How MARVEL Ruined Wonder Woman 

If I can be honest, early on I would never have tackled this kind of video to the degree I did here. I was and still am a little nervous about speaking on topics like this because I don't have the perspective of a woman in society today. But thankfully we've got some truly amazing women on the NerdSync team who look over scripts like this to make sure I don't say anything ignorant, which is a HUGE relief to my anxiety. As is this comment. I hope to be presenting more topics like this in the future, starting with the next video. Thanks!

pyeseas I agree. :)

pyeseas i agree

pyeseas I hate feminists.

pyeseas Hi I'm a Comic FAN

O...okay?

Isn’t Wonder Woman bi?

@@zinkheroofyoutube8004 yes. And even likes women more

@@nashvilletennessee4391 I don't think so

@@ProjektTaku she is an amazon....being a lesbian is pretty much expected...

Galimeer5 Now that DC has had more time to give some good material to their heroes, I think they’re cleaning up their act movie wise.

THOSE WHO DON'T LEARN FROM HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT!!!!!!

Ironically, the DC films that people tend to say are "closest" to Marvel films have been their best in the DCEU. Not great, but better than the dull edge of the BVS and Man of Steel

I mean it's no surprise really. Just look at Disney and whoever there rival is at any given moment. Each company trues and fails to ape the others success. Back in the W.B er it was animated musicals, now in the Universal era it's theme park expansions and Y.A novels (among others this is just what comes to mind at the moment).

@@dragon1130 I think that depends on mostly them failing to understand why the other guy's formula works while yours doesn't. You see that a lot.

And Emma Peel from TV's Avengers, who herself was something like a female British Bond.

Braden Chittick I'm fairly certain that both of those characters have had "losing/being cheated out of their fortunes" as plot devices more than once.

There's also the fact that Diana had been fighting for her whole life with god-like power and had suddenly become mortal. She probably didn't know her limits and if she'd gotten into a fight would likely have gotten killed. Bruce and Oli had trained for years to be at their peak and know exactly what they were capable of.

And Batman's a genius with more vehicles, gadgets, and weaponry than a person can keep track of.

Lol

At one time Green Arrow had super powers

She actually reminds me of Rarity from My Little Pony. An independent business owner whose day job focuses on their passion for fashion while fighting crime on the side. It's amazing how Hasbro took the same concept and handled it much better.

I agree, by the way. Taking an entire arc for her to adjust to the changes and settle into her new role would have been really helpful.

John Choi if she’d used the magic sphere she would have realised it was a waste of time, because Steve Trevor is soon killed off.

Pretty much WW1984

Not good if is wonder woman, but is good for spiderman who give up being spiderman to work and have time to hang out with girls xd

I know this comment’s pretty old but, I really dont understand how thats bad? Superheroes never had any issues sacrificing themselves for the people they love, how come its bad when its a she instead?

Superman 2 did the same thing to Superman although for a shorter period of time.

Exactly! Can we PLEASE get that I-Ching solo movie everyone has been wanting for decades???

Can I-Ching's first movie be a gritty reboot ?

see "Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins"

Karim The DCEU is still in its beginning phase.Later down the line,we'll probably get movies of characters not as popular as the Justice league such as Lobo,JLD,&Legion of Superheroes

Wonder Woman first appeared in All American comics in 1941, while I-Ching not until Wonder Woman #180, 1968.

Yeah that was a HUGE hole, like she lost her powers, not her memories right?

Galimeer5 No, it’s a men writing limiting roles for women thing.

Men writing women be like

😂

Thanks! Tried to make it fit the theme of the video.

I think it's groovy...

(gasp) Are you insane?!

MK ULTRA SOLDIER II Probably I am

Mega Comics You Madman.

(gasp) Head explodes

blasphemy

This comment is so true

2020s: outside is bad for kids!

@@xavierramirez1911 Well it's a little risky at the moment.

You got the years wrong, but the overall sentiment right. Movies were said to be bad, but gained acceptance quicker than comics. TV was said to rot your brain pretty much right after it released, same with computers. Heck people used to say you would ruin your eyes from reading books too much. Video games were portrayed as bad pretty quickly after their debut too.

Long-form videos get me excited!

***** I may have to pull some gifs from this video!

she said she was out of place because she doesnt have any super power............ehem batman ehem

It's the idea that she left the team solely because she didn't have powers, and neither he nor Green Arrow saw a problem with that logic. They just let her leave believing that she was right. That one does, in fact, need superpowers to be on the team.

NerdSync if anything, Wonder Woman is the problematic one in that scene, she knows there are multiple people on the Justice League without powers. Batman shouldn't have to explain that to her, she's the idiot/asshole, not Batman or Green Arrow.

Thing is that without her powers she had to learn Kung Fu to become strong again. Batman and Arrow were already competent fighters without superpowers.

In fairness, Arrow and Batman aren't just regular people who walked in and decided to fight crime. They devoted YEARS to training and have near limitless gadgets and technology on their side. I was bothered a little bit by the eagerness to drop her seeing as the Justice League is like a family in a lot of ways, and I would have thought they would have tried to find some way to keep her on the team, but she almost surely would have ultimately proved to be a liability even after learning kung fu.

Kung Fu and Karate were popular then and they were to stupid to just have a different character do that.

Karvin Domingo The truth is that you're great! Keep it up!

It's a good tie!

Karvin Domingo bow ties are cool

NerdSync I need to know where Nick gets all of his bow ties #BowTieGameTooStrong

Albert Vilorio I found some Wonder Woman bow ties on Etsy. Now our #BowTieGame can be too strong too.

A R lol so true!!!

lmfao

They call it Marvelized, yet it was DC who started it. And even right now, all the SJW crap started with the Batgirl reboot.

Ikr! It's stupid!

I don’t know why they are trying to put some of the blame on marvel.... they had nothing to do with there storyline.... marvel was different because they knew what they were doing “we all can’t have a stab lee working with us” DC should have just came with a better approach and storyline

The Father of Lies Ah...glad to see another WoT fan who also appreciates Scott's analysis of comic books.

I had that same thought, haha.

He even looks kind of like Stick.

I ching came first or were you joking?

I Ching actually appeared 13 years before Stick, if you can believe that.

I see!

FakeNerdScout Yes it will and hopefully this one too!

Thanks, gang!

NerdSync Chu welcome!

NerdSync BTW I don't hate this (but the last issue is an aception). The thing could have worked with minor tweaks and if that last issue was cut out/ had some HUGE changes.... might do a video on it some time...

I agree, the WW reboot was more inspired by Emma Peel than by Marvel.

Which is funny given how Chris Claremont pretty much got inspired to create one of the most memorable X-Men villain factions the Hellfire Club based on that one episode of the Avengers where Emma Peel became their "Black Queen" (look it up) LOL

It was not Marvel's fault BTW it was DC. LET'S TAKE the blame where it is, deserved. They were still the ones writing, and they had a choice. My earlier comments,stand. Just wanted to add this in.

Amethyst Willow Nobody's saying it's Marvels fault; I think they're trying to say that it's DC's fault for trying to copy Marvel, not that Spider-Man broke into DC HQ and sabotaged them by making them make bad decisions. :3

Adam Sagehorn Not to mention Diana looks like Mary to an uncomfortable degree. X(

Both are greedy mainstream American douchebags...but Marvel are the bigger douchebags (just ask the founders of Image Comics)... Marvel ripped off most of the DC characters then claimed they were first... Marvel have even ripped off the X-Men from DC... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AMDhBT_X7gs.html

And this is why the DCEU blows: Whenever they go chasing the trailblazers ((specially when the trailblazing is done by Marvel of all people)) they shoot themselves on the foot as a result. Wonder Woman was the attempt to cash in realistic superheroes and fashion of the era, the DCEU is chasing on the trend of not only the MCU, but also their success with the Nolan movies.

Marvel loves ripping off DC characters and if it wasn’t for DC Marvel wouldn’t exist. Darkseid - the original Thanos, Deadpool is a weak parody of Deathstroke, Captain Marvel is a rip off of Shazam and Superman, the X Men is a rip off of Doom Patrol, plus they have ripped off many other characters. While I don’t think DC/Time Warner is perfect (and imho just another mainstream media corporation), at least films like the Dark Knight, Watchmen, and V for Vendetta attempted to be faithful to the original characters and were movies in their own right instead of just a flimsy excuse of a cash grab and ego stroking (aka greed). Despite all the hype the first DeadPool movie bored me, now I am sad to say the whole superhero movie genre bores me. Superhero movies are killing and cannibalising the comic book and film industry. Marvel had went bankrupt a while ago and sold a lot their character copyrights to movie studios. Unfortunately due to copyright conflicts and to appeal to politically correct mainstream movie audiences Marvel Comics has been adapting and killing off their most popular characters. For example Spiderman's Peter Parker no longer exists, and now is an African American teenage boy named Miles Morales. Thor is now a Caucasian teenage girl Iron Man is now an African American teenage girl Captain Marvel/Ms Marvel is now a middle eastern Muslim teenage girl And the list goes on... Marvel Comics is hiring female writers for female characters and PC gentrifying their characters in an attempt to not alienate minorities, however they have instead alienated their greater traditional audience and sales have dropped dramatically. www.cbr.com/direct-market-sales-plummet-december-2017/ And no one says anything because they are afraid to be called "irrelevant"! This horribly bleak cancer is coming soon to a StarWars/Star Trek/Alien franchise near you...

who cares about who copied who, what matters is who did it better. the wright brothers weren't the first to make a plane, they were just the first to make a plan fly. only whiny nerds still care about that stuff. also as the guy pointed out in the video, comics sales are in decline as the years go and in the current era its the movies that make the most profits.

Exactly, Batman was stating that she is always part of the Justice League and that she is welcome to return anytime she pleases. I don't understand how the host read that as an insult from Batman

It's not that Scott took Batman's words as insults, it's just that the writing doesn't make sense.

NerdSync If you give some I will sertainly. But will you, Scott? Will you??????????

NerdSync I love your channel, thank you

John Lennon We all love you too, bud

FakeNerdScout who is this?

Go home your drunk

DracoFlyer I think what they're saying is that DC screwed up by trying to copy Marvel instead of being themselves. X/

Right, I associate this change with Emma Peel.

Autobot Starscream that still isn't marvel fault I like both companies thire different than each other so it dose saddened me when they try to chase each other tail to gain secus the only times when it worked was lobo/Deadpool/ deathstoke

isnt that funny that marvel copy everything and make it better (deadpool,thanos) and when dc try to copy them it goes horrible, yet people try to criticize marvel because of it

Tiagorpg mendes ture exept lobo

Oh sure. It was more so the DC heads trying and failing to copy Marvel's style.

Then why title this video otherwise? Are you trying to add more fuel to the DC/Marvel conflict? How is this helping? Clickbait?

Alice Wasteland deadpool, iron man, captain america, Guardians of the galaxy, the avengers are their successful films. spider-man isn't just their only success

Alice Wasteland yet, Marvel has made $10 billion dollars in their film industry whereas the DCEU has only made $3 billion

I assumed Bats' answer was trying the most politely to say "Diana are you crazy, ME, I don't have superpowers and I'm here".

Kyaknight ¡ And i love you being on this earth. Never change being amazing!

I think it's a term I picked up from Tim Hanley in the book I mentioned. It's pretty accurate. Haha

Kyaknight ¡ it doesn't work the other way "dced"

Karma DCnized?

Yobby The Dinosaur 😂

Hey, thanks! I think we rank pretty well when you search for Comic Theory on RU-vid, so that's something!

Was that a compliment?

That's just a theory..A Comic Theory!

TheBurg Thanks for reading!

insulting the pat...disgusting

Cillian Brouder her mind could be colonised by an Egyptian wonder god

AHeroAlmost spoiler warning!!! Havn't seen it yet.

AHeroAlmost Possible Spoilers The movie was great! It's overrated though, people saying it's better than Avengers, Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Winter Soldier, Logan, Spiderman 2, Days of Future Past and other good movies. And i didn't like Ares and Dr Poison as villains. Chris Pine and Gal Gadot are perfect castings!

AHeroAlmost Spoiler Warning!!!! She's a Jew in real Life

AHeroAlmost Honestly, I just thought it was...meh. there was some cool moments but a lot of not so cool moments. also I REALLY didn't like the final battle. Personally, it was really boring for me.

SPOILER ALERT It was good, not great but better than the others, the opening with the child was awful (The acting was hilarious, when the woman was reading the story it kept cutting to young WW making expressions and I couldn't stop laughing) and the ending fight was awful, When she killed the guy she thought was Ares, nothing happened, then Steve Trevor went on about how you can't just kill one guy and have it end the fighting and I thought it was a really good message and the movie would end with WW just killing Germans and stopping that gas stuff but then Ares actually shows up ruining that and then it just turned into the end of the rest of the DC movies with overuse of CGI and way too many explosions. In between those 2 points were good though.

Andrew Rhodes Exactly bro the guy who made the video obviously is scared to piss off DC fans in the wake of the Wonder woman movie success and is misleading his fans to believe Marvel has anything to do with DC poor choices at the time

Ryan Lyttle you... don't watch this channel do you...

creshiell I used to subscribe yes.. im tired of hate for marvel.. I dont see any videos of how DC messed up a marvel character and I honestly wouldnt want to becuase it is not accurate

Ryan Lyttle there is no hate for marvel on this channel... and I quote from this video "DC could not have failed more spectacularly"... there is also no hate for DC on this channel... everyone just loves comics and has very solid, and constructive critiques, often critiques that the creators of the comics themselves acknowledge as drawbacks, dude

Andrew Rhodes don't do this. wonder woman was a TOTAL success. EVEN the worst parts in wonder woman were better than any part of the the dark knight that didn't have the joker in it

z- naqvi Yeah!

Thank you so much!

Paul Cagliarini Have a great day dude!

FakeNerdScout Hahahah thanks, you too, I'm gonna watch this, the rest of the Weekly Planet Podcast and the new Caravan of Garbage and then later on gonna rewatch some more of Series 10 of Doctor Who

That was my intention... I mean, it wasn't. I'm just an idiot. Haha

NerdSync Hahaha, good luck on the views and algorithm stuff then Scott

Levi Phipps I'm really happy you enjoyed it! The positive feedback on editing in these comments is very encouraging, thank you!

John Pelt Actually, a green lantern's power level is determine by its ring bearer's will power, Hal Jordan is known to be the greatest green lantern because he has the strongest will power in the universe. Even John Steward and Guy Gardner are not as powerful in terms of will power. So maybe you can classify Hal Jordan's Will power as naturally super human level which effectively gives him a super hero status with or without his green lantern ring.

Jeonhaerimfan Like how Batman can be considered as a superhero with the superpower of super-human intelligence if you consider his genius intellect to actually be at a superhuman level? :3

Autobot Starscream Lol, if Batman is consider a superhero, then at most he is Green Arrow level. But in truth, he's much more vulnerable to attacks than any Green Lanterns. As to why it is so, with any Green Lanterns, they have the luxury of having tech support from a highly advance alien technology from their Guardian Masters, which is far more superior than anything Batman can come up with, despite his intelligence and wealth.

Jeonhaerimfan isn't Kyle reaner the best one?

green arrow is like the robin hood of dc .. does that make robin hood a superhero? i mean at the end of the day he split an arrow in 2! like accuracy = superhero now right? lol my point is.. it's like saying if you are incredibly talented at something and use that talent to save people u'd be considered as a superhero.. lol dunno where i was going with this lol just thought i'd put it out for thought lol.

peacorptv dc should make a trilogy for each of there most popular characters.

peacorptv agreed. They can make a good movie, I believe that. They just need to be original in their own way.

"Peaceful warrior" Beg pardon?

That Other Nerd on the Internet lol

OH MY GOD you're right

Nah, "gal" was used a lot back then

I agree. The art style looks great and colorful. But, the story is utter garbage. I even liked the new logo.

Some of it was really good (the Cat Woman/Fafhred & The Gray Mouser story with Dick Giordano's art was especially good). Even that last story, unlike a lot of Denny O'Neil's "relevant comics" (he was the Editor by then), presents both sides. I did not read the book then, but some of the work stands the test of time. Depowering super heroes was also kind of a Denny O'Neil trope. He got rid of Kryptonite but reduced Superman's powers when he was writing the Superman book and he reduced Green Lantern's powers when he was writing Green Lantern/Green Arrow in the same period.

CamTheKitty Let's punish Batman for respecting women because he has a Pingas! #priorities

Which seems odd as it's usually overcast in Gotham but bright and sunny in Metropolis.

Find a character or two you are interested in or a story genre you like, then start to google search what the internet believes are the best/definitive stories. If you are near a comic shop, the people inside can help you find a great place to start. You just have to come prepared with at least some vague ideas of genres and characters you are interested in.

Does anyone else have any advice for Noah?

Read Valiant Comics, they're pretty isolated storylines and have much more engaging material than Marvel or DC, not hating on them they just don't know what they're doing currently(especially Marvel).

Scott described what I would do. You could also loo online if you don't have a nearby comic book store. Cheap Graphic Novels is a fantastic site if you want to purchase a bunch of paperback collections and hardcovers in one go, as they have a flat shipping rate, and really good prices. If you can't find a character or story you're really interested in, I suggest starting with the basics: the original Amazing Spider-Man comics from the '60s, Batman Year One, Daredevil: The Man Without Fear, Wolverine by Frank Miller and Chris Claremont. Anything really acclaimed. Not sure if you could pick up some collected volumes of Rebirth if you wanted to read the issues regularly, as you might have to pick up on a little New 52 (And that's quite a chore in most cases). I would advise developing your tastes before you really sink your teeth into any character's lore.

"Does anyone else have any advice for Noah?" Read what you like, But don't be afraid to try other titles and genres besides superhero comics, variety in what you read can actually be a good thing. :-) Checking some Indy books can be fun and interesting such as Brian K. Vaughan and Fiona Staples comic Saga and many other titles out there published by companies like Image, IDW, and others which are just as good as and in some cases even better than many of the titles that DC and Marvel publish IMHO. Not to mention classic reprints of comic books and comic strips and foreign comics from outside America, (Yes this can include Manga as well as European comics among others.) as Scott has shown many times now the history of comics can be interesting and even fascinating in it's own right. If you have any children don't be afraid to get them interested in comics as a medium, there are more kid friendly comics these days than there have been in a long time. Support your local brick and mortar comic book store and give your retailer feedback on how he or she is doing, and what you're interested in and are looking for in comics and take part in your local comic book community. Welcome to the club!

Kung-Fu.

If you believe Clark Kent is the costume. Aw man buddy old pal

Wonder Girl appeared in Wonder Woman comic books and Teen Titans comic books also known as Donna Troy and TV version played by Debra Winger was called Drusilla.

Thank you! It was sent to me by a fan!