How Ferrari Cheated Their Best Clients 

This is a long and rich history at Ferrari. It used to be said that of the 25 Ferrari 250 GTOs built, only 37 survive. 😂

If I was an Enzo owner I would be very happy knowing I could drive my Enzo to its limits and not worry about wrecking because if I did, I could have it replaced by Ferrari themselves

Im honestly surprised Ferrari hasn't tried to silence this guy considering how much he knows about what ferrari doesnt want anyone to know about

The main reason nobody complains is probably because they know that to raise Ferrari's ire is to cut yourself off from the next "special" car. Ferrari doesn't need the Black Hand; they have a dealer network just as deadly.

LaFerrari Coupe - over 600 units, 599 SA Aperta - 130+, 599 GTO - 879, F12 TDF - 923 , 458 Speciale A - 642.... Yes, they are still doing it.

I've always found it funny how people talk about the F40's known production numbers and then in the same breath act as if Ferrari will actually build the number of cars they say they will the next time around

Back in the late 80s or early 90s some lady sued Ferrari because her limited edition F40 was not as rare as the factory had claimed. In this case the factory announced they would continue production past the initial number announced and she got pissed about that. IDK what the outcome of that lawsuit was.

I lived in southern Italy (2016-21) and we would see "The Black Hand" spray painted on freeway over passes, on walls in little villages. It was kind of ominous TBH

Couldn’t keeping the same VIN be a tax thing? Maybe, unlike regular cars, these hyper cars are often irreparable and if there was a new VIN, the owner would have to pay (again) all the local taxes (it would be like buying a new car) and these would be a fortune. Car taxes in Italy are crazy and they probably started doing this locally. Just a thought.

There was so many Ferrari Enzo’s almost an infinite amount. I owned 5 of them myself. Every time I joined a race in Forza Motorsport most of the grid was Enzo’s. Dime a dozen I say.

To me, the biggest scam about the Enzo is that the 599 has the same engine with the same power when they tried to claim the opposite.

This guy is absolutely right. Because I own a 1967 330 GTC (considered a budget low-end Ferrari classic and junk Ferrari by enthusiasts who turn their noses down at it), here in Monaco I was given the opportunity to purchase an Enzo, LaFerrari ect. I don't want a track toy, I wanted a GT. So bought a California, which I still have (along with a Testarossa and F355). And you wanted to hear what the dealer said!....."why do you want one of those for?! You want a 'true' Ferrari"........Snobs! I don't know why I'm so brand-loyal to them. But my 330 means everything to me, as My father bought it for when I was born in 1967😥. The dealers are absolutely awful!

I have heard in some documentaries, that Ferrari for years were rebuilding cars (very limited ones) if the owner at least had a one bolt left after the crash and if it can be identified as bolt from that car. That sounded peculiar so it stuck. But I can't recall where exactly I heard about it.

My Enzo is 219/400 of 1000 made....

Mr. McCoy is about to receive an offer that he can't refuse. (petting cat while sitting in chair)

Aaaand here comes the cease and desist letters from Ferrari.

” Everyone is a Ferrari fan. Even if they say they're not, they are Ferrari fans.”

I heard they claim that number that year but years afterward production ended they used extra parts to build more for special people but back dated the car for that year. Also FXX cars were suppose to be built more but ended up as Enzos so they just stretched it.

This is why Jay Leno doesn't buy from Ferrarri. They wanted him to buy 3 Modena's for 1 Testorossa, or something, he was like "uh, no, screw you." and he then explained why McLaren was a better company because they offer upgrades for free and even told him he didn't need to spend more money on carbon brakes unless he raced on a track. McLaren is a customer-focused company and Ferrari is a brand-focused company.

As expected from Ferrari

i remember something about jay leno says that he would never buy a ferrari.

After seeing the welds on thar chassis recently, I'd say they cheated a lot of customers. 🤷🏼‍♂️

As a ferrari customer i can confirm. To this day if you own a ferrari vin you can have the car rebuilt even the 250 gto they still have all the molds and castings. So this is nothing new and its common knowledge. Buggatti will also do the same. Source: my friend wrecked his buggatti they build him a new one. I destroyed a testarossa they rebuilt it for me.

An Italian car manufacturer being a bit fast and loose with numbers... no surprise :D The way I see it with some of these cars is that you've paid a large amount of money to buy a VIN, if you bin it beyond repair (and have the money), they build you a new one from the parts bin and it inherits the destroyed cars VIN, no harm, no foul. Legally questionable, yes, but hey it's Italy, Forza Italia!. :P

When a Ferrari dealer, or any dealer, allows you to own their car, the car and the dealer own you, not the other way around.

Might this be what actually happened at the German car restorer Kienle that is famous for their Mercedes 300 SL restorations? Because a couple of weeks ago a widespread investigation towards their company got launched because suddenly, there were two 300 SL with the same VIN. So either Kienle actually faked an entire chassis and sold two 300 SL with an identical VIN, or maybe back in the day at Mercedes, they actually produced two 300 SL with the same VIN, maybe because one of them got totaled in a crash and therefore a chassis with an identical VIN got rebuilt in the factory, but the original chassis got repaired and restored anyway. It's just my theory at this point, but who knows. 😅

I remember Carbon from the Ferrarichat days when the Enzo was new. The amount of effort he spent researching and documenting an owners list was impressive.

a Japanese shop made a upgrade set for the Enzo they bore the engine upgrade a lot of stuff its really nice

Great research, keep up the good work.

3:06 When Michael Schumacher drove it so quickly that the panels came off and they had to stick them back on with duct tape

My Grandfather was friends with Brock Yates, as well my Father. Blessed to see the cannonball run myself, learning more about him .....the Black Hand was heavy where we are from as well....wild. And always the little guy gets the shaft. My Family also created Horch cars, precursor to Audi. Crazy the lives they lived..... Subscribed and stoked for the stories ✌️

Sounds like Ferrari are using applying their F1 knowledge of exploiting loopholes in the system until it's deemed illegal or banned for their road cars too. In many ways, kudos to them.

Large artists often do this with limited edition art prints as well. If one is damaged beyond repair, you can usually have that limited edition print re made for a fee, with the same identifier.

"400 cars" 😂

The extra production is hurting values. How much is unknown, but when more “limited production” cars are made, each is worth less. Supply and demand.

So let me get this straight, it's a bad thing to be the owner of a "one owner" Enzo, crash said Enzo into write-off oblivion and call up Modena and cry into the teleFon? Whereto Ferrari says they'll make you another one EXACTLY like the one you entirely ganked (right down to the VIN). Try n put oneself into the bespoke, tailored by a master cobbler, penny loafer's of said Enzo's owner, if one can. That's not a bad thing at all, in fact it is a good thing, a very good thing.

It al depends on the definition of what “repairing a car” is. If their policy says “as long as 1 screw is kept from the original car, then, it’s the same car” nobody can complain anything

Tax cheats ...art world has been doing this forever.

Bold coming from a company thats hands out cease and desist orders.

I suppose it depends on if the additional productions are simply replacements for ones that no longer exist. Not to say I agree with the practice, but more so to say, it's interesting nonetheless if the overall total in existence remains at a certain number.

If a Ferrari is totalled in an accident and another appears with the same VIN number they can just say it was rebuilt.

The F40 is a great example, they claim 500 units I think ended up building over 1300

good one, I remember seeing one on the streets of Austin, Texas. i also remember seeing one on eBay for $1,000,000 should have bought it.

Ferrari being duplicitous isn't surprising.

5:27 the picture of Enzo and Gilles Villeneuve, classic !

I can feel Enzo rolling in his grave as you talked . The letters from Ferrari coming.

6:32 legit thought a big crawled across the bottom left corner of my screen 😂

Only fools buys Ferrari...smart people get a Porsche

Shady Italians say it isn't so. I'm not surprised.

It's almost as if when there is an instance of an extra amount of cars made it adds to the myth of the car. Seems that the extra ones even gain their own value. Kinda like how a misprint currency can be worth more than it's actual face value

They simply replaced everything around the key to fix it...

There should be a new classification on CarFax; “Car replaced on ______ date.”

Happened to a guy in Northern VA. He found out and went banannas

If you’re buying a car based solely on production numbers for exclusivity or as an investment the value isn’t really effected by the fact there’s more because people only care about the fact Ferrari says there’s this many so it ultimately doesn’t matter, and if you’re buying the car to enjoy it it’s good cause there’s more of them

For all the reasons to don't like Ferrari you picked the least relevant one, unless you flip cars :)

Always wondered about the La Ferrari numbers!? Think it's 499 made but every collector in the world seems to have one! Is it really only 499 or 500 with the Pope's one?

"They dispatch assassins like the Black Hand..." Okay, Green Lantern! 😂😂😂

The Jamails are indeed pretty cool people in my experience... I taught two of the grandkids at a music summer camp. NGL... some of the guitars that showed up to camp were items I would otherwise never have been able to physically hold. I didn't really care about who "they" were until a guitar that easily was worth a year's salary arrived one morning and upon a little investigation, we discovered it was indeed not a reproduction and indeed the real deal... The adults proceeded to geek out the rest of the day and we made sure that the father of our student was aware of the guitar that showed up that day. He told us to "enjoy" 😂 and give it a good look over to make sure we didn't see anything that needed proper maintenance. We were entirely qualified to do exactly that and it was also a day that we had a celebrity guest appearance, who was also equally as shocked to see a "real one" in the wild... Over 4 summers I got to know those kids and a bit of the family, and they are delightful people! They weren't our only super famous family, but those kids really genuinely put a lot of effort into their music and that's what mattered to me.

It's still limited either way even if it's not the right count. Maybe they have poor accounting system haha

The limited production numbers are simply there for marketing purposes and actual production numbers will never match them since most customers wouldn't normally be able to find out the numbers for the limited production run were higher than stated. Today with people having the ability to find cars around the world it's easier to spot these discrepancies in the numbers, but the ppl buying them might not be looking for that and rely simply on "it's a limited Ferrari!" sentiment. It is an interesting hobby for some, though.

"Buying a Ferrari is stupid, dating someome who has one is smarter....." never give up!

Imagine thinking snapping pictures of cars and vin's is going to get you ended........ I guess he has to find some way to make something like that interesting.

If its the exact carbon tub im not sure what the big deal is. What makes a car? Tub, engine?

Close your eyes and this guy sounds like a young Ray liotta

Hell ya, speak out! Thanks VINwiki for posting this :)

I’m not sure the hill I want to die on is whether Ferrari made 399 or 500 of some ultra expensive model. But you do you boo.

Ferrari cloning VINs - I’m guessing that’s legal now 😂

Jeremy Clarkson affirmed the same about Ferrari some years ago on top gear!

Can we talk about dry weights, acceleration figures, and top speeds too? ;)

PLEASE FIX THE VINWIKI APP! How do we access the database???

This is just another reason I hate Ferrari! They are basically practicing the art of blackmail requiring the purchase, and advertising of their cars to enable favoritism by Ferrari when the newest greatest model comes out. This, and the fact they refuse to adopt current technology in the form of media. When I'm driving, I love to have my music blaring, and I love the tech behind touch screens. If Ferrari wants to keep their cars old school, fine, install flip out screens to make the interior seem like it's old school by not having a big ugly screen always on view. But, that would cost money, and I do get they think of their cars as driver's cars, and the need for top of the line stereo equipment is not high on the list. I do love some of their models, the F40, F50, Enzo, the Laferrari, and a few more, but would never buy one, had I the money in the first place, due to Ferrari's steadfast policy of no media screens, and buyer favoritism. I'm not purchasing your cars so I can get a one up. This brand is a brand for the filthy rich like David Lee here on RU-vid who doesn't mind being part of the Ferrari mindset, and abides by the Ferrari rules. Maybe he's just a collector who knows the values of these cars, and is playing up to Ferrari so he can sell these cars at a huge profit in the future? But, for me, on the surface, it's just a rich guy, Ferrari club I wouldn't join if you paid me, it's too pompous! 👍😎✌🗽

Usually cars with limited production have a plaque indicating the car number, how does that look if you have more cars than advertised?

Anyone that owns an Enzo is not screwed. That whole idea is absolutely insane.

For the costumer what really matters is the package, if there is more than they think out there it doesn't really matter, the car will perform the same, but this is just my opinion... And yes car retailers can take vins than are not in use to sell back and the remains of the previous car must be crushed in the process, some parts that don't belong to the chassis can be salvageable...

And how to lie on the internet for fame with haters!! The extra numbers are always the test cars that end up being sold later, with rare exceptions!! Well typical bunch of haters love to lie!

It’s pretty hard to care much about this issue as a normal working person who will never own a 20 million dollar car.

Be interesting to see how Ferrari gets along with whistlin diesel.

does that 500 plus a few dozen, include Mazerati MC12's (just enzo in full race bodykit), cause that would make it closer to 450 enzos

I’ve been saving up for 40 years so that in retirement I could afford to buy a Ferrari but after seeing this video I think I’m going to reconsider which car I will buy. Perhaps a British or German car is in my future instead of an Italian one!

When I buy a car, I expect the dealer to value me and my business. If they do not, I could only blame myself for my own diminution.

I hate how Ferrari has always been unethical and selling everything based on Marketing and snob value. Also, their panel gaps, quality of materials used, build quality etc. is pathetic when compared to similar German or Japanese brands. Time to boycott Ferrari, I guess!

Reads title: Mild Shock

Cease and Desist incoming. 😪

They were allegedly still assembling F40's from new parts even in the 2000's. I heard Jean Todt commissioned one for his son when he was the CEO.

Wonderful video.

Replacing a totaled car with a brand new one with the same vin feels like it’s just good customer service. I see no issues with that. Making and selling more cars then you advertise is a form of fraud though.

The type of guy that got every party shut down in high school 🤣

Woah you got Carbon on nice ! Love his VINwiki posts

This guy absolutely has a cease and desist coming his way.

Here in Croatia we have 2 Enzo, one is on Slovenia plate

Ferraris are overrated

I initially thought well what’s wrong with inserting an identical car back into the registry with the same VIN number until I realized that there’s going to be dealerships that will now have service records on a vin that won’t match the car with that vin. Unless,of course, Ferrari directs that all service records be erased from the system upon that car rolling out of the factory doors.

I like knowing that if I crash the crap out of my Scud, I can call Guido and have him make another one for me just like the original one, and with the same VIN. Knowing that lets me sleep better at night!

If they just replace a car that's been totaled, I don't see that as making new cars. Just keeping the original number on the road. As for the mafia stuff, total delusions of grandeur.

If I owned an Enzo I would be more than happy Ferrari would sell me a 2nd one with the same VIN I wrote it off in an accident.

The scarcity of the Enzo isn’t what makes it valuable and good. It’s good because it’s a good car. It’s special, regardless of how many they made.

Ferrari, from a consumer standpoint, is an obsolete brand.

My boss has the ZXX but he rebuilt that through Edo Competition after flooding it.

So how do they work the details of the door plaque with the production number? They just use the same number on multiple cars?

Anyone know where the pic at 6:16 came from? I'd love to have it on my wall lol