilliman reacted to the state of the emperium?

Have you considered a Ko-fi account by the way? So that the people who can't afford recurring payments but want to chuck you a couple of quid can?

poor yellow Bois…

Wouldn't be surprised if their Primaris reinforcements suffered a warp drive malfunction and fucking mutated into oblivion, forcing the Custodes to destroy everything.

Nah, they just don't get any Primaris due to administrative error (aka the Inquisition secretly cancelling the order because they don't trust a cursed founding chapter with those).

Now the Primaris Lamenters suffer like their brothers. MOOD KINDRED!

@@RecoveringLoLAddict or the Inquisition decided to send the Minotaurs again

I mean that's unfair and silly to compare veterans to greenhorns. Not a bad story mind you.

@@cegesh1459 completely agree. This moment is only really noteworthy, because it highlights that Primaris marines are not always inherently superior. I, and I suspect many others, loved seeing the value of experience and training over pure superior physical specs. I generally really like both the new and old Dark angels and the Tau in the story. The Monat Supreme kinda rules!

It makes sense, Imagine you're frozen in stasis for millennia, get sent to your new battle brothers, and then boom! Freaky demon fuckery like you've never seen.

@@bonefetcherbrimley7740 they had fought Khorne demons on terra with Guilleman, but nobody had explained Thenzich demons to them, so they didn't know what they were fighting.

@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen you mean tzeentch daemons?

I read this in tts vulcans voice.... My god I can never see the salamanders the same way again

Hug them all

I know the Salamanders aren't actually as cuddly as the community makes them out to be but god damn I love it anyways. "Oooh, okay, Primaris Brotha, you will now undergo dis trial of Nocturian Fire! It is definetly not a ploy to get you occupied while we prepare a welcome party for you'

@@trakdog2919 VULKAN LIVES!

@@TheWarmachine375 *STOMP STOMP*

YeY

And the best part, they no longer have to pretend to the Inquisition they only have 1000 active Marines at a time. Inquisitor: Hey! Why are you crussading with a 10 000 Astartes strong force? Helbrecht: Oh! Those are just the new Primaris Space Marines the son of the God Emperor gave us. Inquisitor: All of them? Helbrecht: Yeeaaaah.

The Black Templar would have taken them all and sacrificed them to the Emperor.

@@DivineRight454 Black Templars are indeed sons of Dorn

@@TheWarmachine375 Dorn would be proud

Wow thats actually kind of cute in an odd way, because they had almost none beforehand.

Sadly those sent to the Black Vipers never returned.

Yo what up oz

Yo wait Oz follows warhammer???? I love your channel

FRIEND!

It would fit their limited lore well. They prize cold logic over emotional pride and prejudice. Also their disturbingly close relationship with the Cult Mechanicus helped seal the deal given they were a creation of Cawl's.

And the fact that malkan feirros wanted to upgrade themselves biological than technological

So my assumption was 100% spot on, nice

The IH codex is out?

@@seadav0183 The Codex supplements that came out for all the First Founding loyalist legions

Cawl: hey Guilliman, why are half my brand new primaris missing

Bloody Magpies!

@@bloodangel19 Guilliman: i don't ultra fucking know half of my ultra fucking thing gone

the cuckstodes dont wear their armor because it was "recovered" by blood ravens

Blood Ravens are going to steal the Lion from the Rock.

*kills the man from 999 blocks away*

Hahaha:D

now this is accreat

He's talking mad shit for someone breathing or vaguely in line of sight..let alone within that sorta distance...

Black Templars: Disagrees Also Black Templars: kills the Custodes

yeah Crimson Fists for a few years of the Lamenters treatment by GW. Like hey you got a cool orbital defense setup that is wrecking the Ork rokks flying at Rynn........would be a shame if one of those missiles malfunctioned and blew up all your stuff

I read in a Space Marines Codex that the Crimson Fists were happy to accept the Primaris because some of them had actually met their Primarch before going into stasis.

@@maskedriderweaver4122 well Crimson Fists are the superior sons of Dorn so it makes sense, also they were incredibly depleted and were not going to turn away fresh troops

It also helps their Chapter Master seems to be one of the most level-headed ones among the whole Imperium.

Crimson Fists also typically deploy in Kill Team sized strike forces of 5-20 marines so it allowed them to field test and blood the Primaris alongside veteran first born and allow them to prove themselves to their brothers.

So basically, he told them to take the Primaris or get killed personally by the golden boys.

@@claudiu-mihaipuiu1221 Pretty much, I know I would be convinced.

@@claudiu-mihaipuiu1221 "agree with us or we're gonna curb stomp your skull straight into the planet's core" -custodes diplomacy

Understandable have a nice day

Accept this gift or i wear you like a shoe

Funny thing is. even their color scheme is "borrowed" from Blood Angels

@@Baell1 ? You try too much

What are you talking about they stole every single one of gilman's primaries

*Custodes meet up with Blood Raven with Primaris marines* "Greetings, we brought forth gifts from the Emper....." "What is this??" *The Blood Ravens that showed up were already Primaris marines*

@@Humster hahaha this was funny XD

Yeah, he felt his role was to guide the Flesh Tearers chapter "to it's inevitable, bloody end in glory." It was when he saw that the Primaris marines were no less susceptible to the Black Rage, that he really accepted them. "The curse within their gene-seed lay deeper than any knew. Doom was only postponed."

Isn’t Red Thirst and Black Rage occurred after Sanguinius was killed by Horus, at least the latter? Red thirst has been an issue, but Black Rage occurred after Sanguinius died and his gene seed was cursed as a result.

@@Taintedmini yeah but only because the flesh tearers losses were Always Higher than their recrutment capabilities. Im Just Happy that my chapter lives on to RIP an tear :)

@@powerist209 yes but everyone thought that the primaris Marines are immune to those 2 things. But luckily they are not and the blood angels (and chapters from their gene seed) keep their charakter!

i wish the test of the primarus marines was a race

@@88thdeathkoregrenadier68 in my white scars battallion: it is.

Primaris #2: If you're not first... you're last.

@@bnh1978 ah I assume his name is rickus bobbus

Random Primaris: no I like meth

The traitor legions weirdly still respect the emperor or at least what the emperor was.

I believe that was shroud of night.

@@command_unit7792 yeah but gw is also still on the fence wether the alpha bois are full traitor or not.

Says the most confusing chapter of space marines For all we know they either really believe this or are just jealous I would say only them knows the truth but honestly at this point I feel like even they are confused about themselves

@@command_unit7792 Lol Grand daddy issues.

Ultramarines in grey armour...that is an apt description

Continuing with the Wolves, Ragnar Blackmane later crossed the Rubicon and became a Primaris himself after his near-fatal fight with Ghazgkull. His ascension probably helped eased concerns among the Wolves’ Firstborn veterans about the transition and acceptance of their Primaris brethren.

@@shaoyukhoo7267 Then the new novel comes out and Grimnar has to be a drama queen about the new Primaris just to prove he won't back down from Big Bobbie G. Personally I hated seeing Guilliman choose to kneel and beg, I would have much rather seen him slap Grimnar into acceptance like his father did with his brother Russ. Kneeling to Grimnar just seems like something that would slowly eat all Grimnar's respect for Robbie G and cause trouble further down the line.

​​@@psychedashellconsidering how tall g man is it probably looked more like a grown up trying to speak to a child then any show of respect

@@JammesJack-td6gv Expression makes all the difference and Bobby G would have chosen his carefully. I'm a fan of the Wolves and Grimnar rates highly to me but I'd still rather Bobby slap him into line.

The primaris story is really dumb, I still do not know how to handle my HW40k "head canon".

the Raven-Chad Corvus Corax dealt with that brilliantly. He sent all the Terran Raven Guards to suicide missions.

​@@MollymaukT not all of them, only the brutal slaving ones he sent. Some Terran Raven Guard Astartes stayed but the majority of them died at the Istvaan V.

​@@JC-jo9bf You don't need head cannon on first place. Every head cannon is borderline fanfic, which means, that actually it is not cannon, only in you head.😂 Me for example, i don't really care about your problem with your head cannon.😂

@@vencislavgynev8282 Newsflash, your WH 40k experience is in your head, it is not real. Even you have head cannon, even though you are simply an azzhole.

That makes sense

That a perfect analogy honestly

Yeah, great analogy

True. Cadilacs are pretty old, but for Emperor's nipples, aren't they sexy lookin'

@@maciejas2471 Now thats the question. Which do you prefer? The new "hotness" or the old glory. Id take an old Chevelle over a new Camero or Charger. I feel the same about the marines too.

yeah, they were down to like 6 members XD. and had a bit of a fault with their own seeds. but I wont spoil more.

Yeah but they still didn’t trust them.

@@gergokerekes4550 Oh how do you know? i am also currently reading Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work heheh.

@@johnd3421 the scíthes are not featured often in books sadly, cool chapter they are but minor compared to others.

Or straight up brainwashing them and killing any who find out. Moracani should’ve been a dreadnought.

Works either way

I to as a Dark Angels (and a tau fan) loved Phill Kelly's take on that interaction.

@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen Agreed, I suppose there is no better way of representing the Dark Angels.

I thought War of Secrets was of one the worst 40k Novels ever. Nothing about it made sense and it made the Dark Angels appear like Comic villains. Worst Part was definitely when (Warnung spoilers, but you really should not care) the leader of the Primaris squad learned that the DA apothecary had murdered his closest Squadmate and he was just like "eh, whatever"

I never realised primaris just straight up means protagonist

Yeah, they hadn't even JOINED their battle brothers in the Brazen Drakes* and the Custodes are like "Refusing to surrender, huh? So you've chosen DEATH."

I was coming here just to say this, the whole moment of "Hey, so the people we were delivering you to were actually heretics. So, what do you have to say for yourself? You can either surrender now or die a few seconds from now."

@@dac314 Well, I still believe that the order to surrender (which ment death for the Primaris) was just a test. Had they shown their willingness to accept their fate and die for the Emperor in order to keep their honor rather than valuing their own lives more than the greater ideology of the Imperium, I think the Custodes would've spared them. I'm not 100 % sure, though. The Custodes are intelligent beyond peer and can be very cryptic in terms of their practices, but they also hold a great grudge towards the Astartes for what happened during the Heresy and deem them untrustworthy as a whole. So, it was either a test or they were just looking for a reason to let off some steam. The latter doesn't sound very Custodian, though.

@@GodlordBazi yeah, it's a shame. Likely, the writers just wanted to say "yes Primaris are cool, but Custodes still can dunk on them like children", and chose this grimdark method to do so. Sure, the Primaris should have surrendered IMMEDIATELY, but the Custodes should be able to recognize and comprehend that "traitor geneseed" is not the absolute cause of all rebellion, and thus context and external factors might be the reason for the Brazen Drakes chapter turning rogue, not just "anything with a BD on their armor is a traitor, full stop".

I think Seth told the Primaris he would kick his ass/kill him because he wasn't a true son of sanguinis, the primaris went all "ref, he can't do that, it's heresy" to the nearby chaplain; unfortunately for Mr. Primaris, said chaplain was Appollus, who did literally nothing but watch while Seth beat said primaris up.

@@Turk3YbAstEr no, Apollus never does nothing. When Captain Toivo refused to fight Seth, Apollus pointed his plasma pistol and Toivo and asked if he was feeling lucky.

@Abe Froman i am thank you mate

It's still a mystery to me how the Inquisition hasn't felt the mighty of all the Space Marines yet, they practically go against everything that they preach just to purge what they think is wrong. Like, they say that Chaos is bad (and it is) and that one shan't use xeno artifacts, but they possess and use both Chaos and xeno weaponry/items/artifacts.

Lol

To me it makes no sense to me. How did Cawl managed to get this much geen seed to improve on it and make legion sizes numbers of marines with out anyone knowing it. He supposedly got premaris ready over the years and only with gullimans command was he allowed to reveal them to the inperium.... so Cawl could have saved macrag from the tyranids when the entire ultramarines where threatened and gulliman himself. But he didn't. Cawl make no sense or his primaris.

@@rockman9377 You mean, other than having samples of Primarch DNA on hand to work with?

​@@stevenschnepp576 I think the bigger issue is that the Imperium had been getting shit on for an endless number of ages and threatened with extinction from numerous sources in all directions, but only now it's only recently revealed that ACKCHYUALLY we had superweapon-like resources that could have evened up the stakes in countless wars and saved billions the whole time but we loldidn't until Cawl was given a thumbs up to do so. It's like if it was suddenly revealed that Terra secretly had an STC that created loyalist Primarch factories but wanted to keep it secret the whole time. Having not read any of the novels or material about it, I can only make uneducated guesses to reasons why it came out of nowhere. Maybe Cawl would be accused of tech-heresy for his work without Guilliman's public approval and was more interested in not sticking his own neck out by helping people? Or maybe he was waiting for a dramatically contrived time to reveal it because only at that exact moment at the greatest of needs was it ready? Or maybe it was unclear if it was ready at all? I mean I guess clearly it was but overall it still doesn't make sense to me either.

Were the primaris completed early on and only released with Guilliman's resurrection, or were they only finished by the very end of the 41st millenium?

imagine if some scientist came along and told religious fundamentalists that he has modified and improved on humanity they should have been rejected by everyone, no matter if they are actually better or not, just on the basis of it suggesting that he has modified and improved on their gods work them accepting cawls work to be an improvement over the original creation of their holy god emperor doesnt make any sense to me the 40k imperium is very different to the 30k imperium, they have thrown away rationality and scientific understanding and replaced it with faith

GW: "oh shit how are we going to explain Cawls ability to make better space marines.... aaa fuck it he is a bunch of super scientist all in one."

I think he’s also got a ctan shard somewhere too, plus the whole “void dragon influences the creators on Mars with its dreams” thing

@@rockman9377 WH40K fans no prgoress:REEEEE progress:REEEEEEE please read the great work, it is actually well explained and makes sense, for a change it is sensible progress and not grimderp.

Gergő Kerekes valid criticism of GWs cheap story telling primarisfans: REEEE REEEE.

@@rockman9377 read the great work, then you might have some basis to talk about primaris. until that your opinion is meaningless.

Lmao

I don't see why red corsairs can't use them, maybe a primaris didn't like his new chapter because they kept calling him names so he ran away and joined a pirate fleet. Proper chaos tho I'm sure will get their own official version in due time.

I'd love to see Chaos Primaris Marines

Hey, leave the actual full firstborn chapters alone!

@@marcusanthony9322 I think it's interesting speculation but where Chaos doesn't have the exact means/technology to replicate the Rubicon Primaris I think that it won't be a straight copy but Fabius Bile and his "New Men" are about as close to this concept ad we'll get too until further developments!

I mean, Fabius Bile is still out there and lets be real, the man is a psychotic lunatic genius. It is very likely if he could capture a couple of them, he could figure them out. I'd hate to imagine the fate of them at Biles hands, as it would likely be worse than death, but with a few live dissections, I'm sure the imperium would soon shudder to see that their mighty new toys start showing up in Chaos legions.

It isn't? NOOOOOOOOO

Few of Baldy's fluff stories are canon. He simply creates them to add more flavor and set the tone for the video.

Baldy IS 40k cannon. And that story is my reason to despise the golden lap-dogs!

@@Aredel interesting, honestly I couldn't tell. It doesn't really change much though, the guy apparently writes some great fluff.

@@scottdodge6979 yeah he does itd always a pleasure to binge his videos. A lot of people keep wondering why he hasn't signed up with Audible. Some warhammer stories in there would benefit from his story telling

Actual applicable use of the "here before" line.

Impossible Majorkill always beats Timmy before posting

Consider that Corvus Corax tried to do it but ended up creating more mutants than soldiers and screwing up their geneseed stock. Then again, maybe Cawl might have used his blue print and improved about it. Wondering if TTS Corax would suffer nervous breakdown since it reminded of his failed experiments.

@@powerist209 Corax would had succeeded if not for the alpha legion interference

@@justinLaw5Cawl acknowledged that fact, and mentioned that if it had been done in secret, it likely would have succeeded. Can’t remember the book, unfortunately Hence why no one knew about Primaris prior to the Indomitus Crusade. They were kept secret to avoid tampering (probably by alpha legion again)

xenos *HEREASYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY*

Not really keen on the lore so it might seems redundant or not correct on canon things BUT. Mine is a Ultima Foundation one from the Iron Hands : Gorgon's Fury. They're pretty much all primaris except the triumvirat that serves as chapter masters (like Iron hands they're a council with one of them being representative) So, how do they view primaris? Pretty good. The three veterans passed the rubicon and viewed being Primaris as a direct upgrade toward transhumanism

My chapter see primaris as unproven and send them to the fruntlines for combat while the primaris believe that they are given the hard jobs because they are so dam good at it

I made quite a few chapters, so I will just tell about the most important: 1. Void Crosses - due to their deep culture and very complicated genetics don't have Primaris 2. Star Protectors - as chapter that focuses more about cold and tactical way of fighting accepted Primaris in similar manner like Space Wolves 3. Solar Nomads - they had problems with keeping numbers high, so pretty well 4. Hunting Angels - they don't like them due to being very individual based chapter 5. Dark Knights - chapter made in Ultima Funding, so all Primaris. They admire Firstborn as the true heroes

since my chapter is one of: get the shit done as soon as possible and leave, having more soldiers to do this, well, tha's a good one

My homebrew absolutely despise Primaris as they think that there culture would be over-run by Ultramarine culture. However they do use them due to the Custodians saying to. They basically are used as cannon fodder while the firstborn get transferred into Primaris

AVENGE ME, BROTHERRR!

@@boartank you made my day bro

To quote the great Rogal Dorn: This is true

Yeah. They’re basically just the Raptor Project 2.0 so I don’t fully understand the issue. Like sure, some of the lore is dodgy but people tellin me that a groovy robot has been spending 10 millennial working on this and he shouldn’t have been able improve upon the emperor’s work?

Would you like to repeat that, sir?

HERSEY! PURGE, BURN, CRUSH AND SODOMIZE THE HERETIC!!

@@marcusanthony9322 sodomize? Praise Slannesh!

yea well...problem is that GW upgraded the Emperor due to the great rift opening and 10.000 years of prayers, he is a god now.

The 10K years of stagnation is GWs ploy to slow down the story so they can milk their fans harder. Everything they touch gets corrupted by their dirty hands that reek of ball sweat and money

@@kermit8173 Boooy that hate against GW! What did GW ever done against you? We should get a grudge stone and deliver it to GW.

@@Kareszkoma idk, maybe destroying fan projects that put out better work than they ever did? Slowing down the plot to a state where the emperor will never leave his throne so they can make this bullshit levels of hype last as long as possible. A slow trickle of content into the mouths of their fans.

@@kermit8173 Destroying Animators. The one thing that kept wh40k alive these years and what gave it hype. The animations. If not for Bruva, or TTS, wh40k would've slowly faded to the unknown. Even when Dawn of War II came out, wh40k was basically a cult classic. Far from mainstream. Pretty much nobody gave it a thought, regardless of books, because of the lack in content. But so many online artists came after 2010. So much digital artwork. That people started commissioning wh40k art. Some people make videos, lore or funny, and slowly it started to be a thing. All thanks to the artist, animators, fans. All thanks to people who paid those animators and helped them. What GW does? Let's murder them. Let's destroy everything. I was serious about the grudge stone, even if the rest was sarcastic. Let's get a big polished stone, GW-s sins carved into it, and thrown into their yard.

​@@kermit8173 I'm not a GW apologist, they deserve all the flak they get, but I think he was just asking a lore question because he's curious. Which there is a lore explanation given by the mechanicus

Wait a minute...I recently bought a book about Alpharius... I kinda forgot it on a shelf so I haven't read it completely but I think it's the one you're talking about

You lost the heart when you edit your comment

@@sunhunter0914 it came out sometime January or so, it’s good it’s called Alpharius Head of the Hydra

@@rexlumontad5644 what

@@uwuwithcthulhu2300 You didn't get the heart from Majorkill right?

That’s still fucking insane to think about, honestly. Like seriously, think about: we went from “we cannot truly fly, only float on balloons” to “holy shit we’ve got rocks from the moon.”

@@theinquisitor8112 it also makes me wonder if there were people alive who saw both. Imagine watching the first ever heavier than air controlled flight then 66years later, watching the Moon landing on TV. Imagine the stories that person could tell.

@@UncleMikeDrop Unfortunately, the vast majority of those people are likely dead by now, especially if they lived in Europe.

@@theinquisitor8112 well, yeah. I meant they could have told those stories to their kids and grandkids. You know those stories are coming out at every visit and family reunion. We could all use a bit more wonder in our lives.👍

Amen

For a more lore-y version of this, “they are cool with it regardless of personal thoughts because they need all the bolt guns they can get in this day and age.”

@@theinquisitor8112 that's not really lorey though, they definitely wouldn't get along for the sake of it? There would definitely be forge worlds that would prefer The Lion's view or G-man's. It wouldn't be a simple "coming together to face a greater foe" otherwise this would just be a fairy tale

@@theinquisitor8112 I actually just realised my first reply was to a different topic :'D my bad. Clearly I am sleepy. But in response to "they need all the guns" yeah, sorta true, but at the same time, they are proud individuals, the universe is stagnant for a reason, things breaking convention is a not acceptable.

Well they are sons of Fulgrib at last right?

@@edalmirneto4246 Ah I didn't know they were Emperor's Children decended?, where did you hear that ?

You'd have to get the chaos marines to agree to the upgrade and make it a widely known and applicable transmutation that the warbands would be willing to use. As for the Primaris marines themselves, they'd be closely watched by all the chapters and executed if they turned traitor. Even if they escaped, they don't know how the procedure works, and there'd be so few of them that it wouldn't make much of a difference.

One of the books mentioned they got primaris for all legions, so I'm guessing chaos would steal theirs at some point.

This shit's heretical- Heretic

Sounds like he's jealous.

Very wrong here. Read Wolftime. They decline at first, but after a certain incident in the book Grinmar does accept the gifted Primaris into the Wolves, as well as start creating Primaris Wolves, AND sending existing Wolves to the new successors to train them and teach them the ways of Russ.

r/thishappened

EBay Brother. Flesh Tearer here, I need so many black armoured monsters ……..

To which the boys in gold can respond “your bolters were not made by the Emperor, so you openly commit heresy in front of us?” Or some shit.

@@QixTheDS and then we respond we don't used bolters we used swords and our fist

@@PrimarisBlackTemplaDraven shit, uh And then the Custodes respond “did the Emperor forge those swords of yours? I thought so.”

@@QixTheDS half of the Templars stood next to the Dreadnought blade's and bolters drawn the custodians readied their spears as silence filled the room

Well the real life Mongols weren't too fussed about inducting foreigners into their armies.

i mean i think all you'd have to do to get the white scars on board is show them how fast the new vehicles coming with the primaris can go

Custodes cannot be easily killed by space Marines, including the Black Templars.

@@huuphuclecao8712 they still died

@@paulsegers1880 1 custodes dead=1 chapter SM destroy.;)

@@huuphuclecao8712No I mean the Black Templar’s straight up killed the Custodes in the story. Not easily but they still technically won.

@HuuPhuc Lecao not at all, and in the HH books with Garro a custodes was ambushed and killed by traitor White Scars fairly easily

It’s actually a disturbingly good piece of writing, from the perspective that it shows some understanding of the tribal nature of warrior culture.

They are servants of Lords of Terra, certainly they receive primaris with joy.

they got primaris and they used them well already

I think Cawl is more talking out his robotic rear with the whole 'immune to chaos' thing. I'd love to see Chaos Primaris.

@@teal_m_101 i'd love to see Chaos Cawl.

cawl will betray Emps once, and even then it won't be a betreyal- as said by emps himself. so no.