How K9 Kuro Threatens Nijisanji and other VTuber Agencies 

Nijisanji? Sure. Hololive? Not really.

In his debut before listing the rules, Kuro specified he doesn’t have a nsfw tag and doesn’t want nsfw in his art tag because he doesn’t “want to attract the type of fans it garners”. He def was sick of the crazy fans

The day someone like Selen leaves should be celebrated. Not because "she's gone woooooo", but because she'll finally be free, and she'll be able to do the things management didn't want her to do. Like everyone always says: "Love the talents, loathe the company."

Honestly despite losing 3 big members, that honestly werent interacting with the rest of the members much, this year is in a pace be a net positive for Vshojo since they can pickup any niji EN graduates But its not vshojo or kuro who's threatening NijiEN, its their own incompetence in managing, vshojo's just here to give second chances to people that want somthing better for themselves

''Mista wasn't burnt out from vtubing, he was burnt out from Nijisanji.'' And so was Nina. I remember her being unhappy with management after one stream (right before her final break). She came back and announced graduation, and said that it has totally nothing to do with management. Her Graduation notice did however read like she wants to still grow as an internet personality, but on her own terms, and not under a company. So yeah, it does seem like vtubers who quit Niji, are not tired of streaming, they just see greener pastries outside of Niji.

He's the first domino to fall, but I don't think his side-switch alone is enough. I don't know how many people share this opinion, but I think Selen is the ultimate key here, and kinda the last ace of NijiEN. She's basically the one man army absolute content machine of the branch. I'd go as far as calling her the most valuable member there, even with her ideas severely limited by management. Not in a financial but in a symbolical sense. If she were to graduate, Vshojo would be waiting on the NijiHQ doorstep to recruit her, hell, I can even easily imagine Hololive making some drastic decisions to take her in without a full new gen ready. She's an extremely talented content creator as is, but on top of that she absolutely has the ability to be the bridge between the vtuber and esport circles, two communities that aren't too far from each other but have only a relatively small intersection. Unless Nijisanji has a return to Jesus moment, they'll lose her, she'll 100% join another corpo, and will 100% make the waves she's held back from making in Niji. I think that is the point where NijiEN's gradual decay would become irreversible. Edit, 2024/02/05: "Boy, this aged way better than I wish it did...."

I highly doubt that Kuro will be able to colab with niji. Niji seems very bitter about it from the fact that they allow their talents to follow other vshojo talents but not Kuro and the fact that (as far as I know) no Niji member has even acknowledged Kuro. I don’t think that’s the talents being bitter I think management is just bitter.

Man if Selen graduates i'm sure even Cover will find an excuse to try to snatch her and debut a lone member like "we want to experiment with esports content but we dunno if it will work so we just debuted one person" but yeah is most likelye that Vshojo will snatch her, but i can see Selen wanting to go to Holo because of Mumei.

So the reason he joined vshojo is because his accountant didn't pay his taxes that he paid him to do , then when he failed to pay taxes the interest fucked him up , then the helping hand that saved him resolve it was ironmouse and gunrun , it also didn't help that niji took all the money from merch so he just switched brands.

1, Kuro is basically pewdiepie’ing, posts whatever he wants whenever he wants. He already got the bag and is now just doing what he loves, content creation. He said it himself in the debut stream, “there are going to be IRL streams, IRL videos. I’m not just vtubing.” 2, I believe he initially wanted to go indie, and had he not felt indebted to gunrun (who was helping altruistically imo) would have. Just because the model has been in the works for a long time doesn’t mean he was thinking of jumping ships at that time. It was only when his finances began to fuck up really bad that he ended up joking vshojo. And correct me if I’m wrong since I have 0 knowledge of UK taxations, but an independent contractor like Kuro and members of certain corporate agencies would have to pay a special kind of tax weekly/biweekly/monthly/bimonthly. And iirc it’s nearly 10% of the yearly profits. And delayed payments (obviously) get penalised. It’s my belief that this is how he got saddled with so debt(?) initially and really needed someone familiar with self-employment legalise to fix, which gunrun is.

Bro walked so doki could soar

I'm just glad that kuro is happy and well for where he is

seeing some of the rules and boundaries that kuro had to put felt so targeted to his old fanbase💀 honestly, i was always freaked out by some of them. i think part of the reason he got so burnt out was because of them. being treated so weirdly and like babyish? would make me feel pretty disgusting. i really really really hope that with vshojo and a new vtuber identity he'll be able to be more comfortable and get the better fanbase he deserves

When a vtuber leaves an agency, the only thing that makes me sad is the lose of interactions with the other members, the fun collabs etc. At the same time, I'm really glad that we can see them around, even if they're in another form. I'm just waiting for a certain orc/not vampire to show again with a vshoujo logo... just saying...

So one thing you got wrong, he had his model being worked on way before he even met gunrun. It's not because he was thinking of jumping ship to vshoujo from the beginning, but I think gunrun passed him a deal after/while the tax fiasco was being fixed and Kuro felt indebted to him.

I was so sad when Mysta graduated. He was my favorite. I'm happy that he came back as Kuro. I did prefer the name and design of his past persona but I'm happy as long as he is happy. I'm gonna support him regardless of what persona he is gonna take. Behind that screen is still the same person that made me laugh and I could relate to back then.

If Kuro can recruit the other Niji EN talents to join Vshojo and they agree, and it's happening behind Anycolor's back, then....that's what I call a true threat to Niji and Anycolor.

honestly speaking, I thought that Nijisanji would at least treat Luxiem better since they are the ones that brought NijiEN to go viral. but then seeing how cursory they treated mysta, i wonder how bad will the others be treated as well?

4 months later selen is gone.... rip selen and i hope the best for all the livers love the talents hate the company

As mentioned by Kson Shojo can also be virgin. Shoujo (girl) and Shojo(virgin). Since he has no rizz he meets the criteria.

I am sure Mysta's Burnout was from Management and how they care about their talents

Kuro relayed a story about how he was in Tax trouble, and in desperation, he contacted anyone he could think of for help. Ironmouse was one of the few to respond, she said said to talk to Gunrun, who helped him with tax advice. Kuro was impressed on how helpful Mousie and Gunrun were, and how they seemed to care how he was doing.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get to the point these Niji ex talents decide to release a diss track against the company.

16:58 regarding that, I think the collab would be blocked, probably because Hex Haywire followed Kuro on twitter then unfollowed him for some reason (I only noticed because of a tweet from a private account I followed). Heck, he even tweeted that was probably alluding to Mysta's debut and it was a positive tweet too.

As a Hololive fan, I have to say I respect those that take care of themselves. Good luck to him.

Haruka is actually one of the talents who auditioned. I think what Vshojo might be doing in that regard is seeing how the talent works with their own talents, talking with management, etc. So if you see someone collabing with them a lot, like Geega, this probably is who will eventually be offered a place in it.

I think rather than nepotism, VShojo feels more like a cooperative owned by the Vtubers themselves, rather than Vtubers working for a company.

All the big 3 agencies get established people. Iluna was all established people. Exsoleil was mostly established people. Nobody in HoloEN is a newbie creator, some of them were huge indies, others were proffessional entertainers outside of streaming and some were even corpo VTubers. VShojo especially wants established people because They operate on talent freedom. You need people you can trust with a platform and your brand. You can't support someone with all the freedom they advertise if they can't trust you. On the audition bit, they did deliver on it. They chose Haruka. She auditioned and they picked her. People can dislike that all they want, but they did fullfil the auditions and it turns out to not be a good methid for them.

I’m actually starting to think he joined VShoujo purely for tax reasons (I know nothing about the real world or how taxes work, im not an adult, don’t take what I say too seriously). If VShoujo offered him an actual job contract with benefits and support while Niji is basically freelance, it’d make a lot of sense considering his situation with taxes. He did say he was planning to go indie but for mousey to have changed his mind this drastically there must have been smth in it for him that would be insanely beneficial. Maybe it has to do with Niji being an originally Japanese located company and VShoujo being in the US? Idk I’m talking out of my ass here I’m literally just a 17 yo brazilian that doesn’t know shit lol

I had a feeling around the time Nina announced her graduation that it was long overdue. When people said another big head was falling, I felt like 3 people would be most likely to graduate: Vox because he was burned out, Mysta because of how the Genshin community, his haters and his para social fans ruined his mood and happiness. Mika said basically that she saw it unfolded because she was close to him. But watching clips gives another clue. The last one was Selen because of how management shackled her creativity. If I was her I would be so effing pissed it's not even funny. I don't know how she feels (and despite liking her design knowing doesn't matter to me) but if she leaves I would not be shocked at all

1:34 A prediction of the future!?

Not surprised Vshojo swiped Kuro. Ironmouse alluded to it already after his grad.

Nijisanji get what they deserved. Its ashamed because they are great talents to support (for me its now pomu) but its disturbing that those talents are voicing their frustrations about nijisanji. Another hit for them is vox just dips and debut in Vshojo 2-3 months.

Honestly I am a fan of the NijiEn talents that they hire, but I absolutely LOATHE NijiEn management. I started using twitch because of Kuro, and if my oshi switched I would be very happy for them getting the fuck out of there. Also about the $350K taxes thing, Kuro has gone on stream and done math problems and genuinely struggled with multiplication facts. He's by far not an idiot, he's a genius at content creation. Kuro was failed by his education system, and I'm not saying that to smear his character, but I'm saying that he didn't get the education he *deserved*. I think this is gonna be similar to hololive before they started to improve. NijiEn will either need to start treating their talents like actual human fucking beings or die out. Your choice NijiEn management :)

Will Smith had a run in, with tax problems after he made it big in the Fresh Prince. He didn’t know how taxes worked and it bit him hard early in his career. Coming from poor backgrounds can be rough when no one warns you about hurdles, once you have money

Correlation does not imply causation, he might be planning to leave Niji and start a new persona for more than a half-year, yet it does not imply that he wanted to join Vshojo, just before the story about how Mouse and Gunrun helped him, he said he didn't intend to join them.

Vshojo is quickly becoming the "abused Vtuber shelter"

ive always been a fan of niji in general so to see how bad the company is these days and how the community is practically begging for all their talents to graduate and escape niji is disapointing to me. im all for previous talents going on with their lives and maybe even joining vshojo like Kuro; but it still hurts me that i cant simply enjoy them as niji talents anymore. people would just call me a corpo defender just for saying im a niji fan these days.

If he was a threat think about how now TWO NIJISANJI tubers joined Vshojo in less than a year of leaving the company. First we have Mysta but now we also have FoxMom (Nina) debuting under Vshojo

Vshojo's hiring strategy is smart. If anything, they don't go hard enough into that strategy. I've felt for years that they don't hire enough people, and are just wasting opportunities. Yeah sure, everyone makes fun of them for being the agency of the recently graduated, but like, just embrace that label. Build an empire off of it. Why do they only have 11 members after 3 years? (and realistically it's 10).

I am a NijiEN fan, but even I have to admit this is a BIG VShoujo W and a MAJOR NijiEN L.

I... honestly don't think VShojo nor K9 would be enough. Zaion pulled the pin but the grenade didn't explode. :/ Corporate VTubers still has their own classifications, with Holo obv. the 5✴️ hotel, followed by Niji, then VShojo. With the classiications comes restrictions, and each of them is dependent on _revenue._ As long as $ flows, Niji won't go down.

Here's hoping it really does make them wake up their ideas Friendly clique or not, if enough big names collab tgt and create a unique/OG event in Vshojo that might be a small gamechanger

Somebody once said "Join Vshounen". That madlad predicted the future 2 months ago. Just go back to my comment in the video regarding Mysta's graduation, if you don't believe me. You won't miss it. Also, I'm glad Mysta found a place to belong to in Vshojo.

NijiEN needs to hire more staff members to help their streamers with basic stuff like taxes. It's such an easy fix that I hope they can see and realize from within as we see it from outside.

If the only reason someone leaves their agency is bad treatment by the management and getting sabotaged at every step, they should get a chance in a place where they get treated like actual human being.

I think it may depend on the generations? The oldest ones possible. But the most recent ones, probably not. Reasoning is that the newer members from both HoloEn and NijiEn may have also auditioned for Vshojo before being accepted into their respective companies, and I would guess it may not sit well with them if they were extended an invitation only after they got somewhat big.

recruiting successful and hard working people is not nepotism, getting someone new that has no idea what he is doing just because he is a relative/friend is

Lucas did say something about this and felt shocked how Lucas dealt with the Kuro situation more maturely.

I'm honestly happy for Mysta, I MEAN, Kuro. He deserves better than a shitty black corpo holding him back. As you and many others pointed out, if Niji doesn't make drastic changes Selen is next to go and join Vshoujo. I'll go as far as to say she's already planning it like Mysta did. She's clearly unhappy and recently shared what her goals in the near future are and most of them are literally unreachable with the current state of Nijisanji. Niji EN is crumbling and I am DELIGHTED to see it

Vshojo is a good jumping point for people that leave agencies and take nothing with them. Being given another identity that you can take (i'm assuming you can but well see when one of them leaves that wasn't pre established) is a big plus.

So, the life cycle of a Vtuber is: 1) Start as unknown indie 2) Joins Niji for a year 3) Graduate from Niji 4) Joins Vshojo with former or new character 5) Leaves Vshojo with their character and fanbase

Honestly my takeaway from the Nux drama is it seemed like a lot of things happened behind the scenes that we don't know about. I don't know that the talents are completely blameless but it seemed like they were fed incorrect information/mislead by their management team

Hopefully this will incentivise Nijisanji to start incentivize its talents.

Feels like it’s fad decay setting in; the trend setters are stagnating due to bloat, arrogance and festering issues, while the new startups aren’t caring about the environment and are just trying to turn short term profits than play the long game. All together, at least there’s enough people willing to innovate and try different approaches.

I'm glad I clicked your video, as much as I want to stay silent about this topic so that he can enjoy his new identity again. I was having second thoughts and doubts. If Kuro does actually stay in Vshojo as long as he wants and is happy here then I'd love to see how things go for him. I would've wanted him to take a break but seeing him happy again and probably taking the time to recover better by being a vtuber again IN THIS company then I'm happy and proud. I was also surprised about some of the rules like I'm so proud of him being able to start fresh and make new boundaries! Just like on his first official song before he left he like explained the inappropriate lyrics saying he wrote it because it's what we wanna hear while the deep shit is his true words, how he actually feels. So maybe yeah, he did probably feel like he couldn't set boundaries of being sexualized, being called boyfriend names and so on back then.

What I'm going to say is kinda hinted and I won't say who it is because technically this is forbidden membership knowledge, but there are members of Nijisanji that have really had it with Nijisanji, but they can't leave out of fear that indie is a very risky prospect. They'd have to get a new model which are expensive and hope to god their audience follows them. It also means they can't collab with Nijisanji anymore which is probably one of the best perks as a niji streamer are the people you like to collab with and its a bit of a safety net. That safety net is also a curse though. It scares livers to keep producing content out of fear of losing that safety net. If Vshojo exploits that, Nijisanji EN and ID could simply leave and join Vshojo as it gives them a proper safety net. Hololive is good. Hol;olive generally treats their members with respect and assists them on what kind of streamer they want to be.They're not going to be able to poach Hololive. Nijisanji is not supporting their talents nearly as well and if Vshojo exploits that, it would seriously hurt Nijisanji as a whole. Especially if they poach their top talents such as Selen, Enna, and Vox. You know its bad when members are telling their oshi to graduate because they hate how their oshi is being treated.

For me this debut came out of the blue, I was completely unaware that Mysta came back as Kuro, and by all means good for him.

Hololive is a talent first company that is building a successful company by realizing their assets are people. Nijisanji sees their talent as a means to the ends of their fanbases wallets. Vshojo is turning into a check against agencies that, for one reason or another, cannot or will not support their talent (in its current state).

I hope Nina can join in too. Kson x Nina would be bonkers!

Well well well, look what crawled into Vshojo now

on kuro's debut, the powerpoint slideshow had this hat thing with ears. it literally looked like our fav fox detective's hat just in different colors. he's back in another city as someone else

dayum i was so surprised to hear his british voice again , i

NijiEN better smart up, one day Selen will tire of fighting with management to get simple things started like that design contest.

“NijiEN management right now seems very petty and very ducking weird” I’m not one to read up dramas normally, but this is truely UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE CENTURY, bruh they are so petty and with no tack, vtubers might be individual contractors, but they have feelings, Nijien sounds like they are treating vtubers as tablecloth with no tack and rudely, and squeeze them dry until they’re torn and go “whoops sorry about that”. Nijijp has better care of their talent, nijien better get some management responsible soon and improve how they care for their talents

Man people take these things way too seriously, at the end of the day its just some mfs playing games and hanging out 💀

If more niji en really graduates and join vshojo i hope they can stream outside of twitch because i don’t really like twitch because i can’t rewatch old vods

I will be waiting for matara kan vid now

Waiting for Nina to join Vshoujo

Mysta joining opens the door for Male vtubers like Vesper or Yugo joining Vshojo.

i got into nijisanji en a few months ago, i started watching enna,kyo,mysta clips THEN mysta announced his graduation that kinda fkd me up but im glad that hes back now

Its so bizarre to me that Nijisanji wouldn't help Mysta with his tax problem. They're a multi billion dollar company, and Mysta was one of their top earners. Of all people Ironmouse and Gunrun, people who aren't part of Niji saved his ass.

“How K9 Kuro threatens Nijisanji” He does not at all lol You’re the type of people Luca, Millie, and Kanae talked about. Dramabro behavior.

I'm not convinced that vshoujo has figured out how to grow big yet. I still see them more like people who gets along forming a "company". I mean they somehow managed to lost 3 core members from an already small group. remember one of the reasons for leaving? are you still friends when you haven't hang out for many months? It really is a gathering of individuals that gathers when they got along, and leaves when they stop getting along. we'll figure out whether they still get along during the renewal period next year. I don't know whether they have managed to foster that sense of camaraderie that makes the individuals choose to stay even when they can get better contract somewhere else. Honestly I don't see why holo en or id would move to vshoujo. Unlike with niji, all of them got their 3d and concerts within the expected time. Unlike niji en or id where imo only some of them would ever got their 3d, because of resource mismanagement, holo has proven that they are better at managing resources which gives all their members similar treatment. The problem with niji's shotgun approach is that some of them are bound to not gain traction and they will get starved of resources, which will lead to disappointment. It's a real survival of the fittest. Holo has somehow managed to guarantee anyone that joins them at least similar resources (3Ds, birthday, anniversary, etc), even the ones that are having difficulty gaining traction, which creates loyalty. Unless a major incident happens, they have a major life changes or they get really demotivated/bored, I don't see any of them leaving. Hell, They don't even put pressure on them to stream. Have you seen how rare choco, ayame, shion, roboco and gura stream? There's even a clip of subaru scolding choco because she's taking so much break. The strength of holo's strong community means even the ones that underperform would also get their numbers pulled up, which means there's even less reason for them to leave. This means those who underperform gets the time needed to figure out their niche/ audience. The weakness of this strategy is that having too many underperformers can drag down the whole company, due to resources being spent fruitlessly, fortunately somehow most of holo hires has been bangers.

This is what competition looks like. Don't want VShojo to take your talent? Treat your talent better than VShoujo would. Simple strategy. VShoujo acting as a threat to bigger corpos is better for everyone involved. Except for share holders who want extra yachts.....

I don't think Vshojo has the ability to threaten Niji. Few members may leave randomly but you can multiply that by 3 of how many EN members join to Niji every year alone.

To be fair it could also be read as VShojo meaning Virtual Virgin as 処女 Shojo does mean virgin in Japanese, granted female virgin but still virgin as a quick google translate says virgin however the Japanese says 童貞(Dōtei) for Male Virgin. Just saying if they really wanted they could say that it means Virtual Virgin

Depressed Nousagi should just become a next big Filipino Femboy/Eboy Vtuber after Kuro. 😂

I find it a little curious that just as soon as this video posted a few niji members ACTUALLY talked about the hate being directed to niji and how they felt about it. Just a FYI, its all fun and games going "boo niji bad" or "boo holo bad" and whatever, but even though there are real problems, many of the talents are STILL working there, and many STILL very much love doing that! Its crazy to me how people go "Meh, X should leave niji and join xx agency" when some of those talents have repeatedly (and recently, very directly) mentioned how much they actually like it there. I'm not saying its bad to wish better for the streamers, but that things like these drama channels also cause a big part of the hate many of them end up getting. And thats honestly just sad.

NijiEN screwed NijiEN

It's funny how everyone is treating nijisanji as this imaginary villain when the livers themselves keep saying they're tired of drama like this and how this affects them more and they keep saying good things about their management but you never see those things clipped or spread around since it's against what people want to think and believe and it will not get the numbers I guess, also please stop with the I hope that and this liver graduate and go to a certain company because you will never see them act like this and be this charming if they weren't in their current company this applies to vtubers from other companies too they shine in their own way in the place that accepted them first

Others: "What about the auditions!?!? 😭" Why don't you ask Nux about that?

I am ready to download twich for this guy 😂❤

Honestly I will agree, it's too early for people to already categorize a Vshonen branch for the agency when only one vtuber fits the bill. I know Bubi is a thing but... we all know the one behind him still collabs as himself with Mouse, so he'd never become an official member. There IS another guy who would very likely join a Vshonen but... his gf left Vshojo and he's gotten to facecamming more often, but if not for those two things, Aethelstan would've been an easy pick

1:35 welp lol😂🎉

nina just debuted in vshojo! her reincarnation (new name) is matarakan, a cockroach vtuber!

Mysta was the first Male Vtuber for Niji En and now he is doing the same thing on Vshojo 😂

Man.... I just hope that Kuro stays good friends with the people in Niji specially with Luca

I think his age is around 20-ish. Considered as young adults about to begin their journey into the real world. I can't blame him for his mistakes because how many people earn as much as he did at that age? I started learning about taxes after years of working in the corporate world.

I just hope this would trigger Nijisanji to have better management for EN but honestly I don't know. They seem to be doing well in JP and always assume that's their main focus unlike Holo, they might not care that much like we expect. I follow Holo a bit more but there are so many Nijisanji talents that I really like.

This is like a wrestler jumping to a different company if they get fired lol

I think vshojo's model of taking large vtubers may hopefully make bigger vtuber companies work harder to create a good work environment. If there is an easy place for their cash cows to go, they'll work harder to keep them happy so they don't leave.

I searched on Twitter and Mika didn't tweet him, but she is following him. And only her. The other Nijis aren't following. Interestingly, Mika is the only Niji following Kson. Mika most based Niji confirmed 😂 Also, only until Luxiem is following Ironmouse. The newer gens aren't. So, yeah, Vshojo is blacklisted by Anycolor 😅

In one of Enna's streams she voiced how she didnt want to go back to retail if she were to graduate Nijisanji. Im guessing she really doesnt have options except for Niji so hopefully Vshojo or a well established company picks her up because her talent cannot be wasted. If I recall correctly Mysta did some collabs with Enna hopefully it wasnt just all professional but she most like wants to have millie in vshoujo as well.

more competition is good in general. gives talents opportunities to do other stuff that they couldn't do before. This also makes the companies clean up their own stuff so they will be less likely to bleed talent.

I already felt this way with Nina but this really cements the fact that burnout for these streamers is real and isn't helped by how incompetent and neglectful their management is. Niji and AnyColor really need to reform the way they run their business or else they'll eventually lose everything.

nina and mysta deserve the world and i hated seeing them leave but i knew they deserved and wanted to do more than they could and when more people begin to leave niji en I hope they understand why

ALWAYS LOVE THE TALENTS NEVER THE COMPANY I think people forget sometimes they can support individuals instead of having to support or like Companies, I don't like some Vshojo members but still love others and let's be honest contract and career wise this was good as heck for him, I don't know specifics but alongside the monetary, brand and merch opportunities there's also some degree of content freedom I mean he already made a reaction to TikToks already which he couldn't do before I believe, it was late for me so appreciate the effort on making clips man thank you

even a bg name of niji en is leaving due the company management.. i can't imagine how it feels to became exniji id member

the hardest part of joining vshojo is honestly how slow they go about adding new members. if they add a member once a month, there might be room for lesser livers. it's this once in a blue moon model where - because there's always graduations and drama happening per year, you get one nepo hire, one salvage hire, and then long blocks of nothing - there's no time or room to think about or consider lesser livers. plus, without knowing much about the lesser liver, you might welcome unneeded drama.