There is a mistake everybody makes when considering powers in dragonball. That's considering only RAW energy power and not abilities. Cell had all Z warriors abilities and Piccolo's regeneration buffed up to a level not even Piccolo can hope to reach. That's a huge difference. If Cell didn't have regeneration he would have died to Super Vegeta's Final Flash right after his transformation. Again against Goku's instant trasmission Kamehameha and Gohan's firt Super Kamehameha when he reflects Cell's own Kamehameha. Therefore Dabura having Cell's same Power Level doesn't make him as strong and problematic of a foe as Cell was. This reasoning goes for Bu too. Without his regeneration abilities Bu would have been defeated pretty easily when in his fat form and his kid form.
@@cheerioss-9121 I don't even consider Super as it is completely incoherent with all DBZ. If we had to consider it Gohan going from weaker than first form Frieza to keeping up with Goku SSGSS in a few weeks off screen just by getting back to his supreme form is pure bullshit. Supreme Gohan back in Buu saga was just a little stronger than SS3 Goku and from what is shown in the beggining of Battle Of Gods SS3 Goku is pure crap compared to his SSGSS form. So pure nosense there.
ItsDrako Lmao I honestly thought i was the only one having trouble trying to make sense of how everyone magically becomes as strong as Goku and Vegeta whenever they achieved their god form. They had Future trunks going blow for blow with Goku Black, who was supposedly suppose to be way stronger than Super saying Blue goku. Then they had android 17 evenly matched with Goku while he was SSB again, and the reasoning was “He’s been training by keeping the island safe” like that make sense lmao. Then they have beerus in some other worldly level for a few episodes then the next thing you know he’s getting bitched by Bulma and Goku and suddenly Vegeta and Goku magically surpass or reach his level? He’s suppose to be some type of God of destruction
@@cheerioss-9121 Its called holding back Goku was holding back against 17 and also Gohan if he wanted he could end the fight but he loves to fight its no fun just to end it
No I think he’d probably just be as strong as potential unleashed form buu saga gohan and if he got his potential unleashed at that point he’d prolly then be in vegitos league, but he wouldn’t need to
@@MoonFallSlump I thought that too, but based on how fast his strength increased in the hyperbolic time chamber and if he actually kept pushing himself during the 7 year skip, the gap between him, Goku and Vegeta would be so wide that fusing would be their only option to keep up with a seasoned Gohan. The training Gohan did with Goten, the zenkai he got from getting drained and surving fat Buu, the z-sword training and the Elder Kai's unlocking ability made him stronger than Super Saiyan 3. If he had a gravity machine, trained another day in the hyperbolic time chamber or any other room at the lookout, Gohan would have been OP. Vegito or Gogeta would have been the only ones able to compete with him.
i hate this narrative vegeta trained that same amount of time even harder and didn't get much massive gains to his power without being pushed by an equal power he wouldn't of grown that much.
@@imjustadog1897 with vegeta training even harder then gohan in those 7 years and still not get much stronger it would be odd for gohan to have been the only one improving while trying in the damn wilderness
It's a double edged sword for Gohan in DBZ. If he's not mad/angry then he's not at his full potential, but when he got to 100% power (ssj2 teen Gohan, or Buu arc Ultimate Gohan), he was super cocky and arrogant.
Gohan's super saiyan 2 power level is 700,000,000 while in the buu saga his power level is still the same expect weaker, but after training with the Zeta Sword his power level is 800,000,000 the same as Vegeta.
Ronan YVR ??? He fought Freeza up to his 3rd form.... He was literally wished back by the dragon balls and fused with nail. Lmao shows how much you know
was mentioned by gohan that his power level dropped by over half after taking cell's attack for vegeta. i mean power levels drop when the person is injured or tired, it does not stay on the same level throughout the battle. if gohan can sense his own power, which he should be able to, then it should not be mental issues. so lets just say that 50% of teen gohan's power level=super perfect cell's power, since they were pretty much stalemate in the beam clash, and cell was slightly more powerful because gohan was operating with just under 50%, and since dabora is about even with cell, then we can say that dabora=50% of teen gohan's powerlevel. and dabora was fighting pretty evenly with adult gohan. so conclusion, gohan lost about half of his power compared to when he was a kid. meaning ss2 adult gohan=ss1 teen gohan base on the super saiyan multiplyer. as for how much was the difference between adult gohan's powerlevel vs goku/vegeta, after goku went ss2, vegeta comment that "at least you are stronger than your son was". so ss1 goku/vegeta has got to be more powerful than ss1 teen gohan, which translate to them being just slightly above ss2 adult gohan when they are at their ss1 forms, since ss2 adult gohan=ss1 teen gohan. so they are pretty much at least 2 times more powerful than adult gohan
Piccolo definitely knew of Gohan's latent potential, that's why he trained him after all. It's erupted time and time throughout the series for all characters to see. But yeah there was no way piccolo could forsee a whole new level.
I always liked how Vegeta scolded Gohan about his slacking off like a disappointed uncle in the beginning of the Buu saga lol. Their relationship was always a weird one to me. I remember Gohan's nervous *uh umm...hi, sir* When he saw Vegeta again after so long.
I always assumed Gohan was the strongest up until Majin Vegeta arrived and Goku showed he'd learned SSJ2. There is a scene during the tournament (at least in the anime) after Gohan goes SSJ2 where Vegeta comments on Gohan being weaker, only for Supreme Kai to comment that even if that was true, Gohan was still the strongest fighter they had. So at least in terms of power, Gohan seemed to be #1 up until the point Vegeta and Goku revealed they could also go SSJ2. After that reveal Gohan went down to #3.
I'm pretty sure toryama didn't think this through. he's sometime playing around with the character's level in a casual and not always consistent way. But good video anw.
Toriyama destroyed gohans character, Gohan was 12 when he defeated cell, teen cell was a bitch and adult gohan is the worst character in super, 12 year old Gohan was maaaaddddd
Here's a question, how much power did Gohan gain by training with the Z-Sword? It's worth noting that he was effortlessly swinging it around, while Goku had significantly more trouble. Technique might play a role, but I seriously doubt it played THAT big of a role. Maybe he even surpassed Goku, at that point? I wonder how powerful he would've been if Goku had taught him SSJ 3.
Agreed. One hundred fucking percent. Get Gohan enraged like he was against Cell at the end and he could have fought on par with Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku.
It's almost like someone decided they would rather write one character and nerf another...hmmm. Like imagine if this shifted to Gohan like originally planned, similar to a JoJo feel, the next would have been powerful AND SMART. Holy shit what a dynamic change in story that could have been. A main character that isn't just obsessed with fighting constantly and would make smart moves to back up his power. WHY CANT I LIVE IN THAT UNIVERSE.
Gohan didn't lose power. He just lost the ability to tap into as much as he could before. This has to do with environment. During the Cell saga, Gohan HAD to become that strong. But during the peaceful 7 years, he had no reason to be, so naturally, he wouldn't just be able to tap into that power. All due to his emotional state because of him being half human. Even transforming into SS2 at the tournament, he just transformed just to transform. When Elder Supreme Kai unlocked his abilities, he pretty much just brought down the walls around Gohan's full power so he wouldn't have to be in a severe emotional state to access it. Therefore, up until Super, Gohan was still the strongest Z warrior on Earth outside of fusion.
You can’t compare that enraged gohan with a mildly angry gohan tbh...I mean we’ve seen it multiple times just how much his rage boosts him. Everyone seems to ignore that
After finishing this video, I think you're right. Gohan's mental training is incomplete. His physical training is still on par, and his Great Saiya-Man period wasn't him sitting on his ass, Yajirobi-ing himself. (I know, Yaji has a 900+ power level. This I am aware of.) Gohan maintained his strength, which actually clues us in to Saiyan biology, and why every Saiyan doesn't just go around halfway murdering each other and then reviving themselves. Firstly, they probably had few doctors, secondly, they probably finished the job more often than not, and last... well, there it is. A Saiyan won't lose the strength they've gained as they age so much as humans do. Thus they can keep powering up. The Oozoru stage is probably what saved Saiyan lives near death, and why the trait evolved at all (since it would have to happen enough to become viable). Maybe I'm overthinking Saiyan biology, but that's world building, which I love.
i blame chichi for Gohan's lack of power after the cell saga. she shouldn't stopped him from training. she should have encouraged him to train while also encouraging him to study.
Saiyans work very differently than any other race or being in dragon ball z. Saiyans have to constantly keep up with their training or they'll get weaker. They can't just sit around and do nothing or they will get weaker and weaker. The more they train and the more they do, the stronger they will get at a more rapid pace. Earthlings are kind of the same except they don't get stronger nearly as fast and they can't withstand as much in a shorter time plus they don't get zenkai boosts. Saiyans are literally built primarily for battle so if they just sit around and beat up an occasional group of robbers every blue moon their power level will detoriate very rapidly over time.
Gohan's power level varied based on the popularity of his character, and still does. His "place" in the Sayan Pantheon was largely taken by Future Trunks, leaving Gohan without purpose in the series plotline.
Super Perfect Cell himself literally states in the manga that he is equal to SSJ2 Gohan. Even if this statement is disregarded (since the anime version isn't as concrete), the fact remains that Gohan himself stated he lost 1/2 of his energy, and STILL held back a significant amount of energy in the Kamehameha clash, and Goku STILL thought Gohan had enough energy to defeat Cell (even before Vegeta's distraction). If Gohan was uninjured in the Kamehameha clash (or if the Senzu bean Goku gave to Cell had been saved for Gohan), then it's fairly safe to say he would stomp Cell in that beam clash.
if cell saga gohan was actually as strong as people think he was, he wouldn't of gotten injured the way he did with an enemy he is supposedly "toying" with.
Part of the question depends on the difference between Perfect Cell and Super Perfect Cell. SPC being significantly stronger. Gohan was getting butt kicked by Perfect Cell because his head just wasn't in the game, he didn't BELIEVE. If he did, he might have taken PC even without the SS2 power boost? With it, he was easily Cell's superior. But again, the SPC was tougher than expected; and Gohan WAS motivated for revenge and search for redemption, but crumbled upon being injured and realizing he was somewhat depleted. Of course, he did win in the end - (with some mental and physical help). But yeah, a healthy, motivated, fully powered SS2 Gohan could have beaten Super Perfect Cell. Though with perhaps some struggle. For the most part, he'd have cruised to a fairly easy victory. Whether Dabura is stronger than SPC is not completely established. We don't know for sure which Cell they were referring to. Goku and Vegeta were continually surprised so I'd be wary about thinking of them as great experts, but Dabura does seem to make for a comparative stand in for SPC, narratively speaking at least. Gohan had to struggle as hard and as fast as he could to stalemate Dabura, but considering rusty skills and his seemingly ever present self doubt, I'm not his power was actually all that much weaker. Vegeta TELLS us that it is, so I'll go off that, but I doubt that it's a huge power drop, so I agree with your analysis. I personally might have placed Dabura's power somewhere between Perfect Cell and Super Perfect Cell. A HUGE factor in all this wasn't so much that Gohan lost a little power, it's in that he was like a 10-11 year old boy when he fought Cell, and now he's nearly a grown man with slightly weaker power. That time and age difference magnifies the failure to get stronger more than it actually is. A big deal is that Gohan's fully released power as a little boy simply towered above Trunks, Vegeta and even his father. But now, his father is way stronger to where he has whole steps beyond what is now merely "SS2". I wouldn't put too much faith in Vegeta's bad mouthing because of who he is. His power increased radically, but I'd still be inclined to put him as #3 AFTER Gohan in terms of power. Vegeta is probably overestimating himself and underestimating Gohan; also, Vegeta's brutal fighting skills play a role in his internal calculations, so he's become quite dismissive towards Gohan. But he doesn't achieve true SS2 until given the Majin enhancement.
Debora was equal to cell at max power, but he had the wild card of magic which cell did not. The magic as a wild card is why Gohan stale mated rather than beat Debora imo.
Honestly I think Cell could’ve beaten SSJ2 Gohan easily if he would’ve utilized the Kaioken technique, and since he has regenerative abilities he would’ve continually gotten stronger after using it due to him getting zenkai boosts. Cell could’ve been the most powerful broken villain in DBZ
What a great question! And I agree, Gohan really lost a ton of power. And a lot of what made him such an awesome character, too. I mean, the way he was convinced that Goku didn´t go all out alone, he was such a cool kid, very mature but still young. He really came out of the Room of Spirit and Time a completely different person. But I also kind of think, Gohan may still be even the only one, who REALLY went ALL OUT. Because these characters have become all so powerful and used to supress themselves at this point. I would challenge anyone to point me to a fight, where a character went completely all out after this one! You could go to Super, too, I would probably still disagree.... Maybe Jiren at the final ToP fight, but I´m not sure....
it wasn't how much power he lost compared to what he was at that shocked me, but how much power he *could have gained!!! * I mean, he was 11.... *E L E V E N* . . . Had he kept up, as much as he could have without proper level opponents... I think we'd have seen a SSJ3 Gohan *VERY* early.
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If gohan trained 7-10 years then he would be god destruction level I don’t remember that much about super but he could only train for like 7 days, he turned from wimp to chad taking hits from blue goku in only 7 days. 7 DAYS?!?!!
Gohan had to have kept up some of his training during the 7 years after the Cell Games cause he was still in shape when he was training Goten and Gohan fought evenly with Dabura. In Super, Gohan was completely weak during the Resurrection Frieza Saga, where he was barely able to go Super Saiyan. There is NO Mystic Gohan, I've always say that it's just his Hidden Power at a more advanced level.
Its crazy how much "hidden potential" gohan has to help win fights and how much "hidden potential rage" vegeta has that looks strong but still gets his ass kicked xD (pre db super)
I always guessed Gohan maybe lost like 10% of his power at most. Bear in mind Gohan was an adolescent at this point, as opposed to an 11-year-old. Besides, his general martial arts skills were rusty. If you go 7 years without practicing your craft, your technique can decline immensely. I think people tend to overlook this, which makes his power drop look exaggerated. I'd guess his rusty skills made the bigger difference.
Black Saiyan God have u ever watched gt? Lol. Gohan sucks and will always suck after the cell saga what they need to do is finish super and go ahead into gt again because gt is the future... so super sayian 4 is the strongest form, and gohan needs to have some heart
John Zhou Ssj2 full power gohan would have a little trouble taking out cell in the beginning of the buu saga. Since he had trouble with dabura who is like cell with magic techniques
The real question is why did he lose MORE power in A FEW MONTHS between the end of Z and beginning of Super than he did in SEVEN years of no training after cell saga. Makes no sense when you think about it.
Guess you could just say his mental state by then was so pathetic it affects a lot like his ki too. Didn't think too much about the mental state aspect cause its kinda funny but it is true that usually we see it with chars getting angry then getting power out of nowhere. When Gohan fights Dabura Goku says that he should be able to beat Dabura because Goku cares more that his techniques are crap but doesn't care his son lived a peaceful life and went to school but his fighting technique is so horrible by then its what Goku uses to respond to Vegeta saying his power is lowered, it shows that Vegeta cares about power while Goku technique. Once Gohan is able to get his confidence back he strikes Buus shell with power that surprises people that have seen his and other SS2 powers before. DBS Gohan has worst mental state until TOP
Gohan's power came from a ritual. The Buu saga at the very most took a week in their universe. He didn't train in 4 years by the time BoG came, and after that, he still didn't train after a year. Frieza was revived for atleast a few more months after Vegeta went to Beerus' planet.
@Martin Ramirez when gohan got true potential mode in buu arc gohan was the strongest person in the series...that was stated. Gohan arrogance was his only weakness
Idk if it's a "form." I know in the games they treat it like a form, but in (at least DBS) the anime, Gohan just talks about achieving his own kind of strength different than Goku's. He also called it just "going all out" in the tournament of power. Gohan himself doesn't really refer to it as a "form."
@@zahktuthalxalyrion6364 yeah the games did, but hasn't he used it instead of SS in the anime? Like I would have thought it would be a boost to his base and increase SS power, not go out of SS to use it?
@@danielmoreira1802 Well it does provide a boost in his base form (it's all we really see him use it for). Logically, one would assume it'd boost his SSJ and SSJ2 forms as well. But Gohan doesn't WANT to use SSJ or SSJ2. Super Saiyan is his father's power. He doesn't want to just copy his father and just keep using super saiyan transformations to be stronger than his foes. He wants to be stronger in just his base form, and be able to fight on par with Goku. And we see that in DBS when Gohan goes all out against Goku, and Goku had to tap into SSGSS Kaioken to stop Gohan from pushing him. At just SSGSS, Gohan was still pushing Goku and telling him to stop holding back.
@@zahktuthalxalyrion6364 Mystic Gohan was the strongest form he had in the buu saga. He didn't need to go super Saiyan as it was stronger than super Saiyan 3. Gohan was dumping on super buu, which even goku said he couldn't beat super buu. Toriyama decided Gohan was not fit to be the main character of Dragon ball so that's why he has not surpassed Goku.
Literally the worst thing about dragonball.. seeing Beast Gohan overtake Goku and Vegeta when they trained so hard is ridiculous They should have capped out Gohan and used him as an example of what happens when you waste potential
@@kyleclatworthy8301 i dont like beast either, but gohan is still the most powerfull fighter of the series by far, even if he dont keep his training. At the age of 4 he managed to damage raditz, fought on namek a few years past against the strongest of the universe, and later unlocked ss2 at 11, the same age as goku in classic (were he struggled with yamcha and roshi) I think he is the only charavter that can get a lot of power from nothing based on his feats. The humans for example dont have any reason to become as strong as they were in TOP
Yeah, what a terrible mother, wanting her kid to succeed in the world and giving him education! Gohan had a loving wife, great family and good life, how terrible that he did not spend every waking moment of his life preparing for a crisis that might never come. He spend majority of his childhood in a constant warzone, how terrible of him to just want to be a normal dude...
Markel Paige full potential my ass everyone only looks from their side cuz everyone is selfish and want others to do things for them Chi chi is being a MOTHER and you can’t blame a mother for wanting to give HER SON a life outside of constant life death situations Look I love gohan Just like anybody else but I hate it when people say it’s chichis fault
Farmer with A shotgun you could also see from another perspective which is that gohan would die if he didn't do any of that training heck everyone one earth would be dead.
@@spiralanimations7736 what is wrong with you?? No one was disagreeing that point. They are just saying that yes, because of chichi, he never reached his full potential. Of course shes a good mom, but nevertheless, he didnt live up to what he could have been
I know right? I'm a adult with a kid and I'm still watching dbz clips and debating with people in the comment section lmao, I don't do this with no other show. I think us guys are attracted to power and this show was the best display of that.
I think Gohan's main issue is his loss of fighting sense because of the time he didn't train/fight... It doesn't seem to me that Dabura had the upper hand against Gohan... he just had some dirty tricks and Gohan... well... is just Gohan
To be fair, it was new Frieza with a base that is much stronger than his namek saga base. But I get your point, Gohan is really one heck of a disappointment
I'm glad you all brought up Piccolo in this video. That was just plain bad writing on this character. Piccolo seems like a warrior who train daily even in times of peace, in case a new threat were to emerge. He should have been alot stronger in the Buu saga. He should have been able to keep up with a super saiyan 2 (or almost) after the 7 year time skip (assuming he trained nearly everyday for 7 years).
I feel like in my opinion if he hadn't had kami brain smarts in him he would cause think about it kami it's not really a fighter he's more of a teacher and nail and piccolo are more ruthless and independent so that explains why he was helping trunks and Goten with the fusion and knew the surpreme Kai
Perhaps Piccolo did train daily but he had no one to train against. It's been shown that if you train with a partner, like sparring, you get stronger a lot faster, since you're pushing each other. Remember the three-year time skip between Frieza and the Androids? Piccolo trained with Goku and as a result, Krillin said that he was about as powerful as a Super Saiyan when he fought Android 20. That's a pretty big jump, considering we know a Super Saiyan can completely own Frieza, and Piccolo was having trouble even against his third form back in that arc. Let's look at all his other battles in Z: Trained on his own and with a very unskilled warrior in Gohan, got owned by Vegeta and Nappa. We already discussed Frieza. He trained on his own for Cell, and he knew it wasn't enough. I'm not counting 17 and 18 because he didn't train, he just absorbed Kami. So going by all of that it's pretty much confirmed that at least Piccolo can't gain much power unless he has a powerful opponent to spar and train with, and that's why even if he did train during those 7 years he would have still been pretty useless against Buu.
@@goldtgr7704 Not much Beerus just bodied him, but from BoG to RoF... Oof... He struggled going super saiyan.. SUPER SAIYAN!! in about 2-4 years time.. He was easily able to go super saiyan after 7 years not training, super saiyan 2 as well, but with some effort.. so how the hell does he struggle going super saiyan after 2 or maybe 4 years not training after that... He still had his "mystic form" in BoG.
He lost enough to be treated like a “Yamcha” when compared to Goku and Vegeta in the buu arc. I mean great saiya man??? Biggest smh moment when I first saw that goof doing ginyu force poses.
I think some of that was that the Ginyu Force was popular, and Toriyama tried to cash in on that by having Gohan act like the Ginyu Force. There was more to the Ginyu Force than the poses, so that's why it fell flat
@@Alienldr I respect that but in all my years in the fandom I never came across that bit of info. I know the Ginyu Force was a shout out to Japan's other popular franchise I.E Super Sentai. It would have made more sense to have Goten and kid Trunks to act like little ginyu rangers than a grown ass man running around like he missed a dosage of meds..lol.
I loved it, dragon ball z isn't meant to be so edgy, that's why in the west everybody loves gohan, cause he's an edge lord and a self insert whereas in the east the comedy prevails, Super Saiyaman was so much fun, and a slice of life in DBZ.
@@KaNgUrUhBR if you say so. To me the saiya man crap was just really cringy and made me not like Gohan anymore after the cell saga had finally gotten me to like him. I hated Gohan when he was a whiny kid and I hated him as a cringy on older teen & adult.
@@KaNgUrUhBR lol it just brought me back to namek as I couldn't stand the antics of the Ginyu force and to have it been brought back through Gohan makes me feel like that hit he took from Racoom had a larger effect on him like some deep seeded trauma that never fully healed mentally and his mental state is fractured like how Vegeta's arm never quite healed right. 🤣😂
I was stronger when I was 18 because I stopped working out for 6 years. It took me 2 years to regain most of my strength. I'm 25 now and I still haven't reached my 18 year old maxes
I wonder if Gohan even knew how to train by himself because let’s keep it real, he would’ve killed Vegeta or Piccolo in a spar session. That or he would’ve had to suppress himself heavily causing him to get weaker.
Idk if I would go so far to say that Gohan "lost" power. I would more so say that a portion of his power had gone dormant. In the Cell Saga he let out his potential through rage. In the beginning of the Buu saga he didnt have that rage to channel his potential thru, at least not like he did with Cell. I don't think he lost the power but more so lost the ability to channel it. While he probably remembers the feeling of being at that level and can still attain SS2 his emotions are still the barriers to unlocking it till Elder Kai.
Gohan trained literally everyday for a year just before the fight with Cell (with fkin Goku!). When he fought Dabura he was a scholar pretending to be a superhero as a hobbie... I think he actually lost some power but mostly technique and the mental state, also as you said, "the ability to channel" the power.
@@nemskalk I agree with you. Didn't lose a lot of power just some but more than anything he lost his fighting instinct and technique. His dormant power was still there and awakened by elder Kai.
Agreed...and he's a sayain so he definitely got a Zenkai boost from Cell even though it wouldn't be as much as a full sayain, but he definitely got one plus he got older. Naturally when you're a young adult you grow a bit in strength from a young teenager. I wouldn't say he got weaker in power, but I'll say he got extremely rusty in his fighting skills.
@D F ah yes under normal human physique I would agree. But Gohan is only part human. His Saiyan biology alone could easily keep conditioning since the Saiyan biology also keeps aging at bay so their bodies can continue to be used for battle. This is more apparent due to him having a muscular figure despite not training. Also he was 11 when he fought Cell. Just by naturally growing his body would make some progress at a later age. He admits that he isn't as strong which is true in the sense he doesnt have that access to that great power. Even in DB Super he states he needs to getting his fighting senses back to attain his "Mystic/Potential Unlock" again.
He probably lost around 20 - 25% of his power. That's fair considering he wasn't going to wreck SPC as easily as just Perfect Cell, but it's noticeable enough that SPC would still lose mid-diff.
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The way it was depicted during their fight, I doubt Dabura was really stronger than super perfect cell. Gohan wasn’t even at SSJ2 level power, he never unleashed it during their fight, we can tell from his aura. If SSJ1 Gohan is on par with Dabura, how can he be stronger than super prefect cell.
神推しあしゅりん he was fighting as a super saiyan 2. It’s poorly drawn or shown. But it’s obvious. The whole vegeta getting angry thing wouldn’t have happened if Gohan was holding back
Gohan gains power when those who are close to him are under threat, this has been made very clear since the headbutt to Raditz, so in a time of peace he would not get much upgrades to his power
I see it as well yes gohan did lose a lot of power technically BUT he did grow from preteen into young adult and we all know how much stronger you are as an adult versus when your an 11 year old boy
@@gekku1578 hay I was going into how the body grows. I was trying to say yes he lost power. The transformations are the same so they don't matter. While he has grown up and gone through purity so his body should get stronger. And in Dragon Ball his health of body goes to Ki. So I'm saying he had to lose a lot of Ki and get a lot weaker in comparison
Gohan's biggest issue is his lack of confidence in himself. He can become mentally defeated, and that's what makes it diffcult for him to maintain his power. Even Adult Gohan still suffers from that some times, untill he's really mentally committed to win.
Too much time to his mother's skirts, he haven't a hard life and is unable to understand the struggles that goku and vegeta do. It's not fair to compare gohan with them, because they are warriors and gohan is a scientist. Goku tries to get out all gohan potential and he does for cell, causing gohan a great trauma, not being at that height cost him the life of his father; he's not wanting to fight anymore, as he didn't really wanted, he did it for his father and because his father was there cheering him up.
Gohan did not lose power, the other characters just became way stronger than him at this time. Saiyans can't just lose battle power by not training. Frieza does not train but he never lost power. In real life as humans yes your muscles will become weaker if you stop working out but for these characters no.
It wasnt power as much as getting rusty. He "lost his fighting spirit" he became lazy. Not a ton physically weaker. Debora was stronger than cell for example.
Here's the thing tho, Gohan was "more powerful" but Goku was and will never cease to be a better FIGHTER than the others, and besides Toriyama's "OH MY GOD HE'S SO STRONG" fetish, the fight on and on itself kinda shown that
I would say he lost a mildly considerable amount. He didn’t get too weak to where he couldn’t go Ssj2 anymore but he lost a decent amount so that’s why he wasn’t as strong as his cell saga counterpart.
SSJ2 adult Gohan was a little weaker than Super Perfect Cell in terms of skill and power especially since Cell had the instant transmission, we never got to see SPC fight cause he would have been OP. It still only takes a SSJ2 to defeat SPC and Dabura even if its a weaker Gohan but would be hard to win.
He got rusty during the time skip, to busy with school to keep in shape, like jotaro in part 4 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MTW4sIL9Dpw.html
Another point that a lot of people don’t mention is that he didn’t just get weaker, he got much worse at fighting. During his fight with Dabura, he makes a lot of mistakes and straight up falls for baits and tricks. And during his fight with Buutenks, he starts mindlessly throwing punches the second he lost the edge in raw power
2:20 In my opinion, Goku lied. Goku wanted Gohan to defeat Cell. He wanted to give him self-confidence and show everyone how strong he was. apart from that you can say that he started thinking about the next generation and can't always do everything in the future. As Goku, understand that gohan dont like to fight and he is still a child, he told Krillin to give him a bean so that he could finish Cell. But that was prevented by Cell. I'm sure that Goku didn't show everything either. the much more important question is why cell got the most overpowered zenkai boost ever? from second form to SUPER Perfect cell. that makes absolutely no sense! xD
Cell just decided to screw the rules. He shouldn't have even been able to regenerate really. Although, one could argue that the zenkai boost scaled up drastically since he was regenerating very nearly 100% of his body. It does still break the rules of how his transformations are supposed to work...
Goku went from 400 something to thousands in a year, and then to hundred thousands in couple of days during his journey on Namek. And then some guy build two androids which were much stronger than emperor of the universe... consistent writing and clear rules in DBZ? Seriously
I think he lost a massive amount of power. Some of the points you guys raised I agree with but I'm on a different train of thought. Gohan was a MONSTER in cell saga and was still an absolute monster with 1 arm. I still think you're under estimating how strong he really was in cell saga, we never saw him go 100% with both arms, he was never even close. So, seven years of him not training, then and ONLY then, did Goku and Vegeta CATCH UP to Gohan. Even then, they said it themselves, if he got angry, it wouldn't have mattered. The Buu saga, in my mind, only goes to show, how RIDICULOUSLY strong Gohan was. The power was always there, like it had been since he was a kid...but years of not training left him poor in fitness and fighting prowess and, imo, ultimately short a huge amount of power.
I feel like Toriyama had Gohan lose all of that power for plot reasons, which should be obvious. If Gohan maintained or even grew in power during the 7 years, Dabura would've been a cake-walk. Thus, no Buu saga.
They didn't just catch up. Both ss2 goku and vegeta were stronger than ss2 cell sage gohan by a large margian. SS3 would probably one-shot cell saga gohan.
I agree with most of what you guys said but I want to make some points 1. teen gohan fought dabura at full power whilst young gohan was weakened and injured yet young gohan overpowered cell or at least stayed even whereas teen was losing 2. Gohan held back against cell the entire fight. even with one arm and half his energy he was able to with encouragement push cell back and it turns out he was still holding back 3. Dende healed him and gohans body was wrecked so he would have gotten a saiyan boost. that would make his strength higher than cell games 4. gohan trained a month before the tournament so actually grew stronger as seen with his training with goten as before goten had to stand a large distance away but got closer the more gohan trained (during the throwing rocks) If young gohan was a 10 Sp cell would be a 7 Dabura would be 7-8 teen gohan would be a 6 young gohan after being healed would be a 12-13 goku would be a 14 non majin vegeta would be a 12
I do not completly agree... If we set super perfect cell at 7 I would say: If Sp cell would be a 7 Gohan cell ssj2 would be an 8 with potential of a 10 Dabura would be 8 Gohan boo ssj2 be a 9 with potential of 12 goku ssj2 would be a 12 majin vegeta ssj2 would be a 12 This means Gohan of boo saga is stronger than Gohan of cell saga. Because of reasons: 1-Cell's Gohan has just awakened ssj2 2-Cell's Gohan is a kid, immature, with no willing to fight beyong his father's cheering up 3-Boo's Gohan has no threat since cell is gone and has no opponent to test his strenth with, as Vegeta refuses to train with him. 4-Boo's Gohan has raised mentality and now he understands a little bit better what's going on. In fact, Gohan would be able to reach a 12 with potential of 15 in his outrage, but due to his lifestyle he doesn't grow as much as Goku and Vegeta.
@@chocolate3213 His maturity makes him mentally weak, and also his muscles arent grow to its top. It's only that it seems stronger, but he's not... also he is using his rage to increase his potential, and he's not doing that when he's older
Let's not forget gohan still beat perfect cell weakened and using one arm. When he unleashed everything with one arm he completely annihilated cells full power kamehameha. We don't know his full power. He mightve lost almost half
We can't say half because that would essentially be SSJ. It was most likely between 10-15% after his brief training with Goten which was exasperated by his loss of fighting senses.
@@jamainegardner4193 he just came back. Like he said he was even more perfect at that point. There was really nothing stating that cell wasnt giving his all
You guys forgot to mention the point on how Gohan handled base Super Buu as easily as he did in SSJ2 form against Cell, with the backing of the Dabura-Cell power level statement, that would show how Gohan not only regained the power he lost but how *STRONGER* he got.
leloupgarou1000 that doesnt make any sense. Ssj2 is a 2x multiplier from ssj. Ssj gohan was weaker than cell. 40% of ssj2 gohan is even weaker than that
Every time they mentioned Goku training with Gohan before the Cell Games, I had that Steven Universe parody Team Four Star did go through my head... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-of5sshD9n7k.html *sigh* I'm still super freaking sad TFS is retiring Dragon Ball Z Abridged without doing the who Buu Saga. Lani talking got me super choked up and misty-eyed with the announcement video last night, and I don't cry about ANYTHING. But I get it, too... I've been there before myself, in other ways. When the grind starts taking the joy out of something you love, it's infinitely better to step away and retain the love.
I think it feels more magnified by the fact that the show instills us to expect a Saiyan to always be improving. So when compared to his past self he may only be a bit weaker yet it feels like a huge difference because in 7 years we would expect him to be insanely strong.
Chi Chi should be destroyed after his birth. That way he would never have stopped training, and trained a lot more gowing up. He would probably be Gohan Beast by 11
I agree, Gohan didn't really lose power. He just didn't continue to gain power at the same rate as Vegeta and Goku and they surpassed him. Gohan also holds himself back because of his lack of confidence and his mom forcing the normal life on him. He's conflicted and doesn't commit to being as powerful as he could be like other Saiyans do
He was technically stronger its just that the jump compared to if he was to continue to training rather than just flat out stopping. When Vegeta says he was weaker than he was back then I think he was implying that Vegeta has grown stronger than him gauging where he was and where he is suppose to be if he stayed on his training regime. Gohan didn't train a day of his life in the beginning of dragon ball z and still one shotted raditz. Gohan didn't loose any power, yeah sure probably rusty from not training. But the emense base power always stays with you. If we are implying gohan was stronger during the cell saga. Then I'm prrtty sure his power just became fauder with time. Transformations are flat multipliers, the stronger your base the stronger your transformation.
i still find it super hard to believe that vegeta and piccolo would allow him to get rusty/out of shape, you would think both would want to keep him training
I think the problem with Gohan is not actually his physical power, but that his mental state is all over the place. Gohan hates fighting, therefore his heart never actually was in it. Yes, he would ultimately do, what needs to be done, but in that sense he totally does not live up to his potential. His idea for life is in the end not, what his Father lives for.
The funny thing is I do think Teenage Gohan liked fighting more than Kid Gohan does but I do agree with you. I just think that added to his confusion. He didn't want to get angry against Debura because he wanted to fight like Goku. Videl of all people sort of brought out Gohan's love for fighting. Gohan enjoyed training Goten and Videl. I wished they would have continued more with that storyline. Gohan couldn't resist fighting crime so although he isn't obsessed with training like Goku he does like saving people and beating up bad guys.
He didnt get weaker lol its just that his rage boost was so fucking high. Dabura was equal to SPC and Gohan fought him in base form. But that was just daburas normal power his hidden power was even more. So that means SSJ2 Gohan Enraged >>>>True Power Dabura>=SSJ2 Adult Gohan>Base Gohan>Normal Dabura=SPC
