How Maegor Saved House Targaryen Explained Game of Thrones House of the Dragon ASOIAF Lore 

Who wins iron throne or maegor targaryen

@@XiaoZhanTaipei aaaaaaa wrong answer homie bled out like a yellowfin tuna on the iron throne

@@XiaoZhanTaipei he still died childless and the Inbredgaryens got wiped out💀

​@@tommysoliz3064they haven't been wiped out yet.

@@7FrozenLocust7 Daenerys is in a body bag, cry for the inbreds

The charges against margery was legit tho.

​@@cklambowdym?

And then she destroyed the faith cuz she got the taste of her own medicine

Then the Faith arrested Cersei for adultery and incest. She asked for trial by combat and sent a letter to Jaime begging him to return to Kingslanding to be her champion. Jaime read the letter and threw it away. Cersei had chased him away from Kingslanding. He was done with her after realizing that Cersei was just using him and was keeping him from fulfilling his own needs and didn't truly loved him like he did her.

@@cklambowhat evidence do we have against her? Not counting Cersei’s delusions

His mount was called Balarion the Black Dread. In my humble opinion the Faith should have taken heed. ❤️🩸🐉🔥

He took 6 wives😐

​@@mysterytube6548because he needed to have an heir to secure his reign for good, besides Valyrians are polygamous

@@hachibidelta4237 yeah

@@hachibidelta4237He didn’t need to forcibly marry and rape the widows of men he killed, his niece among them.

🔥🐉🩸

Maegor: and i finna Show you why my Banner says what it says.

Maegor: Find Out

@@joshuabutler2717 Maegor: Bled out

😂

which is one of the reasons why, imo, jaeharys Irst realised that maegor was a necessary evil and very useful to house targaryen to keep the power in westeros

​@@kaludgo5811 Not entirely. Jaehaerys rocked up with the Doctrine of Exceptionalism

I think that's the reason why the redkeep kept Maegor Holdfast name

@@hachibidelta4237 Kinda poetic in a ironic way. The namesake of the holdfast is kinda like the way he defended House Targaryen from the faith as the holdfast keeps it's occupants protected even behind the walls of the Red Keep.

@@thalmoragent9344 the doctrine wouldn't have been effective if the faith had the might to oppose him. Maegor broke them and only then did Jaehaerys attempt to take the throne

That precisely prove why Tywin Lannister always said that his daughter wasn't as smart as she thought she was 😂

She honestly thought she was the smartest person in the room, the true heir to her father's intellect. @@florianefox

⁠​⁠@@florianefoxCersei always deludes herself into thinking she is Tywin's equal in intelligence, but deep down she knows that isn't true. It's part of why she hates Tyrion. Out of all his kids, Tyrion is the one that is most like Tywin, intelligence and all.

​@@alejandromelendez1609cersi's hate for Tyrion has nothing to do with Tywin intelligence copy, it's 100% based on a prohecy she had with a woods witch at 10yrs.

@@user-qv4bp7vg6u nope. Cersei has always hated Tyrion because of reasons not related to the prophecy. The death of her mother being one of them, the humiliation of being the sister to a dwarf being another, and his intelligence being yet another. The prophecy just compounded what was already there. It's not the source of her disdain for Tyrion.

He committed self deletion. He was mentally and emotionally weak.

@@paulraines9635 That's not confirmed, his death remains a mystery and there are multiple theories. One he committed suicide Two he was killed and made to look like suicide or Three the throne rejected him and killed him.

@@davidspooner4582 All three of those scenarios make him weak.

​​@@paulraines9635does it? You ever seen star wars? In star wars the ''force'' directly guides certain events to a out come, like its correcting the path of the universe we have a lot of evidence in GoT that something is doing the same thing, i genuinely believe he was the king they needed at the tine however, due to his nature he could NEVER remain on the iron throne, doesnt mean he was weak, he just out lived his usefulness to the greater plot of the world.

not really hes fighting 3 of the strongest forces in the world dragon/maesters/lords@@paulraines9635

I mean, the dude had a massive, napalm spitting, flying dragon that could swallow an elephant in one bite. The militant faith were either very brave or just incredibly stupid. A little of both, maybe.

@@nasis18 yup. Absolutely

I believe it is visenya who should this show revolves around. She is the true menace among all the Targaryens

@@shyxpretion7429 true true didn’t she help resurrect Maegor after he went into a coma

@@AllThoughtsActual i think so, nd she’s the one who went through the conquest from start to finish nd put the foundation for the dynasty by helping Maegor.

@@shyxpretion7429 I wanna see her debating with Ageon she was his hand wasn’t she?

@@AllThoughtsActual "didn’t she help resurrect Maegor after he went into a coma" - yes, and a theory says, he came back from the coma "changed" (for the worse) and became "the cruel". Maybe brain damage.

Yeah that is not true Maegor was as crazy as Joffrey but more dangerous, both died the same, and he made so many enemies, that if Dorne invaded westeros in the middle of the civil war, no great house was gonna move a finger, and you can not kill Dornishmen with dragons, it would be the end of the dinasty before it began

​@@camiloruizcastellar4740you can very much kill dornish men with dragons. The only reason Dorne survived was because they had enough land to hide in while the dragons destroyed empty keeps. They used guerilla tactics and inhospitable land to win If they tried to muster an army to invade the seven kingdoms they would die like the rest. Seriously this is some "fire cannot burn dragons" level of misunderstanding the lore...

@@sudanemamimikiki1527 misunderstood what? in the books there is no such thing as fire proof people much less in dorn WTF??? right now the golden company took several fortresses in the storm lands and now Dorne is gonna join the invasion, they can easily take the iron throne from Cersei they could have done this by their own if not for his Lord waiting endlessly, if this scenario is happening now, in times of maegor when Dorne armys were huge, a strong navy and the alliance of the faith militant, and even great houses not used to been bossed around by Targaryens, even if they lost, that was a great bullet they loss there

​​@@sudanemamimikiki1527Yeah but were they conquered by dragons? No. That's his point. Rather than him misconstruing the lore, you're deliberately misconstruing his comment. I don't think Dorne is capable of toppling the Targaryens at this point in time either but who's to say really.

@@DngrDan he literally says " no can not kill dornishmen with dragons" Which is quite the few letters away from "Dorset wS not conquerrored with dragons" Secondly he says " if dorne invaded westeros" Which, as a concept, is quite far away from "dorne defending their own territory from attacks by using the land to their advantage" So yeah nah.

Too bad they skipped Maegor's story and the entire first half of Fire & Blood to adapt the Dance of Dragons Civil War

The stories will get tv adaptation over the years! Too many good stories to tell to not do it

Fr, they could do one with the war between the first men and children of the forest, the doom of valyria, they could cover the other continents that we know pretty much nothing about, aegons conquest, egg and duncan. There are probably more that I dont know about

Too bad it takes years to get aired

@@onceafetus426 I always wanted the first Blackfyre rebellion tbh

we'll see him in the conquest show they're developing After Dunc&Egg The Conquest will be the next show we get to see

Aneays fled with Dragons???......wtf

@@mrkareem75x68 weakness he was to kind not enough hardness in him the people of westeros forgot that they where conquered Maegor reminded them

@@zeakatep171 🤣.....oh yea Aegon the

@@mrkareem75x68 exactly 😁

@@zeakatep171How was stealing the throne, killing his nephews, and raping his niece necessary to fight the Faith?

Reminds me of Killmonger's speech to Shuri when she had that dream.

​@TheHiddenNarrative Still doesn't always justify the means

He didn’t get shit done. The Faith was still openly rebelling and thousands strong by the time he died.

​@@MorallyDubiousFrogand yet Jaeharys got the easier time of disarming them

@@herrdoctor2895 Because he negotiated with them while also sending an army of emissaries out to preach a doctrine of Targaryen exceptionalism. Even then, Jaehaerys had to assassinate the leader of a large host of Faithful who were camped outside Oldtown.

He wasn’t an efficient ruler, the dynasty nearly fell apart during his reign.

​@@MorallyDubiousFrogBro hasn't read Fire & Blood ⚰️

@@browniebear Faith Militant swarmed the countryside for his entire reign. High lords were openly rebelling against him.

​​@@MorallyDubiousFrogbro hasn't read fire and blood without maegor no targeriyan dynasty like it or not so keep crying

@@alfieingrouille1528 How did usurping the throne, killing his nephews, and raping his niece save the Targaryen dynasty?

The Faith was still in open rebellion with thousands of fighters when Maegor died. Even more Kurds supported them than at the start. How was stealing the throne, killing his nephews, and raping his niece necessary to fight the Faith?

In what world do people give props to the people that tried to usurp their families thrones. You guys just say dumb stuff I swear.

House Targaryen was not weak and recognized the good that Maegor did, but he did too much bad. He killed 2 Targarians and this is a crime that cannot be forgotten or forgiven

​​@@hclw3589 U say that but aren't y'all the same lot who try to defend Aegon ll The Usurper.

@@happilyevernever4289 Frankly, anyone who supports Blacks or Greens is a hypocrite when it comes to saying “killing two Targs cannot be forgotten or forgiven”. Both sides went ham with that stuff lmfao. Same with Rhaegar and Dany fans. Targs killing each other is a staple of the setting as much as gratuitous sex, violence and needless cruelty is tbh

Yeah I wish Maegor and Aenys could've teamed up. One be king and another Hand of the king or something.

​​@@happilyevernever4289maegor was hand of the king under aenys but was forced to resign due to controversy.

No. Never

raped his niece, tortured one nephew, killed another. murdered thousands, forcibly married multiple women, after murdering their husbands, killed hundreds of masons after the red keep was done with construction. No, you are quite simply wrong.

Yeah but if Aegon the uncrowned became king would the dance of dragons still happen?

​@@holycrusaderofgod8561 There would be no Targaryens for the Dance to Happen to. Say Rhaena the Queen in the west balanced Aegon with her willfulness and killed the Faith then maybe the Targaryen dynasty would be safe and the throne would pass to Aerea

Rhaena had the will of Visenya, she would have made the uncrowned Aegon as great as his grandsire.

​@@marwanali4878if throne passed to aerea then the dance would've happened way before the real dance

@@rocktheconqueror6903 depends. I'm thinking Rhaena's gay so Aegon and Rhaena don't have any other children. At this point inheritance law for the iron throne was not truly established but assumed to be absolute primogeniture based on how the song of ice and fire survived and passed to Jaehaerys and Alysanne. If Viserys marries Aerea then no Dance at this point but maybe in the next one. Or maybe things get complicated when Rhaena officially takes the title of ruling queen and Aegon and Rhaena style themselves Aegon II and Rhaena I, then the same happens with Viserys and Aerea. Viserys dies and leaves a daughter, Aerea remarries and has a son later on but age gap is too great for a marriage between brother and sister and Dance happens, but in this case the younger half brother loses and absolute primogeniture is established as the rule of inheritance for Targaryens. At this point the Targaryens become wary of the influence of outsiders. And Jaehaerys and Alysanne spend more time in various parts of the kingdom carrying out Rhaena's rule and adventuring.

Yesssd

What we should have gotten was a whole series of the entire Targaryen Dynasty, from the start of Aegon the First's conquest, to the end of the Mad King's reign.

@@isaiahgeorge906they should start with the valyrian freehold

@@evok3226 You are right. That would be a much better start.

He killed his nephews, tortured kids to death, and raped his niece along with several other women in a regular basis.

He tortured and killed Alys Harroway and her family after she nearly died giving birth to his monster of a baby. All of it upon a lie. So let's agree to disagree

​@@evok3226so be it

@@Crazy_Talk96Just because he’s cool doesn’t mean he’s right brother

@@CaptainOffensive true, although if he hadn't gone on his war path the targ dynasty might have ended earlier than expected.

... as usual. That needs to be added.

It is a literal westerosi history book, written by the author. if George rr martin says he raped his niece, killed his nephews, and murdered thousands.. I'm inclined to believe the authors characterization

Fire and blood were written "by maestors" if i remember correctly. That's why you would see bias against certain factions ​@fike2951

@@BigBoi678 He literally forced his own niece into marriage, ordered the torture of his nephew, and usurped his other nephew after slaying him in combat. No, it is not biased against him, he was just truly evil

@@BigBoi678 So you genuinely think that maegor was some misunderstood character? thats bit worrying to think that

​@@fike2951It's both. Maegor was definitely not a good guy, but the books are written from the POV of the faction that hates Targs the most. It's also supposed to be off second hand accounts, mostly by people who were never there. It's 'history' based on whispers, gossip, speculation, and old wives tales. The whole point is that you're not really supposed to know what is and isn't accurate. Hence you get 2 versions of the same story at points. This is supposed to make you question the validity of our own real world histories. Your statement that everything in the book is an intended fact by GRRM couldn't be less true. He has explained this himself countless times, even the book explains it. So yes, Maegor was cruel, but the book is also biased against him.

How else is a paladin supposed to use smite?

To kill those that oppose their fate

Plenty of spiritual leaders have been armed throughout history.

I am the way, and the light. Only sometimes, the light is muzzle flare

Jihad comes to mind

I don't know man,he tortured and killed one of his wives

@@holycrusaderofgod8561and He’s a kinslayer since he killed Aegon the Uncrowned and Viserys.

@@dominator1914 yeah and I think he stole Aegon's sister-wife and made her his own wife also I might be wrong but didn't he also marry Aenys' wife ?

The physically forcing himself on his war brides would be classified as wrong.

Yeah, it's not like he killed his own nephew and usurped the throne for himself, right? It's not like he r@ped ans tortured his own niece, right? It's not like he killed and tortured people, right?

J.K. Simmons

Except Daemon is a narcissistic and impulsive asshat.

This is straight up untrue. The Faith rebelled before he was even king. They rebelled in opposition to Aenys marrying his son and daughter to each other. Maegor then came in and stole the throne while Aenys’ son was besieged in the Westerlands.

The Faith didn’t say it didn’t count. They were debating the outcome of the trial and whether they should declare him as king when Maegor burned the Sept.

Lol, no. He stole his nephew’s throne, killed several family members, and raped his niece.

The artist depiction is pretty spot on. I could believe Casper van Dien or Anson Mount as Maegor.

What was necessary about stealing the throne, killing his nephews, and raping his niece?

Maegor didn’t succeed a weak king. He usurped an untested king, and then killed said king and raped his wife.

Perhaps if Aegon had gone Maegor on Otto Hightower ...