I think what makes me watch Vox over and over is the casual tone of the narrator, mixed with the ultra-professional editing and information presentation. Not editing out the "uhh's" and making it sound like you're just having a typical conversation on the topic is something I really like. Anyway, that's my random thought that I felt like sharing. Have a good one.
+Cubeologist I think you are on to something. I've always had the sense the the presenters/journalists are interested in the story themselves and are just telling people about what they've found out. Future of news
I go to a school in the southeast of the US (a very religious area.) I'm NOT a creationist btw. I like to keep this to myself because, if I said I wasn't a creationist I would get bullied very badly. While we were talking about The Call of the Wild, one of our summer reading assignments, in English class, I said "humans don't like to think of ourselves as animals but we are." Now everyone at my school hates me because I said a basic scientific fact.
+Person Person Sorry to hear that, man. Do you ever mention that creationism is actually a super recent development in Christianity. That like, pretty much no educated theologians have taken seriously since Medieval times? It was invented in the U.S. more recently than Mormonism :P
+Person Person In the west coast its the opposite. You even casually mention your a creationist and you will get bullied beyond belief, and if you mention anything that even slightly contradicts the 100% accuracy of the theory of evolution people will fucking attack you. Just goes to show you that humans everywhere have the capacity to be assholes. (If it means anything, I'm an evolutionist, but I also beleave in freedom of belief and opinion with out harassment)
Sorry you are surrounded by fundys. A lot of denominations of Christianity see the creation story for what it is, a folk tale with lots of puns in the original Hebrew! A good way to explain a better way of looking at the creation story is that it's the baby Spark Notes version of evolution for an ancient people who could not possibly wrap their minds around what we know as creation/evolution today. Another good argument to use is that it's a bit hubris to say God could not have created via evolution, that to dismiss it is to dismiss God's power.
We are animals, just a bit smarter than the other animals. We all came from the same thing in the beginning, and we all went through evolution and changed in different ways.
I've never thought I have claustrophobia, but looking at that footage of the tiny cave and the cavers made me feel anxious. I'm sure they have great techniques and a good team to help them at all times, but still I imagine it ending up like in 127 Hours, except in darkness and your whole body stuck. I wonder what they'd do if they encountered some small animals, like snakes, or lots of insects, in that tiny space. I guess there's a reason they're professionals.
Yo, what the fuck are you made of that allows you to be able to crawl through TINY ASS LITTLE CRACKS in rocks 50 feet underground and not go fucking insane with claustrophobia? That shit is amazing.
+Avi Bryan (אבי בריין) Most of the real, substantial arguments about whether or not supernatural beings exist are carried out in philosophy, rather than in disputing science and fact. People who try to dispute facts are just delusional.
Iconoclasm_ Exactly, one of the most cringe-worthy thing I have ever heard was the big bang vs. 7 days of creation debate. There was no unit of time measurement back then, therefore days were not concrete measurements. The big bang fits so perfectly into the bible's story in the same order of events. How do people even debate these things?
luf4rall How so? Both theories (big bang and evolution) are so easily and perfectly reconcilable to the bible. I am generally interested in what possible challenges there are to that idea. I'm not trying to "internet fist fight," so please don't take it that way.
Avi Bryan The big bang and evolution(, theory of) are scientific theories that hold that pass scientific scrutiny and as such have no moral baggage attached. The Bible is the equivalent to Aesop's fables and Grimm's Fairytales.
+Ab Sir Nah this was after god built the world, don't you know they lived with dinosaurs? We don't know how to tell the age of the bones are anyway, many people prayed to god to send them a letter that says how old bones are that were found in the past, but it never happened. So it's really no question here, the bones can't be older than 2000-3000 years, no way.
I object to the women who excavated the sight being referred to simply as 'cavers', as they were chosen for their experience in the scientific field and their ability to fit in small spaces. Not giving these women due credit is saddening - they took extreme precautions in their work, including removing their shoes so as not to crush any bones or other potentially important artifacts.
How they were delibaretedly disposed there? so tiny passages, without light? how they found the way out of the cave? It seems that they entered the cave, maybe escaping from predators, and couldn't find the way out and died downthere. There's no other animal bones as usually is found, when hominids are found. Is not that I'm refusing to think they were able to ''think in bury'' someone, but the place is not the better IMO. They were tiny enought to fit, yeah, but in that pitchblack environment? Please.
If it was millions of years ago, maybe the cave, the environment changed. A collapsing could have happened? About the animal found, if they were conscious about burying their deads, it means they cared for them and therefore this part of the cave was as special one, apart from the place they were living maybe? I really don't know, i'm far away from being an expert
What have we learned today? If you want to be an archeologist, make sure you're extremely skinny and no part of your body is bigger in circumference than 8"
Why would it be such a big deal that Humans practice intentional burial at a earlier stage, other animals do it too, Elephants and all practice such things.
Burial is a sign of a very advanced societal structure. It shows that the members of the society cared about one another in a complex way, and really understood death and loss. Elephants have some of the most complex societies we've ever observed outside our own species, and burial is evidence of that. Also, the fact that our ancestors may have done it so, so much earlier than we though is interesting because between the time of these newly discovered fossils and the time when we used to think our ancestors first started burying their dead, we have no other evidence of similar practices, so it looks like this may be a trait that multiple lines of human ancestors developed independently from one another. Learning what our prehistoric ancestors were like and how they interacted with each other can tell us a lot about ourselves, and even if it doesn't, it's still pretty cool. This is the sort of thing anthropologists geek out over.
it shows the ability to think symbolically. Although it wasn't including in here, and I can't find it with a google search, the PBS NOVA documentary Becoming Human said that there was also a single, large, beautifully crafted hand-axe carved from a rare, precious stone. This adds on to the idea that their society used symbols.
For whatever reason I find the "uptalk" on these videos to be mildly irritating, for different subject matters it can make an argument presented seem weak or toothless.
This material is a source of creativity and innovation. A book I read with comparable themes guided my personal evolution. "Temporal Echoes: Amelia's Odyssey Through Ancestral Shadows" by Vivian Rosewood
+RAIN ........... there is NO GOD. you are just a gullible weak person who needs a crutch to lean on. your fictitious god is your crutch. the bible is fiction. nothing was written about jesus until 300ad. religion is just CONTROL through the use of FEAR. science can be repeated to prove theories. religion merely controls weak people - GROW UP!
Why the fuck would they go through crevices giving you just 8in of space just to dump a body? Pretty sure one of them would a said fuck it no light to small an area I'm out Wouldn't they ?
Maybe when they did this the opening was bigger the earth has changed a lot since the beginning at one point in time all the land masses were connected
TheMCPEGamer good theory although I'm not sure how it would've gotten bigger. The distances between the land masses got larger but how would certain parts of a continent such as this cave be affected. Somebody get a geologist on this shit lol
Oh I don't think they were buried. Entered the cave for reasons (protection, curiosity, etc.), and died because they hadn't light to see their way out. Even for modern people with hi tech equipments is difficult, and imagine carry a corpse to bury? in those tiny passages? They were stuck in the cave and died in the dark.
Such an exciting discovery. I wonder what happened to the species. Did they all evolve into what ended up being us? Were there other species to descend from them who are also now extinct? How intelligent were they, did they use tools, have a complex social structure. So many questions we may never have answers to
Can you do something on chem trails and cancer causing vaccines? because i keep reading alot of comments on theories like that and it just seems like a bunch of people in the looney bin.
Just one more piece in a list thousands of items long to shut down the Creation Museum for good. C'mon people! Just because we've been around for 10's or even 100's of thousands of years doesn't mean there is no God. It just means it ain't your God.
that team of tiny females cavers haha, go them! i never rly thought about it but i guess caving and archeology are areas where women might in some cases have a natural advantage!
How long after this did God created man ?................................................................................................,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
+A Scam Involving Corndogs I'd say the closest to a fact you can get is fact itself. For example, while on Earth, if I were to drop my phone, it would fall to the ground because of gravity, that's far more factual than assuming the origins of our species.
haha, when I see things like this I laugh. they have no idea what these things are, no idea how old they are, and all the faces we see on this cgi stuff is just assumption! They instantly said "human relative!" Oh man, how dumb we've gotten as a species. people will believe anything anymore. tell a big enough lie long enough, the more will believe!
The "female cavers" were actually all female scientists who were instrumental in this find, c'mon Vox. Also for anyone who is unaware of how incredible this find is - it's usually a pretty big deal if a single molar of an already known species is found. This find expanded the number of pre-human fossils currently on record by an enormous amount.
