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@skarnl
@skarnl 4 года назад
"Please don't fax us" 🤣
@nygamery
@nygamery 4 года назад
How do you fax a vhs tape?
@ZachX888
@ZachX888 4 года назад
@@nygamery Yeah that is ALSO a question I have.
@goblin3810
@goblin3810 4 года назад
The guy who does the voice is the only 1 I respect at all fro. the esrb
@eginteractive
@eginteractive 3 года назад
@@nygamery They'd fax "screenshots" by fax, and considering that 99% of fax machines are black and white, means a lot toner / ink was was probably getting wasted, not to mention you wouldn't be able to clearly see details in the game due to the low resolution.
@nygamery
@nygamery 3 года назад
@@eginteractive So a black & white flipbook, I guess that can work. 🖨
@0RecklessAbandon0
@0RecklessAbandon0 4 года назад
I'm hopelessly distracted by the squished face on one of these guy's shirts.
@ramherrump
@ramherrump 4 года назад
I'm more distracted by his right arm being twice the size of his left
@shagral_
@shagral_ 4 года назад
@@ramherrump maybe it's just distortion from wide-angle lens. but yeah, creepy
@TheBluestank
@TheBluestank 4 года назад
He has some deviation on one eye, I believe his left one, so he could have had some neurological injury or congenital problem that could have caused that.
@0RecklessAbandon0
@0RecklessAbandon0 4 года назад
@@TheBluestank I was specifically talking about his T Shirt. It almost looks like a pic of Tommy Wiseau
@michaelfifer2409
@michaelfifer2409 4 года назад
@@0RecklessAbandon0 I'm not 100% sure, but I believe it's a picture of Death from Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey
@sighrelief
@sighrelief 4 года назад
comment section: ugh you were so toothless and you didn't pressure them on any of the hard questions me: why didn't you ask them about Hot Coffee
@jellorelic
@jellorelic 4 года назад
@@mikkelens - That's why it's such an interesting question. That mod coming to light caused a huge issue and resulted in GTA getting re-rated. Which meant R* had to change the physical packaging of all games already in stores or recall them then produce a new master with that content actually removed. The question of how ratings interact with user modifying games, accessing content that's not normally in the game space, etc is one of the more interesting areas of their work and one with the least clear answers currently.
@Leamsi
@Leamsi 4 года назад
He talked about it on his podcast
@doonishsan
@doonishsan 4 года назад
yeah but it wasn't, it was already in the game and then rockstar shut it. Then, the mod comes in
@b3rzzz
@b3rzzz 4 года назад
they actually need to introduce, the "I" rating, for incomplete game.
@StevenHarmonGames
@StevenHarmonGames 4 года назад
No modern game is ever complete at launch anymore.
@i_fish6657
@i_fish6657 4 года назад
Its already a thing it's called EA Early Access
@startrekmike
@startrekmike 4 года назад
How would they define that? I mean, for you, a "incomplete game" might be one that happens to have upcoming expansion content. For someone else, a "incomplete game" is one that is missing core, clearly stated features on release. The idea of a "incomplete game" would have to be clearly defined and that definition would probably not be what you PERSONALLY want it to be.
@SufferDYT
@SufferDYT 4 года назад
@@startrekmike His comment was a stab at the AAA games industry releasing crap unfinished products at launch like Mass Effect Andromeda and the like, not a serious suggestion.
@ZachX888
@ZachX888 4 года назад
@@i_fish6657 That is the best comment ever, thank you for making it.
@HalfpennyTerwilliger
@HalfpennyTerwilliger 4 года назад
So the ESRB is there to "protect children" and focuses on things like nudity, language, blood and violence. Concerns born in the 90's. They do not seem focused on today's issues. Like protecting kids from microtransactions, ingame advertisement, abuse of user data, psychological manipulation to push monetisation and user retention, etc. They already have a hard time working around their past missions and they have yet to address cureent issues. It seems to me that, willingly or not (it's difficult not to consider them being part of the esa here), they are outdated.
@mormegil231
@mormegil231 4 года назад
In the end the day the standards are set by the ESA. Until the government forces these updated standards on to the ESA you will not see the ESRB changing. It is obvious that the industry does not want to self regulate on the topics you just mentioned since they make a lot of money out of them. Just like the first time a legislator must make them.
@SuperHansimann
@SuperHansimann 4 года назад
Seemed like the rating were more for parents than children
@listofromantics
@listofromantics 4 года назад
No, the ESRB is there to protect the AAA industry's profits and to avoid any true, independent 3rd party regulators. They give the illusion of oversight to the general public, buty they are the inmates running the asylum. At their heart, they do what's best for the AAA publishers / corporations, not consumers.
@auoro
@auoro 4 года назад
You nailed.
@ErrEff
@ErrEff 4 года назад
Ultimately the ESRB serves the interests of publishers, not the public. They only "protect" consumers because they want to maintain a buffer between themselves and government oversight.
@transimpedance
@transimpedance 4 года назад
I feel like noclip handled the interviews well. He asked the questions on people's mind, and let the esrb people give their response. It's now up to us to decide whether we agree or disagree with them, not for noclip to grill them over. I do think the esrb does a good job with rating the game industry. There have been some controversies, but for the most part the ratings have done a lot of good. Handling the rating of a massive amount of games is an incredibly difficult task. The way they describe the algorithms' output being customizable to each region sounds amazing. Either the esrb has some genius coders or it doesn't work great lol much love
@cfdeers
@cfdeers 4 года назад
The only problem is that they classify what is essentially gambling as rated E for everyone. But it's not even their fault. It's not violent/sexual or as it's called "pertinent content", so the publisher/developer can keep it out of the rating as it's not a gameplay mechanic. It's companies like EA, Ubisoft, and Activision's fault.
@SaltyFrenchFries
@SaltyFrenchFries 4 года назад
Well said. I love the channel's attitude of objective journalism without using outrage and drama to share engaging stories and accounts.
@cremvursti
@cremvursti 4 года назад
Nice try ESRB Also, as a journalist, you gotta put in the hard questions and not allow the person you're interviewing to deflect. Considering all the Noclip docs are paid with Patreon money, this just seems like a big waste. 44 minutes of literally nothing new, just a bunch of people trying to convince us they're "hip", even though they were still USING VHS tapes 10 years ago.
@Noodles1771
@Noodles1771 4 года назад
Pro-Corporate Propaganda, a puff-piece masquerading as an informative documentary and journalism. The video doesn't bother pushing back on the ESRB's ridiculous claim loot boxes aren't gambling *DESPITE THE FACT* it has been classified as such in *SEVERAL* countries, nor does Danny bother to point out the obvious *CONFLICT OF INTEREST* in an industry policing itself when profits are at stake (apparently money and influence via trade associations like the ESA shouldn't be regarded as a thing in the countries that don't see loot boxes as gambling). And when has the head of the ESRB *EVER* conflicted with the board of the ESA that is ALSO the board of the ESRB to demonstrate her *"INDEPENDENCE & AUTONOMY?"* A question Danny of course never asks. I hope Noclip loses patrons over this obscene and gross obfuscation of the issues and backstabbing of the everyday people that have supported his work.
@Shinkajo
@Shinkajo 4 года назад
Ratings are bullshit. I never cared for them and i couldn't care less for them for my children. Parents are morons. I mean how many movies has PG13 ruined? It all comes down to money in the end, not ethics.
@GundamGokuTV
@GundamGokuTV 4 года назад
Pretty sure parents care if gambling is in a game Pat. ffs The Belgians, Dutch and British has already said that Loot Boxes do meet the criteria of Gambling. They are illegal in some of these countries and the UK could be joining them soon. Also the ESRB rating isn't just for Parents. I look at a rating when deciding what I want to play. You are a part of the ESA. The board of the ESA is made up of CEOs from some of the largest studios and publishers in the industry. That is a major conflict of interest. They don't want to regulate loot boxes because it is making them an insane amount of money. That is easy as hell to see with all due respect, NBA 2K20 has a literal slot machine and a pachinko machine. NBA 2K20 IS RATED E FOR EVERYONE. That's gambling. Gambling should not be in a children's game. Gambling is only for adults. If gambling is in a game the game should be Rated M, this is not fucking hard.
@lucasgreer1736
@lucasgreer1736 3 года назад
Pokemon has slot machines. Do you say pokemon should be rated M?
@garronjohnson483
@garronjohnson483 3 года назад
Actually if its only for adults it would be rated A
@wclifton968gameplaystutorials
@wclifton968gameplaystutorials 3 года назад
does the game force you to gamble your money away? is the "gambling" addictive? if its not any of these things then it should NOT be rated [M] or [18+] let alone [AO] or really anything more than [T] or [12+] if your rating on the gambling alone. I don't think a Basketball game should be rated [M] or [18+] but [E-10+] or [7+] instead if it has any form of gambling...
@Suggo
@Suggo 3 года назад
@@lucasgreer1736 I'm pretty sure singleplayer Pokemon games didn't let kids gamble with real money. Unlike NBA, FIFA, and many more. Regulate lootbox/gambling systems. It's better for everyone, except for the greedy.
@fioree2532
@fioree2532 3 года назад
Is this comment section literally advocating for gambling in games like NBA 2K20? Serious?
@uraletz
@uraletz 4 года назад
"Loot boxes isn't gambling." Looks like lobbying did it's work.
@Scienceboy0
@Scienceboy0 4 года назад
@Lizardguy The odd thing about trading cards is that secondary markets allow for people to buy cards individually. You can have websites and stores selling individual cards to get around that gambling. I would say that card games like that are gambling, but since there is a way to circumvent the gambling in a way, it kind of works. The problem with lootboxes and digital things like that are there isn't that secondary market. The only way to get these things is from lootboxes, or a currency/buyback system designed by the same companies who sell the lootboxes.
@orijimi
@orijimi 4 года назад
@Azra Rillian Because the winnings are non-fungible. The government doesn't care about the negative impact this has on people, they only care about knowing where the money is.
@uraletz
@uraletz 4 года назад
@Lizardguy you're right, it's worse than gambling.
@uraletz
@uraletz 4 года назад
@Azra Rillian there are some countries that have banned loot boxes because of this issue. I'm not going to go into details about something you can easily Google yourself.
@boxhead6177
@boxhead6177 4 года назад
I also like how she is proud they have "Content Descriptors" (also pretty sure Australia was first)... but none of them are for "Loot Boxes" which are what people and parents are asking for now. Also the NBA2K20 rating didn't have Gambling Real or Simulated... because the classification review copy build in July 2019 was months before the trailer that showed them!!! Video game manufacturers are exploiting early submissions to classification board to hide planned content until release date.
@Nowahz
@Nowahz 4 года назад
Apparently Gambling is E for everyone.
@SugoiShakka
@SugoiShakka 4 года назад
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
@martinramirez21
@martinramirez21 4 года назад
There are sometimes more blatant conflicts of interest with these private organisations than if a government agency rated the medium.
@TwisterzX0_VIII
@TwisterzX0_VIII 4 года назад
Blame EA
@craftedpixel
@craftedpixel 4 года назад
"online interactions not rated by esrb"
@Yctzofficial
@Yctzofficial 3 года назад
Dude gambling is ins sponge bob
@Aragorn7884
@Aragorn7884 4 года назад
Remember this is the same organization that doesn't think a slot machine microtransaction in NBA2K20 is gambling...
@mysterio1967
@mysterio1967 4 года назад
Aragorn7884 I thought that was PEGI
@Aragorn7884
@Aragorn7884 4 года назад
@@mysterio1967 Both, but you are partially correct.
@SteeIyDan
@SteeIyDan 4 года назад
actually, the slot machine mechanic is not linked to any microtransaction, it's only for in-game reward
@cooldead
@cooldead 4 года назад
Cuckboii that’s not the problem, Pokémon red and blue got a higher rating for having simulated slot machines... why doesn’t the same apply here?
@cosmecholeable
@cosmecholeable 4 года назад
@@cooldead that's pegi, esrb gave pokemon red en E
@DudeImHighhh
@DudeImHighhh 4 года назад
I was really hoping they'd ask about the GTA San Andreas Hot Coffee Mod debacle. It would've been interesting to see the ESRB perspective.
@Kinglink
@Kinglink 4 года назад
Sadly it's all about "lootboxes" now... Though even that has somehow calmed down with nothing being done about it.
@thelolmaster626
@thelolmaster626 4 года назад
@@Kinglink update:LAWSUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@JoseMonkeys
@JoseMonkeys 2 года назад
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
@leftblank
@leftblank 4 года назад
"self regulation is a great thing" "no we're not going to call loot boxes gambling" "parents don't know what loot boxes are" "parents don't care about loot boxes" Yeah GREAT JOB ESRB.
@madmanmax120
@madmanmax120 4 года назад
She said they explained lootboxes to parents and their biggest concern was spending. Their solution, though quite underwhelming, was to put the in app purchases tag on the rating
@peppage
@peppage 4 года назад
What she said makes a lot of sense. Most parents don't understand the term but don't want their kids spending real money. That's the main problem. If there were loot boxes and no way to buy them with real money we wouldn't be here. Parents need to take in game purchases seriously.
@bpcgos
@bpcgos 4 года назад
I would call the loot boxes mechanism more appropriately as "extortion mechanics" like what mafia did back in the day. You know, asking for security money to make sure your bussiness works fine but in the end of the day they are the one that create that insecurity themselves. While in game, the extortion mechanism work whether by creating the problem of rarity of some in game items or by limiting its time to get, or making it expensive to buy in ingame currency so that it requires constant grinding, and or make it occur only 100.000:1 chances in the loot boxes you get,etc. until it test your passion and temper and then they provide you solution of the problem they created, by paying some cash to them... So, just think of it, isnt that extortion mechanics? Parents would understand it better with that term.
@gigitrix
@gigitrix 4 года назад
Yeah, I think this is fair. I think ESRB will do a good enough job once this concern becomes unignorable, but it's going to take external pressure to get there. There might be a need for a cultural shift away from ratings being purely for parents, towards ratings being for "consumers" as a whole in order to bring this about. Either way it's a fascinating documentary.
@timogul
@timogul 4 года назад
@Lizardguy Gambling is placing an ante of money in exchange for a non-guaranteed chance at receiving something of value. That something of value *can* be more money, or something you could convert to money, but it does not have to be. Individual local laws on this may vary.
@Tiritomba99
@Tiritomba99 4 года назад
Q: So, how about you protecting children from gambling with lootboxes? A: Well technically they are not gambling according to some arcane rule we created, but let me tell you about parental controls! She should get into politics, avoiding an answer and redirecting to another subject is a valuable skill there.
@luriven4800
@luriven4800 4 года назад
I agree this should change, but these people didn’t define gambling. There are legal definitions that are entirely outdated.
@MrGamelover23
@MrGamelover23 4 года назад
@@Generic8864 what should they do, rate rocket league and fortnite M for gambling?
@exyzt9877
@exyzt9877 4 года назад
it's not gambling because of the fact that, the skins and stuff you get cannot be "sold back" as they say, in other words they don't have any real value, once you buy them the money stays as skins forever, and you can't get your money back, now if you could "refund" your skins and get more money than what you paid for THEN it'd be gambling
@michaelmonstar4276
@michaelmonstar4276 3 года назад
And corruption by getting paid off by bigger companies than yours, which seems to be the case here.
@chocov1233
@chocov1233 3 года назад
@@exyzt9877 So like gambling with no real potential benefits whatsoever besides you and other players seeing your cool skin or ability to pay to win?
@Matt_Man_94
@Matt_Man_94 4 года назад
"Parents don't care about if lootboxes are gambling, they just care about spending." Ok, well then maybe you should be helping them out here instead of just brushing it off.
@ekanastone
@ekanastone 4 года назад
Matt Skora they do, in game spending is labeled
@Matt_Man_94
@Matt_Man_94 4 года назад
Ekana Stone “in-game spending” is such a vast term, that’s not enough. That doesn’t differentiate stuff that you can just buy straight up from stuff like lootboxes where you pay for a random drop. And the psychological and ethical concerns are vastly different between those two things.
@oliverbrown5674
@oliverbrown5674 3 года назад
“We’re not gray haired old men in suits” -Gray Haired Old Man in a Suit
@moredetonation3755
@moredetonation3755 4 года назад
Founded to avoid government oversight of the games industry.
@davidpandolfo
@davidpandolfo 4 года назад
Just like the MPAA for the film industry
@Red_Lanterns_Rage
@Red_Lanterns_Rage 4 года назад
and with the greed of the corporations now games face govt regulation.....there's a sensation that comes to mind....it's on the tip of my tongue but what is it?? I wonder..... meh ....OH! yeah it's IRONY! it's ironic tha tthis is all happening now LMAO ^this has been pure sarcasm for everyone's entertainment
@moredetonation3755
@moredetonation3755 4 года назад
@@totlyepic and the government was going to step in if the industry hadn't "self-regulated." Did you watch the video?
@markvalenzo
@markvalenzo 4 года назад
Which often times can be a good thing, but not anymore. Looks like it really paid off for them that now they can run rampant on predatory practices with no repercussions.
@cacarey01
@cacarey01 4 года назад
Founded very quickly. I think thrown together was the term used
@DanteBogdan
@DanteBogdan 4 года назад
Pretty informative and I liked those 2 guys, but the boss seemed to dance around the lootbox problem which remains unsolved.
@moredetonation3755
@moredetonation3755 4 года назад
They genuinely seem interested in their job, but it also seems like they are subordinate to the capital that wants aggressive gambling allowed in children's games.
@DanteBogdan
@DanteBogdan 4 года назад
@@moredetonation3755 yeah, which is quite disappointing.
@FraserSouris
@FraserSouris 4 года назад
Games already have the "post purchases" label and parental controls already restrict it. It's not really a huge problem
@miecraftandmoregames
@miecraftandmoregames 4 года назад
with a 3 on gambling
@BreakfastAtNoon
@BreakfastAtNoon 4 года назад
Fifa is not for everyone it's pure gambling and dirty.
@sparksicho
@sparksicho 4 года назад
PEGI is in europe, but I agree. $$$
@TheAufziehvogel
@TheAufziehvogel 4 года назад
Documentary was highly interesting, enjoyed to watch it. It was a nice inside into a organization no one besides the Publishers knows about, and even they don't know much about the ESRB. I was kinda shocked when Noclip asked her about the Loot Boxes. She was baffled. It's like she wasn't prepared for this question. Yeah, I do think she don't have a proper answer why the ESRB and it's counterparts let companies like EA, Ubisoft and Acitvision slip through the radar. Her explanation was confusing and she solely relied that the platform holders regulating drops and contents of Lootboxes a little better now. There has to be a lot of work done. It almost sounded like she is fearing the big game publishers with their monetizations in videogames.
@miecraftandmoregames
@miecraftandmoregames 4 года назад
​@@TheAufziehvogel still haven't watched it, gonna do it soon. (this was more of a joke tweet) yeah, the rating boards are basically paid by the big videogame companies that's why they do baffling things like (in cvase of pegi, pegi 3 on nba2k20 with gambling). i am sure that most of the people below the executives on the ESRB and PEGI are just decent people but are probably influenced by their bosses on what ratings they give.
@boxhead6177
@boxhead6177 4 года назад
In Australia... NBA2k20 got the same general rating as PEGI and ESRB gave, the reason is as follows "On 1 July 2019, the Board (The Australian Classification Board) received an application under the Authorised Assessor Computer Games (AACG) Scheme to classify NBA 2k20, wherein a games industry assessor recommended a classification of G with consumer advice of ‘online interactivity’, having indicated in the written report that there were no classifiable elements, including gambling themes or elements, in the game. The Board is not required to conduct a full review of every report and recommendation received from an assessor and on this occasion, accepted the recommendation for a G rating, the consumer advice being ‘General, online interactivity’." That meant the classification board didn't see the game. The assessor made no report of gambling themes being present. The game was reviewed months before the "online gambling" youtube trailer was released. The interactive elements were simulated on an incomplete build or not present at time of testing.
@fatjesus1584
@fatjesus1584 4 года назад
My imagination, for some reason: Ahh, I bet it is just a bunch of disaffected bureaucrats at the ESRB wishing they were anywhere else Rocco Buffalino: Actually, I was born precisely to work here
@Shinkajo
@Shinkajo 4 года назад
There is something wrong with that guy and I'm not just talking about his crooked eye.
@XDBenjy
@XDBenjy 4 года назад
@@Shinkajo He doesn't seem real I mean, his history and all. A guy that likes Doom and also likes working has as a regulator and controller of wich fun game can or cannot a kid play, seems fishy
@kaibeasley5965
@kaibeasley5965 4 года назад
Benjamin Francisco Tapia Rostran you can like doom while still realizing that maybe it’s not the best for an 8 year old
@XDBenjy
@XDBenjy 4 года назад
@@kaibeasley5965 it's perfect, that's maybe the first time I tried Shadow of the Collossus or Jack and Daxter series, they all thought me so much, about games and life and steriotipes, it was my favorite media and got me into so much. Doom on the other hand I tried it in 2014, age 15, with the Brutal Doom mod, and live every part of it, the music, the action and all that helped me to get into PC shooters I would 100% teach my son Doom at that age or lower and also teach him what you should take out of games and the difference between games and reality. Being a bad parent is not an excuse to not teach your son the proper way to watch or play media and what constitutes their likes and dislikes
@SmoothTurtle840
@SmoothTurtle840 3 года назад
@@Shinkajo Not really, seems like a passionate guy who loves video games.
@Ragnarok2887
@Ragnarok2887 4 года назад
Still unconvinced by the ESRB's approach to the growing issue of gambling in games. This doc just reinforces the notion that they have their head in the sand about this and are unwilling to address the issue. Apart from that, another good doc Danny
@luizzeroxis
@luizzeroxis Год назад
It's important to remember that the ESRB is about informing parents. Is there any situation where a parent would be ok with their child spending money in a game, but only if it's not lootboxes? What they did (say that there's in game purchases) makes more sense, since parents care more about the spending itself rather than on what you spend on.
@Cinetiste
@Cinetiste 5 месяцев назад
​@@luizzeroxisYour point is valid. If I may, though, under another angle, two unadressed problems here is that, in online games, there is money spent without knowing for what, nor indicating the inconstant variable value of it, and even worst, what we spend for is never ours and will be eliminated some day, sooner or later. There should be some distinctions, even if we may wonder how, briefly...
@ThaZapa
@ThaZapa 4 года назад
"Parents are too stupid to know their kids are being exploited so we decided to just ignore it."
@mnstrz0
@mnstrz0 4 года назад
Expertly filmed, you don't get nearly enough credit for the cinematography and color of your shots. Amazing job as always.
@krow007
@krow007 4 года назад
While I'm not a parent, and am not the most idealistic person you'll meet, and I have my own opinions on what is(n't) appropriate for a child/teen/adult, I think this was a STELLAR interview and helped me understand why they have a really hard job, that only seems to attract negative attention. To the ESRB, THANK YOU for allowing this interview, and much love regardless of a specific decision or online representation of your disposition at some point in time. Thank you.
@isthe9484
@isthe9484 4 года назад
Quite simply put, they aren't needed, especially at the rates they dare to charge and especially now that the Internet exists. Simply give all games a default M rating then set up a website where gamers can report game content and vote on each other's reports. On average, within a week of release all content for a new game would be reported and the parent can decide whether or not that content is okay for their kid. Parents themselves can even participate if they find something that no one else found. As is, the ESRB is way more of a development road block than it is worth.
@jellorelic
@jellorelic 4 года назад
@@isthe9484 - "just release things and let the crowd rate them after they hit retail" is a truly, truly terrible idea.
@ZZI44418
@ZZI44418 4 года назад
Imagine doing a gameplay presentation of an adult visual novel, and then explaining the events that lead to it and the action...
@Istreakilaz
@Istreakilaz 3 года назад
depending on the developer... it can range from being a humorous add-on fv to a complete nonsensical shitfest.... So either way, funny af to watch (although not to work with on the ratings side i assume)
@cooldead
@cooldead 4 года назад
Don’t forget that Strauss Zelnick Guy who owns the company that owns Take Two... is a chairman of the esrb
@LockeTheCole
@LockeTheCole 4 года назад
Weird how Rockstar/Take Two were called out as "some of the most compliant publishers out there" by them, huh?
@JG-ib7xk
@JG-ib7xk 4 года назад
@@LockeTheCole they werent called out, danny put footage and your child mind was easily bought.
@LockeTheCole
@LockeTheCole 4 года назад
@@JG-ib7xk Or it was pretty damn obvious from what he said that he was referring to Rockstar and their many controversies so Danny put that footage in there. Footage that I didn't need to know who was being referred to.
@90msg90
@90msg90 4 года назад
AngryJoeShow and his debocle with NBA 2k20 ESRB rating made me even more interested in this.
@TheAronDark
@TheAronDark 4 года назад
I can not wait for his video.
@boxhead6177
@boxhead6177 4 года назад
I asked the Australian Classification Board why they didn't mention gambling themes/elements in their classification. It wasn't reviewed by them it was an independent assessor in July... the assessors reports made no mention of it either. Cause it was months before the "gambling" trailer hit youtube. I don't think the reviewers ever saw an early build of the game!
@BigChiken44
@BigChiken44 4 года назад
AngryJoe is histerical idiot, all the time
@DCMaarten
@DCMaarten 4 года назад
"Loot boxes isn't gambling." Belgium The Netherlands Denmark etc. all disagree maybe check that statement again?
@TheCoolcg10
@TheCoolcg10 4 года назад
Not gambling by United States standards. Other countries have different laws regarding gambling.
@MorriganJade
@MorriganJade 4 года назад
Depending on its implementation, I find loot boxes mostly the same as Magic cards.
@loran1212
@loran1212 4 года назад
While I personally believe it is, ESRB doesn't cover the countries you mention. In Denmark the agency on the boxes is PEGI.
@waifubreaks1572
@waifubreaks1572 4 года назад
Europeans are the reason Pokemon games don't have the game corner anymore.
@StealthDocs
@StealthDocs 4 года назад
Welcome to a world where violent content matters more than gateway mechanics to developing a gambling habit, I guess. -_-
@JamesBond007Nejc
@JamesBond007Nejc 4 года назад
Welcome to world where ******* constantly whine about something and use KIDS as excuse. Just don't give them credit cards idiots.
@vivena9
@vivena9 4 года назад
@@JamesBond007Nejc Most people online who have a hard on for lootboxes probably coudn't get kids even if they wanted to lol
@turgger316
@turgger316 4 года назад
Until the day when politicians stop laying the blame of mass shootings to video games and characterizing mass shooters as having been trained by video games then we can have an honest discussion about gambling habits. The world you speak of has been around since the columbine shooting in ‘99 and since then there have been countless news reports attributing violent behavior to video games so can you really blame them.
@aimwell8813
@aimwell8813 4 года назад
turgger316 The classic “games cause violence”. If they got over it, the world would be a lot better. The only thing gaming that people on the news like is VR, but that’s VR used in non-gaming purposes.
@iamaidansmith7542
@iamaidansmith7542 3 года назад
@@aimwell8813 I know as a vr gamer they never talk about well done vr games just other vr less incredible uses for vr
@GamersCast
@GamersCast 4 года назад
Kind of wish you went into not only Hot Coffee, but the Manhunt 2 and Oblivion rating controversies. Would've been really interesting to get insight since ESRB doesn't really have many major scandals.
@clearandsweet
@clearandsweet 4 года назад
Wow I'm amazed at how rational everyone interviewed is. Stuff like encouraging back and forth, laying all the guidelines out there, understanding and asking for all the context. That's seriously impressive. Also fantastic topic btw.
@NoclipDocs
@NoclipDocs 4 года назад
Cheers!
@d.c.stranded7134
@d.c.stranded7134 4 года назад
When I first heard this video was happening I was thinking "Angry Joe, YongYea, Jim Sterling and etc. are going to be interested in this" but after hearing the introduction I'm like now I'm starting to think this "loot box drama" is the reason is video exists to begin with. So like in the 25 years you've been around you only now decide to open your doors and it just so happens to occur around the time of the "sports games are casinos for kids" allegations? Okay then
@SmoothTurtle840
@SmoothTurtle840 3 года назад
You realize that nearly everyone who spends loads of money on sports games are full-grown adults, right?
@Sinebeast
@Sinebeast 4 года назад
So if you are a parent and a gamer, contact the ESRB and start lobbying for more regulations on lootboxes/gambling. Since it looks like gamer voices don't matter, only parents do.
@michaelmonstar4276
@michaelmonstar4276 3 года назад
I'm a parent... ...in The Sims.
@midknight1339
@midknight1339 4 года назад
I think the ESRB actually brings up an interesting point. At the end of the day, their job isn't to restrict content in video games; it's to inform parents of whatever content they might be concerned with. If we assume that whatever A/B-esque tests they ran on parents actually said that parents are mostly concerned with the spending part of lootboxes, then the "in-game purchases" label would suffice for ESRB. Restricting the content of video games is the job of the government. If the government were to define lootboxes as gambling, they could theoretically try to force the ESRB to rate all lootbox-heavy games as M. But as it stands, I think the ESRB is doing what it's required/meant to do. Changing those requirements is probably necessary, but outside of ESRB's control.
@imdstine47
@imdstine47 4 года назад
Very few people are asking them to restrict content, but instead to rate it properly. Gambling is an adult-only activity. Studies have shown (see the UK regulator's findings on the subject) that loot box mechanics, if not directly gambling which really it is in everything but law, can cause addictive behavior. These systems are not being clearly and properly explained to a parent who can't tell the difference between an in-game purchase being a consumer friendly DLC and a predatory macro-transaction scheme. It is their job to explain this sort of pertinent information to parents, not to sit by and let publishers sell digital casinos to kids with an E for Everyone label on it.
@cizd
@cizd 4 года назад
I think if that was the mission they've already lost. The majority of parents will let their 8 year old play 13+ games at this point. The ratings are clearly out of touch.
@midknight1339
@midknight1339 4 года назад
@@cizd That's an interesting point. But on the other hand, they still provide useful information for parents. The ESRB ratings are suggestions for parents, not guidelines. If parents choose to let their kids play T-rated games, they're still looking at the ESRB T-ratings to make their decision.
@Relf_G
@Relf_G 4 года назад
@@cizd What the parents do after they're informed is a different thing. ESRB atm is doing nothing significant to inform parents about games rated E for everyone that have gambling in them.
@CalebHatesGames
@CalebHatesGames 4 года назад
I've always wanted to see behind their doors, and I'm extremely happy to hear that you guys were the first. Great job as always! And I'm definitely not anti-ESRB, but I have to say that their stance on lootboxes is definitely a bit strange. I would think there to be more harm done in choosing to overlook it rather than policing it, but I'd be more than willing to hear a better explanation as to why I'm incorrect.
@michaelmonstar4276
@michaelmonstar4276 3 года назад
It's more than a little strange, it's alarming. - So no, you're not incorrect, everyone is with you on that it shouldn't be overlooked. - They're just somehow pressured to do so, which smells like corruption or bribery.
@MsNerdine
@MsNerdine 4 года назад
3:46 that thigh gap wtf
@orijimi
@orijimi 4 года назад
Primo Mike Krahulik.
@birdeynamnam
@birdeynamnam 4 года назад
😂😂😂😂
@HDZ274
@HDZ274 4 года назад
Art.
@gearsoftime9375
@gearsoftime9375 4 года назад
E for everyone
@michaelmonstar4276
@michaelmonstar4276 3 года назад
Extra safe with no camel-toe or package.
@peterboda1737
@peterboda1737 4 года назад
Having worked on the submission process, this was entirely fun personally. I'd interacted with all but Pat directly, and it was quite nice to see the faces behind the emails. Having emailed Dave what felt like daily for so long, and never knowing that was his voice on the sample package is amazing. I still disagree with the outcome of how lootboxes were handled, but that was an ESA decision. Solid work, there were definitely some touchy subjects to go through but I think it was presented fairly.
@wizzzer1337
@wizzzer1337 4 года назад
the virgin ESRB vs the Chad PEGI
@m1569752
@m1569752 4 года назад
Lootboxes are simulated gambling. Why did you not press harder on that question? A followup like, how are lootboxes not simulated gambling would have been good. It's not something that should be brushed over because it affects many people.
@LockeTheCole
@LockeTheCole 4 года назад
Because he's (intentionally or not) making a propaganda piece out of fear of getting future documentary topics. He never presses anyone hard about anything they don't want to talk about because then the next documentary target might decide to say no if the previous one wasn't flattering enough. It makes these documentaries very toothless. See also the Fallout 76/Blades documentaries.
@Big007Boss
@Big007Boss 4 года назад
So they let the digital store rate the games by answering questions??
@Cbas619
@Cbas619 4 года назад
I wanted them to talk about the AO adults only rating and if its still used
@sloanj11
@sloanj11 4 года назад
Cb4S 619 it is, but it’s rarely applied.
@cradica
@cradica Год назад
@@sloanj11 Funny enough they got rid of EC for that very reason!
@Pendleton115
@Pendleton115 4 года назад
In Australia they just rate Everything MA 15+ and call it a day. And if it doesn’t fit in that category they just outright ban it.
@cheater87
@cheater87 4 года назад
The R18 rating came out in like 2013.
@Pendleton115
@Pendleton115 4 года назад
cheater87 I was telling a joke lol
@cradica
@cradica Год назад
the AO rating the US is almost never used anyway which begs the question: why haven't they gotten rid of it? Our ratings for TV still only go up to 17
@Gamethatnoonetalksaboutman
@Gamethatnoonetalksaboutman Год назад
@@Pendleton115now they rate anything R18+ and call it a day unless they were bribed or actually rated the game properly and if there’s anything sexual violence then they ban
@nickjanuary7177
@nickjanuary7177 4 года назад
I really want an extended interview of those two talking about what they play
@nawdawg4300
@nawdawg4300 4 года назад
The way he refers to tv viewers as a passive audience is really interesting. I never thought about it that way. For the most part, if you see something on the internet it's because you searched for or clicked on it. It surprisingly makes a lot of sense to regulate/censor tv more than the web.
@michaelmonstar4276
@michaelmonstar4276 3 года назад
Well yea; TV is literal surprise mechanics.
@Yctzofficial
@Yctzofficial 3 года назад
Mum:One of the school teachers are coming to our house for a meeting Me:immediately hides gta call of duty and all high rated games under bed
@xatzis5000
@xatzis5000 4 года назад
Tell me lies Tell me sweet little lies
@TheFettuck
@TheFettuck 4 года назад
Rated L for Lies! :(
@gametimewithunclejer
@gametimewithunclejer 4 года назад
I worked for the ESRB and wrote an article about it back in 2008 for EGM...when it was still a magazine. AMA
@LockeTheCole
@LockeTheCole 4 года назад
Are the ESA and ESRB really as separate and ESRB free from influence from the ESA as they claim in this?
@gametimewithunclejer
@gametimewithunclejer 4 года назад
@@LockeTheCole From what I saw, no. And I would bet the farm that influence has only grown over the last 10 years or so.
@TheTherapistGamer
@TheTherapistGamer 4 года назад
@@gametimewithunclejer Do you have any examples you can share about how the ESRB bowed to the ESA or publishers, or otherwise made a compromised decision due to the conflict of interest?
@cheater87
@cheater87 4 года назад
Got a link to it?
@dciug
@dciug 4 года назад
Hey ESRB, may I recommend Lightning Fast VHS Repair for all things VHS, in case you ever need that.
@michiganjack1337
@michiganjack1337 4 года назад
Generally with a bag on their head.
@_charwyn
@_charwyn 4 года назад
MichiganJack came here to write exactly this
@alternatelevi2099
@alternatelevi2099 4 года назад
And with a nice sack of cash handed to them by smiling executives along with a sly wink...
@hihihi1q23
@hihihi1q23 4 года назад
What are some games that you think the ESRB rated incorrectly?
@BreakfastAtNoon
@BreakfastAtNoon 4 года назад
@@hihihi1q23 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EcGZQDOOU6Y.html
@Dr170
@Dr170 4 года назад
As corrupt and easily manipulated as the ESRB is, it's borderline resplendent compared to the MPAA.
@ElectricBlobz
@ElectricBlobz 4 года назад
Damage Control after the NBA 2k20 fiasco I see.
@michaelmonstar4276
@michaelmonstar4276 3 года назад
For what?... 2K21 is out and it's no different.
@Ejohns1004
@Ejohns1004 4 года назад
Ol' boy in the bad guy from Ghost Busters shirt is saying a lot and that's at least a good thing, even though they haven't even mentioned 2K2 (20:15 in). His boss has told him to stop talking multiple times already. The whole 'ESRB fanboy' thing worked for the first minute and a half, but it's been all down hill since then.
@sykode
@sykode 4 года назад
BTW I think that's the reaper from Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey on his shirt.
@Problematist
@Problematist 4 года назад
Well, working with VHS is a bit embarrassing. But it's possible that they don't want to share history like that too.
@DextNRN
@DextNRN 4 года назад
Sim Gambling Rated T, Real Gambling E for everyone.
@SpartanWolf222
@SpartanWolf222 4 года назад
While I'm happy that the ESRB agreed to this interview as well as their responses overall, I do think the fact of how they responded to modern day problems like microtransactions, lootboxes, etc. speaks volumes. They're still acting like it's the '90s with a focus on graphic imagery whereas most gamers nowadays are concerned about monetization mechanics and data usage. At one point, someone stated that the ESRB isn't outdated, yet they show a clear divide in priorities--not to mention how long it took them to drop VCRs until 2008.
@_hellogan
@_hellogan 4 года назад
This is fascinating. Thanks for covering this, Noclip!
@cashnelson2306
@cashnelson2306 4 года назад
The whole base approach of the ESRB is a little misguided, honestly. Ratings aren't only for parents. Parents use them a lot, sure, but they're useful for absolutely anyone buying video games. Nothing that lady said about loot boxes should matter, because parents are not the only people using ratings.
@TigerXGame
@TigerXGame 4 года назад
Lootboxes are not gambling? Excuse me? The term "drop rates" was used multiple times in this documentary, how is that not gambling??
@JG-ib7xk
@JG-ib7xk 4 года назад
Because you cant cash out. The standard definition of gambling means you need to be able to cash out the money you have put in, which you can never do with loot boxes. You only ever loose your money with loot boxes, you never end up with more money than you put in.
@TigerXGame
@TigerXGame 4 года назад
@@JG-ib7xk The Steam marketplace would beg to differ. It could also be argued that the 'cash out' is the item you get from the box. Besides, that strict definition of gambling is odd. You have to be 18 to gamble because it's proven to be addictive. That addiction doesn't come from being able to cash out, it comes from the game itself. That 'one more spin, because I feel lucky'. That 'fear of missing out' if you don't try one last time. Playing one more hand because 'the dealer just showed ten ace's in a row'. That's the problem with gambling, not the ability to cash out.
@jellorelic
@jellorelic 4 года назад
@@TigerXGame - There's no definition you could put on 'gambling' that would include loot boxes that wouldn't also include baseball cards, magic: the gathering, Funko blind-boxes... literally every game ever created that had a random drop in some form. That's a big part of the reason this issue is complicated - the edge cases are many and no definitions cut cleanly enough to not massively disrupt many normal everyday behaviors or be completely useless.
@xbfalcon83
@xbfalcon83 3 года назад
"we're not grey-haired old men in suits" Says the guy, wearing a suit, that dyes his hair
@davidhollowelljr949
@davidhollowelljr949 4 года назад
8:03 somebody has Finn standing next to the mighty Monarch. Best friend material.
@doogelyjim8627
@doogelyjim8627 4 года назад
Without a doubt the biggest surprise is hearing that not only does the blonde guy play games, but that he put 900 hours into battlefield 5. Love that honestly
@Noiselandco
@Noiselandco 2 года назад
I've worked in video games and with the ESRB for many years, and it's great to see these discussions with the team. Given how many games they need to review, the process makes sense, and they are always streamlining how things work.
@Ejohns1004
@Ejohns1004 4 года назад
This was really frustrating to watch. This felt like the video they show new hires at the ESRB. Edit: They literally defined 'conflict of interest' during those last two minutes. Not to tell anyone how to do their jobs or anything, but I honestly feel that this video should have had a much different tone.
@Ejohns1004
@Ejohns1004 4 года назад
@@Murderbits that's cute. I agree though. Why speak truth to power when they can take your cookies away and make your job slightly tougher. The notion that journalism is impossible without the subject of that journalism giving "access" is hilarious. Impossible, hell no; easier... I've been following Danny since he first started making 8 or so minute videos on his thoughts of different elements of game design for Gamespot. Anyone remember Gamespot? Did Danny need "access" for his research on those videos? If your answer to that is 'yes' then you need your head examined. My only guess is that this documentary (if you can call it that) was the easiest he's ever produced, and I would hope that fact isn't sitting well with him. Easier is never better. Easier means compromises were made. With my limited knowledge of their process, I would guess that this particular doc was filmed and edited over the span of a 3 day weekend. This wasn't a 'how game A was made' or a celebration of series B documentary, this was on a topic that is incredibly relevant considering what is going on with the government and other journalistic outlets being pissed at the ESRB for not doing their ONE JOB. This could have had some real substance, but the tone of this video made it seem like it could have just as easily been filmed and edited by the ESRB's own PR team, and because of how long I've been following Danny, that makes me real sad. I really hope that he addresses the tone of this video and the fact that all he had was softball questions, framed to make an organization under nearly as much scrutiny as when they were first formed look good. Why not even mention the biggest controversy in this organizations history? Part of your thesis at the beginning of the video was to determine whether or not the ESRB was actually doing their job. If you aren't going to even addresses what was in your own thesis, why put in that last 2 minutes where they openly admitted to putting the person with the biggest inflict of interest to a genre of game in charge of that genre's rating? What level of oversight did the ESRB have in the overall making of this doc, from questions asked, edits made to final product? Governments around the world are working right now to undermine the autonomy of the biggest entertainment medium in the world with an unsettling level of regulation and No Clip had an opportunity to frame this to show that (if they wanted to help the ESRB which I understand why they would, self regulation is optimal) the ESRB understands why they weren't up to task before, and these are the changes they're making to fix the situation to prove the industry can self regulate. But they didn't make that video. Like at all. Honestly, if I was a politician, this vid would be my rallying cry to regulate the ESRB and gaming with industry impunity. I'm sorry for the short novel, but the Crux of my argument is that this video did more harm than good. The one dude's boss told him to stop talking I counted 3 times, and he literally said "don't admit that" at one point.
@Illindi
@Illindi 4 года назад
Well I like to see both sides of argument. But this feels eerily like the Bethsoft F76s ones. It sure doesn't help having seen Angry Joe go over this with them. Sorry, great topic but you didn't really delve into it. While you try, you never seem to he critical of what you are being told. Having rewatched a lot of them, most if not all are some kind of puff. I know it opens doors for you but at the cost of what? They take a lot of pride in blocking ads due to the content in the ad, not the content it self. They are very keen to protect the publisher rather than the enduser. 37:30 - case in point.
@brennenhorton2493
@brennenhorton2493 4 года назад
This gave me a new found respect for the ESRB in everything up until the loot box question... Great job Danny, keep it up
@kaederukawa1123
@kaederukawa1123 Год назад
New found respect? They not only gave a pathetic reply to the loot box question, they also admitted they rate games without even playing them. What is there to respect? These guys are puppets.
@pilks4k
@pilks4k 4 года назад
So the publisher gives them a cross section of footage from the game that is meant to cover everything and then someone sits in a room and watches the footage and thats how its rated... no wonder the rating system seems broken thats because it is.. The way a game is monitized is not even considered when rating a game... which is why Fifa etc is rated E
@clashmanthethird
@clashmanthethird 4 года назад
16:36 "We have never seen an example of someone trying to hide something" Have they never heard of D? When Kenji Eno got the game rated T, then replaced the disc with a different version that contained scenes of cannibalism that definitely would've gotten the game an M?
@Igorooooleynikov
@Igorooooleynikov 4 года назад
They have never seen this))) So how would they know?)
@BloodOrange111
@BloodOrange111 4 года назад
Look at these comments. When the consumers you're supposed to be protecting don't feel protected. You've failed.
@luriven4800
@luriven4800 4 года назад
It seems that their intended and stated purpose isn’t to protect the consumers-people who play the games-but rather to provide certain info to parents, whilst protecting the industry from government legislation. They clearly have failed, since the government is starting to get involved out of necessity. But they’ve never served ‘us’.
@theycallmeGUN
@theycallmeGUN 4 года назад
you’re acting like consumers are mindless robots incapable of “protecting” themselves or making informed decisions. I think we’ll be just fine.
@TheJr1302
@TheJr1302 4 года назад
I am 38, and I have been a Patron for a while. I went back to school recently for an IT degree, and one of the classes I had to take was English Composition. The research paper I was assigned was Ethics in gaming content. Not only did my professor let me use your doc as a reference for my paper, he ended up watching the whole doc, and now is a fan. Keep up the good work sir.
@Shinkajo
@Shinkajo 4 года назад
Do they have professors in community colleges?
@Zaysaki
@Zaysaki 4 года назад
Self regulation absolutely does not work. This is true for a lot of things, industry or otherwise, not just gaming. If you hold your own leash you can misstep as you please.
@joonaskarjalainen8265
@joonaskarjalainen8265 4 года назад
Any guesses how much money they are getting from gaming companies not to critisize Loot Boxes...
@michaelmonstar4276
@michaelmonstar4276 3 года назад
Well, since their fees can run up to a million, I guess they'd like some compensation along those lines per game.
@devilboy0023
@devilboy0023 4 года назад
I feel like the questions about lootboxes were too weak o too few
@ImGonnaFudgeThatFish
@ImGonnaFudgeThatFish 4 года назад
This really does partially feel like a propaganda video meant to make the ESRB look less incompetent
@brokentool
@brokentool 4 года назад
37:35 "it does not fit into the criteria of either 'simulated gambling' or 'gambling'" oh, come on! how can she say that with a straight face (case in point: NBA 2k20; FIFAs)
@YoSomePerson
@YoSomePerson 4 года назад
They always say "protect parents" but at the same time refuse to increase the ratings even though sexual content and violence does. As if gambling mechanics have no psychological impact at all.
@splatcat3434
@splatcat3434 4 года назад
Sorry, but seems like a PR piece. Glossed over the recent concerns that would have been concerns even 25 years ago if the industry tried to introduce them then as much as they have as of late. Self regulation could be seen akin to self medication. Not always the healthiest way to operate.
@AcroGrade
@AcroGrade 4 года назад
As much as I get it, these guys are mostly trying to stay neutral I think. The ESRB has come into a bad light more than ever lately, so I'm sure that affected some of the questions being asked. NoClip is pretty good, cant really shit on em.
@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009
@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 4 года назад
I still think that we need a rating between T and M And to get rid of the AO
@spongebobplushiestuff8612
@spongebobplushiestuff8612 4 года назад
The uk has pegi 15
@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009
@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 4 года назад
@@spongebobplushiestuff8612 here in Brasil we have L(everyone), 10,12,14,16 and 18
@spongebobplushiestuff8612
@spongebobplushiestuff8612 4 года назад
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 nic3
@cheater87
@cheater87 4 года назад
@@spongebobplushiestuff8612 PEGI 16, BBFC had a 15.
@cradica
@cradica 2 года назад
The US TV rating system has you covered TV-Y(the equivalent of EC) TV-Y7(between E and E10+) TV-G(equivalent to E) TV-PG(equivalent to E-10+) TV-14(between T and M but mostly T) TV-MA(the equivalent of M) There is no equivalent to AO
@psybovine
@psybovine 4 года назад
Just remember, the ESRB says lootboxes are not classified as gambling under the thin clarification that "you can't cash out because it's all virtual". Spoilers: Lootboxes are gambling.
@psybovine
@psybovine 4 года назад
@@FractalPrism. You can't win money. But you can win items that are pay-to-win and encourage and reward continued attempts. You can get junk, the equivelant to nothing, encouraging you to spend more. You can see what others are winning, enticing you to play more. You don't always get items that are useful, and you certainly don't get the items you actually want. It's gambling. There's no reason they couldn't just allow direct purchases. The only reason they didn't is because it's easier to get people addicted to *literal gambling*.
@Fachewachewa
@Fachewachewa 4 года назад
@@psybovine Being addictive IS an issue, and devs (or rather publishers) have been using game mechanics like progression, loot and XP for years to get that same result (and the way Ubisoft is recently doing in-game purchases can be even more problematic that most lootboxes). Yet Gamers usually don't see this as a problem, even if they're very angry about gambling since the moment they learnt people could spend money and win more than them using lootboxes (just look at all those comments saying the same stuff). Worse, they paradoxically tend to get very angry at the notion that game could become addictive. So what is it, addictive or not? Some keep bringing up TCG's because that's literally the same thing (playing those TCG's checks every point you made), and that never bothered anyone. It's obviously not gambling since children have been buying those for ages, yet it should be considered gambling when it's in a game and most of the time impossible to sell what you got in the box? Sure, some people can get addicted to Skinner boxes, but if you care about that, you should care about the core of the problem, being every major video game since the 2000's using Skinner box design, so being potentially addictive, even without in-game purchases. Fixing this would fix most of lootboxes and in-game purchases, but I'm not sure Gamers would want that since that also means less easy dopamine while playing video games. Oh and you should absolutely not hope that games use direct purchases instead, seeing as Ubisoft is actively building boring games with literal "time savers" that cost money. Because that's the same issue, but in an even worse game. (Buuut technically no lootboxes so Gamers are happy. Until they found out they need to buy their dark vador separately, of course)
@sighrelief
@sighrelief 4 года назад
@@psybovine, do you believe trading card games such as pokemon or Magic are gambling?
@psybovine
@psybovine 4 года назад
@@sighrelief No, and that's a common argument against lootboxes being gambling. The difference is that trading cards are physical, you can *trade* them, you can even sell them, so no matter what, you are *always* getting something worth having. They're also incredibly cheap. You don't hear about people going bankrupt from buying trading cards.
@psybovine
@psybovine 4 года назад
@@Fachewachewa Even though "time-savers" are bullshit, they're not as egregious as literal gambling in $60 games. The gambling in lootboxes are worse than Trading Cards. No one has ever gone bankrupt from buying Trading Cards, and you always get something that you can either play with, trade for more cards, or sell for cash. Lootboxes are a worse form of gambling because they are more addicting and give you literal trash 6/10 times to encourage you to buy more.
@Reject101Personal
@Reject101Personal 4 года назад
Was watching This Film Is Not et Rated yesterday, a great docu about the MPAA ratings for films. While its good that the ERSB have welcomed you in, still have some slight similar shadyness with keeping raters secret and all, and still get the vibe that i dunno, the system doesn't really work that well buts the only one there is so people just accept it. Of course being in the UK, it doesn't make much difference to me, but oh well.
@bread406
@bread406 4 года назад
this was really enlightening and interesting! I dont give enough thought into the stickers and lables that are attached to the content i consume, and the processes behind them. thanks for the great video!
@kaederukawa1123
@kaederukawa1123 4 года назад
The most disappointing documentary on this channel. You had an unprecedented chance to ask the real questions, the hard questions, instead you went for the usual "buddies" mode, a completely toothless approach as if these guys were game designers. 1 - You actually accepted the pathetic non-reply about their "independence" from the ESA (which owns them), and self-regulation from the President lady. No follow-up, you actually published that one. You opened and closed this vital issue in 30 seconds. Without a real answer from them. (05:14) 2 - Same thing for her reply about Lootboxes not being gambling nor simulated gambling. No mention of all the national governments that are calling them for what they are? All the families getting ruined by this crap? Countries banning them every other month, all over the globe? Really? (37:07) 3 - No critical perspective from you about their ridiculous rating procedure? What about the fact that they admitted they rate games without ever, ever playing one? What about the fact that the video which makes them decide, is created and submitted by the same companies that are looking for a good rating. And that guy saying "nobody ever hides stuff". Sure, great process there, let's just trust them. The fine can go up to 1 million dollar. Why didn't you ask if they have ever fined anyone? Really a missed opportunity.
@kaederukawa1123
@kaederukawa1123 4 года назад
@@Murderbits You might be right, but if that is the case, what is the point of this type of documentaries? If I want to see friendly people chatting and laughing and talking about uninteresting, irrelevant things, I just enter a bar.
@JG-ib7xk
@JG-ib7xk 4 года назад
@@kaederukawa1123 what are you on about? This wasnt some attempt to bring down the esrb, it was them inviting danny in to talk to him about the process of rating games, that's it. Your acting like a child.
@Clavus
@Clavus 4 года назад
It's a documentary, not an investigative journalism piece. Stop expecting one.
@kaederukawa1123
@kaederukawa1123 4 года назад
@@Clavus There are questions that can be asked, respectfully, without being an investigative journalist. It's about getting answers instead of letting people dance around your question, without ever replying. That is important for any person who asks questions, documentarists, journalists and interviewers in general. This format is still based on asking questions. The quality of it greatly depends on the quality of the questions asked.
@johnsmithson4479
@johnsmithson4479 4 года назад
Yes there were missed opportunities, but this is also the only inside look that’s been had. I think everyone involved was just thankful to have this opportunity and they didn’t want to push too hard in case it got rescinded entirely. There’s still a lot of good info here, and in seeing how they avoid topics like loot boxes and such we can still get an idea of what’s going on.
@TOMLEE64
@TOMLEE64 4 года назад
I’d love to see behind-the-scenes of the Australian rating system for video games mainly because of how long it took them to implement in R rating.
@cradica
@cradica Год назад
Here in the US the rating for TV only go up to 17 (even for streaming)
@смиренный-х2б
@смиренный-х2б 4 года назад
Very comforting to know they do have gamers on staff and even the older staff that probably don't play video games still have some knowledge of video games and their history. Could you imagine how screwed up our rating system would be if it was a government agency?
@darkmikasonfire
@darkmikasonfire 4 года назад
Pat Vance: "There was no consistent standards." There still isn't, that hasn't really changed. it was at 1% now it's at like 3% there's no real change, it's still garbage. Pat Vance: "Parents trust us, they use us." Most parents that aren't gamers don't know anything about them or the ratings. they know exactly dick. And now gamers that are parents, really don't much need them cause we know what's IN the games, we play them. Pat Vance: "It doesn't fit in the criteria of either simulated gambling or gambling." GTA5, literally a fucking casino they put a literal fucking casino in it to bet your money in it was even called the casino update for fucks sake. NBA 2K20, literally a roulette wheel you bet money on, a literal slot machine where in game it even says both Jackpot and "spin to win" and when you look at it, it's a literal fucking slot machine I spent ~3 months in vegas every year I know what a fucking slot machine looks like, literal ball drop gambling like you see on the price is right. She is absolutely full of shit.
@captainnintendo
@captainnintendo 4 года назад
At least the PEGI and ESRB labels are somewhat small and subtle compared to those enormous ugly USK ones from Germany which they insist on taking up space on the box in addition to the PEGI rating. It completely destroy the boxart
@cradica
@cradica Год назад
also MPA and TV ratings on DVD's are very small (usually on the back)
@Gamethatnoonetalksaboutman
@Gamethatnoonetalksaboutman Год назад
It even worse if the ACB is also on the front cover with the big ass USK and small PEGI ratings, in Australia they put the description on the FRONT instead of the back. I’ve seen one with the PEGI and the game company logo had to be on top of the USK and ACB rating
@Sorrelhas
@Sorrelhas 4 года назад
It's the subtle filmmaking. The unseen journalism. Every shot shows how empty everything is. The people of ESRB tell you themselves how shallow the rating process is, with a hint of corporate language. It's like an accusation hidden in a commercial. You can't tell me these are accidents. Just a small mention of loot boxes. "It's just the gamers that want to know the odds of loot boxes. Parents don't even know what that is."
@JG-ib7xk
@JG-ib7xk 4 года назад
Everyone complaining about gambling needs to realise that the ESRB are working to a set definition of gambling. They're saying that loot boxes don't fit that pre defined denition of gambling. If you want then to tackle loot boxes you have to get them to change their definition of gambling.
@anon5119
@anon5119 4 года назад
Their take on loot boxes made me lose all respect for them
@JamesBond007Nejc
@JamesBond007Nejc 4 года назад
CRATES BAD OTHER MICROTRANSCTIONS GOOD Idiots want crates gone because they hate them not because they give a shit about kids LEL
@FraserSouris
@FraserSouris 4 года назад
Games already have the "post purchases" label and parental controls already restrict it. It's not really a huge problem
@Turabbo
@Turabbo 3 года назад
This was really interesting. The funny mid point of paper pushing office culture and gamer nerds. I'm not 100% convinced by their stance on the loot box thing, but it was really good to see that they all *actually* care and believe in what they do.
@shark869
@shark869 3 года назад
I love your videos guys, it was so interasting and makes me understand better the industry, thank you so much, i hope one day i can do something like this.
@sweetpixiesmile
@sweetpixiesmile 3 года назад
I am equal parts admiration and frustration with this documentary. Admiration that you stuck to your journalistic integrity by not forcing an interpretation on what was conveyed in the interviews. That there wasn't a deeper dive into the "research" the ESRB did on the loot box/ gambling mechanic issue. If they are a regulatory body basing their findings on current legal definitions and histories, they AREN'T wrong that as the law stands, loot boxes have NOT been included in the legal definition of gambling... but they also artfully dodged the question of what happens when regulation does come into effect? Drop rates ARE important to gamers... whether or not gambling mechanics (games of chance where there is a tangible or perceived personal value/reward) are important to parents. I'd say if they were thinking understanding how the ESRB works in this documentary would assuage the mistrust gamers have for them as a self-regulating organization that answers to industry members, they were pretty dead wrong. Even Legal Aid must have an arms-length relationship and have a board independent of the Attorney General's office.
@NileSings
@NileSings 4 года назад
Even though it was very cleanly shot and edited, I would not have watched this whole thing if I knew that there would be a non-answer about loot boxes at the end.
@Nickibrochner
@Nickibrochner 4 года назад
Thanks, I would never had expected to thoroughly enjoy a documentary about game ratings company - It where really great. :D
@Neko123Uchiha
@Neko123Uchiha 4 года назад
I went to the USK rating company in Germany back in March and it was really interesting to compare the way they approach the ratings to this video :)
@schwarztaxi
@schwarztaxi 4 года назад
What is similar, what different?
@Neko123Uchiha
@Neko123Uchiha 4 года назад
@@schwarztaxi The procedure is mostly the same, the game reviewers play the full game and pick out essential scenes for the rating to show them to the jury. They also told us the same about the rating system for digital stores and how it is used by many rating companies around the world :) The only major difference are the categories for the ratings, in Germany they are organized by age
@cradica
@cradica Год назад
speaking of Germany I noticed Interspecies Reviewers is rated FSK 18 there yet in the US it has an 18 + warning with isn't the same as the FSK 18...aparently since FSK 18 can appear on streaming but American 18 + is ONLY allowed on DVDs and Blu-rays! (even the streaming version of Interspecies Reviewers was censored down to TV-MA(17+)
@ultimatespidybawlz2198
@ultimatespidybawlz2198 3 года назад
M rating to parents is literally "oh this is okay for my 6 year old to play" lol
@evilpotatoman9436
@evilpotatoman9436 4 года назад
The weight of the cash bags obviously...
@RomanQrr
@RomanQrr 4 года назад
This kills every bit of trust I had in this channel. After the 76 fiasco and now this it is clear that this is ether a really biased crew or a crew that is OK to take money from game industry and not call it out on it's bullshit. Thank you for getting me into warframe, but I guess our paths shall diverge at this point.
@ClellBiggs
@ClellBiggs 4 года назад
Yeah, a slot machine that you pay to play that gives out random loot isn't anywhere near gambling/simulated gambling. You gotta love them trying to push the blame onto parents.
@iamaidansmith7542
@iamaidansmith7542 3 года назад
Parents should watch their kids
@Diphenhydra
@Diphenhydra 3 года назад
@@iamaidansmith7542 yep. Because that is completely feasible. They watch their children 24/7 because that’s the only thing parents have to do. They don’t work, cook, have a social life at all...
@iamaidansmith7542
@iamaidansmith7542 3 года назад
I’m tired of parents saying games should be censored it’s their job to watch their kids I should be able to play voelint games if I want to don’t censor games that’s parents job not game studios
@MrSoccerboy5411
@MrSoccerboy5411 4 года назад
An absolute joy to see this! People don't think twice about the oversight involved in the gaming industry. Thank you for this!
@oldred9122
@oldred9122 4 года назад
This video is violently underrated. Not even 100k views after 10 days?
@BlindMango
@BlindMango 4 года назад
To see the guy that does the voice for all the ratings is just awesome =D
@zanec14
@zanec14 4 года назад
Just seeing that woman trying to find words to talk about loot boxes...
@kythlyn
@kythlyn 4 года назад
Great documentary, but I don't really feel like the gambling issue was addressed deeply enough. Especially when it comes to a game like NBA2K20 getting an E rating.
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