How Do The Thousand Sons Maintain Their Numbers? - 40K Theories 

*READ THIS FIRST* : I made a slight error regarding the Spear of Russ. Turns out it *wasn't* destroyed when it was cast into the portal, but it would be lost to the chapter for many years. Ragnar Blackmane would eventually retrieve it.

“How do they make new Thousand Sons? Well, when a Thousand Daddies love a Thousand Mommies very much...”

You see, once a rubric marine dies, some poor schmuck grabs a brush, pan and flex seal...

At least they arent sitting around and collecting dust.

Technically, the Rubric *was* a success as the Thousand Sons no longer suffer with flesh change. True, that's because they don't *have* flesh anymore, but still.

Rubricae are feared and dangerous...... Until you forget your library card.

They actually recruit normal marines and told them to act as automatons

They just fill up old sets of armor with sand and send them out.

They could just ask the Blood Ravens nicely lol

Ahriman and the participants of the rubric should've taken into consideration the "law of equivalent exchange". They basically made a Full Metal Alchemist mistake. Lol

So, like the Tomb Kings. A pool of souls that gets summoned over and over.

The way you described Hellbrutes made me picture the thousand sons standing there with a chaos-lemonaid stand attracting other chaos marines

The real question is just wtf Big E was thinking when he designed these guys. You were trying to prevent all knowledge of the Warp but you made an entire legion of Psychically sensitive marines? What? What's the logic here? Sometimes I swear he was *trying* to cause betrayal.

Gradually they'll become an all-sorcerer legion, to counter the Grey Knights.

"Hey little boy. You want some magic candy?"

It's an interesting question. I've always thought they preferred psykers for recruits, but I didn't know if they _had_ to be psykers, so to speak. It never occurred to me about lacking geneseed.

Simply, they grow them on a field like daisies. In Swedish Tusensönerna (the thousand sons) = Tusenskönorna (oxeye/daisy) So the expression "pushing up the daisies" makes this a selfsufficient circle of life. I still wonder how asdrubael vect got the name for his boat "dais of destruction" it might be related. Maybe that's the bee polinating?

I hear they clean attics and collect the dust to make more marines! I hear something called "Swiffer" are their mortal enemies...

8:55 - Ooh, that excerpt gave me chills. Good read!

I've said thos before, but anyone else notice a whole bunch of parallels between the Rubricae and Necrons?!

All is dust, is that not right my brothers? *rubric marines just stare* Oh yeah... dust

They each have a thousand sons. I've cracked the code

Your timing is incredible! Always right before I’m about to go to bed. I tune in every time!

I knew it! They have no bodies really, so they're just an army of living armor. With sorcerors at their helm, the Rubric marines could be remotely repaired and used again. Or personally. Doesn't matter. Fact is that you don't need new soldiers. Although if I was them, I'd find a way to force the flesh change and put the rubric on new guys as well. Imagine, 10,000 living suits of armor...

Perhaps each marine is forced to sire a thousand sons? Rubricae are all dust except for their cyberdongs?

They empty some hoovers into a suit of armor and mumble some gibberish

Well as a sons player here's a little trade secret! Whenever you go into battle make sure you bring a portable vacuum! Cant waste that precious angry dust.

i appreciate all the hard work you guys do to get these videos up. thank you

clearly the thousand sons hang out outside other chapter's bases in a van with "Free Candy" spray painted on the side

Gene seed multiply over time as well making it possible that thousands have been made over the centuries from the sorcerers. Also they could in theory just summon more Rubric marines.

Some marines call for an apothecary they call for a Hoover

Given that some Thousand sons left with their Rubrics to either strike out on their own or join other Legions and how the Thousand Sons Codex describes how the Legion is now organised they must have found some way of creating more Rubricae and Scarab Occult otherwise the formations and groups described would be REALLY small, impractically so. It's entirely possible that now that Ahriman is back in Magnus' goodbooks (somehow) that the intimate knowledge of the workings of the Rubric is in Magnus and the legions hands so they could be creating more, as otherwise with how risky it is to bring back Rubricae and their constant conflicts with the Space Wolves they'd likely be reduced to a handful, notwithstanding that if they were reduced to a Thousand, which may be hearsay as I think Inferno mentions that they survived Prospero with a fair bit more than that, there's also those exiled, and not all of them would have returned, I.E. those with Iskander Khayon.

This sounds like a series of books that would lead up to some epic event.

Thats a damn amazing and enchanting voice!

A very extremely awesome video as always 40k Theories.

"How Do The Thousand Sons Maintain Their Numbers?"... yeah! don't you hate when those pesky astartes change their phone numbers?

Rubric also known as dust sniffers

Great video!

Spear of Russ wasn't destroyed, Ragnar throws it at Magnus and then gets exiled for it but in the last of the Space Wolf novels they get it back. Still a very interesting vid tho! Thanks for giving me something to paint to.

do you think if you tried to get geneseed from Magnus, would said geneseed look like Buffalo Wings?

Rise and shine... Mr Rubric... Rise and shine... Wake up, Mr Rubric. Wake up and smell the ashes.

By scraping up some dust and putting it in a suit of power armour I assume.

Finallllly, a Thousand Sons vid !

In the book Treacheries of the Space Marines their is a short story called The Master’s Bidding in which the Thousand Sons sorcerer Corven admits to being recruited into the legion in M41

10:00 So the soul of a space marine in the warp can fend off daemons for millenia? Interesting...

Liking how the Tyranid theme from DoW 2 was used as the background music.

Yesssss some TS knowledge.

Surely if they'd managed to reverse the rubic then they would reaquire the flesh change? Probably with a vengeance.

I'd thought they'd try to convince their loyalist kin to rejoin, but nope the loyal sons of Magnus barely even budge.

Here's my take: Tzeentch didn't save the T-sons [a largely loyal chapter]; neither did the rubric. The sorcerers surviving the horrors of Prospero and the events that lead to it suffer from severe PTSD. This manifests, as the Rubricae forcing them to relive their brethren's' deaths over and over again while clinging to the delusion that the past can be undone. Literally the T-sons are haunted by their past. The Thousand Sons for their part continue to commit grievous atrocities in pursuit of the hope that they can somehow restore their long dead brethren, when in fact they only end up replicating the events that drove them to madness in the first place. This forces them further and further into the clutches of Teentch the very god responsible for their sorrows. Pity the man that remains sane to the bitter end.

Can Magnus the Red be converted from traitor to Loyalist?

The Aeldari know a way to turn the Rubric back into flesh again as detailed in the Thousand Sons codex: "Yvraine - the Ynnari emissary of the recently awakened God of the Dead - demonstrates the power she xan offer by restoring to life a dozen Rubric Marines. The ressurected Thousand Sons are staggered by their sudden awakening, knowing not where they are or who they fight, yet they recognise their battle-brother Ahzek Ahriman whom they have not beheld with living eyes for ten millenia." They are pulled into the void of the webway during the fight so Ahriman cannot study them but it is clear that they can be changed back to normal.

They go around and empty out the vacuum bags

9:28 Hey, I've actually read that one! :D

Yo 40K Theories keep it up!!! I need it!! (Butchers Nails kicking in) excuse me!!!

Well, the Spear wasn't destroyed when Ragnar used it to break the ritual. As part of his "redemption" (Ragnar's) was in eventually recovering the spear, yes?

They should just befriend that eldar chick and have her bring them back.

I just imaged the sorcerers go around with mason jars trying to recollect the dust and put it in new armor

Could this be a joke theory "Why does the master of the AdMech armoury hate transports?"

The thousand Sons are the coolest looking Space marine traitor chapter. I am just kissed they were forced into becoming chaos because of the Space wolves.

I'm not sure that Ragnar destroyed the spear cause I believe he put that same spear through Magnus' eye and was then retrieved later on.

Could they use the emperor's sword as a catalyst for another attempt at the ritual or would it have to be the spear of russ?

it actually says in the codex that they are capable of resurrecting the rubrics

Thought: Maybe the ritual that recruits new sorcerors into the thousand sons turns those that die in the process into new rubrics?

We are all dust, dust in the wind

I thought Chaos astartes had to steal geneseed from loyalist chapters? That the warp corrupts their progeoid glands to a point where they are essentially useless

now i want to see what happen if the necrons vs the Thousand Sons and who would win

Seems like Big E tweaked the Sons to withstand the psychological effects from fighting chaos and it backfired. Similar effect to Eldar Wraithguard but in reverse sorta

Of all the Chaos warbands, being captured by the Thousand Sons, even if a weak psyker, is a better fate for most Imperial Citizens than on their respective home planet. The Thousand Sons recruit many normal humans into the ranks of thrall wizards, where they are trained and serve the cabal in exchange for knowledge. Supposedly, being a thrall wizard is not a bad fate, as some may even reach leadership within the Thousand Sons. On a side note, I remember reading about a Raven Guard Librarian meeting a Sanctioned Psyker over use of the Emperor's Tarot, the Librarian seemed to hold the Sanctioned Psyker as a comrade, unlike Space Marines to Guardsmen. I don't think it's much of a stretch that Thousand Sons would have held a similar view to recruits, as psykers share the same worldview, even if traitor.

Hmm good info.

Hey which page was the passage from Ahriman Exile was it in the book?

My favourite Traitor Legion.

They get butterfly nets, capture the souls of their brothers, stick them back into their armor, and flex tape it shut.

This is one of our most well kept secrets how the fuck did you get this information?!?

I got to see the rubric Marines somewhere to necrons but they still have their soles and necrons don't well they're both space Egyptian Salinas

Collect up all the dust in their homes and put it inside empty suits of power armour.

I would think that the answer is in the name, very prolific.

Oh Look! Pre-Necron Necrons... Now, if Arnold hadn't coined "I'll Be Back" once upon a time, would there ever have been Necrons? There is an interesting question.

It is simple, they are called Blood Ravens ;)

They're more Necron Marines than Chaos Marines...

Rubrics are made of warp dust. Change my mind!

They just empty their ashtrays inside the suits of armor

Magic.

I saw a tweet saying that due to their screening process and astartes conversion processed being bolstered by sorcery instead, it’s possible to have female thousand sons (female sons lmao). Dunno how valid it is, but food for thought

Huh dust haha

Bet Crawl fixed the Rubric somehow.... him or Bile. Actually on a side note, a book with the two of them interacting would be fascinating!

how has magnus not learned how to make gene seed from tzeentch yet? thats what Big E had to do right? idk but then that would give chaos too much of an edge. tzeench only plays on the hardest difficulty settings heh

The nicked a resurrection orb from the Necrons. The Necrons are very cross.

I dunno man. The more I hear about chaos marines trying to replenish their number the more I begin the think on how is it possible that the legions aren't already extinct or at least so under strength that calling them legions is a moot point. I mean they suffered grevious losses during the horus heresy and the scouring, and most stories I've read tend to show chaos marines being killed off entirely or at least suffering serious casualties. They just dont have the resources or capabilities of replenishing their stocks. I mean shouldn't it be that in the current time of 40k that loyalist space marines significantly outnumber all chaos marines? I know occasionally some chapters, companies, squads and individuals switch over but not nearly enough to support chaos and definatly doesn't explain the legions themselves being major forces in their own right I dunno. It's been on my mind lately since I started going the three horus heresy books. Marines die like its going out of fashion in some of those.

Walking dustbins

*_ALL IS DUUUUUUUUST_*

we already had that...

They magical ressurect up to 1000 since they were dead anyways after Prospero?

Do the Rubricae have to be trapped in the original armor they were wearing or can they be "entombed" in any type of astartes power armor? Also, are there any Rubric Terminators?

Dust pan and shovel and the dust is put nto a new set of armour

Demon Primarchs can still produce genetic material. They just have to get approval from the patron God first. Tzeentch keeps Magnus‘s gene stock in reserve, for when new recruits must be brought into the fold.

May Magnus one day sweep the dust off the Golden throne and sit upon his rightful empire

The answer is they shouldn't they should be dying out. All chaos space Marines should be getting weaker over time but it does not fit the plan

I would like to see the imperium release the gene seed of the thousand sons and make a new chapter of primaris space marines. I know the imperium wouldn’t actually call the new chapter the thousand sons. It would be an imperial secret of the highest secrecy and only known within the chapter what they really were. Just a thought for future lore.

What if Magnus became a demonhost, hosted in an Astartes body? Would they be able to produce Geneseed again?