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Scaling and Ranking the Strongest Dragon Ball Super Characters (Tier List)(Goku Black Arc and ToP) 

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Every source stems from the Dragon Ball Super Anime’s last two arcs which are episodes 47-131.
Every Background Track is from the hit mobile game Dragon Ball Z Dokkan Battle:
INT SSBE Vegeta Active Skill/Revive OST
STR Hit and SSG Goku Active Skill OST
INT Android 17 (Team Universe 7) Active Skill OST
AGL SS2 Kale Active Skill OST
TEQ Super Trunks Active Skill OST
TEQ Full Power Jiren Active Skill OST
INT Goku Black Transformation OST
INT Fused Zamasu Active Skill OST
TEQ Vegito Blue Active Skill OST
PHY SS Future Trunks Standby Skill Finisher OST
Teq Kefla Active Skill OST
AGL Ultra Instinct Goku Active Skill/Revive OST
STR SS3 Goku Standby Counter OST

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@glorp4511
@glorp4511 4 месяца назад
Seeing Vegito so far down the list is absolutely wild. I believe everything you've said in this list and although certain things just SHOULDNT make sense, thats more of a testiment to Dragon Balls whack power scaling than anything else. D tier Vegito is still absolutely wild, these zenaki boosts are jumping into the millions of times multipliers
@toughmangaming8275
@toughmangaming8275 4 месяца назад
This is real. Some copium I've ingested is that Blue Vegito to MUI Goku is the same as Super Vegito to God Goku. While this doesn't necessarily explain the ways in which you can argue blue Goku is now far beyond Blue Vegito, but those questions and these facts are part of the reason why I find this topic so interesting. Thanks for watching!
@GokuBlack22021
@GokuBlack22021 2 месяца назад
The Goku and Vegeta in the T.O.P is stronger than the Goku and Vegeta in the Goku Black arc
@TheSonicdude98
@TheSonicdude98 2 месяца назад
@@toughmangaming8275 I mean, it makes sense. Blue Vegito from the Goku Black Arc is made up of a Goku and Vegeta that are much weaker than they are in the Tournament of Power. If they had fused during the ToP they would've been much higher. It's the same thing as Gogeta in the Broly Movie, he's so strong because he's comprised of a Goku and Vegeta that have already gone through the ToP. The real question is, if you take Goku and Vegeta from the same point in time and fuse them with Potara and the Fusion Dance, which is stronger, Vegito or Gogeta? Personally I've always preferred the interpretation that the Fusion Dance makes stronger fusions at the cost of having a time limit (or as of the maybe retcon of Super a shorter time limit) but I can definitely see the argument for them being equal or Potara being stronger. Either way, though, both fusions are awesome.
@justinsden
@justinsden 2 месяца назад
Funny enough I was told by one of my subscribers that someone gave me a shoutout in their video. Much love bro. Keep up the amazing work, and thanks for the kind words! 🔥
@toughmangaming8275
@toughmangaming8275 2 месяца назад
Holey Moley, thanks so much for checking me out, man! This means a lot! Feelings are mutual, bro!
@tariqhabeeb1357
@tariqhabeeb1357 3 месяца назад
Not that really affects the ranking but one thing I do feel like is understated about Goku Black is his potential growth (bias incoming) Although he may not match up to Golden Frieza stat wise in a vacuum, I feel like in an actual death match scenario if he was getting pushed that, combined with his scythe and clones, he could push his potential hard enough to surpass Frieza outright or go even higher Granted it can't really be factored since we don't how if he could grow fast enough before he loses, but I felt it worth mentioning as Goku Black throughout his arc becomes a zenkai merchant with how much he just forces power boosts on himself to clap the Z-Fighters (losing to ssj2 goku and one shotting blue vegeta, trounced by rage blue goku and them bodying him seconds after, losing to vegeta only to pull out a scythe etc.)
@malekat8539
@malekat8539 3 месяца назад
Great Video! I enjoyed watching the whole thing and it did spur a curiosity on where SSJB Gogeta and FPSSJ Broly would go, along with Beerus since in the anime, it's pretty concrete that during the TOP, he was surpassed by Jiren and Goku. Personally, I'd have Blue Gogeta be in Z tier (probably the highest rank), along with Cui Goku and LB Jiren since those 2 (Goku and Jiren) are the only two in the T.O.P to have been stated/hinted to have surpassed the GoDs. Broly is also a character hinted to be = to or stronger than Beerus, and we see the gaps of power between Broly and Gogeta is significantly different. As for FPSSJ Broly, I'd put him in his own rank above the S tier, but below the Z tier as he's definitely stronger than Blue Evo Vegeta, GoD Toppo but also greatly weaker than Blue Gogeta who's comparable to the other 2. Lastly, as for Beerus, I'd also put him in the same Tier as Broly but greater as for the same reason i mentioned above. Overall, I find these types of videos quite enjoyable to watch and hope you create more quality content like this
@cronuslite6358
@cronuslite6358 3 месяца назад
Please do the super Manga 🙏 Man, damn this was good! I've been binging your videos today. New subscriber! This channel is making me rethink and appreciate super a little bit
@toughmangaming8275
@toughmangaming8275 3 месяца назад
Thank you so much friend, I’m glad you enjoyed
@effortless4588
@effortless4588 2 месяца назад
Love the vids !
@Jalen0108
@Jalen0108 3 месяца назад
W video, just glad to see my guy Jiren at the top tier
@empy0120
@empy0120 4 месяца назад
based toughman gaming upload, also btw, first
@tonylechuga2503
@tonylechuga2503 2 месяца назад
You should do one of these for the dbs movies and a seperate one for the manga,you do a very good job explaining placements and really got me thinking about how the different fighters would do against each other.
@mikemac-man3796
@mikemac-man3796 2 месяца назад
Hit is the ultimate noob stomper of the DB universe. Like if you aren’t just straight up clearing him in strength than there’s really nothing you can do against his technique.
@pureecra2098
@pureecra2098 4 месяца назад
I disagree with some points but fun video
@toughmangaming8275
@toughmangaming8275 4 месяца назад
Hey, I’m glad you enjoyed nonetheless!
@aaronsound
@aaronsound 3 месяца назад
Thank you
@SantiOzzy
@SantiOzzy 3 месяца назад
Great list! I agree with most of this. I like to think the way Goku Blue was able to defeat Fused Zamasu's holy wrath by focusing his energy in a small point compared to Zamasu dispersing his energy in that huge attack (That's why his kamehameha pierced through the attack). And I think Goku Black is too high on the list considering Goku Blue probably surpassed him during the Zamasu fight and then trained for months.
@midsectionmark8956
@midsectionmark8956 3 месяца назад
I am definitely trying to see the dragon ball super manga tier list. It’s a pretty nice list and the leaps in logic isn’t to crazy. It’s definitely based on how you watch the anime and perceive the events. I do think that there’s a few spots for characters that could be changes and some tiers merged together. Mainly because the jump in power maybe smaller than which was said in this video. However based on ten rules you gave your tier list, I know why you did it that way.
@gabrielsalahi3656
@gabrielsalahi3656 2 месяца назад
I love the completely random first image that has Vegeta towering over everyone else like a giant
@MannOfGlobe
@MannOfGlobe 2 месяца назад
Man, i'm happy that they have goated Gohan in manga like Roshii.
@marveltv2714
@marveltv2714 3 месяца назад
Could you explain how Blue evolution works? Stating the manga/anime diffrences in design and strengh?
@toughmangaming8275
@toughmangaming8275 3 месяца назад
Yeah! So in a video, I actually went over SSBE in my Super Saiyan Blue video if you wanna check that out, but I have no qualms going over it here. To recap, I believe SSBE functions as Super Saiyan Grade 2 for Super Saiyan Blue given their similar designs. The anime/manga differences mostly come down to the fact that Vegeta seems to be more slim in the manga. In terms of power, the anime makes it clear that SSBKK and SSBE are equivalent so it probably has a times 20 multiplier, but the manga doesn't really show any clear multiplier. Hope that helps!
@georgeshaw4017
@georgeshaw4017 Месяц назад
I think it’s meant to be like Goku’s Kaioken Times 20.
@ketto2034
@ketto2034 Месяц назад
Also Can you kinda explain SSB KK 20 from post UI 2 being above Ui2
@Bane2TuffAtBall
@Bane2TuffAtBall 3 месяца назад
I think Golden Frieza, Blue Goku, Blue Vegeta, and Wrath Broly from the Broly movie would go in a tier between A and S. Thoughts?
@toughmangaming8275
@toughmangaming8275 3 месяца назад
That's tough for me to say (assuming we're talking about the big tier list). I think I might need to review some stuff from the Broly movie, but even that movie is difficult to compare to the ToP characters given that the tournament is barley mentioned. I do believe it's possible that those three could be in the same tier as SSBKK and SSBE but I'm not sure how much stronger they would be than each other in those forms (if that makes sense). I also hold the extraordinarily hot DB take that I don't think Broly and Gogeta are in a tier above MUI Goku and Jiren. The reason I mention that is because I find that the stronger you think Broly and Gogeta are than the higher Freeza, and SSB Goku and Vegeta from Broly would go on this list. That's an interesting examination though and thanks for watching!
@1UnderKable
@1UnderKable 2 месяца назад
Something that just occurred to me is if 17 has infinite energy and we know that energy can be shared, why wouldn't he have been the team "medic" or whatever? It wouldn't heal wounds but it'd keep everyone from being exhausted constantly. Would've also been a cool thing to paint that target on his back and have U7 protecting him.
@thecrappyyoutuber4243
@thecrappyyoutuber4243 2 месяца назад
the narrator stated that dyspo in his light speed mode would give goku and vegeta a problem, with goku having ssbkk and vegeta with ssbe
@surytheworst805
@surytheworst805 3 месяца назад
Do the manga, I wanna see anime only’s freak out
@grandmanitou6563
@grandmanitou6563 Месяц назад
The old turtle fights Jiren in the manga, this crap is even dumber than the anime
@JayVibinOut
@JayVibinOut 2 месяца назад
THANK YOU idc what anybody says kefla SLAPS vegito and zamazu 😭💯
@taq1361
@taq1361 2 месяца назад
I feel like kale's a bit confusing. Yes she was ragdolling goku early on in blue, but then goku proceeds to clap both sisters at the same time in the god form while kale is supposedly in her "stronger form"💀. Also being a goku that was tired from his battle with jiren
@georgeshaw4017
@georgeshaw4017 Месяц назад
Vegito could’ve beaten Zamasu. The issue was “The power output reduced the amount of time the fusion had.” Which honestly is stupid. Vegito would be above Corrupted Zamasu and would’ve killed him.
@drearydoll6305
@drearydoll6305 3 месяца назад
The issue with zamasu is that he never fough seriously. We never got to see his full power because he pride himself as being too good to waste said full power on mere mortals. Also he s immortal so yeah, he really didn't have any reasons to see anyone as a threat.
@user-sc9kd1yw2x
@user-sc9kd1yw2x 2 месяца назад
No proof of this bro
@drearydoll6305
@drearydoll6305 2 месяца назад
@@user-sc9kd1yw2x The proof is how you see him not constantly rush at his opponent and unleach powerfull attacks. He s FAR STRONGER than goku black and we already got to see what goku black can do because he actually enjoyed fighting. Most of the time zamasu was just blasting people from distance and getting offended whenever someone dared to attack him
@user-sc9kd1yw2x
@user-sc9kd1yw2x 2 месяца назад
@@drearydoll6305 so no proof? He uses full power and grows stronger via taking damage.
@drearydoll6305
@drearydoll6305 2 месяца назад
@@user-sc9kd1yw2x You re basically implying that fused zamasu is weaker than goku black who was at this point winning his fight without trying. Fused Zamasu was literally constantly yelling how mortals are trash and was just blasting people from a safe distance. He was never trying to engage in close combat and was mostly blocking attacks before blasting people away from him and that was until vegito happened and even then here he was mostly just throwing punch until something hit out of anger because a filthy mortal dare to fight against him. We know both zamasu (pre and post goku black ) are very skilled close combat fighter and fused zamasu is just a very strong zamasu. Just re watch the episodes. Compare how zamasu and goku blacks were fighting VS how fused zamasu fight. Its specially obvious when you remember how zamasu was fully taking advantage of the immortality thing when he let goku black stab someone through him because he knew black's atk wouldn't affect him. Conclusion, if fused zamasu was fighting seriously from the get go he would just charged at the trio without fearing anything. And if u re telling me "but he isn't completly immortal post fusion" , i m telling you that he clearly didn't know that until half his body started to turn purple.
@user-sc9kd1yw2x
@user-sc9kd1yw2x 2 месяца назад
@@drearydoll6305 if he fought seriously from the get go Zamasu would get cooked either way because Goku with a FP kamehameha or with the kaioken could’ve overpowered zamasu atp, also again he was trying either way against vegito he just couldn’t keep up in speed which was stated by vegito himself. Along with actively fighting against SOH Trunks. He just grew stronger during the fights via taking damage no proof of him NOT trying at all especially considering SOH trunks was going to kill him.
@FrostyTheNightmare
@FrostyTheNightmare 3 месяца назад
Where would you say LSSJ Broly would place? Just food for thought
@obi6057
@obi6057 3 месяца назад
When is the manga version
@halocake117
@halocake117 3 месяца назад
5:23 bruh
@ketto2034
@ketto2034 Месяц назад
I feel for Hit vs Goku Black (high ball) Goku black cockiness and willingness to take hits will be what takes him down sure Goku Black knows about Hit since he watched god tube but if anything that would entice Goku Black more knowing hit was able to grow with goku and break even the gods level of power without god ki not to mention he has no idea how dangerous Hit when going for the kill is like vs the hit that he saw to me it's basically like Goku vs Hit v2 where Goku knows somewhat about hit and knows his coming after him but Hit sends one attack and fully kills Goku Black
@Frankcarpg
@Frankcarpg 2 месяца назад
PLEASE DO THE MANGA
@Frankcarpg
@Frankcarpg 2 месяца назад
Also, I always see this video on my feed but I’ve been scared to binge an hour of DB content 😭
@BaconMinion
@BaconMinion 2 месяца назад
The whole notion of "the Saiyans were always just getting stronger" during the ToP is pure bad writing, all because they had to stuff in the newest strong man to bait people with when it comes to Goku.
@ShioSatou
@ShioSatou 2 месяца назад
I think that your scaling of Goku Black being comparable to Gohan and Freeza is quite inconsistent with the rest of the list given how you mention how both Goku, Vegeta and Gohan grow massively throughout the ToP, and thus Goku Black being comparable to or even above Goku from the previous arc isn't really that impressive at all here considering Freeza was able to go toe to toe with and withstand attacks from Hakaishin Toppo, and Gohan's strength is seemingly on the same level as Freeza's. I think a more accurate tier to put Goku Black into would be around the same power as Bergamo due to how both of them scale to a pre-ToP Blue Goku.
@ultimate_capper3643
@ultimate_capper3643 3 месяца назад
Hot take: Full Power/Limit Breaker Jiren is stronger than CUI Goku. Jiren was initially dominating Goku and even won a beam clash with ONE hand. It wasn’t until Goku got amped by the power of friendship (despite this a single kick from Jiren was able to send Goku flying whereas Goku needed several air punches to replicate the same thing) AND a rage boost that he finally managed to overpower Jiren.
@locomotivexxiii
@locomotivexxiii 3 месяца назад
………that would still mean that MUI Goku is stronger.
@ultimate_capper3643
@ultimate_capper3643 3 месяца назад
@@locomotivexxiii No it doesn’t. Unless rage is integral to a character’s power (I.E. Hulk), rage boosts shouldn’t count towards a character’s own power. Do you count BoG SS2 Vegeta being stronger than SS3 Goku because Vegeta briefly surpassed Goku via rage amp during the “My Bulma” scene? If the answer is no, then this shouldn’t apply to CUI Goku.
@flamingcat1101
@flamingcat1101 3 месяца назад
I could see this as Jiren struggled because of the form Ultra Instinct itself. He had a hard time hitting Goku making him waste energy and in wasting energy he lost what made him such a tank and tired himself out. ​@@ultimate_capper3643
@zayy4440
@zayy4440 3 месяца назад
​@ultimate_capper3643 the way ki works yeah lmao
@ultimate_capper3643
@ultimate_capper3643 3 месяца назад
@@zayy4440 ???? Elaborate?
@superfarful
@superfarful 3 месяца назад
Dragon ball straight up doesnt make sense anymore, even in the buu saga things were getting out of hand GT ending as good as it did should of been enough for everybody
@mds_main
@mds_main 3 месяца назад
Anilaza stronger than Kale: peace has been restored.
@BrassxKharii
@BrassxKharii 2 месяца назад
vegito would have beat zamasu if zamasu stopped yapping
@monaharry4317
@monaharry4317 3 месяца назад
Krillin should be in Z teir if movies are included. Guy was the only one who could come in and save piccolo from cell max. You can visibly see cell's foot be pushed away when Krillin got involved. Also apparently not even goku or vegeta could take on cell from some statements.. This show ain't ever going to make sesnse
@waveykhalz4881
@waveykhalz4881 12 дней назад
Vegiot and gogeta are Z tier
@Ringoismybirdo
@Ringoismybirdo 2 месяца назад
The power scaling is just trash like bruh
@it_is_i_deo
@it_is_i_deo 2 месяца назад
You've got some god awful mic popping just littered throughout the video. That's my only criticism.
@1DAR26
@1DAR26 3 месяца назад
When it comes to No.17 you missed and overlooked crucial points. 1. Toppo and SSB Goku was about dead even with each other. Goku was able to edge out the victory with his Warp Kamehameha. Now, this is where paying attention to key details comes into play. When proceeding to round 2 Toppo was going to use his full power in BASE. Goku responded with Blue Kaio-ken. This tells us that a full power base Toppo is equivalent to SSBKK from ×2-×10. This is because ×20 was being saved for Jiren and would've most definitely been enough for full power Toppo. Of course, if we scale SSBE Vegeta to SSBKK×20 Goku then we'll know Goku should have the power output to defeat Hakaishin Toppo. 2. Since we know Goku was forced to go Blue and 17 was able to stalemate that level of power while both admitting to still be holding back, tells us that No.17 is relevant to a full power SSB Goku. This would put him within SSB tier until... 3. When No.17 fought Toppo he was able to match Toppo's FULL POWER briefly. I say briefly because after the initial clash, Toppo had to pour more reserves, thus pushing the blast towards No.17. Remember, before firing the blast, Toppo said with "ALL" the justice he has within. This is Toppo utilizing his full power just to ring out No.17. Since we stated above that Toppo's full power is relevant to SSBKK×10 at max, this would place No.17 within Blue Kaio-ken to Blue Evolution tier. 4. No.17 vs Jiren is easily overlooked. I'm not going to discuss the sneak attack as we've seen many times in Dragon Ball that no matter how powerful you are, you can still take damage to those weaker when caught off guard. What I'm referring to is after the sneak attack. Jiren dashes towards 17 angry and No.17 blasts a barrage of Ki Blasts at him. These barrage of blast forced Jiren back to a standstill. That's right. No.17, ON HIS OWN, was able to push Jiren to a standstill all on his own. Now, his final impressive feat is his Final or Ultimate Barrier. The multiple barriers he stacked to withstand Jiren's massive ball of energy. At first, he actually stopped it. Jiren had to PUSH more force into the blast in order to power through the layers of barriers. This is no different from when Kid Buu was able to hold back the Super Spirit Bomb from Goku with energy gathered throughout the universe and of course Jiren's bout with the technique as well. To conclude, No.17 would be at a Blue Kaio-ken to Blue Evolution tier based on the points I've provided.
@bitfusionsouthafrica
@bitfusionsouthafrica 2 месяца назад
Vegitto weakens Fused Zamasu for Trunks to beat him 🤔
@thunderlifestudios
@thunderlifestudios Месяц назад
And that the spirit bomb supposedly does extra damage to evil beings
@bitfusionsouthafrica
@bitfusionsouthafrica Месяц назад
@@thunderlifestudios yes, it's mentioned in the Saiyan Saga when it bounces off Krillin and Gohan but damages Vegeta.
@mikaelcesar99
@mikaelcesar99 Месяц назад
How is golden frieza weaker than kale, she’s at most god goku level and golden frieza is on par with SSB goku
@georgeshaw4017
@georgeshaw4017 Месяц назад
Actually Golden Freiza was stronger than SSB Goku said directly by Goku in Resurrection F. He just burned though his power too fast and had stamina issues.
@mikaelcesar99
@mikaelcesar99 Месяц назад
@@georgeshaw4017 goku and frieza were on par right before the tournament of power, they knocked each other out in their respective forms
@georgeshaw4017
@georgeshaw4017 Месяц назад
@@mikaelcesar99 Well I mean though you are still right, I don't know why Kale is stronger than Golden Frieza on this list. This list kinda is a bit shakey....
@mergen5218
@mergen5218 3 месяца назад
*Promo sm*
@WhiteSupreme
@WhiteSupreme 2 месяца назад
Power levels are so stupid that Super actually made me hate Z so much.
@DeezNutsBenis-dw6wo
@DeezNutsBenis-dw6wo Месяц назад
Where's tier E and F?
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