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How Much Has My 'Eco House' Cost? Heat Pump, Solar PV & Home Battery 

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A heat pump, solar PV and a home battery make my house really cheap to run, but at what £££ cost and has it made at least financial sense?
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@hmallett
@hmallett 3 месяца назад
I bought a house which had coal-fired central heating. I bought a heat pump. The payback is that the house isn’t always cold now, and we don’t spend all our time shovelling coal. Sometimes the payback is more than just financial.
@NineLayerNige
@NineLayerNige 3 месяца назад
No gas standing charge
@mosvids4152
@mosvids4152 3 месяца назад
We've had panels for nearly five years connected to a small 3.3 kWh battery. Our heat pump's been in since December 2022. I confess to not having done all the sums on running costs. A larger battery would make sense. The solar currently fills it and heats the water along with cooking. Our oil boiler was in need of replacement so a pump was the way to go. No mains gas. We also get a few bob from exporting surplus electricity.😊 Why all new houses don't have panels is just silly. Keep up the good work. Peter
@bloodynorahvan2203
@bloodynorahvan2203 3 месяца назад
You've been an EV driver for a few years now. You haven't factored in the fuel savings cost, being able to take advantage of any overnight tarrif. In our case that has been an extra £300 a month. Easily forgotten when you're far into the transtition already!
@rodden1953
@rodden1953 3 месяца назад
i thought that when he said about savings , i got 5 litres of petrol for my mower and it was over £9 my last ICE did about 30 mpg
@David-bl1bt
@David-bl1bt 3 месяца назад
​@@rodden1953 yes, i was shocked at the price too when i went for a gallon of petrol for my mower😱
@simonpaine2347
@simonpaine2347 3 месяца назад
Came here to say the same. I also forgot to add the petrol savings in my first calculations! Huge difference!
@ericpisch2732
@ericpisch2732 3 месяца назад
Same, servicing and fuel savings are about 5k a year for me
@rodden1953
@rodden1953 3 месяца назад
@@David-bl1bt i recon that most ICE cars cant do much more than 30 mpg . a few hours of sun and the Zappi charger is like saving 20 quid .
@BiohaZd5
@BiohaZd5 3 месяца назад
lol. Thanks for fixing the £10.2k ;)
@rodden1953
@rodden1953 3 месяца назад
I'm 71 and had solar since 2015 then battery next heat pump , had the gas meter removed today i did it because it makes sense and i love the tec and future proofing against price increases. it more money in your pocket now as you yearly wages goes further for you to save or spend on other pleasures
@thepete129
@thepete129 3 месяца назад
Exactly , plus not only do we have more free money but we are free with electricity around the house because… well it’s free!
@rodden1953
@rodden1953 3 месяца назад
@@thepete129 Yes i have spent all my saving on solar Powerwall and now Air to Air HVAC but im still saving what income i do have , if the Powerwall 2 comes down in price it wont take me long to by another one as my small income goes a long way now .
@marcwebb687
@marcwebb687 3 месяца назад
​@@thepete129Free after you've paid off the investment
@rodden1953
@rodden1953 3 месяца назад
@@NigelSavagery Why ? im having Air to Air mini split HVAC i only use one room mostly .
@davedevonlad7402
@davedevonlad7402 3 месяца назад
@@NigelSavagery First off I kind of agree with you, I have sola"4kw"and batteries "10kw"and I am considering an ASHP but I have come across conflicting information about the energy costs of an ASHP and water tank heating. If I "heat" my water tank at night the cost is very small as it's on an octopus night rate of 7.5p per kW so the ASHP will be very efficient at this time BUT my day rate is much much higher so when I need to warm my home in winter I would be technically paying more to run the ASHP than my gas boiler by a few hundred pounds, I don't like the sound of that plus all my showering and washing needs throughout the day is not great. A 180L water tank should be enough but I am not 100% convinced it's the best thing to do at the moment. So I appreciate your comment of being out of pocket as it's justified. Only underfloor heating is possibly viable but again it's not clear cut.
@RichTeer
@RichTeer 3 месяца назад
Canadian here (but originally from England): we installed 10.5 kw of solar panels about 5 years ago. No rebates for us back then, but we haven’t paid for electricity since we installed them (including charging our Tesla). No battery or heat pump for us yet, but we’re gradually ridding ourselves of gas appliances; next ones to go will be our water heater and cook top (hob).
@andymacleod2365
@andymacleod2365 3 месяца назад
Dependant on what part of Canada you are living (along the border being the most populated) is very much further South than most of England which increases the suns intensity and solar panel output.
@edc1569
@edc1569 3 месяца назад
I understand in a lot of Canada you have net metering type arrangements (benefit of hydro) so batteries make little sense?
@RichTeer
@RichTeer 3 месяца назад
@@andymacleod2365 Yup, that's true. I live in Kelowna, BC, which is about as far south as Paris. The climate here is one reason why I left England!
@RichTeer
@RichTeer 3 месяца назад
@@edc1569 Yep, I live in BC where we have net metering (and time of use was only very recently approved) and our power is very stable, so the value proposition for batteries isn't there for us at the moment. But we'll continue to evaluate it just in case that changes.
@irfanyr
@irfanyr 3 месяца назад
What battery are you talking about that is half that price?
@Jaw0lf
@Jaw0lf 3 месяца назад
I looked at all of this as an investment in the house. Interest rates have been very low and were that way for a long time, so any savings made hardly anything. Investing in Solar first in 2011 and I was lucky to get the FiT payment which paid my expense back in 8 years. It was over 12k at that time for 4kWh of Solar PV. Later in 2020 added extra solar and a Tesla Powerwall. At that time most of our West facing solar was being used up and as we were now at home most of the time, a battery and the extra 4kWh solar on the east facing roof made sense, for that to fill the battery. In 2018 I was paying over £300 per month for electricity, LPG and petrol. These costs have gone up a lot since then, yet I have added an ASHP in Feb 2022 and have had an EV for past 3 years. Now for the whole home it is £90 per month including Home use, cooking, heating and 10,000 miles in my EV. My battery allows me to use 78.5% night rate of 7.5 pence per kWh averaged over the year.
@SNORKYMEDIA
@SNORKYMEDIA 3 месяца назад
But how much was the ashp and battery?? £20k?
@anthony208
@anthony208 3 месяца назад
@@SNORKYMEDIAPlus extra 4kw solar Plus cost of EV? This is not a criticism of the member’s post, I am genuinely interested in what his total capital outlay was, for a true assessment of his various upfront costs v savings. I appreciate that he may have bought/leased a comparable ICE vehicle anyway, but not everyone looking to reduce their energy costs is also looking for a new car EV or ICE
@anthonydyer3939
@anthonydyer3939 3 месяца назад
Solar these days is approaching “no brainer” territory. Some panels I’ve seen for £50. In terms of cost per sq metre, it’s approaching fence panel and roof tile costs. Now that doesn’t including mounting costs, but it’s easy to imagine these becoming the ‘Goto’ material of choice for home upgrade projects, without even hooking up the electric cables! But mounting the panels in my experience is about 85% of all the hours anyway. Once mounted, easier to get an electrician to polish off the job.
@garysmith5025
@garysmith5025 3 месяца назад
My son has just replaced the leaking roofing felt on the pent roof of a garden workshop with 12 second hand panels from Bimble Solar. They're bolted together with a non-setting gasket and clamped down to the shed structure from underneath, total cost including 2.5kW inverter, wiring and fasteners was £950.
@ballathiam9486
@ballathiam9486 3 месяца назад
Thank you EV Man! Really appreciate your content!
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
Many thanks! 👍
@Beyondact
@Beyondact 3 месяца назад
Once you've gotten the gas all the way out of the house try asking your insurance company if they want to do you a better deal. I know its so common to have gas that gas explosions aren't as such considered an Insurance expense/risk but it might knock 10£ of and all money is good money.
@jonb5493
@jonb5493 3 месяца назад
The insurance angle on this has defeated me.
@JeremyParsons
@JeremyParsons 3 месяца назад
Expensive battery ! 5KWhr 48V lithium Iron Phosphate LiFePO4 cells are below GBP 800 each now.
@johnspottiswoode4433
@johnspottiswoode4433 3 месяца назад
Well done! This is exactly the sort of information that is very useful.
@rbdogwood
@rbdogwood 3 месяца назад
I have all of that although generally set up rather earlier. The overall effect was that the kit cost me more but the FIT and RHI returned more. We retired and had a lump sum which would have diminished with inflation so we invested in reduced future bills. The actual trigger however was ecological. Reduced carbon footprint. The savings were a bit of a gamble that paid off. We could only afford the setup because we had the cash, demonstrating that the less well off are at an unfair disadvantage.
@aadamileekennedy2754
@aadamileekennedy2754 3 месяца назад
I’m in a new-build (2 years old) that sadly has a gas boiler, so won’t be switching to a heat pump any time soon. But I’ve invested in a cooperative ownership solar park through Ripple (not sure if it’s allowed to mention this) that should provide 100% of current electricity usage. In future it will make sense to balance that with a share in one of their wind farms and time will come when I replace the boiler with a heat pump and batteries.
@blobstrom
@blobstrom 3 месяца назад
I'm getting there albeit slowly. I bought solar panels back in 2015, (Solaredge) 16x 250w on an east west roof. Got my first EV in 2019 and then went for battery storage. Being a DIYer I went with a 5kWh Victron MultiPlus inverter and a Fogstar 15.4kWh LiFePo battery. I now have the ability to add more solar to the Victron Total cost so far; Solar was just over 6k I do get FIT payments of about £700 a year, which means they've just paid for themselves on FIT alone and £4200 for the battery storage. I am going to install heat pumps, which i started 10 years ago, but mine will be air to air, so i can have cooling in the summer, that will just leave a water heating solution to decide (heat-pump or immersion) and then get rid of gas and the associated standing charge.
@thepete129
@thepete129 3 месяца назад
Octopus cosy 6 heat pump being installed here currently 🎉 We have 4kw Solar ,5. Kw battery and charge overnight an EV 1200 miles a month. It’s crazy ,our usage for May was £37 (£15 of which is standing charges ) no hard sell required. Our payback was 4 years but that was £10 years ago and now we are fortunate to be well in the green. Like you our boiler needs replacing so we have been in talks with Octopus about the cosy 6 trial which after the BUS grant will be considerably cheaper than a boiler replacement quote we had.
@David-bl1bt
@David-bl1bt 3 месяца назад
Intetesting..how have you managed to get a cosy6 installed? Are you an octopus employee? Ive been on their waiting list for one since Greg Jackson presented it way back in september? (Ota) last year. In fact octopus heat pump team contacted me monday to advise that a noise analysis has to be submitted to the council planning dept at a cost of £330 cost...news to me! Did you have to have this for your install? Or is it council specific? I asked when the cosy6 installs are likely to commence, he said it would be in 6 to eight weeks. I saw a mockup of the cosy6 at the everything electric show in harrogate...ut seems that it is niw a mottled grey stone cilour rather than the pink octopus colur displayed at the initial presentation.
@johnobrien403
@johnobrien403 3 месяца назад
Hi, I have been following for a while now you are doing good work. But have you had a blower door test? Are you heating the house and it all going out the "window" What upgrades have you done to your home Your's john
@markyates5744
@markyates5744 3 месяца назад
My solar install was £5000 8 years ago for 4kw (but get the £1000 a year FIT - so a no brainer). But then added £4000 battery £3000 more solar panels. But my DD to Octopus is £20/month for electric on a 5 bed detached house + I run an EV off it - ok, only 5000 miles/year. Even without the FIT I'd be £3000/year electric saving. So I'm in profit for sure with the FIT included.
@alistairlambert3275
@alistairlambert3275 3 месяца назад
I've had a Growatt Battery system (6.5 KWH) for just over 2 years. It cost £3800 and has already paid back £1000 (2 years in). It charges at 7.5p along with my EV. You're video showing the maths of home storage convinced me to get this. I think it's been a great decision and helps balance the grid. I've just bought 2 solar panels (£65 each) to put on my woodsheds and they are bringing in 2-3 WKH a day, not cost effective but brings a smile to my face knowing that the leccy to run the telly is free.
@johngreen1060
@johngreen1060 3 месяца назад
People look into the payback period because having any of these systems makes no difference to comfort or experience. For most of us it is entirely a financial instrument, so ROI is key. Because ROI is capped at whatever the original cost was, there is no need to bring the electricity and gas usage to zero, just focus on low hanging fruit. Recently was looking into adding more panels and battery and it doesn't make sense as payback on that part would be over 20 years.
@johngreen1060
@johngreen1060 3 месяца назад
This is different for AC or MVHR. While there's saving aspect to them as well they bring some new qualities to live (cooling and fresh air), so not all renewables are about ROI.
@SisGuitarGAS
@SisGuitarGAS 3 месяца назад
Thank you EVM - your videos are a breath of fresh air! In my case, it’s heat pump plus solar with no battery (yet) as I can’t get a time of day tariff. my wife and I have an EV each so generally all spare solar goes into the cars (via the Zappi). Total cost (after grant) was £12.5k. Not including the FiT, our savings are £500 per year on energy bills (which now includes charging 2 EVs), about £150 per year on standing charge saving (having removed gas) and £750 saving on petrol. So about 9 years pay back. Not a stonking financial investment, but equally it’s still paying for itself in the long run so it works for me!
@gavjlewis
@gavjlewis 3 месяца назад
I guess one problem with replacing your gas boiler with a heatpump when it needs replacing is time. Its a cold January day and the boiler packs up. You call somebody out and they say its not worth repairing. So do you A) bite the bullet and get another gas boiler fitted within a few days. Or B) get a survey for a heat pump and wait 3 to 6 months for somebody to actually fit it. I have just been replacing my radiators to bigger ones as I have been decorating (hate having to paint radiators, they always look rubbish). So I can now run the gas boiler at lower flow rates to save money and hopefully when the day comes I'll be in a better place when its time to move to a heat pump .
@edc1569
@edc1569 3 месяца назад
Yeah could be an issue in January, but normally you get a bit of warning from them that things are going south.
@LudvigIndestrucable
@LudvigIndestrucable 3 месяца назад
Thank you for standardising your numbers on the whiteboard, it was really bugging me.
@stepheng8779
@stepheng8779 3 месяца назад
I fell in love with the idea of alternative power after watching a lumberjack years ago on TV. Middle of nowhere he diverted a tiny stream to fit a small water wheel, powered his whole workshop for free, put it all back as was when he'd finished 🤯 It's essentially new tech making use of old ideas and natural resources without causing damage, if done properly, what's not to like?
@downwind_david
@downwind_david 3 месяца назад
Basically, you're getting a $1800 return on $17500 invested, guaranteed every year and likely to increase with time. That's a guaranteed 10% return which matches long-term stock market growth (if your nerves can withstand the fluctuations), it's a return that is likely to increase and it helps the planet. As long as you buy quality equipment with 10+ year warranties, it's a no brainer. Over the past five years, I have basically done the same - my last electricity bill was $35 (about £18) per month - I live in Australia, so the solar works a bit better! 😃
@sc-lj9cp
@sc-lj9cp 3 месяца назад
The life of a battery is 10 to 15 years, then you’ve got to buy another one. Same for the hybrid inverter. So you need to make sure you get your moneys worth before having to replace kit. This is never factored into returns calculations. There’s also no guarantees for buying and selling your kwh’s. If everybody has solar panels eventually feed in tariffs will drop during peak sunny days. If everybody is charging their EV at night time it’s only a matter of time for the night tariffs to increase. If everybody has a battery then what effect does that have on pricing? I still want solar panels but my local electricity company has restricted feed in to 25 amps. So I can only put 5.2kw panels on the roof, which caps the amount I can earn from feed in tariff. I can only generate 1100 kWh per year based on PGIS. It still feels like I’m buying forward for electricity. Plus if I buy an electric car its value depreciates so fast, it wipes out savings on fuel via solar. If you want to setup in a cabin off grid setting up an electricity supply has never been easier. On grid I’m not convinced it makes financial sense unless you’re building a new house and you factor it into the build price.
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
Battery life isn't 10-15 years, it's 15-20+. There is no feed in tariif either so not sure what you mean by that? You can have as many solar panels as you want, it's the inverter that is capped.
@marcwebb687
@marcwebb687 3 месяца назад
​@@sc-lj9cpThe man speaks sense
@richardpiper4828
@richardpiper4828 3 месяца назад
I think it is a bit of a no brainer even though the capital cost has gone up and interest rates (for savings) have risen. Unfortunately the installation costs in older properties is likely to be substantially more when you take into account the need for far better insulation for heat pumps to work effectively and the need for perhaps smaller bore piping and radiator replacement. I also worry that the maintenance costs may be higher and parts of the system - solar panels, inverter etc - may not have as long a life as a conventional gas/oil system.
@waqasahmed939
@waqasahmed939 3 месяца назад
You make a fair comment about wages and labour costs of installing the system I'm actually from a town, not too far away from yourself but I bought a house in Manchester and the wages for me are higher here, sure, but equally, the cost of labour is so so much higher than in Yorkshire. It's why when I got my flat roof top insulation done, I got a company outside of the city
@leftcoaster67
@leftcoaster67 3 месяца назад
Appreciate the honesty!
@JohnR31415
@JohnR31415 3 месяца назад
You forgot your petrol savings… and that’s part of the whole electrification deal. When I go heat pump I’ll need to think about additional batteries as well… I can’t imaging GE and a.n.other supplier playing nicely with each other though.
@ablacknambercat
@ablacknambercat 3 месяца назад
Then he would have to add the cost of the EV replacing the ICE car. Better to leave it as is for this calculation. But you are right, the whole shebang returns a far better ROI than bits here and there.
@simonpaine2347
@simonpaine2347 3 месяца назад
​@@ablacknambercatI'm not sure about having to add the cost of the EV. Maybe add the difference between an EV and an ICE vehicle, but an EV will last way longer with way less expenditure, so just buying the car makes financial sense, the fueling of it is an additional cost/benefit.
@JohnR31415
@JohnR31415 3 месяца назад
@@simonpaine2347 petrol vs electronics more complex - could potentially (and may have actually) subtract ev charging from the household usage. But it’s a major contributor to which tarrif you choose.
@simonpaine2347
@simonpaine2347 3 месяца назад
@@JohnR31415 I just deducted my previous monthly petrol usage plus a bit for servicing etcétera and then factored that in. I'm comfortable with adding it that way.
@ryannowell3802
@ryannowell3802 3 месяца назад
I am in the North East of Scotland and I installed a 12.3pKW solar system with 10kw inverter and battery from SolarEdge, cost me £21k then installed a Heat Pump but with the grant and selling my previous system and changed radiators I made £700. In total I am expecting a pay back in ~6years! It's a no brainer!
@leftcoaster67
@leftcoaster67 3 месяца назад
Makes sense when you have older systems that need to be replaced. Or if you have the financial means to upgrade. For my Brother he lives part time on the Gulf Islands and Solar makes sense for him.
@sc-lj9cp
@sc-lj9cp 3 месяца назад
I really like what you’ve done. I believe the latest recommendations in the uk are to not put lithium ion batteries inside the house. I’m guessing this will trickle through to cost of house insurance. I also suspect the batteries will require changing after 15 years.
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
These aren’t lithium ion.
@rogerfinch7651
@rogerfinch7651 3 месяца назад
Lovely orange patch leads 😉
@richardcorns8553
@richardcorns8553 3 месяца назад
Great content thanks. We have libbi battery 18kW usable, small solar array and viessmann heat pump. We run and electric car which averages 500miles a month and an electric van which covers around 1200mile a month. No gas supply. May electric bill £ 122 including standing charge. Average electric unit cost 8p.
@Sandra-mv7xm
@Sandra-mv7xm 3 месяца назад
@richardcorns8553 I too have a Viessmann ASHP with a similar setup minus the battery. What sort of SCOP are you getting?
@richardcorns8553
@richardcorns8553 3 месяца назад
@@Sandra-mv7xm Hi, our overall SCOP is 4.6.
@zyks4628
@zyks4628 3 месяца назад
​@@richardcorns8553Excellent. Same as me, 4.67. Have it a year now but still tweaking to see if I can get further improvements!
@richardcorns8553
@richardcorns8553 3 месяца назад
@zyks4628 Great! I hope you see further improvements with tweaking, although 4.6 is still very good.
@matthewbrown435
@matthewbrown435 3 месяца назад
Being a real estate salesperson in new Zealand i understand people's attitude to "payback". People here move on average every 5-7yrs so a big investment's in infrastructure that you can't really take with you is a factor. A new kitchen is probably more desirable unfortunately than a solar system for adding value to a home for resale - sad but true!. I've gone to a heat pump water system and ducted heating and cooling, I definitely want solar, just because i think it's the right move, rather than payback, especially with 2 EVs not to mention our dumbarse government have started "taxing" EVs with road user charges and removed rebates. Go "green" new Zealand! 😝
@markyates5744
@markyates5744 3 месяца назад
I think Octopus are doing free installs of heatpumps in some cases on 3-4 bed houses - the £7500 grant pays for the heatpump and installation.
@hughmarcus1
@hughmarcus1 3 месяца назад
They are. The question is whether the heat pump is any good. Don’t forget Octopus’ business model is to be the British Gas of the renewable market (stack em high & sell em cheap) they also want to dominate the market. That never bodes well for the customer.
@DerekHeffernan21
@DerekHeffernan21 3 месяца назад
Love the vid's keep up the great work 😊
@mcdon2401
@mcdon2401 3 месяца назад
My parents are finally looking at a heat pump system, after many years of my dad point blank refusing the idea. Their big issue was they use bottled gas, and that is now eye wateringly expensive. Just letting them do the research on what grants that are availble to them.
@housechurchuk
@housechurchuk 3 месяца назад
The after should include lost interest of, say, £500 per year, so the payback is slower. That said we have solar, battery, and Thinsulate 3m window film, but the reason was primarily environmental.
@trailblazer7108
@trailblazer7108 2 месяца назад
I recently got heat pump quotes from Octopus and Heatable for a 3 bed house and they quoted me £5,500 and £7,500 resp.
@robin5215
@robin5215 3 месяца назад
good video for people wanting to save money in the long run.. well worth it👍
@johngreen1060
@johngreen1060 3 месяца назад
Best not to lump PV+battery with heat pump. The latter (currently) hardly save any money, unless you are comparing inefficient/broken system with a new one. Gas prices need to be above 25% of electricity prices for it to change, and that assumes a good HP installation.
@stephaniehart4527
@stephaniehart4527 3 месяца назад
I should have had a bigger battery / inverter, but I only had a 5. Even so, i pay £1 a month and pocket £100 this year when the spring was bad for solar. That £100 will pay for my ev charging so effectively covers my motoring. I have to have a new oil boiler, and will have air2air heating instead… so I will use maybe a few hundred in electricity instead of oil. But the hardware cost is no different to a replacement boiler. The saving a/c to my neighbours is 1-2 000 a year in electricity costs, so I will return my investment in less than 6 years. Less given the high cost year cost me nothing.
@simonpaine2347
@simonpaine2347 3 месяца назад
Couldn't agree more about the "it doesn't make financial sense" brigade. I've abused the environment in my early life and I see this as a kind of payback to the environment. If only we all did whatever we could to leave the planet a better place thsn we found it.
@waqasahmed939
@waqasahmed939 3 месяца назад
​ Their domestic grid is fairly green. Their industrial grid isn't, but also you currently can't get around the whole needing coking coal for stainless steel thing We have exported a lot of industry there, and they still emit far fewer emissions per capita than the UK where the industrial revolution began.
@waqasahmed939
@waqasahmed939 3 месяца назад
I'm a touch wary of heat pumps, mostly due to the refrigerants having a GWP which is potentially higher than methane Though this being said, the refrigerant in there would have to leak before it's an issue, and I'm not sure how long R290 stays in the atmosphere Realistically you could have a GWP of say 1500, and if it dissipates from the atmosphere in just a few days, that's a massive win. I will however end up getting a heat pump regardless, but I'm a touch wary on the GWP thing.
@bearcubdaycare
@bearcubdaycare 3 месяца назад
​@@NigelSavagery Apparently China just opened a 200,000 acre (80,000 hectare) solar array, the largest in the world. Yeah, they're big on coal, but apparently are doing enough with renewables to cover all household usage (but not industrial usage). Their emissions are enormous, no doubt, compared to the rest of the world, but there's apparently a lot of renewables being installed too. With solar panels so cheap, world-wide more solar is being installed (by dollar value) than any other source. So, despite my scepticism, China might actually transition to renewables.
@simonpaine2347
@simonpaine2347 3 месяца назад
@@NigelSavagery China is now the worlds biggest energy producer and consumer. Yes the majority of this unfortunately still comes from coal, however that will change in the next year, with wind, solar, hydro and battery storage increasing at the highest rate in any country in the world. In 10 years or less they will be exporting clean energy to their less fortunate neighbours.
@simonpaine2347
@simonpaine2347 3 месяца назад
@@NigelSavagery Why would China be laughing? Because they sold the products that I'm using to reduce my carbon footprint and make a small payback? Perhaps you should look around your home and check where your TV, and the majority of all of your electro domestic products are made. Your car will have Chinese parts in it. If not from new, then the replacement parts will be. Perhaps they are laughing at you as well? Perhaps they are laughing at all of us? Perhaps we shouldn't worry about what other people think or do?
@trick700
@trick700 3 месяца назад
Are your saving greater if you factor in recent higher energy costs and the benefits of charging your electric car at home? That is, what were your savings in yr1, yr2, yr3 etc. ?
@COSolar6419
@COSolar6419 3 месяца назад
I often hear the “when will this pay for itself “ question about our solar, heat pump, insulation, and EV from people who just spent $20,000 on a kitchen remodel. They have no way of knowing if that kitchen upgrade will ever pay off but they value the results just like we value the results of the solar, heat pump and EV.
@COSolar6419
@COSolar6419 3 месяца назад
@@NigelSavagery The heat pump water heater provides hot water using electricity from our solar array.
@peterjones6322
@peterjones6322 3 месяца назад
But you know the day you install your new kitchen that it will never ever pay you back any money.​@@NigelSavagery
@pppscooby
@pppscooby 3 месяца назад
Kitchen remodel analogy is silly, if your kitchen is knackered you only have one option to replace it, a new kitchen. Whereas if your gas boiler is knackered you have two options, and modern gas boiler or some or all of what you have seen in the video, in which case payback matters and can help you decide. Especially when you aren’t sure how long you are staying in your current home.
@COSolar6419
@COSolar6419 3 месяца назад
@@pppscooby I am not talking about a knackered kitchen. I am talking about a fully functioning kitchen that just isn’t in the latest style.
@pppscooby
@pppscooby 3 месяца назад
@@COSolar6419 like replacing a fully functioning gas boiler with a heat pump etc, both produce heat, both are hidden away and not on show, the only differentiating factor is cost of ownership.
@andrewgage6942
@andrewgage6942 Месяц назад
I only have a small stable block conversion, I have solar panels and I have had batteries installed, I admit I know absolutely nothing about heat pumps or what their function is, I have well and truly insulated my house, my solar panels are on a feed in tariff, I only have a hot water tank, I don't actually have any heating as such apart from a towel rail as my home remains warm in winter and cool in the summer. That extra £17500 you spent on all of those extras will ADD more than that to the value of your property should you decide to sell up, let alone the savings I've made, you're saving more than me, I'm in an all electric household too As far as electric vehicles go, I can't afford the initial purchase price, I don't have access to off road parking, the infrastructure is nearly non existent in this area and I'm not credit worthy so I can't pay for electricity to run an electric vehicle. Sadly I can't afford or be able to run an electric vehicle I had my installations not just to save money, but I'm around 10 years away from retirement and I'm thinking practically before it's too late, whilst I'm still working, I'm a single person, I don't see a pension covering the rising costs by the time I reach retirement age
@David-bl1bt
@David-bl1bt 3 месяца назад
By way of comparison and for information to those considering. I've had solar (14 panels) 13.5kW battery (GE AIO) and an EV charger installed 3 weeks ago. The total cost was £13,800 I was quoted £1000 less by another company but i chose a larger established company who i felt more comfortable, with and didnt want any deposit. Im having a heat pump fitted to repkace my gas combi boiler. I am in a new build so the gas boiler is only 6 months old but is still a no brainer to have a heatpump fitted as I have been quoted £628 by British gas...i have two people lined up to buy my gas boiler for £1000! So, as I say a no-brainer for me! I have deferred my hp install ad my preference is for the cosy6 which I am told is 6-8 weeks before installs commence (slthough a poster on here is currently having one installed 🤔). Mainly for the aesthetics but also because I like to embrace new technology.
@duffman9
@duffman9 3 месяца назад
Just got all this installed in May so no idea what I will save. But so far it’s looking good. Had to get all the radiators and piping replaced so more expensive but in Scotland so got an extra 2500 grant for solar and interest free loan for most of the rest. Had the smart meter replaced as it couldn’t handle exporting plus it was reporting twice as much on the 30 minutes compared to the monthly readings. That and 3 cars means it will take me months to get any reasonable idea of how much I am saving.
@hugothompson3709
@hugothompson3709 3 месяца назад
Very interesting, thanks for doing this. Did you include the fuel savings from switching from ICE to cheap nighttime or 'free' solar electricity charging EV? Also did u include any savings of selling solar back to grid?
@andrewsmyrek7161
@andrewsmyrek7161 3 месяца назад
I've gone the other way and spent on insulating and Double glazing. For many that will sound strange, but in Australia we live in large energy sieves. By plugging up the holes we can now go through the heating season with a 45% decrease, based on the previous 2 years bills. So I ask is there anything you can do to improve your numbers in this department Andy?
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
They were done first.
@undercoveraca
@undercoveraca 3 месяца назад
It would be interesting to see this expressed as return on investment over various periods of time, factoring in how long your warranty periods are to get a sense of the risk. Saving up to 1,800 per year from after tax income is excellent - like earning an extra 3,000 per year for many.
@Gillibrand65
@Gillibrand65 3 месяца назад
Even on your very generous man maths, it’s a no brainier…Saving £150 per month for life, indexed linked…
@marcwebb687
@marcwebb687 3 месяца назад
For life, is there no end of life for the equipment?
@parallel_me
@parallel_me 3 месяца назад
Is the inverter a True Sine wave inverter? "Pure" sine wave is just marketing. But non-sine wave inverters are really risky for appliances that have a motor in it. Can you please confirm this?
@garethedwards8744
@garethedwards8744 2 месяца назад
Just about to swap my diesel for an EV and have been crunching the numbers on electricity tariffs. My roof is no good for solar and no home battery so for me it's just the EV. Have to say unless you can schedule virtually your entire usage to cheap rate periods EV tariffs are a waste of time in isolation
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 2 месяца назад
@@garethedwards8744 not if the car uses more than the house.
@matchmade44
@matchmade44 3 месяца назад
I don't remember EVM saying how many kW of solar he was getting for his £4,000, or his supplier, but I can't find anyone who'll do a small 4kW system for less than £7000. How is he getting these prices? Ditto £10,200 for 19kW of batteries is incredibly cheap. I've been quotes nearly double that in south Oxfordshire by 3 different firms. The payback period ought to factor in that the solar inverter will need replacing after 10-12 years and the batteries may last no longer than 10 years and will see declining performance. The ASHP also seems super-cheap. Is it a very small pump, because the house is already super-insulated? What is its SAP or heat loss rating? Nice video but there's loads of missing data here I'm afraid.
@davethefab6339
@davethefab6339 3 месяца назад
Don’t forget the cost saving when your gas meter is removed.
@paulhughes3524
@paulhughes3524 3 месяца назад
This system will work on a new build designed to maximise the savings. But you need a slightly larger property for a plant room to house all the gubbins along with underfloor heating . I've got solid walls i.e no cavity and paid 10K (no grant) for exterior insulation in 2020 new gas boiler was 3K, no hot water tank. boiler in kitchen cabiente no extra space needed.I put 50 % of ground floor on u/floor heating as part of an extension and remoldeling. My energy bills are around 2.2K with gas being 1K. Pay back for my exterior insulation is north of 20 years. My maintenance costs are £60 boiler service fee and warranty is 10 years. With the solar , heat pump and battery systems lies a future maintenance and replacement cost that is unknown so unless you put away a sink fund , then a nasty suprise is not far away. I'm not saying its not the future but retrofitting is not really cost effective for a large portion of the UK's housing stock. I have enjoyed the videos though
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
You don't need underfloor heating. Makes it more efficient but it's far from a requirement. Solar and batteries have no maintainence at all. Warranty is 25 years+ on Solar and 12 years on battery (lifespan is longer than warranty, expect 15-20 years at least)
@hadtobe4502
@hadtobe4502 3 месяца назад
What was the Kw array of panels you had on the roof please?
@LoamWolf661
@LoamWolf661 3 месяца назад
Impressive figures. In these calculations, should you not have also factored in the return you would have received on £17,500 if you had invested the money or put it in a high interest savings account?
@smeg3519
@smeg3519 3 месяца назад
Heatable quoted me £14k for 14 REA panels and a 10.1kw battery. Not sure if that’s good value or not
@scottwills4698
@scottwills4698 3 месяца назад
Funny how we get different deals. I paid £18,500 for 5kwp solar, optimisers, solar edge inverter and Powerwall and gateway last year. But just paid £1560 for heat pump, new tank and 14 new radiators. The only thing I think you have missed is the loss of interest on the money. You would probably would have got circa £1000 a year interest on your “investment”. I bought mine for “geekary” reasons but enjoy the savings. 😂
@SAStarbucks
@SAStarbucks 2 месяца назад
For the heat pump, do you know anything about heat pump convectors and using a water system for cooling?
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 2 месяца назад
@@SAStarbucks You’d need an air to air for that, water cooling doesn’t work and would create condensation.
@85parrot
@85parrot 3 месяца назад
Bit baffled re: the heat pump cost. Ive just been quoted 16.5k, so with the grant (which is higher now) it'll be costing me 9k. This is with heat geek, and includes a few radiators. I've ripped out my gas boiler during a renovation already so pretty much already committed to it but i was pretty shocked at the cost. I was expecting 4-6k.
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
Get more quotes?
@85parrot
@85parrot 3 месяца назад
@@ElectricVehicleMan hmm, my other quote was indeed cheaper (10k total), but they advised a 12kw unit to heat my 3 bed semi. Heat geek advised a 5kw vaillant with radiator upgrades. I'd be paying a fortune in electricity to run an oversized unit. I suspect people having 2-3k installations are not have proper heat loss assessments done and it's luck of the draw as to whether the system works properly or costs them a fortune and/or doesn't heat the house
@roypateman470
@roypateman470 3 месяца назад
Makes perfect sense 😊
@mrgrumpy771
@mrgrumpy771 3 месяца назад
What about the changes to plumbing for the larger radiators? plus the radiators themselves and the associated controls? They seem to have been missed?
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
All included in the price. I barely needed any changes, it's a bit of a myth with modern HPs that you need to replace all pipes and rads etc. You don't.
@wobby1516
@wobby1516 3 месяца назад
I’ve installed all that you’ve installed with the exception of the heatpump which was installed by Octopus Energy. Like you I’m not that interested in pay back as like you I feel it’s a nonsense. However I had the money to do all and whilst in the bank it was earning very little. Now I estimate it’s giving me a return of more than 6% that’s taking into account the FIT payment I get which is the lowest amount before it ended. Does my heatpump heat my house? Absolutely, what’s more my wife on blood thinners needs heat so our house is always at 21-22.5°c.
@danielknights1505
@danielknights1505 3 месяца назад
Don’t think I’m gonna go for the heat pump as we don’t have room for a water tank we are looking at the bolt electric boiler
@Phil-kt6hc
@Phil-kt6hc 3 месяца назад
Hi EVM, what size is your array please?
@briangriffiths114
@briangriffiths114 3 месяца назад
Your house is beautifully finished, who built it?
@amgrechlarosa
@amgrechlarosa 3 месяца назад
Really interested to know how this has influenced your EPC. I don't believe that anyone has covered this aspect online but I stand to be corrected
@MrGMawson2438
@MrGMawson2438 3 месяца назад
Cheers Andy
@johnh3095
@johnh3095 3 месяца назад
Trying to drcide if a home battery first would make sense rather than solar and battery together! Only suitable roof for solar is NE facing, hence ny reticence to get the solar. I could squeeze a few panels on the front of the house, but would it be worth it? Thoughts anyone?
@glengosling5636
@glengosling5636 3 месяца назад
How much extra insulation have you added ?
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
To the house, none.
@anthony208
@anthony208 3 месяца назад
I’ll start by saying I don’t have an axe to grind either way, I’m genuinely interested in potential overall savings of PV, Battery storage and ASHP, hell maybe even an EV at some point. I appreciate that either side of the argument, people tend to paint as good as a picture as possible to justify their choice. I do find it odd that the payback period question is looked at as a negative in terms of greener energy solutions. I admit that i couldn’t careless about the environmental question, i neither believe that human activity has, as big an influence as the cultist claim and certainly my and uk overall contribution is negligible in global terms. I would consider the payback based on savings if replacing my gas boiler, in terms of gas savings due improved efficiency as opposed to the additional cost of the boiler. Asking why the payback question isn’t applied to say a new kitchen purchase is idiotic, people purchase all manner of items just for the joy and use of said item. But as most of us aren’t trying to save the planet, the cost of heating, electricity supply etc is fundamentally one of how can i do this for least annual cost and ideally building in better surety on prices going forward. Obviously i could save the most amount of money by choosing to rip out my gas boiler and not installing anything to replace it or use any electricity and sitting in the dark and cold, albeit that this isn’t really realistic. Likewise if i never travel anywhere, i would save a few thousand pounds a year on car running costs, but again thats unrealistic. The main reason to watch these types of vlogs is to see what your experience and more importantly what your costs are, so payback is a relevant question. Obviously there are many factors that can and will change in the future, smart meters for example are equally useful for increasing peak rate charges as they are for reduced rates in low demand periods, obviously a solar/ battery will negate or mitigate these risks. Clearly EV costs will rise as more people convert and government has to maintain its tax take on vehicle users, obviously this will effect ICE vehicles as well, as the government appears hell bent with pursuing the net zero lunacy. They will inevitably increase costs for all forms of fossil fuels to discourage continued use, or more importantly make green energy production from wind and solar farms look more viable economically. Obviously this could be argued as another positive for local production by individual homeowners. It would be interesting to watch these type of vlogs and read the comments without both sides having to make irrelevant or spurious comments to justify their decisions. My criticism is not aimed so much at the vlogger, more so for some of the claims made in the comments, but hey ho.
@neilfennell6833
@neilfennell6833 3 месяца назад
If the batteries are relying on being charged with a TOU tariff, what happens if those tariffs disappear or aren’t so generous?
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
They’re getting more common, not less. It’s the way the grid is moving to.
@neilfennell6833
@neilfennell6833 3 месяца назад
@@ElectricVehicleMan One would hope so.
@primus108
@primus108 3 месяца назад
If you assume an interest rate of 5%, the payback becomes much longer.
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
Then I should assume an inflation rate on the price of utilities which would ultimately increase the savings the system makes. Countering that.
@meehall3960
@meehall3960 3 месяца назад
What you said about carbon monoxide is so true. 😆
@pppscooby
@pppscooby 3 месяца назад
I am looking a battery system but not sure how long i am staying at my home in which case payback matters.
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
Take it with you.
@pppscooby
@pppscooby 3 месяца назад
@@ElectricVehicleMan i thought that, then i found out what electricians charge to decom and refit as well as trying to transport it….. put it this way, it’s not worth doing
@mjcamp01
@mjcamp01 3 месяца назад
Hi, regarding your comment, I've spoken to several people who have got a great pump for the price of the grant and no extra .... Please share details, this is a game changer!!!
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
Depends on how much the cost is for a house. If it’s less then £7.5k than it’s essentially free.
@mjcamp01
@mjcamp01 3 месяца назад
@@ElectricVehicleMan Hiya, I wasn't clear enough, can you tell me which companies are offering the best deals? The best (back of a beer mat) price I have received was about £13k less the grant, that's a long way from £7500. It was nice to see you at EE North, but you were too busy to chat with sadly.
@JamSoupMusicLols
@JamSoupMusicLols 3 месяца назад
Sounded like some pretty band coil whine I'm the battery room
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
That was the water running through the pipes from the heat pump. I’m stood next to the water tank/heat exchanger etc.
@JamSoupMusicLols
@JamSoupMusicLols 3 месяца назад
@@ElectricVehicleMan good to hear! Keen to explore a battery install post house move but the noise gave me pause for concern. Had prolonged exposure to a rather "hummy" fridge freezer during renovations so I now know the value of no buzz/whine environment .
@davidjohn05
@davidjohn05 3 месяца назад
Yesterday I installed 13 Solar panels on a south-facing roof and a Solis Inverter and a Duracell battery for £7800 ( I don't know whether that is a good price or not) but so far on a cloudy rainy day in Northern Ireland the Battery charged up to 99% and it appears we have spent nothing on electricity we have already earned £3.70 from the grid. About two years ago we changed our heating system from Oil heating to Natural Gas and our last quarterly bill for Gas was £800 and the previous bill was £1200 (I have never ever had bills like that not even with oil) so I needed to do something, which is why we have taken your advise and moved to solar panels and be less reliant on Gas. In Northern Ireland, we get no grants....so no incentive to move to solar. Would you advise us to move our tariff to Economy 7 (Off-peak tariff) or should I wait until winter and then change over and use the off-peak tariff to charge the battery?
@peterjones6322
@peterjones6322 3 месяца назад
I have solar and a battery. I now export maximum energy by charging my EV and filling the battery using Octopus night tariff of 7.5p.Alll my solar generation goes to export at 15p. Makes much more financial sense and helps more to balance the grid
@leftcoaster67
@leftcoaster67 3 месяца назад
WHITE BOARD OF TRUTH RETURNS!
@badfly1
@badfly1 3 месяца назад
Payback is a relevant metric as typically the technology used to replace say the gas boiler with something else is more expensive than just replacing for like, or adding solar PV where there had not been any before. I for sure want to know if what I am doing makes both economic and ecological sense.
@roypateman470
@roypateman470 3 месяца назад
Environmental and money .
@RupertBear412
@RupertBear412 3 месяца назад
whats the expected life span of all those items? - yes in 10 years I may need to replace my gas boiler but will you need to replace those 3 items?
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
Solar warranty is 25 years+ Battery warranty is 12 years (lifespan at 15-20years+) Heat Pump should last 10-15 years.
@marcwebb687
@marcwebb687 3 месяца назад
​@@ElectricVehicleManwarranty is only good if the company is solvent
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
@@marcwebb687 That applies to anything sold in life. It’s the same for both! 🤦‍♂️
@marcwebb687
@marcwebb687 3 месяца назад
@@ElectricVehicleMan My point is a warranty period is only good if the product is going to last that amount of time AND the company honours it. Anybody can claim it will last X Y Z, also the panels degrade year on year I'd like to point out I'm not on the EV band wagon yet, I'm not against it longterm but I don't feel the technology is quite there yet, I feel early adopters are just guinea pigs Cars that can achieve 350miles at 80mph with windows open and air con at 16'c or 30'c in the winter and home products that last 15yrs and pay themselves off in 50% of that period, and I'll embrace with open arms
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
@@marcwebb687 How can anyone assure you a company will be here in 20years? Any company! You’d never buy anything with that mentality. So what you want is the ability to drive from London to Edinburgh without stopping? Thats 7-9 hours driving non stop.
@andymccabe6712
@andymccabe6712 3 месяца назад
It always amuses me when people try to dismiss the 'payback period' question.... y'know... comparing it to buying a new sofa and looking for the payback period... .....it's financial naivety...!! Thirteen years ago, I didn't have solar PV - then I had it installed and paid £8500 for the privilege! Soo....at that point I was DOWN £8500! The SOLE purpose of having the system was to MAKE MONEY from the Feed in Tariff..and, real time use of power..... ...so, OF COURSE I want to know the pay back period!!! Otherwise, until the system has EARNED £8500 it has no purpose.....it's costing me money!! Once I break even, it starts to generate income... which pays my energy bills... ....it's not rocket science.... !!! (If I feel all 'tree hugging' and 'planet saving' while making money ...then, that's a bonus ...!!)
@aussie405
@aussie405 3 месяца назад
Do you pay less for electricity with your solar panels than you would without them? That is also part of the pay back.
@keithdenton8386
@keithdenton8386 3 месяца назад
So the heat pump price was just the difference between the gas boiler and the heat pump. So if I don't need a new gas boiler it's going to be more expense that I don't need.
@mikeypc3592
@mikeypc3592 3 месяца назад
Well he did say there's no point getting rid of the boiler if you don't need to.
@MrGMawson2438
@MrGMawson2438 3 месяца назад
It's a no brainer
@Mopatops
@Mopatops 3 месяца назад
How many years before batteries need replacing?
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
15-20+
@Mopatops
@Mopatops 3 месяца назад
That's not too bad. I suppose you'll make enough profit after breaking even to start saving for battery replacement.
@marcwebb687
@marcwebb687 3 месяца назад
If they last that long, batteries are well known to last 20yrs 😂
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
@@marcwebb687 I work for the company that makes them, I should know. How long do you think?
@peterjones6322
@peterjones6322 3 месяца назад
​@@marcwebb687 Clearly you are an expert.
@keithdenton8386
@keithdenton8386 3 месяца назад
Have you noticed that the greener we get the colder it is. It' June for god's sake and we are cold. I have to have the coal fire on to keep warm and hopefully help heat up the planet. Back in the 70s it was blazing hot in June. In the 90s I had to buy an air conditioner to cool the house down. Its never been on since 2005. Are we being lied to, I suspect we are.
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
It’s climate change, not warming! Not how it works.
@steve_787
@steve_787 3 месяца назад
3:20 - That a 924 in the garage?
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
MK1 TT V6
@steve_787
@steve_787 3 месяца назад
@@ElectricVehicleMan ah yes, I see it now 👍
@davedevonlad7402
@davedevonlad7402 3 месяца назад
Something doesn't seem right here, he said his ashp for a full year was over £282 a few months ago. The figures don't add up, My standing charge alone is £240 a year. He has 19kw "usable" battery storage and thats absolutely huge compared to most people. His sola array must be at least 8kw to get his bills to that amount for a whole year even in winter and charging up the batteries at night. I have a 4kw "south facing" in the southwest of England and 10kw storage batteries in a 3 bed house "no ASHP yet" and it costs me around £600-£750 a year including the standing charge of £240 a year not including my EV. Its just me an the wife "no kids" and we both work so out all day. So how is his so low ??? I am classed as a low to medium energy use user so i just don't get how his bills are so low. Are his bills including the standing charge or not ? If they are its extremely impressive and i would love to know in a very detailed way how. Edit: he also doesn't include his EV charging costs as i guess he uses overnight electric for that like i do for my ev. I don't want to come across as skeptical but to me it just doesn't add up to what i understand of the costs of running a system like this. Just importing energy last year cost me £160 a year at night to fill my batteries. So just my standing charge and overnight top up cost £400 not including any actual used KWs from the grid. £500 a year electric bill is a major stretch for most homeowners with anything under a 20kw battery and a large solar array. Its not realistic as most people only have 10kw and under.
@peterjones6322
@peterjones6322 3 месяца назад
I have a 4.7kw system in Norfolk and including diesel fuel cost versus EV charging cost, based on 8000 miles, my total annual cost was £257 and that includes gas heating and water. I was paid £500 for export, so maybe you are not earning that much ? our daily electricity consumption is about 5-6kwh. Octopus night rate and export rate on their Intelligent Go tariff is what I have
@davedevonlad7402
@davedevonlad7402 3 месяца назад
@@peterjones6322 I Don't earn as much but it still doesn't compensate for the difference I see in this video and the previous ASHP video that came out a while ago. I am also on the octopus "intelligent go tariff" and have been for a while so I understand it quite well after doing a lot of homework on costs Vs use Vs import/export ect ect. It's just doesn't feel right from what see and know. But it is what it is I guess. I would love to know how you only pay £17 more than just my electric standing charge for all of your bills combined. My water is £360 approximately a year alone. So just my water and electric standing charge is MORE than ALL your bills combined for a year. Very interesting 🤔
@thomasneely2700
@thomasneely2700 3 месяца назад
Adding ASHP, solar and battery does not qualify a house as an “eco house” maybe carbon reduced at best. Sorry but you would need to passiv or Enerphit to claim eco house
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
Hence the “” around the word. Simplest way of getting the point across in a small sentence title.
@thomasneely2700
@thomasneely2700 3 месяца назад
But it’s wrong and unfortunately you knew it too However let’s not argue about clickbait.
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
Give me a title that describes what I have.
@thomasneely2700
@thomasneely2700 3 месяца назад
@@ElectricVehicleMan of course I won’t. I’m sorry but I don’t manage your social media. Good luck.
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
@@thomasneely2700 But you offer advice for free!
@mattx4253
@mattx4253 3 месяца назад
That money invested in tax free isa stocks would have made 300% more than you have saved compounding for 30 years. This is insanely bad investment if you take in to account the lost opportunity costs
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
My house has gone up purely because of these installs by more than they cost. And I talked about this in the video you didn't fully watch it seems.
@mattx4253
@mattx4253 3 месяца назад
@@ElectricVehicleMan not in a million years has your property gone up in value due to these installed items. They are a liability not an asset. Just ask a rics surveyor and not some estate agent. Solar is ugly. Batteries fail and the companies won’t last as long as the warranty and heat pumps have such a stigma that nobody is getting them outside all the die hard eco techs.
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
@@mattx4253 Batteries fail! 🤦‍♂️ Solar has a 25 year warranty Batteries have a 12 year warranty (but will live a lot longer!) Heat pumps are just a heating system that have been around decades! Just look at market research. Prices are higher for more efficient properties.
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
@@mattx4253 Batteries fail! 🤦‍♂️ Do you live in the past? Solar has a 25 year warranty Batteries have a 12 year warranty (but will live a lot longer!) Heat pumps are just a heating system that have been around decades! Just look at market research. Prices are higher for more efficient properties.
@mattx4253
@mattx4253 3 месяца назад
@@ElectricVehicleMan no your battery manufacturer has a warranty as long as it’s trading. Solar lasts yes but that has a service liability and it’s ugly as fuck on a house. Nobody wants that shit on their roof to save £50 a month on electric. Your heat pump has a 10 year lifespan if lucky as the compressors fail. I know this because my brother is a HVAC engineer. None of this adds value to a house.
@andymacleod2365
@andymacleod2365 3 месяца назад
Why is your heat pump not in the loft, under the huge solar connector of you slates/tiles?
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
The loft would be freezing in winter to the point of being colder than it is outside. Then there’s vibrations etc too.
@garysmith5025
@garysmith5025 3 месяца назад
The time you most need a heat pump is in winter when it's cold and dark, all you'd end up doing is stirring increasingly cold air around in an enclosed space and compromising the performance of your loft insulation.
@andymacleod2365
@andymacleod2365 3 месяца назад
@@ElectricVehicleMan Thank for the prompt and honest reply, It is interesting to hear your fear of noise/vibration from the Heat Pump which confirms the fear of you and many others about how these units get nosier over time as they are only a large refrigeration unit it begs the question of how good is the build quality and ultimately the design. On the temp side the added height shouldn't add to the cold but the large area of dark roof covering dose increase the temp inside the loft and so increase the HP COP.
@andymacleod2365
@andymacleod2365 3 месяца назад
@@garysmith5025 why would you loose insulation?
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
@@andymacleod2365 It would cool the loft until it’s way colder than outside. The vibration on your loft floorboards would be noisy at night, outside and downstairs they’re silent. You’d hear anything running up there.
@AR-dn6kh
@AR-dn6kh 3 месяца назад
Nice to see the middle classes saving money. This net zero nonsense doesn't benefit the majority. You need a massive outlay to save money in the long run . No solar panels on Amy council houses or housing associations around my area. As for EVS no use for home charging unless you have a drive way. Again not tje majority.
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
Actually, over 55% of houses in the UK have off road parking. As for solar on a rented council house, it’s the council you need to be annoyed at as the owners of the property, not people who’ve worked hard to get these things. I’m from one of the poorest areas in the UK, I get what you’re saying, but I’m not apologising for working two jobs for 5/6 years to get these things. As for net zero, that’s nothing to do with this. They were around before anyone even said that phrase. 🤷‍♂️
@thomasneely2700
@thomasneely2700 3 месяца назад
I don’t need to and I don’t read the mirror I also live in the real world
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
Need to what? You’ve started a new thread?
@thomasneely2700
@thomasneely2700 3 месяца назад
@@ElectricVehicleMan The end.
@ElectricVehicleMan
@ElectricVehicleMan 3 месяца назад
@@thomasneely2700 Eh?
@SimonWallwork
@SimonWallwork 3 месяца назад
By all means make your house cheap to heat etc. If, on the other hand, you think you're saving the planet- you must have a screw loose.
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