How do the Androids Work? - An Extensive and Overly Complicated Guide 

Fun fact: The majority of 7-Eleven stores in this world are in Japan, so it’s 100% a reference

my favorite fact by far was "the cell jrs are alive and have been mostly domesticated by 17"

The reason 19 & 20 became 17 & 18 was because when Toriyama's editor first saw them, he said they looked ridiculous and demanded he change the main antagonists.

DBZA did something that I think is interesting enough that I like to think of it as canon even though it obviously isn’t. TFS built off of Toriyama saying that 16 was based on Gero’s son who died in combat, and they had it so that his son died during Goku’s assault on the RR Army Headquarters. This idea really helps flesh out Gero, especially because it’s kind of weird that he’d have this more than a decade long grudge about the Red Ribbon Army’s defeat if he didn’t have more of a personal stake in it given that the RR Army was actually built to help Commander Red get taller, instead of having some ideological project to believe in (they told the soldiers that it was about taking over the world but that still isn’t really enough of an ideology to explain Gero being so attached to them). Goku killing Gero’s son and that later causing the Cell saga just works really well as an unintended consequence of Goku’s actions.

This Cell is comprised of 10.78% of Son Goku's DNA. These parameters, are aceptable.

Not even fifteen minutes into the video, and I am beyond confused why you don't have more subscribers and views. This is so well scripted and concise. Great work!

Extensive? Overly complicated? 1.5 hours?! Perfection 👌🏻

In the Budokai Games, Cell has the Spirit Bomb as an Ultimate that's pretty cool.

My theory on why Androids 19 and 20 showed up instead of 17 and 18 in the altered timeline is that Trunks was just an unreliable source of information. He was a baby when all of this went down, and heard everything second or more likely third hand from his mother, as Bulma probably learned about everything from whoever survived the initial fight with the Androids. I also think things may have happened on a longer timeline than we assumed based on how things panned out in the altered timeline. Since the Z-Fighters didn't know they were coming, it's likely 19 and 20 were active for a little while before the Z-fighters caught up with them. Having heard something attacked an island 9 miles south of South City, they investigated, but maybe weren't able to confront them immediately. Since they can't sense the Android's energy, it would have been even harder to find them without Trunk's warning, so they may not have even found them on May 12, that was just when they became aware of them. When they did finally track the androids down, it went essentially the same as it did in the Altered timeline, with the obvious exception of Goku being dead. Since Gero hadn't factored in the increase in strength everyone gained on Namek in the Altered Timeline, I think that would still hold true in Trunks' timeline, and even without Goku there Vegeta and Piccolo at least greatly surpassed Gero's expectations and they managed to destroy 19, forcing Gero to retreat to activate 17 and 18. (I can't remember or was never clear on whether Vegeta was a Super Saiyan in Trunks' Timeline. Either way, I expect he was still strong enough to handle 19) After that, things went pretty much the way Trunks had forecast, with 17 and 18 killing off each Z-Fighter in turn until only Gohan was left. From there, Trunks grew up only ever knowing about 17 and 18. Bulma, not having known beforehand about the Android threat, wouldn't have gone with the guys to meet them and would have somehow learned about all of this later, with the parts about 19 and 20 being omitted because they'd been defeated and weren't relevant anymore, and so she never never told Trunks either. The only thing I can't reconcile is Trunks saying it was 19 and 20 who would show up when he warned Goku in the manga. I can only chalk that up to Toriyama's style of making it up as he went along and his editor forcing him to change things mid story. But that's my take on the timeline discrepancies. They weren't discrepancies at all, Trunks just didn't have all the details about how the initial encounter with the androids went down.

Oddly enough, tucking your pants into your socks (like how 17 does) is a surprisingly effective way to keep ticks off your legs irl.... Despite being a look only 17 can pull off. Given that Super's version becomes a park ranger, part of me wonders how long Toriyama had that idea for 17 to become one in his head.

Fun fact: The Android 13 movie actually came out before Cell stated he wanted to absorb 17 and 18, meaning that it’s entirely possible that Cell and 13 were created independently from each other. Probably not, but it’s possible. I also remember seeing a headcanon that 13 might be modeled off a younger Gero. If you age Gero down, get rid of his facial hair, and shorten his hair, they look pretty similar.

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Bro spent more time talking about 17&18’s drip than any theories about how they ‘work’. I like it.

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Draining-types do have infinite energy, and are technically an improved version of 17/18's generators (as they allow a fully mechanical entity to increase it's power over time, where as 17/18's reactors are partly bio-reactors that integrate with living tissue, and absorb ki progression of the user's body to improve output, which doesn't work for a machine body. 16 can't increase his power generation innately, but 19 and 20 can). Since any energy drained permanently increases their output in the future, and takes much less time and effort than 17/18 need to in order to boost their generator's output levels, which requires just as much effort as normal ki growth.

18 being money-motivated after getting a family does make a lot of sense. Nearly every living being in her universe is either her friend, or beatable. She doesn't need food, has shelter, has love, and has purpose. All her sentient needs are met. The only thing left for her is maintain what she has while pursuing material desires/hobbies.

Oh I'm here for this. Being a Dragon Ball fan first, a Z fan second, I've always loved the Androids

52:32 Cell's first Genki Dama was Budokai 1 I believe. I remember him saying "Alright planet, give me that stupid energy!" before performing it lol

40:13 Pretty interesting detail that he used a form out of desperation he also mocked trunks for using. But attained a better form that has the exact same aura as Gohan’s after being pushed to the brink of death, basically he’s a saiyan at heart☠️

It's pretty well-estsblished that 19 and 20 WERE meant to be Androids and that editorial meddling led to the creations of 17, 18, 16, and Cell.

Yeah I kind of choose to believe that Android 17 and 18 just don't remember their own names from before they were changed. To me it just makes the most sense unless they really just own up that they're not who they use to be anymore or something.

why did i watch this entire video even though i’ve literally never consumed DB-related content in my actual whole life

10:30 hachi means eight and in some contexts is just shortened to ha like hapun(8 minutes) chan is an affectionate honorific

Simple reason why Cell beats Android 13 is that Cell can also use the spirit bomb so even if he was weaker he could just do what goku did in the movie

You actually missed one form for Cell. In the Dragonball Online game there is a quest where you take on a giant more insect-ish sorta queen-bee looking version of Cell. But this video was very in depth and enjoyable otherwise! ^-^

Pretty presumptuous to assume we know enough about souls in dragon ball (or even at all really,) to say that Dr. Gero needed to create them for his Artificial humans, he might try to claim he did, but I think it's more like if it "lives," it has an opportunity to develop one.

I thought 19 is also like 20 and you can see his brain. In GT, it appeared that Gero removed the red orbs which may be transferred into the final design of Super 17. There are several close ups to his palm revealing he lacks an energy absorber. Trunks saying that 19 and 20 are coming is not a VIZ moment and even the anime specifically adapted the original scene where Trunks claimed 20 and 19 will be coming to take everyone's life. When the Androids appeared, Toriyama's former editor thought they are a joke and Toriyama retconned the scene creating a plothole. After that ironically, 17 and 18's reveal caused his at the time current editor to complain which promptly got us Cell. It is also that editor that wanted Toriyama to change the design of Cell despite being final saying something like "At least he will transform soon." causing Cell from a cool lizard bug to be another transforming villain like Frieza which originally wasn't planned. I think it was implied that the future counterparts held back as 17 mentioned he held back in battle before finishing Gohan. Kinda funny you mentioned 16 blowing himself up as an iconic moment because I don't remember it. But now I recall him being blown up. His most iconic moment to me is being stepped on by Cell to trigger Gohan to get serious. I think specifically regarding Cell, in his imperfect form he didn't have a unique ki signature but his ki basically the ki of the characters he is composed off. And when he executed an attack, the power of the attack matched the power of said fighter at the time. At least that is what it felt like to me. It would kinda explain why Cell would stop using moves of other characters before reaching his semi-perfect form (except maybe solar flare because it doesn't matter how strong the attack is). After exploding, Cell really seemed to have gotten the ultimate plot convenient power up: - survives his own self-destruct - keeps his perfect form despite not having 18 in his body - gets a zenkai - LEARNs instant transmission - the reason he survived is a plothole fixed by the English translation of the anime because his core was blown up by Goku earlier as it is in his head. Goku blew away the entire head. And it gets confirmed again in the Boo Saga as Piccolo states he can regenerate as long as his head is unharmed. I am impressed Toriyama managed to do that in a way nobody is bothered by it. In several Video Games, Cell does use the Spirit Bomb. One of them being the first Tenkaichi. Funny thing is, the reason the Cell Jr's might be able to stop Final Flash is also because Cell trained apparently and probably knows how to handle the Final Flash. Those his Cell Jrs might have adapted that feature. Simply put, I think the Cell Jrs are identical copies to Cell having almost the same amount of power and abilities (except absorption maybe and regeneration in the anime). Funny thing about 14 and 15 is that after Toriyama named them, Toei mixed up their names. 14 is actually 15 and 14 is actually 15. The smaller one has some personality I like is that after Vegeta turned Super Saiyan, he took a sip of his bottle. I love it. Apparently at the time, Broli is stated to be the strongest after his movie came out. Many consider Broli to be weaker than Cell tho I disagree. So I assume many consider Super 13 fodder to Cell Saga characters. Probably the strongest character of the main cast is Piccolo at the time of the movie. My headcanon is that after killing Gero in Super 13, 17 and 18 joined a skater gang and no further conflict took place in the series. I think in terms of character Super 17 is very underrated. He suppose to be a killing machine with no emotion but when we see 18 appear, we see Super 17 actually showing that there is more to him than a mindless robot who follows orders. His personality is identical to 17 and his interaction with 18 show that deep down he doesn't want to kill her. If you watch when brainwashed 17 went to kill Krillin, Hell Fighter ordered him to met him but despite that 17 decided to have 18 join him. When he attacked to finish her off, he actually spared her life which 18 believed is because of the bomb inside her. Super 17 appears to not know why he spared her, it must be some psychological thing and I kinda like it. GT had a few of these like when Goku used Kamehameha times 10 to kill the 7 Star Dragon but subconsciously held back because he would be killing Pan. Also I feel Super 17 has the coolest moments in fights. When absorbing ki blasts from Goku, he is vibing. The beat down of the Z Fighters look fire, and after each action scene he cares about how cool he looks. We don't know if Hell Fighter 17 could absorb or not. He might have had functions we don't know about. I think it is a major misconception that many believe Hell Fighter, just because he looks like 17, is the exact same model. But he is build with Machine Mutant technology, he can fight GT Vegeta who believes 17 powered up beyond believe in the original translation and he has the ability to awaken the original 17's hidden powers which apparently suppose to be higher than Cell's. Which Cell? Considering everyone in Hell know each other, it must be Super Perfect Cell. While it might come off as dumb, I think it is reasonable as Gero shut down the Project and it is likely that Cell could not access 17's full power at all. Super 17 cannot sense energy but he can sense the vibration on the air and forsee his enemies moves which is why Goku had to resort to using Ki Blasts as it appeared that he cannot dodge those. Sadly, Super 17 purposely took down and Goku had to result to a trick he used against Yakon. Even in the Perfect Files they make a fuss about Super 17 being able to predict movements of his opponents and the only time he was caught off guard was because of his own attack, where Goku was able to instant transmission to grab him for a self-destruct move. Super 17 prevented both from dieing by using his shield. Dragon Ball Online had a lot of Androids apparently where also Cell X originated and apparently there is stuff like Android 19000.

13:50 This is one of the reasons I like and respect 19. Not only is he the first character to beat a super saiyan, he is also the first to fight _two_ super saiyans back-to-back and sample super saiyan energy. Even Frieza himself had to wait a whole year before gettng his second fight with another super saiyan. 19 was also the most loyal android and---along with Gero, was one of Toriyama's _original_ choices for the main villains of the Android Saga...Plus, I just really like characters who can absorb energy.

Don't forget about the L's and R's in Japanese. It's not literally Dr "Flappy", you say it as Dr "Frappe", as in the coffee drink. A name pun, like so many others.

I feel like im the only one who thinks imperfect cell is the best design out of the three forms

I dont know why they didnt just make it so every cell in cell's body can regenerate. Thats what i always thought.

Wow that chibi infographic brings back memories

For decades at this point, I have had this theory that there is a form of cell that we never got to see. See, when imperfect cell absorbed 17, he took on various masculine features. A very strong jawline, bigger frame in proportion to the rest of his body, and it has been state to be his tallest form. When he absorbs 18, a lot of those over the top masculine features get toned down. I think, that had imperfect cell absorbed android 18, we would have seen an imperfect cell that looks pretty different and more feminine than any other form of cell, as for what that would entail, it's hard to say.

Man you are underated as hell, an hour and a half long video on the androids and you cover a lot of different materials, your way of speaking is also very calming ngl. (Also 21 mentioned 🙏🙏)

Music is a little too loud at the start but tbh excited to give this a listen. 1:34, haha he said Goku instead of gohan

I also would say yes cell is a saiyan because cell shows both the golden aura of a super saiyan 1 and the lighting of 2 as well as a zenkai boost so that is enough information for me, cell also shows namekian regeneration and some of their ki moves so I would say cell is also a namekian.

56:20 I dont know if it counts but in Budokai Tenkaichi 3, the move where he shoots out red energy balls in his Semi-Perfect form to destroy islands to find 18 was shown to be his version of Vegeta's Big Bang Attack, the Big Bang Crash

Cell fun fact: Based on an optional pre-fight interaction with Goku in Dragon Ball FighterZ's Enemy Warriors Arc, Cell's experience in the afterlife is indescribably traumatic. No official statements I'm aware of have clarified what Cell's Hell is canonically like, but it's so awful he refuses to explain it to Goku, and tells Goku to "use your imagination" in regards to what goes on there. This implies it is nothing like the Hell seen in Z filler and movies or in GT, though based on the Resurrection "F" version of Frieza's afterlife, those were already dubiously canon.

Super 17 (18 Absorbed) is a part of a chapter (mission) that had a very loose story and wasn’t really focused on. Towa just kept fusing Android with Super 17 for some reason. This is the storyline that introduced SS4 Gohan btw. She first fuses Super 17 with 18, somehow they defuse. Then she fuses Super 17 with 16, then Cell. Perfect Super 17 (as I call him) is sometimes brought out as a super form for Super 17 in the card game but it’s been years since he was last printed.

1:26:45 That's a reference to Shin Godzilla. Cell Max is basically Shin Godzilla, but Cell

Hella good video, enjoyed the detail and thought brought in. Quick correction though for 20:00, I assume you're speaking of the 17 and 18 from the present timeline considering you mentioned their hunting game for Goku; it's actually a point in the series that other than Dr. Gero, 17 and 18 never actually killed anyone unlike their future selves.

I'm pretty sure that 17 18 and 16 exist becouse of Dragon Ball's editors. They were not happy with the "fat guy and old guy", so Toriyama made 17 and 18, but they were "just brats" so he made 16... ans then cell, who also had to evolve to look cooler

gotta say, I love this. I will continue to consume Toughman gaming content

People really love long videos, especially about stuff they like so you did a great job at making one of them I really enjoyed it

I always knew cell was a walking super saiyan 24/7 Main reason goku and gohan trained the super saiyan by leaving it on so it can be more of its natural state.

I wonder if 19 and 20 eye lasers are a reference to Dio because they're like "vampire" androids.

Perfect video, already finished and enjoyed a lot, well written, narrated and executed :) !

Since Gero models the purely artificial androids after things from his life, like 19 being that doll on a RR base, and 16 being his son, It's likely that 13, 14, and 15 are also people he's known. Likely all RR members from different parts of the world given all their distinct appearances. Could've died before or after Goku's attack on RR, but he made androids to commemorate them.

17:57 - 18:36 About Trunks calling the androids of his future 19 and 20, turns out that was in the Japanese version as well. The weirder thing is that not just the translations, but not even reprintings of the Japanese version ever bothered correcting it.

This probably isn't canon, but in dbz kakarot, when rematching cell after reviving him, he says he lied about the core thing entirely as to keep his enemies guessing

this video was awesome! super informative and well scripted, you deserve way more subscribers!

Also, about Cell having the lowest kill count... Vegeta only kills a planet in contentious anime filler. In manga canon, he literally kills nobody on earth (Nappa did all of it), and in the Namek saga only kills a Namekian village. He also kills a few drivers in his fight with 18, and part of a stadium crowd as Majin Vegeta. Cell definitely has a bigger kill count than Vegeta, at least for onscreen events.

I always thought that Cell was able to move his "core" inside his body. As in, it doesn't necessarily have to be in his head and could really be moved anywhere within his body, either by instinct or consciously. Which is why he's able to survive with his head and upper body being blown off by Goku, while making the statement about the core "being inside his head" a true statement at that moment

I watched 21 minutes but I didn't even realize it. This is a great video and RU-vid needs you bless your channel already

Imagine talking about Cell's Spirit Bomb and NOT mentioning his use of it as an Ultimate in the Budokai games. And his harnessing of STUPID energy, destroying his opponent with the combined might of all Twitter users.

I just can’t believe humans could create beings by default stronger than Namik saga Frieza.

Great work, man!

In dbz kakarot (even though it’s not canon) Cell says how he was lying when he said the core was in his head

Thank you for zooming in on among us when talking about android 16

I've always wondered what the other Androids that are never shown looked like. 1-7 and 9-12 were completely artificial, but Gero could not control their personalities: too dark, too stupid, too nice, etc. These units have design flaws or other problems, which lead to them being scrapped. My head cannon Major Metallitron is “Android 4” due to his many similarities in design with Android 16, and because 4² = 16. According to Dragon Ball Online Android 9, an artificial replica of Commander Red. Android 9 was an entirely mechanical Android constructed by Dr. Gero at some point following the Red Ribbon Army's defeat but possessed a problem and so was destroyed. So take it will a grain of salt. 9 and the androids that follow were created with the sole intention of killing Goku. However, like 1 through 7, 9 through 12, all have problems, which eventually lead to them being scrapped. It would be cool if we had designs for the unseen ones.

18:23 - It actually was a change in chapters after the production. Toriyama's former editor Kazuhiko Torishima disproved of Androids 19 and 20 as the main antagonist's of the arc. Kazuhiko also lead to the creation of Cell as well as he was also displeased by Android 17 and 18.

Great vid. Totally agree with your thoughts on Cell being ssj

Just coming back to leave a second comment I hope this helps! Your work gets me through my job 😂❤ amazing video

This video was very good, my want to finish it single-handedly made me finally watch superhero

17:38 i always thought the same events happen in order but with Goku catching the heart virus at home while the androids was blowing the city and the z fighterz had to fly out after Goku died, Vegeta prolly had to handle 19 as a super saiyan and then Gero unleashed 17 and 18. I also thought that since Goku was dead they couldn't fulfill and that they also didn't have 16 with them is what made a difference

That was great background noise while i was grinding 7250 on dokkan's current burst mode ! thanks for that ! (didnt beat it tho, make better vids god dammit /j)

Wow, great job with this video!

Bless this channel 🙏🏽

52:33 It's not just the one preset! Cell also has access to the Spirit Bomb via Partner Customization- a feature where mentors (and some other characters after getting keys) can have their stats, Super Soul, and moves changed. In total, beyond the ones he's known for using in the original material, Cell also has the following moves (probably not a complete list, these are just what I recall off the bat): Tien's Volleyball Fist, Dodon Ray, and Tri-Beam Yamcha's Spirit Ball Vegeta's Galick Gun (plus a couple of its variations) Frieza's Death Slicer and Supernova- and I'm pretty Sorry for making a longer comment, I'm just. Far too familiar and attached to the game to just not say anything when someone brings it up for trivia purposes.

When it comes to power sources, I always find it fascinating to think about the characteristics Gero was designing for. From my ponderings I always end up thinking about "Maximum Output" (What the maximum output of ki/power that the power source and put out), "Output Control" (How well the output of a power source can be adjusted), Output Efficiency (This is a bit of a weird one; its the idea of how efficiently a power source can put out from its reserves/stamina at different levels of output. Kind of like how cars have different fuel efficiencies for different speeds, I imagine some power sources can be efficient at all levels of output, some are inefficient as they move away from max output, and those that get more inefficient as they approach max output), Rest Max Capacity (The level of stored energy a power source would rest at without external influxes, basically a full tank. Or in the case of Energy Absorption the level that an android will decay to without a constant source of Ki), and Recovery Speed (How quickly a power source can recover itself), and 'Characteristic Alteration' (Or if and how well these characteristics can be improved). I also like to think the fact one of the cell Jrs could reflect the Final Flash, and the fact they are 'tamed' later... Is proof that they're iterations of Cell rather than clones, possibly with forced mutations. More head cannon, is that they aren't like animals, but the genetics for socialization were probably streamlined to make the genome more stable. After all Gero could have used programs to condition Cell during development and gestation. But again, just casual head cannon. Anyways, fun video!

Came here from the "how to the dragon balls work" video. Wanted to say awesome content. Subscribed and looking forward to whats next.

There were 76 issues between Android 8's final appearance and the first appearance of 19 & 20.

So. Not only did Xenoverse have a Spirit Bomb, but during Budokai and Infinite World all have Spirit Bomb moves.

Rest in power levels toriyama

On the point of future 17 and 18 being weaker than the main timeline versions, it's fairly safe to say that Trunks just never knew their actual full power since they're only ever toying with him and Gohan, they are the android's entertainment until they get bored of them(as seen by the death of Gohan; they broke their toy, gotta throw it out)

Nice video. I watched all of it

Only 5k subs is a crime this was amazing

I like to believe cell lied to them about the core giving them false hope that if they destroy the core it’s game over when in reality it does nothing

Never forget that 19 and Geto were the original villains of the Android saga!

considering base vegeta flexed on tien & krillin by busting open the door to gero's lab, and that (at least in the broly movie) you can multiply your power by having courage broski's tri-beam... NEO tri-beam was hella boosted just to piss cell off

ballin, also love android 8

Best video of its nature ever created on the entire internet

Ah, the perfect video to fall asleep to. Thanks RU-vid Good stuff my guy. 👍

Random dumb head canon. Cells core moves. It's in his stomach area in his perfect form and in his head in his semi perfect form. Could also explain the damage that Gohan's stomach blow did to make him regurgitate 18.

They really stretched the definition of what an “android” is

Okay so Heroes gets a little nuttier for Super 17 Not only does Super 17 absorb 18 He manages to absorb Android 16 becoming immensely swole He also at one point, in the biggest form of irony ever, manages to absorb Cell Guess his absorption really was beyond Gero's expectations Cause he absorbed not only a perfect being and his sister He also absorbed 16 who is a purely artifical being Something Cell couldn't do in his dreams Also you mention Xenoverse. In that game Cell wonders what would happen if he absorbed 17 and 18 again in his current state implying he's still capable of absorbs people even with his tail gone And within the game Dragon Ball Fusion there is some exclusive fusion between rhe Androids. Android 17 and Android 18 become....Android 1718. Android 16 and 17 become Android 1617. Cell and 17 become Cell 17. 16 and Cell become Perfect 16. 19 and 20 become 1920. Arale and 18 become Arale 18. And Cell & Frieza become Cellza.

I hadn't realized until you said it that Cell Semi-perfect didn't have wings, it blew my mind, I had to look at it on Google Images and I honestly didn't believe it XD.

54:35 I always applied the head-cannon that gero modified cells Regeneration to be better then piccolos. Say in a way he’s able to regenerate from anything. Idk why they never used this or tori his self as an explanation.

love the video! though, small pronunciation correction, his name is Doctor Gero, not Doctor Jero.

Dr Gero having a "surprisingly" large impact isn't all that surprising. He was intended to be the main villain but the editor wasn't that enthused and they eventually settled on Perfect Cell. I wonder if some of the lore Toriyama dropped was actually stuff he intended to have Gero explain in a motive rant had 19 and 20 remained the android menace

Seeing as earth was looked at as a low danger level planet , a weak planet, the androids could've had frieza beg for mercy in mere seconds

this video fucking rules dude. good job and thank you

I always wondered that if Bulma never figured out that there was an underground secret lab area where cell was gestating, how strong would Cell be when it was finished? If you take into consideration when the future Cell(the one that reached his perfect form)attacked Trunks and took his time machine, that would put it at even further than we currently are or close to Dragon ball Super: super hero. That's a LONG time for the computer to make Cell even stronger or take even longer because of absurd developments(Buu and Beerus) I also, wonder if Android 17 and 18 being stronger could also affect Cell's imperfect and perfect forms, it wouldn't make much sense for him to not get a significant boost if instead of Cell saga 17 he absorbed ToP 17.

10:30 I personally did not fully understand what you called him (i believe Eighter(?) and im Mexican so its not like i could recall it lol But if it is Eighter i wouldn't really be the direct translation, as Hacchan is basically just the number 8 (Hachi) combined with "chan", so a more accurate translation would be Eighty but i understand why they didn't go with that since, you know, 80 Combining names with subfixes (chan, kun) in japanese is just a sign of affection generally done by girls or small kids, a fairly common example would be male names that start with "Ak" being cut to "Akkun"

I would’ve loved if Cell participated in the Tournament of Power

54:35 I always thought that Cell could MOVE his core throughout his body, but he usually keeps it within his head. it's also pure headcanon basically but i don't see why he can't do it

I argue Cell is not in super saiyan. That, or he's super saiyan at all times, and only shows his aura when powered up, like grade 4 super saiyan. Otherwise, he should be much stronger if he can go toe to toe against super namekian piccolo, and then go 50x stronger in their rematch

Super 17 may be lacking in the personality and dialogue department, but you're forgetting one thing. He's hot

A couple things I’m a little surprised you didn’t mention were the fact that 21 shows up in Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot (though it’s debatable exactly how canon her appearance in that game is), and there’s also the what-if storyline from the first Budokai game where Cell absorbs, I believe, Krillin after he shoves 18 out of the way when he’s about to absorb her, and he basically turns into an Orange cell jr. I don’t remember how the rest of it panned out from there, but it concludes with revealing that it was essentially a nightmare Cell had while waiting for the Cell Games to begin.

Cell lost to plot armor (a good plot armor but plot armor nonetheless) I like to imagine that TOP would of been better if cell was brought back instead of frieza