Maybe this is what mattia binnoto meant when he said that their goal for this year is NOT to win the championship. And now we know that he is a man of his word.
What's funny is Ferrari has NEVER rolled onto the grid without the intention of winning the race or championship until this year. Binotto is playing typical Ferrari politics.
this comment made me laugh even though as a f1 fan i don't like this season cause ferrari this season could be amazing and it feels like binnoto/ferrari strategy is messing this comp up in a bad way for them selfs mostly but also us fans
2022 is literally the opposite of 2012 for Ferrari. In 2012, they had the 3rd fastest car and damn nearly won the championship. In 2022, they have the fastest car and they're damn nearly finishing 3rd.
2012 they had competent strategy, good reliability, and fernando alonso. in 2022 they have trash strategy, terrible reliability, and a driver who is very fast and competent but is more prone to mistakes than average
2012 wasn’t even 3rd fastest. It was 4th fastest after lotus red bull and mclaren and was very slow at the beginning of the year. I’d say it was closer but still 4th fastest towards the end of the year
These numbers are actually understated if you’re talking about the total points lost in the championship because you have to factor in that retiring from 1st, for example, also means that the person who would have finished 2nd now gets 7 more points. So Charles retiring from the lead of a race is a 32 point swing in the constructors/drivers
Thank you! Not everyone is thinking that way. Ferrari would be ahead a decent amount as Red Bull gained a lot more points from Ferrari's losses than the other way around.
after all its pretty much even, when you factor in how many points red bull lost to engine failures etc. so charles would actually have 100-125 points more in the championship and ferrari might have 150+200 more in constructors (both compared to their competitors)
I did some math, and with these results, and take away RB errors (for fairness), Ferrari would have just over 500 points, Red Bull just under 450. Charles would have just over 300 points and Max around 275 points... As a Max fan I say, that would have more fun then what we have now, although I'm not really complaining...
remember the commentators saying in race 5 or something 'only one driver before in history has lost wdc after a 40+ point lead in the championship' they were completely convinced leclerc had it in the bag
@@Finkelfunk I'd be interested if anybody has had an even worse season. loosing 130 points to your main rival isnt something usual. and yes it was clear from the first qualification that its going to be Charles VS Max the full season.
now this is literally ''points lost'' but imagine the ''points lost compared to redbull'' where redbull gained more points over ferrari's mistakes (and incidents/ reliability) they would honestly be in P1 currently in constructors.
That is if you ignore all of RB's issues, as well as alot of the points in this video being wishful thinking (such as Charles beating Max in a few of the races)
If you think back to last season, that's similar to what both Lewis and Max lost. I think Max probably lost more, but that's not the point. The point is, there will be points lost due to errors and reliability and other drivers. And over the whole season. Its normal. Losing 100 plus points in half a season is just insane. You can't win a championship when that happens.
Which roughly cancels out with Leclerc's engine woes, 50 points by my reckoning which does not take into account the extra points Max picked up because of these. If Leclerc's only lost points would have been mechanical, he would be 5 points behind in arguably the faster car. We would have a much more exciting back half of the season. That is Ferrari's real crime here.
@@OrangePukeko Precisely. Mechanical issues happen. And they have happened to both. Max is very consistent, and is making less errors. Therefore the Leclerc errors being costly are punishing. Ferrari's tactical blunders don't happen at Red Bull.
To be fair, the damage was unavoidable through strategy, reliability or driver decisions. I don't think it's fair to look past damage too. No action from Red Bull could predict or mitigate that event.
and also him spinning in spain due to driver error or wind whatever and without that spin and without that drs issue he might have been able to fight for the lead with leclerc if his engine had not exploded so yes losing like 50 60 points is normal but losing 100+ isnt
Since, as you said, Red Bull have had their own woes, it would be interesting to see this same video but for Red Bull, with the comparison to Ferrari at the end. It would show each teams maximum potential from the season without errors.
@@Lukeywoodsey I think it's easy to overlook the Redbull faults because they haven't really lost anything by them. For example Verstappens spin last race if that had happened against a more competent opposition it could have cost him a victory. Not saying Redbull and Max haven't been performing well but Ferrari are so bad they are making them look like gods.
@@Lukeywoodsey Checo had a lot of DNFs and besides Max’s DNFs, he also had other reliability issues during a couple of races he did finish. DRS wing and the suspected puncture (which was an issue where the car lost downforce).
They didn't throw it away, they never had it. You need to be a complete team, they have not. Having the fastest car (in qualifying) doesn't make a championship.
You'd think we'd all be on that same page after it became clear that Max is more likely to win a race starting with Charles on pole than Charles is, and after Mercedes has had more podium finishes than Ferrari. If Ferrari want to be judged by which car can bang around a track the fastest without any pit stops or competitors on track they should be competing in rallycar, not Formula 1.
This year Ferrari just reminds me of McLaren back in 2010-2012. Had one of the fastest cars on the grid (probably the fastest in 2012), but the car being unreliable, worse strategies and slower pit stops literally cost them the both WCs. I think it was one of the main reasons for Hamilton to leave McLaren to join Mercedes.
Would be interesting to see an "average points lost per season" for teams over the last few seasons. It's the sort of thing that happens to everybody at some point, and it'd be interesting to see Ferrari's struggles in perspective.
I think at this point so many things have to happen for Ferrari to even get a shot at winning: > Red Bull's strategy and reliability would have to completely spaz out and quit (which I doubt will happen) > Ferrari would have to improve both strategy calls and reliability (which Binotto already said does not need changing) > Both drivers somewhat reduce mistakes (which I honestly think may go up once the pressure starts setting in) > And ultimately Ferrari have to finish ahead of Red Bull at every race in the last 9 races by a substantial margin in terms of points (which given the issues above will likely not happen) Best case scenario is it turns into another Abu Dhabi title decider (hopefully less controversial this time). Worst case scenario is Red Bull wraps up both championships early and Mercedes overtakes Ferrari in the Constructors' Championship. Hopefully they actually improve next year or this season won't be seen as a learning curve but instead the beginning of another Ferrari decline.
In Hungary It would have been close between Max and Charles. When Lewis went onto the softs, he was only eating away a few tenths which should have been more on since he was on the softs. No matter how fast Charles is I just think that he would have a bit of work to do to overtake Max
Ferrari could have lost 1 extra point in Australlia after Leclerc's Engineer told him not to push for a faster lap but he did anyway on the last lap. If Charles didn't push, Fernando Alonso would have gotten the fastest lap beating Charles's previous FL.
What shows how irrational the pitwall calls are if an Alpine (with an exquisite driver) can beat the "fastest" lap of the fastest car on the grid. Not to add that Leclerc is also a fast driver.
I'm sorry Matt, but Ferrari's losses here are even worse than you laid out. Points aren't awarded in isolation, when Leclerc DNFs from the lead and Verstappen wins, Leclerc doesn't just lose 25 points, he also gifts that additional 7 points to Verstappen who would have finished 2nd otherwise, for a total loss of 32 points.
Yeah your way is correct when you count how many points did lecrec lose compared to max. But matt is only counting points lecrec lost on his own, not the comparison.
He isnt giftig it to Max still needs to perform and be there. When max wasnt there in silverstone did Charles get those 7 extra points? No its a skill to be even close enouth to Profit
One thing nobody talks about. That's bad Karma for how Charles and Ferrari treated Seb, for no good reason. Where would Ferrari be sitting if Seb had that car? Charles doesn't give input to the team like Carlos does. No championship leadership in their garage would be a huge difference maker. Bad Karma finds everyone at some point. Hopefully they get their sh*t together quick. They let Mercedes into the fight. Big mistake. They do know how to win championships!
However, this also goes for RedBull. They have 5 retirements, and Silverstone with Verstappen's damaged car, and have been the fastest or second fastest car at every race.
You’re forgetting they lost even more points than this. For example when leclerc crashes out of the lead and verstappen inherits the lead, leclerc loses the points for P1, but verstappen gains the points that make the difference between P1 and P2. So for example in France, leclerc lost the points for P1 (25) + the points gained by VER between 2nd and 1st (7). This isn’t taking into account the extra point for fastest lap which could make up two points if you assume leclerc would’ve taken the fastest lap and verstappen got it instead. Meaning leclerc lost 32 points to verstappen in France and possible 33 for fastest lap (as sainz got fastest lap). So when you include the points gained by verstappen, red bull and Mercedes onto Ferrari and leclerc. The points lost are actually quite a bit higher. Hope Matt sees this to really crush him😅
Really interesting thought exercise. Although seasons are rarely perfect, it's the ones where they make the wrong call - GB, Hungary, Monaco that hurt the most.
They're going to end up losing a whole lot more since Binotto claims that strategy has not been a problem for them, and they've made no wrong decisions so far this season...at this rate I'm almost willing to bet that Leclerc will leave Ferrari before his contract is up, and make a jump to any team he feels he can at least trust to not actively screw him over.
With Mercedes finally finding some pace and Red Bull being pretty consistent as of late, I predict Ferrari comes 3rd in the constructors at this point.
Let's not forgot Charles has had 3 DNFs and Max has basically had 2. The disparity in points is mostly down to mistakes and poor strategy, all Ferrari and or Charles fault.
Watching Red Bull win is a really good thing to watch happen to me this season. But watching Ferrari being Ferrari kinda balances it out cause god it's so heartwrenching hearing and seeing Leclerc in pain.
I think reliability related loss of points were to be expected, since the team made a deliberate choice to make a fast PU and then sort out reliability as they are allowed to do under the rules. That goes for both teams, but it's still a massive point swing related to team and driver errors
That's an easy one. If Charles wins everything (including the sprint race) and gets the fastest lap every time, and Verstappen would finish second every time, they would make up 73 points, not enough. So basically Verstappen would need to loose 7 more points somewhere. Couple of third places or lower is enough. If you take that as a base line, you can then say that whenever they fail to make up 8 points to Verstappen, the difference in points is what Verstappen needs to loose extra.
This is so dreadful that you would almost think that there's some Italian mafia betting scheme involved here. At least that would make for a good movie.
The key thing is You not gaining points means Your direct rivals gain more which... Yeah, makes the real numbers probably much higher, even if we give ourselfs some margin of error, in that some races could go slightly worse that predicted here, but I think it's all very fair. Oh, and that applies to the fastest laps as well.
Even if you take away the wins in Baku and France and turn them into second places, as it was by far not a guarantee, Leclerc has still lost 111 points. Enough to lead the championship, not even taking into account the fact Max would have less points by putting Charles make ahead of him in the order. But that's motorsport and honestly Ferrari don't deserve any titles.
Matty, please STOP THE PAIN. We Ferrari fans have suffered enough through the first half of the season. Its been hard to recover from the blunders the team had
Correct me if I'm wrong but if u want calculate the hypothetical points Leclerc lost due to reliability and strategy then u must also take into account Max finishing P2 (18 pts) with Charles P1 (25 pts) so that would be a net gain of 7 points give or take which isn't = 125
Realistically, only strategy errors should be counted. A car failure is a car failure and it is a part of the package. Driver errors are on drivers. So, realistically, due to Ferrari strategy, Leclerc lost about 50 points to Max,including the points swing.
Matt and WTF1, I think that trying to get ahead of the comment section in your videos is not a good look. Just like you have your opinions, the comment section will have theirs. These asides about "remember these are just *our* opinions" etc. after every opinion are preemptively dismissive which is just as bad as people getting grumpy in the comments. It's up to content creators to not take the comment sections so personally. You're putting energy into the loudest, grumpiest commenters. This has been going on since the end of last season and it's honestly offputting. Love WTF1 and their videos, and all the passion that does go into them. Some honest feedback from a fan.
