How historically accurate are Hungary and Poland in CK3? 

Thanks for the shout-out guys! I am really glad I could help. It's rare to find a RU-vid channel that pays so much attention to detail and has such a good connection with members of its community. Oh, and you absolutely nailed the pronunciation of Polish names. I'm impressed. I wonder if it took much practice

3:16 Oh, more than okay terms! Admiral Horthy's government, on the ground of long-standing Polish-Hungarian friendship, declined, as a matter of "Hungarian honor,"Hitler's request to transit German forces across Carpathian Rus into southeastern Poland to speed up that country's conquest. The Hungarian refusal allowed the Polish government and tens of thousands of military personnel to escape into neighboring Hungary and Romania, In total, over 100,000 military and civilians, including children, fled from Poland to Hungary. The Hungarian authorities resisted German pressure to close the Polish Institute in Budapest, a Polish cultural institution established before the war. The Institute was a place where Polish culture was freely and legally cultivated at a time when it was brutally suppressed in German- and Soviet-occupied Poland and Europe. The Institute also published Polish literature and press, and in addition to cultural activities, it helped Polish refugees and civilians in Hungary, and gave Hungarian language lessons to Poles so that they could study at Hungarian universities. Dozens of Polish elementary schools were established in Hungary, 27 of which existed throughout the entire stay of Poles in Hungary, as well as high schools, including the significant Gymnasium and Lyceum in Balatonboglár, which functioned until the German invasion of Hungary in 1944. In German-occupied southeastern Poland, Hungarian soldiers gave shelter to Poles fleeing Ukrainian-perpetrated massacres, aided the Polish population with food, repelled attacks on Poles and Jews by Ukrainian nationalists, and hunted Ukrainian murderers of Poles. In 1941, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists called for the mass murder of Poles, Hungarians, Jews and Russians. In 1944, Hungarians gave shelter to Poles who escaped the Ukrainian murderers to Hungary, and also facilitated further escapes. In 1944, Hungarian soldiers refused to help Germans suppress the Warsaw Uprising in German-occupied Poland. Instead, Hungarians gave weapons, ammunition and medical supplies to the Polish insurgents. Some Hungarians who were caught doing so were executed by the Germans. Captured Polish insurgents were bandaged and fed by Hungarians, then released, given weapons and food, and shown the way out of German encirclement. Hungarians also rescued Polish insurgents by refusing to turn them over to the Germans, warned Poles of planned German pacifications, and took care of surviving Polish civilians. Some Hungarians even joined the fights on the side of the Polish insurgents. After the uprising, Hungarians shared food, medicines, and bandages with the expelled Polish population, whom they were supposed to convoy. The Hungarians also managed to save some Poles from deportation to German forced labour camps and concentration camps, for example by unhitching some of the wagons on the deportation trains.

Truly a visegrad moment

Some fun extra facts for the Hungary part: I.Béla the previous king died due to his throne collapsed on him (for real). I. László also made saint later too and he was know as a knight king, because he was the one who finished the conversion of the country and protecting it from the pagan Pechenengs. Also there is a story that Salamon was captive during László's reign until the day I. István was made saint. They coud not open the coffin of István until Salamon was relesased. Thats why Hungary's national holiday is not aug.15. (death of István) but aug.20. (when he made saint). Also you can find an another ruling house of Hungary in the game, the Aba. The third king Sámuel's descedants (his son is Prince Peter) can be found in Zemplén and played.

11:27 actually the realm was split between Władysław's sons (Bolesław and Zbigniew) after his death and Bolesław ruled over united Poland only after he banished and blinded his brother It's also worth mentioning that before Władysław's death, his sons defeated his Marshal and already carved realms for themselves

Poland and Hungary trying not to be gay for each other: impossible edition 💀

10:49 Said martial, Sieciech, is actually in game ruling Zielona Góra.

Regarding the portrayal of Poland in CK3 I hope when Paradox will revisit this region they could include another struggle in the game. In the case of Polish rulers, it was getting permission to be crowned Kings. To do so they had to either get permission and support from either the Emperor of HRE or from the Pope. In the case of Bolesław II the Generous, he undermined the HRE by supporting the Saxon opposition and acted as an arbitrator between the Saxons and the Polabian Slavs. That freed Saxon forces to rebel against Henry IV. He also supported the Papacy in the Investiture conflict further undermining Henry and securing the support of the Pope. Generally speaking, I wish there were more ways Poland could get involved in politics in HRE as it historically did constantly maneuvering between independence and vassalage. Still, it is possible and can be a lot of fun even in the current build of the game. Definitely recommend anyone trying to smear the Emperor's reputation and solidify alliances with his more unruly vassals. Imploding HRE is actually quite easy that way but still quite fun.

Great video! A suggestion for the next one is to take a look at the Norman courtier's in William the Bastard's and the other Norman vassal's courts. There are many interesting figures who would become the Conqueror's companions when he invaded England, and many of them became leading magnates later. Some ancient and influential houses are represented, like Giffards, Ferriers, Percys, Lacys, Courtnays, Bruses, FitzAlans, and many more. I think a lot of players don't realize that these folks aren't just randomly generate npcs but actually real people with interesting stories: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companions_of_William_the_Conqueror Some of his companions are also curiously not featured in-game. It could make for an interesting topic!

Since we are on the topic of mispronunciations, "de jure" is pronounced "de yooray". I also thought it was "zhure" for a bit because it looks French, but it is Latin, which doesn't have a "zh" phoneme :P

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!!!

Woohoo! Really glad for another upload

Great content as always!

Great video as always! Can you make one about Bohemia or Great Moravia?

The Polish and Hungarian orthographies are tricky. They both have S and SZ, but the readings are vice-versa! That's why Istvan should be pronounced [ishtvan], while, for example, the famous composer Liszt is [list].

You know what HiB? Thank YOU for another fantastic video!

It's probably worth mentioning that Boleslaw II waged war against Kievan Rus' twice in intervention into internal turmoil when the starting ruler of Ruthenia Iziaslav I was deposed - he actually helped him to be reinstalled as a ruler twice - in exchange Poland probably gained control over Cherven cities on the borderlands which were contested and conquered by Rus' during the reign of Jarolsav I.

Great work

Kudos to you, kind sir! A grand effort.

They are decent for the game but could be better. State of the Piasts until the death of Bolesław III was almost fully private undertaking of the ruling family. Administration of the realm was based on hillforts/castles (Grody). Some of them were governed by representatives of the prince called in latin sources Comes (in latin comrade). They were officials/clerks of the governed land - not feudal lords. They could be assigned and reassigned if only the prince wanted to do it. During the late XII and XIII centuries colonisation of polish interior happend. It created new land ownership situation. Now nobles were not only aristocrats as they were able to use their servants (or servants assigned to governed in the prince name by them castles) to cut forests and create estates which led to feudal relations and need of new organisation system. The same situation of teritorial organisation was present in Bohemia and Hungary. I would love to see representation of this in the game, maybe as a transition stage beetwen tribal and feudal government. Also the case of Władysław, brother of Bolesław II is now rediscovered. There is new book (well... 2014) about him called "Władysław Herman: king without a crown" (unfortunately i think its only in polish). Adam Krawiec, author, shows that Władysław's weaknes is misconception and that he was a decent king. His rule is complex as the main source (Gall Anonim chronicle) is biased (writed as a propaganda by Gall for the Bolesław III who fought against his father Władysław Herman). Also there is theory that nobles wich rebeled against Bolesław II were angry for his monetary policy. His coins were from year to year lighter and lighter. When Władysław became ruler he made the even heavier than they were before. His stats should be better as for now they represents his old historiographical portrayal of weak ruler whose wife has an affair with count palatine. But imo video is good, thanks for it. I'm into this subject because I'm history student and I'm writing bachelor degree about territorial organisation of early medieval Poland with comparasion to neighbours.

I created Slovakia as a custom kingdom today so this upload is well-timed.

Another great video

Absolutely love your content man! Please do India if possible. Also realised that the bgm is going hard with Poland being resonated with their civ 6 music theme great content once again!

Thanks for always giving me a new angle to go at CK3 with! Now to either re-write history with these realms or go for accuracy in a playthrough.

Awesome video! Could you do a video on the 876 start in Iran with the recently released Legacy of Persia?

Great video.

I didn’t know anglicans had a unique dialect of English.

For a long time I wondered how to start comprehending this period of history. Absolutely what I needed in my life!

I would love to see a vid on Holland, Flanders, etc. The lowlands or benelux basically.

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My man already pronounced Árpád incorrectly, we Magyars aren't that expensive

7:55 doesnt really help when the speech bubble blocks the entire region your talking about :p

I LOVE HISTORY IN BITS!

You did quite well with polish pronunciation. Congratulations!

Honestly i never play in 1066, but the videos are very interesting. Too bad you didnt say anything about those 2 mogyer counties down south in hungary. Can you make one about romanian principalities (and pechenegs, ig)?

Poland starts as a kingdom for balancing reasons as to not allow an easy HRE conquest and also due to the fact duchies just tend to love swearing fealty to empires Atleast thats what I think is the reason

Cherven Cities belonged to Poland before 981 and then in 1018-1031 and 1078-1085.

I love your pronounciation!! Its a bit off but I can tell you try your best, Its cute. Keep it up!

Id really like a video on the wallachia/moldova region

I would love to know about some of the history of the far east - Xi Xia, Guiyi, Tibetan governments etc!

Very great video. Im a little short on money right now, so just so you know, I will be subbing to the patreon again when I can

I started as Poland in CKIII, and formed the Baltic Empire eventually. Now that Empire takes up more than half the map.

Actually in middle ages there weren't any special relationship between Poland ang Hungary. Sometimes we fought each other, somethimes we allied, but it was normal for the time. Only time in middle ages when both countries were in close relations is XIV c. King of newly recreated Polish kingdom Władysław the Elbow Size, allied with strong king of Hungary Carol Robert. This aliance survived longer than both monarchs and was continued by theirs sons - Casimir the Great and Louis the Great, eventually ending in Polish-Hunagrian union. But after the union was broken Polish-Hungarian relations became cold. The true Polish Hungarian friendship started when both nations were under foreign rule - Poland was under Prussia, Austira and Russia, while Hungary was under Austrian controll. Polish independence fighters fought in Hungary and Hungarians in Poland.

As far as your pronounciation- good job, shows you put time and practice! Polish is not a cakewalk- very high on the complexity ladder.

7:34 Exact dates of Polish controll of Pomerania are unknown. It is suposed that in times of Bolesław II Pomerania was indeed independent.

Is there any history on the Pechenegs and Cumans?

For future videos involving Hungary: in Hungarian you pronounce s as sh, like in "shoe". The regular s sound in Hungarian is made by the sz.

The king of Poland is Bolesław II Szczodry, with szczodry meaning generous so you're right. The reason why they called him Bold is that they got kings mixed. The first king was Bolesław I Chrobry (died in 1025) and chrobry can be translated to bold.

Don't worry. Your pronunciation was very good.

a short time ago i ended my totally historical run with the Haestein Dynasty, first beeing elected Emperor of the HRE shortly after converting to Catholicism and then converting back and taking all of Europe to Ásatrú in the following years because, of course, everyone would follow me to Odin and never hold to their old believes! I ended my Game later, leaving the HRE and founding the Empire of Egypt, Syria and Mesopotamia with a Norse Custom Religion. Historicity!!11

Thanks for doing Poland

12:03 Piotr Włostowic was more like a governor than a duke - in Poland, except maybe earlier case of Miecław's rebellion in Mazovia and later case of Pomerellian governors from the house of Sobiesław claiming ducal title over Pomerelia during crisis of central power, only members of Piast dynasty received hereditary rule over parts of the country. There were no non-Piast feudal lords.

15:14 it is sad that you have not mentioned, that both Gejza and Laszlo have been substantially supported militarily by king Bolesław of Poland.

Do Georgia Next

9:18 that's a very good aim for Poland, sadly it didn't work out in the majority of Poland's existence.

At first I was like wait why aren't you talking about Bohemia as well but I forgot they were talkes about in the Holy Roman Empire episode lol

Was it a Chopin in background?

Is there a lore reason why Hungary is hungry? Is he famished?

You very well knew this comment had to appear: lengyel magyar - két jó barát együtt harcol s issza borát, vitéz s bátor mindkettője, Áldás szálljon mindkettőre Polak, Węgier, dwa bratanki, i do szabli, i do szklanki, oba zuchy, oba żwawi, niech im Pan Bóg błogosławi

Let’s go🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

I get that some "housekeeping" might feel appropriate to do at the start of videos but honestly this one could've started at the 2 minute mark and it would've been a better product especially for new viewers.

My favorite CK3 start is starting as the nomadic Hungarians in 866 and creating a settled state in modern day Ukraine and Russia, pushing the Slavs west and creating a Uralic Empire with a Mogyer-Mordvin hybrid culture.

The participation of Austria-Hungary has enraged the Entante, who punished them severely.

Erm... Włost was simply Piotr Włostowic's father, it's in the name (Włostowic is a patronymic). He did actually exist.

even today Hungary and Poland are stillbeing bros by vetoing laws in the EU together

I should get better at writing my comments to be a little bit gentler in tone. I was aspiring to make a comment that educates (mostly other viewers) and not chastize you, I do not expect anybody to perfectly pronounce Russian 😅

I would play. as as Salomon as he is the rightful king of hungary

Make one about the Vlachs too.

Ah yes, today I will play as a Polish character! >Wzczczprzcjszczy of Kwzczcvyzkyzkograd Nevermind!

Poland and Hungary not being rivals in the middle ages is straight up historical revisionism - Hungarian chronicles themselves have multiple accounts of wars and meddling in each other's politics, and the intermarriages were no different than those both countries had with, say, the HRE. For fuck's sake, Boleslaw I. and Stephen I. fought a war *against each other* - Boleslaw conquered lands up to the Danube and was only made to give them back when the HRE intervened. And it's not like that was an isolated incident, from What is now Spis in Slovakia being in Polish ownership for quite a long time to Matthias Corvinus laying siege to Wrocalw in an attempt to gobble up SIlesia. At best you can claim that early modern to modern relations were fairly peaceful - because both kingdoms had bigger problems. Hungary got gobbled up by the Habsburgs and was dragged into the Ottoman wars and had neither time nor resources for any expansion and Poland... didn't exist for large parts of time.

France next please 🙏 🇫🇷

i love this channel so much but please, coronated isn’t a word

I like to play as the Duke of transylvania in 1066 start date and marry the king of Croatia's sister and press my own claim for Hungary

I forgive for not being a cunning linguist

Why do people get so pissed off at mispronunciations. Literally who cares. English is his native tongue so there’s not much he can do about it.

Overall, Crusader Kings approach to titles gets rather unsuited for the Slavic rulers in the period. Generic title of the Slavic rulers was generally translated to Latin as "Dux" or "Princeps" - duke and prince, not "Rex" - king. It's because for Slavic rulers, title of Rex was seen more like a presttige ttitle of the fully independent ruler associated with the Western empire. The name of the "rex" in Slavic languages even comes from the name of the Charlemagnes. Therefore, this is not something that they were titling themselves, but were seen this as it was supposed to be granted by the pope or the emperor. Again, it was NOT a generic title of a ruler among the Slavs back than. Maybe they could represent this by making something like "Prince" the general ruler title of Slavic-speaking kingdom tier with the decision to get coronation as "King", if you have good relations with the pope, are famous and are catholic or something like that?

Who is going to expect engish speakers to get the pronunciation correct for every damn place. I heard swedish for the first time the other day, try as i might i couldnt figure out what language it was. Only ten million people in the world speak swedish, how would we know how to pronounce their cities. Anglo speakers just renanme places that are hard to say 👌

u didnt touch on the fact that Transilvania is pirtrayed as fully hungarian despite the heavy vlach pressence in the area at the time

POLSKA GUROM

Old European kingdoms Poland and Hungary? I’m sure Ancient Kingdom of Poland and Hungary? I don’t think so. Just by word “ancient” I imagine kingdoms that were before Christ, like Egypt, Persia imho

Why did the kings of Hungary have Slavic DNA R1a, what did the research of the tomb in Stolichne Belgrade near Bel 3 in the male line find? Why was it written in Slovak Cyrillic under the Arpád family, when even our King Štefan 1 had an embroidered inscription in Slovak Cyrillic on his coronation mantle, God be generous and merciful? Why did Palatine of Hungary Juraj Turzo have a Slovak funeral, when 2 sermons were given in Slovak and 1 in Latin in the church. Why do Hungarians have nothing in common with Finns, not a single word or DNA, but they are like brothers with Slovaks? After all, they still celebrate the old Slovak Christmas - Christmas - Kračúň (shortest day of the year - solstice). SLOVAKS and HUNGARIANS are a brotherly nation artificially divided by fraudsters called historians and politicians. The Turkish 150-year occupation of today's Hungary has linguistically confused the population and torn them from their roots.

Dude stop saying de jure like it is a French word cos it’s Latin

You're starting the video 2 minutes in, this is unacceptable, work on that. Just jump immidiately in without all that crap.

Linguists don't necessarily know how to pronounce things in different languages. You don't need to learn another language at all to be a linguist. you can be monolingual and study linguistics