HOW GOOD IS MURDERS AT KARLOV MANOR IN cEDH? - cEDH SET REVIEW 

Glad Tyler's back! Missed him so much.

Tyler pluggin his grinder at the end lmfao ☠

Don’t forget that Trouble in France shuts off the Tivit extra turn line

With regards to the surveil lands: people underestimate how often a fetch land is being left up to play interaction, only to fetch a tapped shock at the end step. I think that any multicolor deck that wants to put things to grave should give these a look.

'Korvold, our jund father' amazing 😂

Hi, yes, i heard a group yelling for a judge. Insidious roots specifically says creature CARDS, tokens are not cards

I feel like once an episode Cam has a moment where his mind is utterly blown and it brings me back weekly. Protect this man

Cam, I got the badger mole reference! You rock!

Stayed for commander content. Thumbs upped for the free Mac shortcut tutorial. Such value.

Between the way Cam said "Pick Your Poison" like F.A.N.G. from Street Fighter V and a previous "Foot Dive" reference I'm convinced you guys play fighting games. Best MTG content creators by far, love your work!

Voja stax?

Insidious roots will not trigger from tokens because it says creature cards specifically. Similarly to the why token don't trigger descend from caverns of ixilan. Love the content btw!

"Ill have to investigate it" "woah thats huge" top tier comedy 👌🏾

As far a gruul commander that has multiple paths to get there - have you ever considered Blanka (The Howling Abomination)? It’s a spelling slinging build that burns down opponents, can voltron really quickly, has a combo if you give it indestructible + keen sense effect + chain of plasma and a venerated rot priest out of you storm 10 with ground rift. Would love to see one you guys build this to the nth degree!! Love the content!!

I'm glad to hear Prosper's name being muttered again. I feel like he's only getting better as time goes on! He's my personal favorite card, so I'm desperate for cEDH viability. 😂

Hey guys, I genuinely love watching your guys podcasts and episodes every week keep up the awesome content. But two things I just wanna say, three things rather because I forgot to put it in the krenko deck tech. Krenko is an insane new red combo commander with that goblin package, two cards trash master and Agatha's soul cauldron. (He puts a counter onto each goblin so exiling that RCE or dauthi enables all of your gobos to have that ability. And trash master with be a good four CMC because it's spot removal for your opponents artifacts hole triggering krenko every time. My own take on that) the other two things, I feel pick your poison may have been rated a little two low, green seldomly gets creature removal and I feel the rate that this provides is enough to always see value, wether it's setting players back in mana, or stacks or with flying being a more common means of commanders to have evasion depending on your meta game or play table this could be one green means kill Malcom, tivet, kraum, archon. Yes I agreed completely your opponents pick and Tyler brought up the instant argument it would be better, there are slowly becoming more ways to cast sorcery's into other peoples turns that see play. Overmaster, born upon a wind, alchemist refuge, EZ, ect.; lastly melek is so much fun and the amount to which he grows is insane a 100% grow rate per I/S is nuts. But I'm going to thoroughly enjoy the games where an endurance kills it. Keep up the awesome games guys! And keep playing to win.

Now I want a bonus Lightning Bolt with Madeline Khan’s “flames. On the side of my face.” 😂

Great video guys!! You missed the best blue card and one the strongest candidates to best card in the set though: final-word phantom. I think it might see a lot play in midrange/control decks like Thrasios, Kenrith, etc. as it allows you to keep your mana up to interact or play your cards in your opponents's end steps.

I like how the treasures from storm-kiln artist will add to the gravestorm count for follow the bodies, definitely seems like it could open up some new lines for breach in izzet+ spell slinger decks

CAMERON YOU NEED TO MAKE TYLER AND DYLAN WATCH AVATAR!!! I can never believe when people haven’t watched that show

It's worth noting that doorkeeper thrull also turns off the one ring protection. Relatively niche, but could have an impact in some games

In Urza Forensic Gadgeteer pretty much says play an artifact draw a card when Urza is out. Tap the clue for mana then activate it for one less. 🥜

If somrene plays chain of vapor on doorkeeper thrull you replay it immediately as it have flash. If someone tries to remove it you can bounce it with chain of vapor and play it again even.

I am really excited to ramp up the goblins and try them at cedh. Trouble in pairs was made for my Shalai and Hallar deck.

I have been checking your channel every day for the last week waiting for this review of the new set , finally 😂

I run some of the 2 colorless for 1 colored mana filters in my Rasputin deck. Prismite does it and so does gemstone array. No tapping necessary!

Love seeing tyler back always appreciate his takes

You dudes are definitely never wrong! Hope I pull all these in the Prerelease!

This release makes me want to play Marneus again. It'll still be fringe but Trouble in Pairs, Officious Interrogation, and Mastermind Plum should improve the viability. One card I'm surprised wasn't discussed is Final-Word Phantom. It probably won't be a staple, but since it offers the ability to win at instant speed and is a flying blocker with flash, it's worth testing imo.

I haven't been this excited for a set in some time. Can't wait to play it!

I dont play cedh but i regularly watch ur guys vids. Good to keep up on whats going on! Thanks boys!

Case of the Stashed Skeleton is *chef kiss* in Korvold.

32:05 Love these new secret modified file cards

Surveil lands home is Thalrog (Thalia and The Gitrog Monster). Tyler’s/Dylan’s reason of reanimation strats is number 1, but playing two lands a turn then sacrificing a land to her attack trigger means I can risk playing a tapped land that becomes the sacrifice for draw the same turn. Also, I know proxies are normal for cEDH, but I don’t run any. I still need a scrubland to go with my other two duals and the 9 fetchlands. If I run all three Abzan surveil lands, I have 9 targets for my 9 fetches, but anyone not proxying in cEDH will almost certainly run at least one of these. It’s the best tapped fetchable land they’ve printed.

Forensic engineer is a better fill in for (etherium sculptor) in those reality chip/ divining top lines specifically in urza where I can tap the generated clue token for mana

Super excited to try out Archdruid’s charm and pick your poison in Selvala. More ways to dispose of the one ring will always be welcomed!

I love the card 'modified file', it goes great in blue farm

Someone played trouble in pairs in my Pod while we had one rings out and rustic studies and this card was drawing as much as us. Insane card

If you're wondering why each token made by Follow the Bodies triggers Marneus Calgar: remember that gravestorm (much like storm) copies the spell, not the effect: each copy goes on the stack and resolves individually. (This is the same reason you can't counter a Flusterstorm with normal counterspells.)

Anzrag, The Mole God is probably a really good causal Commander. With the Fog trick, you can do stuff like Mage Slayer and Fiendlash, as well as other attack triggers. You can also look at ways to give your opponents tokens to block. Daryl,Hunter of Walkers/Hansk,Slayer Zealot can draw you 2 cards a turn. Just seems like a fun card

Dress Down + Due Respect is what I will hold [2] mana up for cause it's impacts the board for [1] turn which allows me to do what I want when I untap.

"Fetchable land speed time walk" 😂 just talk about a tapped dual surveil land there! 😂 love you guys! Thanks for makin it fun to watch your podcast 😁

What do you think of “Reenact the Crime”? 1UUU instant: “Exile target nonland card in a graveyard that was put there from anywhere this turn. Copy it. You may cast the copy for free.” Seems like it could be really strong in low color blue decks, decks that mill, or just as great value, get a remora back, copy an ad naus?

The trio is back! ❤❤❤

Honestly a great set, haven't been excited for a set for a long time now, but been following this one for a while now.

Burakos/ Folk Hero is going to love Mastermind Plum.

Because insidious roots specifically says creature card, tokens won't trigger it because tokens aren't considered cards

Gadgeteer makes the clue tokens only cost 1 to activate and you don't have to tap them so you use urza to tap it for mana and use that mana to sac it

Because the anzrag fog loop gets you infinite attacks, not just untaps, you could also play hellrider effects. Zhur-taa druid is a bad mana dork that can work as a win-con. The options are there, even if they are bad.

Oh man, I love "Error: Modified File", its my favorite card ever! 32:06

Chulane, Teller of Tales with doorkeeper would be sick! Trying to brew Chiulane, may try heavy flash and Agatha's Soul Cauldron for some real spice

I love these guys energy

18:08 “whoa” 😂😂😂

The thrull is a two mana flying star piece that can trigger tymna. Maybe there's some sort of home in low color tymna stax? Hear me out, Livio/Tymna stax? Livio let's you pick up stax pieces your own stax pieces and is a two mana tymna attacker. It's not great by any means but it's interesting

The serviel lands as they are fetchable I honestly would like to test to see if they would be deece with only a single one in my deck. So if I got nothing to use my mana for or nothing was worth countering I could fetch instead a surveil land and it would be just an extra little dip in value. But won't play any more than 1 in a deck. Too many and it would affect my mana base too negatively.

Mastermind plum could also work in ob nix/ prosper tome bound. Getting more benefits from treasures

Forensic Gadgeteer will be sooooo good in Kinnan. It’s an extra Kinnan effect for Basalt and makes Grim Monolith work

17:31 in terms of filtering mana, artifacts either have to lose mana (like energy refractor) or tap/sacrifice (like the original eggs from odyssey or wizard’s rockets). There are a bunch of Eggs/KCI lines that Forensic Gadgeteer enables. Also, you can play Case of the Stashed Skeleton off of Lurrus, which is disgusting.

Melek was my....3rd? ever commander in casual, but I needed to take it apart because it was too solitaire for the playgroup. I REALLY now want to see what his reformed version does in cEDH 👀

Wouldn't trouble in pairs kind of stop the time sieve line from tivet?

43:35 it says creature CARD on it, but if it didn't it would not trigger. Tokens don't leave the graveyard, because "leaving" the graveyard is the process of moving to another zone. Tokens cease to exist as part of a state based action per (111.7.) A token that’s in a zone other than the battlefield ceases to exist. This is a state-based action. 603.6c Leaves-the-battlefield abilities trigger when a permanent moves from the battlefield to another zone, or when a phased-in permanent leaves the game because its owner leaves the game. This leads me to believe that you would not have any leaves the graveyard effects even if there was a card that existed with the templating "whenever a creature leaves your graveyard" without the need for it to be a card.

Anzrag work perfectly with Hellrider, you can do the infinite combats through fog and put in a hasty hellrider to deal the lethal damage.

Delney, streetwise lookout is great in tymna Dargo. You have a lot of good creature in that deck that abuses the second line of text with the etb

Inspiring statuary isn’t actually a bad shout as it works around null rod effects as a use for those rocks as you can improvise out the expensive creatures

the completely unhinged escalation on the surveil lands is possibly some of my favourite content

Are those the Berserk deluxe editions by Dark horse in the background? If so you guys earned extra cool points and a thumbs up.

I think Cam was thinking of Lay of the Land! One Green to grab a Basic.

in Anzrag aswell there’s the free green commander free instant in the Deflecting Swat cycle

I know very little about cEDH but would Tivit want Follow the Bodies? More artifacts to sac to time sieve and if you use treasures from Tivit to cast it add the to the gravestorm counter doesn't it? Just a thought that made sense in my mind. Great video!

Cam: “this is like, the most modes they’ve ever put on a card.” Sublime Epiphany: “am I a joke to you?”

I think follow the bodies wont see a lot of play in this meta because of dockside, however, I think it could be good a few things. Maybe Malcolm/Kediss // Malcolm/* because it’s easy to get the gravestorm up while also benefiting from mass artifacts

Tyler's Forensic Gadgeteer lore needs to be made into a Short asap

Highlight of my week right here

34:42 Yisan? Tyler knows what's up.

In regards to Insidious Roots, tokens aren't cards so they won't count as creature cards leaving the graveyard. I got schooled on this when building a Tormod, the Desecrator thinking i could sac a 2/2 zombie token to make a 2/2 zombie token to combo off with Mirkwood Bats.

isidious roots reads creature cards, tokens are not considered cards but they are considered permanents or it would work that way

Gadgeteer also is great will hulbreaker horror loops to draw your deck

There's a few scarecrow that does filter 1 for 1 generic to any color

S/o to Tyler wearing a Peach Fest shirt! Need more jam band rep in the cEDH scene

Cam picked up on prosper, but ya’ll forgot malcolm vial smasher for mastermind plum. Should be pretty decent there.

Irresistible prey is one mana cantrip that forces Anzrag to be blocked, I think possible uses for the card are with cheap indestructible or must block effects. I think it is fairly likely in cEDH that at least one opponent has a board of utility creatures with less than 4 total power so just having a must block effect would often give one extra attack and possible combat value effects. Overall it still seems too weak for competitive.

Idk if it goes anywhere else, but Ellivere DEFINITELY wants the thrull. Sure the gotcha flash thing is a bit weird and not always great but dropping it wnd of turn cycle then getting a role on it to beat face with is great.

Wouldn't Forensic Gadgeteer enable some card draw combos with Hully B. If you can produce colorless you can crack those clues for the card draw.

The flash stax cards are sweet and there’s a bunch of them now!

I love the conspiracy theory behind Mastermind Plum Shouts out to Cam bringing up ATLA

Insidious Roots doesn't trigger when tokens leave graveyard because it says "creature card", if it said "creature", then it would trigger.

Mastermind Plum, potential add for Malcolm decks? Got black partners in Tymna, Francisco, Vial Smasher, Tevesh... Could work maybe?

I'm absolutely sweating over the idea of casting Anzrag in my casual Xenagos deck. I love my disaster mole so much

For insidious roots rulings, yes tokens do hit the GY but there are 2 wording formats 1 for "permanents" and 1 for "cards". Tokens are not cards in this case but they do temporarily hit the GY. Descend keyword from Ixalan set highlights this.

Imagine that you Zur out the case of the Stashed Skeleton and then if you have a sac outlet it’s just a demonic Tutor 😂

36:15 Dig and Pollen are perfect together bc Dig is all of pollens cmc

Case of the Stashed Skeleton goes straight in my Korvold deck. Draws me 2 cards and is a Demonic Tutor. After testing it's better than Wishclaw and Grim Tutor in that deck. All the top 16 Korvolds are on Chatterfang+Pitiless Plunderer and 1 mana cheap token 'dorks' now and run lots of almost casual looking sac outlets. It's definitely better in niche decks than Mastermind Plum lol. he doesn't even have evasion. 3 mana?

Man, I can't believe Orcish Bowmasters didn't get mentioned in the Delney conversation. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw it.

not "follow us on Grindr"💀I love Tyler so much!

Fingers crossed for a Frantic Scapegoat playmat

I feel like the skeleton case would be good in Korvold as well because it gives you 2 sacrifice triggers

49:15 Cameron i love you so much for witching ATLA 💖 that is literally the best show ever made, tell Dylen and Tyler to fucking watch it pleaseee!

Regarding Insidious Roots: Tokens aren't considered cards when they leave the battlefield, so they won't trigger the second line of Insidious Roots.

It's worth investigating :D

The one thing about the thrall is, he also stops a One Ring ETB