How Much Power Did Vegeta GAIN Between The Cell Saga and Buu Saga? 

It seemed to be implied that Vegeta was on par with 18. Problem was the ki and stamina drain on his body. She outlasted him. Dragon Ball was so much more interesting when Vegeta, Gohan, Goku and Piccolo took turns being strongest.

Enough power to stop Cell from reaching his Perfect form.

Vegeta's about as durable as the main villain's he's up against honestly.

Didn't Goku say that Vegeta trained for all seven years between arcs? He doesn't need to break his vow of never fighting again to continue training. Training for Vegeta is a hobby, a lifestyle.

I just don’t think that toriyama really thinks this logically into this stuff as he writes the stories. I think the logic of this just happened without it being the objective. Accidentally it makes sense. I doubt it was written to have hidden context

Figured his pre Majin SSJ2 (never bought the idea of Babidi giving him SSJ2) was stronger than Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan but weaker than SSJ2 Goku at the time

Vegeta was stronger than 18 but she wore him down with her infinite stamina

Vegeta shittalking Buu is the best. His pride is his the key to his toughness.

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I'm so thankful, as a Vegeta fan, that the Funimation dub pays a bit more respect to Vegeta in terms of where he was after 7 years of training and what Babidi did compared to the Manga: I know Gohan was the ultimate measure of potential but good Lord, it's been 7 years. Is Toriyama really expecting me to believe Vegeta didn't surpass his Ssj2 in 7 years of training? From 'Impressive, you're stronger than Gohan was when he fought Cell' to 'Well...at least you're stronger than your Son was against Cell.' I like that. It's subtle and it's dub exclusive but it puts a stamp on Vegeta exceeding Gohan who was the benchmark up to this point (before the craziness of Ssj3 and Mystic and Gotenks). And as I say, same as with Babidi, it retains Vegeta's integrity as a character and as a warrior when in the dub, he says 'Now, allow me to RESTORE your power to the way it was before you began resisting your dark nature'. Whereas in the Manga it really does Vegeta dirty with Babidi saying 'I'll release his hidden powers and allow him to overcome his limits' essentially confirming in the manga that Vegeta was way behind Goku even at Ssj2 let alone Ssj3. I definitely prefer the Anime for those little changes in Vegeta's favour. Small, but appreciated.

I don't think any of the characters are Mastered Super Saiyans anymore. After Cell, they no longer stay in their SSJ form. And as explained during that time, Mastered SSJ keeps the energy they would have used up initiating the transformation and negates the energy drain of SSJ. But we see in later fights that these characters can still get knocked out of SSJ, even though before, we saw Goku and Gohan sleeping as SSJs. So basically if they don't stay in the form, they lose the Mastered SSJ, just like if you stop working out, you lose strength and stamina.

Laughingstock media can please make a video of How much power did Vegeta gain between the Freeza Saga and Android Saga?

Interesting how Super Saiyan Grade 3 and Super Saiyan 3 both run into issues. Grade 3 having a power/speed instability issue and Super Saiyan 3 having a power conservation issue. Two forms Vegeta dismissed.

I thought Vegeta didnt achieve SS2 till he was taken over by Babidi, he see's Goku use it to kill Yakon and isn't that what makes him want the power boost from Babidi because Goku had achieved SS2 and he had not.

I don’t care what anyone says Vegeta won the first fight between him and Goku if it wasn’t for Gohan, Krillin, and Yajirobe It would’ve been a done deal for Goku.

Gohan, Trunks and Goten have hidden potential. They are half breeds..

Do goku next…he never used his full power until he fought kid buu so giving ppl a clearer look on that would b cool Oh nvm u already did

13:33 and on. it sounds so mess up the fact they might imagining slaughtering gohan in there image training.

Fairly new to your channel have enjoyed it so far. Here's a question why did Goku never wish his grandpa Gohan back or even Radiz. That is his brother and he spared Vagetta and look how that turned out. He would be a threat to no one and would be an interesting arch.

Picoro states that the power Goku showed in ssj form to Karim wasnt likely his full power and Vegeta heard this cooment and likely knew that too since he was in another league than Picoro now. So I dont think the Vegeta that came out for second time from the time chamber was half of Goku full power, likely was about 70% to 80% Goku ssj

Goku was already SSJ3 during BUU Saga so that is probably what Vegeta sensed

The Majin curse only removed his sentimental feelings. Made him ruthless.

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Well Debora was stated to be as strong as cell and they didn’t care and that was before Majin vegeta and ss2 is stated to be double

It would have been interesting to see when Trunks was killed and Vegeta went into a rage attack how well he would have don't vs regular Perfect Cell. Of course zero chance agaisnt "Super" Perfect as we saw. As for Grade 2 vs 3. The Final Flash was the best chance they had. Only Trunks and Trunks fan boys thought he surpassed Vegeta. As for retaining the Majin boost I see it as similar as the Guru power up. It unlocked some of Vegetas potential. If I remember the anime it seems that Babidi gave vegeta a two part spell. Majin symbol of control and potential unlock.

Will when u put it like that, damn it took vegeta 7 years to surpass handicap gohan.......For goku it probably took a shorter time and to top even that shesh that is rough. Also about the zenkai boost or majin boost thing, I see it as an effect of having a body while being dead. Its cause when goku had a body while being dead, he was able to retain super sayian 3 way longer as well as output more energy. This goes back to when goku fights kid buu in ssj3 while being alive but in like a couple of mins his already tired, his power is dropping fast etc asf. I believe that have being dead and a body just breaks the limitation of of one that is alive. Like again when vegeta is wished back and stalls kid buu its shows the limitation of being alive again (I think he even says it harder to fighting him like this). Theres also game references where if you give ur character the Halo item, their power usage is cut in half and you can perform more finishers but idk if that would be acceptable.

I think you need to take into account with ssj2 scaling is that Goku be dead during that saga... hence his body is more durable and his power is more higher and yeah he fought a more powerful opponent at the time aka Pikkon however he was also dead so if Pikkon came back he'd be weaker than ssj2 Vegeta and as for Goku when he comes back sure a zenkai boost it wouldn't be as powerful until u factor in ssj3.

They would have gone further even faster if they figured out how to make their back all tingly.

If Buu and Cell couldn't regenerate then Vegeta would have actually killed both of them. I think that's worth mentioning when considering how tough they were. Regeneration is kind of a cheat code.

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Is there a "what if Trunks and vegeta ACTUALLY trained together?" Like lose the pride and train instead of yelling at air

According to DBZ Kakarot, he changed his mind just a few days after the cell games. Based on the sub story with Gohan

Yeah Majin Vegeta did put up the BEST fight against Fat Buu (newly 'hatched' from the ball) until later when SS3 Goku fought him: -Gohan was given a Senzu by Goku, but he probably lost A LOT of ki during his energy barrage against the ball to stop Buu from hatching so he wouldn't have been at 100% when he tried to make his stand against the pink blob. Hell, he tried to flee before Buu knocked him into the ground -I don't think Dabura took much damage or lost much ki during his fight with Gohan on Stage 3. When Buu gouged out his eyes and kicked him into a cliff, I suppose Dabura was nearly at full power but was easily dispatched. Of course, he was heavily damaged when he reemerged to throw a spear through Buu's belly and fight before getting turned into a cookie -Shin was at 100% health/ki (lol like a video game character) when he fought Buu. However, you could tell the purple guy was scared to death and fighting out of desperation Crazy thing to remember about Buu's strength is that from the moment he hatched, his power CONSTANTLY kept growing as time went on. It was as if each fight listed above brought out more and more power. It was repeatedly mentioned that Buu's strength felt like a bottomless pit which is probably a result of being sealed away so long. So, the Fat Buu that fought SS3 Goku was WAY stronger than the Buu who fought Dabura, Majin Vegeta, Gohan and Shin. Heck, even Goku said that every time he powers up; Buu powers up as well! There was just no telling how high Fat Buu's strength could've gone!

"for you see, Gohan. You're not dealing with the average Saiyan anymore..."

Vegeta would've made sure to surpass Gohan's power during the Cell Games. This is Vegeta we're talking about. He won't accept being 2nd best.

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What I find interesting about the Cell Games is that Vegeta got the kind of emotional boost that should have pushed him across the barrier to SSJ2, but he didn't. To me, this means there's a clear delineation between Vegeta's power and Gohan's. Of course, we don't know if a similar rage would have pushed Goku over the edge or not at that point.

Vegeta was stronger than max Gohan against cell....the writers said it multiple times ....

My true theory of Fat Buus strength in why he can get his ass kicked by Vegeta and then has the power to surprise SS3 Goku is because he never needs to really put up a defense and can put all of his ki into offense. Goku and Vegeta don't have that luxury. It cost any Buu little to zero ki and stamina to regenerate they don't need to bolster any defenses that help protect them agaisnt ki blast.

The best part of this is that I think Vegeta did the opposite of Goku, his own way. When he went into the chamber, I think instead of staying in SSJ form the whole time, he trained at base form which made him stronger than Goku’s Base form. This later shows in DB Super.

Injured or not Gohan was still way stronger than super perfect cell he just lost his confidence and that drained his key if he was never scared and never lost confidence he would have blown cell phone f with one hand without help

You guys make a great point about Gohan being weakened in his final moments against Cell. I often wonder just how powerful Gohan's max was at that time.

Easy answer: Vegeta himself stated that he was impressed that Goku had ALSO surpassed ssj 2 Gohan from the Cell Saga referring to himself. Edit: It's a shame that Gohan actually got weaker/rusty due to his lack of training/scholar life in that time of peace which is why Vegeta was disappointed and frustrated with Gohan when he was fighting Dabura.

I feel like Vegeta kept his Majin boost, but not because of a Zenkai Boost. He was revived ONLY to take out Majin Buu, so when he came back, King Yama probably made sure his body was at its peak in order to win.

The part where ssj2 Gohan wanted Cell to suffer and when ssj Goku wanted to defeat Frieza in his 100%, I think that for a short time that a part of their savage Saiyan warrior gens was activated because they behaved like the old saiyan warriors who wanted to show domination over their opponent.

The only reason goku lost the 19 fight is because the virus he had

I believe Vegeta’s majin boost made him go past SS2 the only reason Goku could keep up but still be beat for most of the fight was cause he did have the amount of energy capable to turn SS3

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I mean if Gohan trained the entire time he probably would have been stronger than even Goku at ssj3 even at ssj2.

That guy used to train nonstop and he still couldn't beat Goku. I felt bad for him.

Majin Vegeta might just be my favourite arc in DBZ period

When Vegeta gave up fighting I bet it was Bulma who knocked the sense back into him

Well I know for one thing Buu saga Vegeta is my favorite. He definitely wasn't going down easily like he did in Cell Saga. When he fought Kid Buu he was like fuck this I'm not staying down!

Enough to Already be a Super Saiyan 2 prior to the Buu Saga

“He was never able to defeat Goku the way that he wanted to” Translation: Kill him. That’s how he wanted to as stated before his fight with 19

Let’s be real we all miss teen gohan, and the fact that he is so badass that we didn’t see his full potential, then it’s just crazy idk.

Its pretty likely that Vegeta's training picked back up because of Trunks. I can easily imagine a scenario where Trunks asks his dad to teach him to fight.

Its in his blood not to stop training.. But he didn't have to train hard. Plus he was training trunks.. And he got more serious when he knew goku was coming.. He probably took at least 2 years off. Also don't forget during the bojack series trunk let it know that vegeta waant training.

He could have been saying "he passed the wall too" in reference to goku having passed it as well as gohan. Of course we all know that, but in the video that is stated as evidence that vegeta was already ss2. I think he was already ss2 as well... just do not think that particular comment is 100% evidence.

Laughing stock media: how much power did vegeta gain? Me: Enough to stop waiting on goku

If you wanna add the Bojack Movie even tho it's Not Cannon to the actual story arc I would say that's what Motivated Vegeta to go back to Training because in that Movie Bojak beat the hell outta him lol

He would have trained regardless, but the drop in motivation likely helped him recover from a lifetime of overtraining. Compare that to Goku who has phases in his life where he trains and reaches a new level, and other periods where he just lives his life. Those off periods are never very long but always long enough for him to recover.

Its been a while since I've watched anything post Cell Saga but I think young Trunks going Super Saiyan for the first time is what reignited his Saiyan Pride.

I think we should acknowledge vegeta trains as a saiyan so he trains till he can’t anymore and Goku trains as a martial artist so always improving his technique and his body, understanding what he needs to improve and work on

Vegeta when he’s about to fight Goku SSJ 2 mocks him saying at least Goku is stronger than his son when he was fighting cell. So we know that he was at least a fair bit stronger than SSJ 2 Gohan from cell games (otherwise why would he mock Goku that way). I also don’t think going Majin gave him a power boost, I think it just got rid of whatever shred of humanity he had picked up living on earth, restoring his ruthlessness.

I think Vegita just did lighter training to keep his body maintained. It’s likely that he was slowly building up his endurance and really pushed himself upon hearing about Goku’s revisit.

After getting Super Saiyan God for the first time, Goku got an increase in power because his body basically learned how to go to that level which helped him break through his previous limit. Something similar could have happened with Majin Vegeta where simply getting to that level of power once helped inform his body on how to reach it again.

I have always believed that leading up to the Majin boost Vegetas issue was not that he wasn't in the ballpark of Gokus power level but that he was struggling with his mental state, a change in character. Since the arrival of the androids, he's been increasingly struggling with his new identity as a protector and father. I seem to remember android 20 commenting on Vegeta being unfocused. During the cell Saga, he now comes into a power level where he could casually destroy the earth, or at least that point is repeatedly made that an accidental shot could cause that. He's gone from fighting with everything he has to annihilate his opponents to having to hold back and question himself. Goku doesn't have to do that to fill this role. He prefers to fight calm and we see this with their Ultra transformations in super. I think what we see is him using the Majin transformation to remove his self imposed doubt and limits, to let him bring his full strength to bare and when he fights buu, I think we see him learning to finally accept his limits and change his priorities by fighting the seal itself.

Had vegeta and trunks trained together like goku and gohan in the cell saga. No doubt vegeta would have gone ssj2 and trunks as well cause both would have found a common element to use to get stronger.

Definitely don’t forget that Gohan was scared and holding back even during the beam struggle. Even if Cell wasn’t distracted by Vegeta, he might have had enough power to take him down anyway, and this is with him saying he was already at half Ki from the injury. Gohan was afraid of destroying things on accident. Goku tells him that he hasn’t used up all his power and confirms that he’s holding back because he’s afraid of destroying Earth. He tells Gohan to let it go and the dragon balls can fix anything he does. I think the manga does this scene better IMO because it feels like what happens isn’t that Vegeta distracts Cell. Rather, the manga shows Cell is toying with Gohan a bit before using his full power which would have obliterated him instantly. Gohan and Goku are having the argument that Gohan is holding back. Right when Goku tells Gohan it’s okay to destroy the Earth as long as they have access to dragon balls (I’m assuming they’d come up with a plan to use Namek’s), Cell tells him “Goodbye” like he’s just about to blow him to pieces before Gohan is really ready to go all out. At that exact second, Vegeta blasts Cell in the head. It doesn’t seem to weaken Cell at all, it’s just that it surprises him for the extra split second for Gohan to be persuaded to go all in before Cell used his full power first while Gohan was still afraid. Further, I think the fact that even a half powered Gohan was stronger than Cell is supported by the fact that Cell just stood there and took the beam with a surprised look on his face. Gohan was not able to dodge the attack from Cell because it was designed to wipe out the entire solar system, but there’s no reason why Cell wouldn’t have been able to dodge Gohan even if Gohan’s attack would do the same. He wasn’t physically impaired in anyway like Gohan was as well. I think that indicates the fact that he literally could not dodge the attack. Crazy to think what Gohan could have done at his full power back then.

Vegeta got ridiculously strong during the cell saga that he let cell get stronger cause he wanted a challenge

I really don't believe ssj3 goku could have killed fat buu. I think people keep forgetting that fat buu was merged with several kias and evil buu.

puh, his power level is probably over 9000 now

All respect to vegeta for sticking to it and catching up, at least he didn’t let himself go and became fat.

I do think he trained with no breaks for the time skip because of comments like. "Gohan has gotten soft in this time of peace. He's no warrior". Which implies he continued training even with no goal.

After Vegeta saw Super Saiyajin Goku use his 50% of his full power he decided to surpass that "top" Goku showed, for me Vegeta after using for a second time the Time Chamber got to around 70 to 75% of Super Saiyajin Goku´s full power, that is the middle between the already shown power by Goku, but clearly weaker than his full power that he use to fight Cell Now in the Buu saga after 7 years of constant training, Vegeta already had seen Super Saiyajin 2 Gohan against Super Perfect Cell, so he knew how powerfull they were (as the where the two most powerfull fighters of that time), so believing that Vegeta did not try to achive that power is ilogic concidering how is the personality of Vegeta In conclusion, Vegeta at the Cell games had a power around 70 to 75% of Super Saiyajin Goku, and after the 7 years of training he got AT LEAST as powerfull as Super Saiyajin 2 Gohan

Also he did *kinda* quit fighting because there was no one to actually fight since he wasn’t involved in an army like the Saiyan saga going around conquering planets. He still trained to keep in shape I guess as he did as a kid against saibamen as seen in the Bardock Special so that most likely naturally increased his power.

I think you can pinpoint his training to his knowledge and realization of the birth of Goten. He found new purpose of his son rivaling the power of the spitting image of Goku.

I present you guys facts....If Vegeta and Goku trained together in the hyperbolic chamber rather than train with their sons Cell would have been annihilated.

How much power did vegeta gain between the cell saga and the buu saga? Me: OVER 9000

I always figured Vegeta at the beginning of the Buu Saga was about even with the power SSJ2 Gohan had against Cell. That’s how ridiculously powerful Gohan was, that it took Vegeta nearly 7 years of intense training to catch up! Obviously Gohan however had gotten much weaker in that time. But Goku had stayed ahead of Vegeta. Because Goku could go SSJ3, his power at SSJ2 was more than Vegeta’s was. That’s when Vegeta decided to start making comments that would get Babidi’s attention and he’d get the Majin Boost to close the gap.

He became stronger than ssj2 gohan and super perfect cell

I don't know why it is or ever was a debate of whether Vegeta turned SSJ2 on his own or through the Majin Boost. Do people even realize how long 7 years is? That's from 2015 to now. So you're telling me that someone of Vegeta's caliber trained from the month The Witcher 3 released all the way until the time I'm typing this comment...and is still stranded in SSJ1?? That would be an incredible insult to his character. That along with how relatively easy he shifted into the form as if he had down it already and was already accustomed to it shows he had already unlocked it long before the Majin Boost.

The gap I have between Pre Majin Vegeta and Cell Games Gohan is the same gap I have between Pre RoSaT Goku and Vegeta in the Artificial Human arc. During the Cell Games I have Goku 30% stronger than Vegeta, and I have that same gap between Pre Majin Vegeta and Boo arc Goku. Since Vegeta was so desperate that he needed Babidi just to catch up to Goku, clearly showing he couldn't tactics and his skill to make up for the gap. But that's just me.

It didnt show vegeta or trunks constantly being in super saiyian form either. I dont think after cell vegeta took any time off. If anything seeing gohans power made him see what was possible. When isn't he training since seeing a ssj.

How much power did Vegeta gain while training with Bulma? Vegeta: Yes.

I must admit these constant powerups and transformations that Goku and Vegeta keep getting in the Dragonball series I am tiring of. Also this constant hate Vegeta has for Goku and this wanting to surpass Goku in strength I'm also tiring of. At least at the end of Z it seems that they do get along better. In Super it seems to me at least that Vegeta doesn't get along well with Goku at all and only fights with him when he feels like it or when it's necessary for the plot to advance further.

What everyone forgets is that when a Dragonball character boasts about surpassing another, it's usually only by a difference of like 10-1000 in the Battle Power scale. Especially if they're only going off memory and not feats.

I feel that Vegeta was still training during the 7 year skip but once he surpassed Gohan he had no Goku around that would've kept striving to be the strongest. You have to remember that after goku died, Gohan focused more on becoming a scholar. So he never tried to surpass Vegeta.

I think at the 15:20 mark when Vegeta says to himself that "Goku passed the Super Saiyan wall, too"; He could be referring to Gohan and not himself.

SSJ2 gohan When fighting against cell is stronger then Vegeta. from a small rage boost gohan went from A power level of 10 all the way up to 700 which means he would be 70 times stronger then a theoretic normal ssj2 teen gohan.

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Vegeta got screwed during the Cell saga... how was he weaker than a Cell Jr despite two trips to the Time Chamber?!? Toriyama got that wrong

Maybe he went from a power level of like 2 to like a 3.1

“So. Kackarott passed the super Saiyan wall too.” Too = gohan. Obviously.

You can't be serious yes Vegeta got retained the power that babidi gave him.

Up until the Tournament, Gohan back in the Cell Games was the strongest being Vegeta had witnessed, so his aim was to stronger than that. Same thing happened when he saw Goku and Trunks 3 years before the Androids. Those were the benchmarks he had to overcome. But since he was partly training Kid Trunks during the 7 years, he wasn't able to more cleanly surpass Gohan. Not until Babidi's magic.

Gohan and Trunks should of went in to the hyperbolic time chamber after Goku and Gohan first used it. Trunks would of caught up in strength to Gohan, and Gohan may or may not have achieved SSJ2 in a way that he could of controlled. Obviously he achieved it briefly with Goku, and he wouldn’t be on the same level during the Cell fight. I understand why Goku and Vegeta wouldn’t train together at this time, but the 2 half sayians would have been more willing to learn from each other.

I always thought he surpassed Gohan's ssj 2 and used babidis power to put his ssj 2 with Kakarot's

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