Undertale's Timeline Misconceptions | Fandom Mandela Effect 

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Common misconception is that Papyrus hates jokes. Papyrus is seen in-game making jokes, so he isn't mad at the jokes, he's mad at Sans for slacking.

One of the strongest piece of evidence as to why frisk fell in the far future and not in 2010s is from the flavor text for the toy knife found the ruins: "Made of plastic. A rarity nowadays." This implies that whatever time period Frisk fell down in is so far off into the future that plastic is considered an irrelevant piece of technology from the past that is pretty rare to find in Frisk's times. Compared this to modern day where plastics are a big part of our modern technology. Kinda surprised that people often miss this.

Part of it might be people being in denial that Undertale takes place *way* in the future, and thus try to make the Asriel and Chara backstory stuff take place in the past. It's probably to make the story seem more "relatable" by having Frisk's adventure take place in modern times. I see monster tech being a mix of slavaged human tech and their own inventions. Anyway, great work, as usual! Keep it up!

Sans describes the way Toriel laughed at his joke for the first time "as if it was the funniest thing she's heard in a hundred years", and Sans is known to be very perceptive so it could mean Toriel did go off to the Ruins a hundred years before they met, which wasn't long before Frisk fell.

I'm aware of a massive Mandela effect in the community. This would be the existence of the void. So many people reference the void as being the place gaster currently resides, but there is actually no mention of this said void in undertale or Deltarune

I think the problem comes from the fact that the use of the term village isn’t one with modern connotations in American culture. Even though villages exist the pop culture medieval village is what comes to most people’s minds when they think about a village, Unlike other areas of the world like Europe and Asia where villages are just descriptors for small settlements. If Toby just called the settlement a town it would’ve cleared up alot of confusion.

One interesting question that arrises from all this timeline theorizing is, *why* was Chara, in 201X, the first human to fall? What I mean is, after the Barrier is broken, Catty and Bratty mention "millennia of imprisonment" being over, meaning that monsters had been trapped underground for at least 2000 years. So either no humans at all fell for around 1900 years before eight suddenly fell within a single century, or Frisk fell way, *way* further in the future than any of us are assuming. Both have their own bizarre implications. If the former is true, perhaps Asriel's emergence caused urban legends that attracted more tourists to the mountain, which led to a much higher rate of fallen children?

If Chara and Asriel died in ancient times then how does Chara have an at least wool, very manufactured looking striped shirt huh? Checkmate theorists.

I believe there's a misconception about when and where each human died. There seems to be a common belief that the other humans were killed in the locations where we find their armors and weapons. For example, it's believed that the human that possessed Patience somehow died in the Ruins. However, I'm almost positive that I found something else that they left behind: some writing that reads "I cannot run, I cannot fight. But with PATIENCE, I will find my way." This message was found in the Core, and it stands out to me because all the other messages give directions on where to go to find what. There's no doubt that those other messages were written by the monsters. However, I believe that particular message was written by a human. It's likely that this human was passing through while the Core was being built, and whoever was in charge (likely Gaster) allowed them to leave their mark. Also, there's a Tweet from Toby Fox saying that the humans were unable to get *past* Asgore, not *to* him (not sure how to get the source). This implies that at least one made it all the way through the Underground and fought him, but failed to defeat him.

I know for the backstory of a long going RP I had with my friends we made it so that the year Chara fell was the year Undertale released 2015. We then had another human fall roughly every 17 years ending with Frisk's fall in the year 2134. So for our AU/timeline Asriel's death was 119 years ago.

Great video! Here’s some of my thoughts: 1.) One piece of evidence that further suggest that UNDERTALE takes place around 100 years after 201X is that when Sans tells the story about how he met Toriel, he states that she laughed at one of his jokes “like it’s the best joke she’s heard in a hundred years.” While initially this may seem like mere hyperbole, when combined with the rest of the evidence you presented, as well as Sans’ general perceptiveness, it lends credence to the notion that UNDERTALE takes place some time in 211X. 2.) Considering that the Waterfall statue resembles a boss monster and plays Memory when you give it an umbrella, I think it’s likely that it-like the Royal Memorial Fountain-is meant to commemorate the death of Asriel and Chara. The statue could simply be an unofficial and independently constructed memorial, made by an anonymous resident of Waterfall. Overall, good research, and I look forward to the next video that you put out.

3:06 Considering how superstitious people can be, it makes sense that hundreds of years would have had to pass before anyone even gets near the mountain willingly...

Speaking of the memorial fountain in Hotland, something I find interesting is that Mettaton only changed it a week ago, which means that those coming through would have likely seen it in its prior form. Granted we're never told what the memorial looked like before, so maybe it wasn't actually a statue built in Asriel and Chara's image, as those like Catty and Bratty who likely have been through the MTT Resort a lot would have likely seen the fountain in its original state and they still don't recognize humans on sight. If it was built in their likenesses, perhaps it fell into a state of disrepair and became unrecognizable as the years went by? Lots of room for interpretations there.

Honestly, one of the most confusing things to me is that Imprisonment to Chara seems like several centuries or millennia, while Chara to Frisk is a somewhat shorter timespan. This would suggest a long period of no humans falling, followed by relatively frequent falling humans. I dunno.

Thank you for making this video! There’s A LOT of Mandela effects in the undertale community such as the supposed void that Gaster is trapped in never being mentioned AT ALL in both undertale and deltarune. I also like how you mentioned that all the other human souls could save and reset just like the player and frisk but simply gave up as a lot of fans seem to forget that Frisk/the player/Flowey aren’t the only ones with that power. Overall you did great explaining the misconceptions in the undertale fandom and I think this’ll help clear up a lot of confusion!

I say for AUs, the timeline of events can be modified as long as everything still makes sense and feels coherent. Now this is the game’s canon however and I don’t blame anybody who got roped into the timeline misconceptions. After all and as Dorked mentioned here, the crucial details to piece somewhat of a timeline together with, exist in optional phone calls, individual object lines or even misdirecting, intended or not.

You wouldn't believe how shocked I was, when I realized that the intro cutscene gave a specific date. I forgot about it the moment I saw it and just assumed that Chara lived in some medieval ages or something and Frisk fell to the Underground in modern times. I imagined that monsters were so ahead with technology, they had VHS and phones long before humans and that's why they had something like Mettaton in the game. I actually thought it was cool concept xd Also, I wrote that above before watching. You guessed 50-100 years. I always thought that the amount of time that was needed for 8 different humans to fall to the Underground has to be Gigantic. I mean, how could a thing like that occur in a relatively short amount of time? What is the chance? Humans' police would surely remember those accidents and would try to investigate the mountain, connect the dots. That's why I always thought each human could fall down the mountain in a different century at least. Now I get why so many people are confused about this timeline, it's really nice you made this video

I tend to remember the gap between Chara’s 201X fall and Frisk’s, but it often slips my mind that the pacifist credits show a somewhat contemporary looking human city. It’s not a cyberpunk techno-city or post-apocalyptic, but my brain keeps going that direction.

For an Undertale Mandela Effect, I'm not sure it qualifies but it certainly makes me think about how KR standing for Karmic Retribution is an entirely fanmade idea, not one based in canon at all. Yet it seems to have become so widespread that people would talk about it like it's completely true. I'm still not sure we have a definitive answer on KR, only that it's possibly short for just the word KARMA based on battle text.

I live in a village, it's weird to me that people think they're just a thing of the past.

Great video! I also think its relevant the fact that no monster besides Asgore or Gerson even knew who Toriel was. Only Sans after meeting her through the ruins door. Also, during the date with Sans, he tells that when he first told a joke to Toriel, she laughed so hard, as it was the first joke she heard in 100 years.

You know, I never really thought about each human soul having a single save file before, but that does explain the numbered save files in the Flowey fight. Makes me wonder if there's some meaning to the way we have access to *three* in Deltarune. (Of course, it could just be different "physics" in that world or even... non-subversive game design)

One thing about the timeline that always confused me is whether or not Asgore and Toriel were alive during the human and monster war. Part of me thinks that they weren't, because in the Winter Alarm Clock dialogue, Asgore mentions that he met Rudy at "Hotland University," and naturally I would assume that he was relatively young when he attended university. And, it's obvious that it was in the Underground, after the war, because it's in Hotland. One thing that might be possible is that Asgore was really young during the war. Either that, or he wasn't alive yet. I also would doubt that hundreds of years passed since Asriel's death, because Asgore also says that "Rudy's daughters get to grow up in the sunlight," meaning that they are still young. I don't know how canon the alarm clock dialogue is, but I just thought that it was worth mentioning, lol. Anyone have any opinions on this?

I would recommand maybe checking the missconception of the community about Chara, Frisk and the player in Undertale, what are their seperate roles especially in the genocide timeline To this day I'm not sure on what's canon or fanon anymore because of all the fan stuff convering this subject Just an idea ! Very good video keep going Dorked :) Also I still believe humans could have killed Asriel with very rusty weapons after all, all countries don't have lethal weapons like guns allowed so in a little village people like farmers could protect themselves with this kind of weapon, just what they have

Another reason people see Undertale as taking place in modern times is the surface in the credits sequence not looking too different from modern times, to the point where matpat infamously claimed it was the world of earthbound. While obviously not the case, it’s possible it was inspired by earthbound, to an extent. Granted, we don’t know exactly how much technology would improve in 50-100 years from now, and it’s not implausible for it to improve in more subtle ways.

Joke Theory to resolve people's problem of how the surface looks in the pacifist ending: time in the underground flows differently than it does on the surface. Hundreds of years in the underground amount to only a few decades at most on the surface. If you wanna get real crazy with it, who's to say the order of the humans falling in the underground had to have actually happened on the surface linearly? Maybe some of the humans did fall down 'before' Chara but didn't arrive until 'after' them because of time-space nonsense. I mean, time-space is already weird in the Underground due to human's ability to reset in it, and you can see it breaking down in a way with in the true lab. So why not push that further?

A very informative video! It's always been fun for me to imagine that undertale takes place in the future, with a surface with various technological advances (not too futuristic, since I don't like the idea of ​​monsters encountering a world full of flying cars and holograms xD ).I still think humans would be stunned by alphys dimensional boxes tho. Also, bratty and catty say that it's been thousands of years since the monsters were locked, which could be an exaggeration on their part or that, in fact, that's the accurate time. In that case, poor Asgore and Toriel, they had to wait so long to settle down and have their child...

Ik you probably get this alot but I wanted to tell you that I really love listening to your thoughts on these games (KH included). The amount of story and lore throughout all of these series is just awesome and I love how much the creators can get our imaginations racing with their worlds.

The description for the toy knife is: "Made of plastic. A rarity nowadays." which seems to suggest humanity has or is running out of oil.

Even if some of them did spawn some neat fan-art over the years, Its good to see someone get around to clearing up some of the timeline misconceptions! This is overall, a very helpful video!- Though, my reasons for finding it as such, may be diferent than someone else's. Thank you for this video, Dorked! ^^ Hopefully this comment is long enough to help ya with that pesky algorithm!

Honestly in my fanfics I wrote that Asriel and Chara died in the past (maybe roughly in the 1920s) bc I had a harder time imagining Human civilization lasting another century without imploding than the concept of magical creatures lol.

One thing about Deltarune is that, with a few odd exceptions like Asriel and Snowdrake, Deltarune seems to have been deliberately set up as looking like a sequel to Undertale that takes place several years after the true pacifist route. With monster kid being older, and Kris resembling an older frisk and all. Granted this is done as a deliberate red herring until we realize the subtle differences between Undertale, like Alphys liking mew mew kissy 2, lack of magic use in the light world, and sans not recognizing us. But I wonder if this is done for more than just a red herring, as characters from Deltarune are implied to exist in the Undertale universe as well, like Suzy (assuming it’s supposed to be Susie), and Noelle. So there’s definitely a connection between the universes, we just don’t have enough information to tell exactly how. Also, the Manuel is unused, and it’s from a rather early stage of development, given it references cut mechanics. But Toby mentioned he’s not sure if it’s still canon or not, although a similar drawing to the Manuel cover is seen if you brutally cut open a Ralsei plush. And it’s possible Ralsei got the date wrong, or made the Manuel a while ago.

When Sans talks about meeting Toriel and telling her jokes, he remarks that she laughed "like it's the best joke she's heard in a hundred years." Not definitive of course, but Sans tends to be quite perceptive, and it lines up with the Papyrus date.

This was very informative for Undertale. I know a lot more about deltarune as I primarily became a big fan with that game. So it’s good to learn more about Undertale. The timeline is very hard to pin down due to the minimal info we are given and the Chara, Frisk twist.

I also think that bows and arrows are much more "romantic" than guns. It's also easier to represent arrows than bullet wounds, in a visual/fanart sense.

Gonna just leave a little comment for the Algorithmic purposes. Good to see more misconceptions and non canon interpretations being cleared up! Great video as usual Looking forward to seeing both the Ven and Asgore analysis. When it releases!

One thing to remember too is that when backtracking in true pacifist, Gerson mention that Asgore (and Toriel) as boss monsters only age as long as they have a child, and since then he have been stuck at the same age and would outlive any adoptive child. Between this and the "first time in a hundreds years" comment from Sans, and the winter alarm clock where Asgore comment having lived through Rudy getting a wife then children, and that on his death-bed Rudy was commenting about now being older than Asgore, it lengthen a lot of the timeline and we can really wonder if Asgore was already king during the war. Not to mention the construction of New Home, who is a crowded Capital, started after the first fallen's fall (since it's outright said in Asriel's story taled by monsters that they fell in the ruins).

I made a post on my tumblr recently about how weird it is that the fandom thinks Chara's personality is a sassy little shit who swears and screams a lot and calls everyone 'idiot' like Flowey, when No Mercy narration paints them as being more cold, distant, and direct. If you have any further thoughts on that or things I missed, I'd be very interested to see a video on that subject

Yes it’s 2024 > 201X but the first human it could’ve been but at earliest somewhere around 1926~ because that was when was colored sweaters were made I’m pretty sure

Speaking of timelines, what do people think of the idea that the events of Undertale take place over one day? The time spent at Home is indeterminate, but you get to spend lunch with Sans, go on an afternoon TV show, spend "dinner" with Sans, see twilight shining through the barrier, and then finally leave the underground at sunrise. Dunno if this is a common idea or not, I thought it up but never asked others about it.

Another really great video! Personally when I first got into the Undertale fandom, and saw all this content with Asriel being shot with arrows at some point in the old times, I first regarded it as canon. But eventually, I started thinking about it more and more and realized that him dying during this time genuinely makes no sense. The Dreemurr family recorded videos on a camera during Asriel and Chara's childhood together, as you talked about, and that was what finally caused me to think about if this piece of fanon even makes sense. I didn't even know about the calendar in genocide, but just the pure fact that the Dreemurr family tapes exist made me reconsider the idea that Asriel died so long ago and not somewhere in the 2010's.

For a while, I was unsure of the time period where Chara died. The word "village" did bring to mind a medieval time period, but that was already called into question by the existence of the vhs tapes. Guess I just didn't think too deeply into it. But this vid is very insightful. Very analytical.

Monsters use a mixes of medieval, modern, and futuristic stuff, so there's no reason to assume humans in undertale don't do the same, or that they have to be accurate to reality, of course nothing too crazy as frisk comments on alphys' "history collection" being inaccurate.

I'd picked up on a lot of these things. It just seems weird that the game apparently takes place 100 years in the the future for no reason. It would have to because if the game's setting was the same as its release date in late 2015 all the drama from Chara falling down to the date of the game's start would have happened in less than six year, with one human falling down a year, which can't be the case for the reasons you mentioned. I think another reason why Asriel's death is often assumed to be in the long past is the humans are described as landing blows on him, like they're using, swords, farm tools or even their own fists. No mention of guns or shooting. It's worded to sound like it happened in the far distant past. One also has to wonder if this would mean there was camera phone footage of a monster holding a dead child all over the internet. That would rather sour the monsters return the surface. Even knowing the true timeline. I like the idea of a timeline where Asriel and Chara lived in the 1910s and Undertale takes place in 2015 more. It fits the fairy tale tone better.

Talking about popular fandom mandela effect, will you do one about how people say sans remember resets, can time stop and that papyrus like eating spaghetti?

I genuinely had to stop watching this video because I almost started crying just by thinking about undertale with the music sounding on the background. I don't know what it is about this game that hits me so hard, I haven't been able to play it for a long time because I know I'll just cry again. I feel like undertale hits a very special spot in my heart, and many others, because it manages to make me feel melancholic even though there is no reason for me to, but I guess that's the power of a soundtrack. I can only hope that Deltarune manages to do something similar, but honestly I think it's impossible to fight against something as simple and yet melancholic as Undertale.

A small headcanon I have, Frisk fell on September 15th 2115 as it would be Undertale's 100th anniversary

Really good video! Love seeing discussion about more obscure parts of the story like this

I put the 201X date up to the underground using a different calendar/dating system. Bear in mind the Julian one used in the west is timed off the position of the sun through the year, hence why stuff like the solstices fall at (roughly) the same time year to year. It's _possible_ they could continue using it; but keeping accuracy'd require much calculation + record keeping over significant timescales, not to mention that many reasons for keeping it (like planting crops in the right season) kinda become irrelevant when you're trapped under a mountain. Personally I think 201X might be measured from the creation of the barrier (feels like it's the best "year 0" candidate). but with how invariant the underground is (same king, seemingly no seasonal variation, etc) I suspect timekeeping itself might've become an irrelevant practice.

Very cool video! I never really thought much about the timeline before.

Thank you for reminding me! I never saw the Yen Sid video in my abo box or just overlooked it when it released. Adding this to my watchlist now. Have been looking forward to it after that excellent Terra video.

Imagine Flowey on the surface, excited to visit this cool city Chara told him about, only to discover that city is now half buried below the sea...

New Dorked video!! I remember people getting furious at me because I believed that the whole chara events probably happened less than maybe 20 years ago, max

ive been trying to find a video clearing this up for so long tysm

Also when checking the toy knife,frisk says:”made of plastic,a rarity now a days”,wich means that the world has evolved enough to even have eliminated plastic.

Okay, Chara fell in 201x, but what about the other humans? The other 6 souls? Chara was only the first human to fall, so maybe the events of Undertale take place even more far into the future than we thought lmao

Yes, I have been waiting for this video since you first started talking about it on twitter :) I don't really have much to say other than that I was also mixed on the timeline. Why is the world so much into the future, yet doesn't really feel like it? Thanks for clearing things up!

I always enjoy your videos. thanks!

Nice video! I just found your channel and you're seriously underrated. That should be an AU. Underrated. WAIT YOU OWN INVERTED FATE? I LOVE THAT!

It was always a one-striped shirt. People just didn't take a closer look.

Very interesting! I kinda wish we knew more about what Undertale’s surface was like, even if we’re given glimpses in the Pacifist credits.

Been excited for this.

I never thought about the fact that those are VHS tape recordings in 201X, so it has to be at least the 80's in our timeline.

havnt watched the full video yet so idk if you covered this, but if you inspect the plastic knife. it refers to how plastic is 'rare nowadays'

One Mandela effect I didn’t realize until recently is how most people depict Asriel as wearing khaki or blue pants, but I rarely seem to find him with black pants like his sprite. This applies to sans’ slippers being known by the fandom as pink, despite no sign of pink on sans’ sprite. But we knew that one already.

Another great video!

I've been on a binge watching your content, and have been loving the quality of the videos and admiring the amount of research you've put into each video! I was wondering though if you'd be interested in talking about the world-building of undertale and (possible?) unintentional world-building implications using jokes- For instance the description on the spider cider, while a joke implying cannibalism, was still thought out in it's implication with Muffet making references to it. Or, how we know some monsters like Toriel and Asgore eat snails, with snail farms that exist, and how the snails, _that are for consumption_ , *are also sentient.* You have no clue how much these snails have been driving me insane, with the several possible disturbing implications, that I'm 99% sure, are all unintentional results from a joke Toby wanted to make with talking snails.

This is the best video that I've seen done on the matter, well done! Too bad that it debunks some of my ideas but hey, there's always AUs for that! lol. (Side note: I wonder if you can do a video on Chara, probably the most misunderstood character in the fandom.)

Great video, thanks! I tend to think the nose nuzzling trophy isn’t just establishing when A/T we’re together and happy, but that they were probably crazy affectionate at that time, and probably quite eager to have a baby, so I think it’s a strong hint that Asriel was probably born soon after.

I didn't realize this. Thank you for explaining it.

2:24 this is funny because I litterally live in a village (or at least it was a village when my family moved here in 2016. Since then it's grown substantially, but the last time the population was recorded was in 2016, so I'm not sure if it's still a village or not)

Chara is in the intro which happened in 201X, so Frisk’s journey takes place in the future. That said, while the bow thing likely stems from a misconception about how far back Asriel’s death was, bows ARE still used today (just this week I had someone try to convince me hunting with bows was superior to gun based hunting- longer season, they have a higher success rate, etc.) So while guns are more likely, a bow headcanon for Asriel would still be feasible even if technology progressed at the same rate as real life. I’d also like to add that even today some towns officially refer to themselves as “villages.”

Good video! For the longest time (about two or three years), much to my regret, I've always believed that 201X was when Undertale took place, and that monster technology aged much quicker than humanity's. But when I eventually deduced that 201X was Chara and Asriel's time, I felt like a big dummy lmao. I now personally believe in headcanon that it's been a full century since 201X in Undertale, respectably. With that being said, I do hope your video especially helps others like me clear out the misunderstandings and misconceptions of Undertale's timeline!

A common misconception is that papyrus loves and is OBSESSED with spaghetti, when it’s shown he likes all types of pastas and other foods Update: also he hasn’t even tried spaghetti and just makes it cause everyone else likes it, his favorite food is oatmeal with Dino marshmallows in it!

Love this series!

My only question is that if the actual gameplay of Undertale takes place in the future, why does the city at the end look exactly like a modern city you'd see today? I'm not expecting weird helix-shaped glass towers or anything but if it's somewhere between 2060 and 2100 there should be some amount of noticeably different architecture on at least some of the buildings, right?

I've spent so long flabbergasted at the possibility Chara was born 1700's. I guess I looked at the fact the Justice Soul belonged to supposedly a cowboy? Like...with a gun. That makes me think they were from the wild west, which'd be the 1800's, and I'm pretty sure the Souls all fell in opposite order you discover them so it checks out. But now I'm even more flabbergasted that UNDERTALE MAY TAKE PLACE AT THE SAME TIME AS FALLOUT.

here's another thing to add about dogamy and dogaressa being #2 nuzzle champs 98, it is very much possible that the "98" could be referring to an entirely different century (such as 2098, 2198, etc) after toriel and asgore won back in 1998

I didn't know these misconceptions still existed. I must have read too much of your blog and Determinator's ^^

I think i might have a topic for a future episode of Fandom Mandela Effect: Chara. Just how much are they involved in your Undertale playthrough? Fancontent will tell you that Chara takes over Frisk’s body and forces them to do the genocide run, but is that really what’s happening? Fans will tell tales about Chara’s relationship with Asriel and how it was either extremely toxic or extremely wholesome, but what was it actually like? How did Chara actually feel about their monster family? And what exactly happens at the end of a soulless pacifist run? Does Chara take over and kill everyone, or is there something more here that the Fandom has missed or ignored? Chara is one of the more mysterious characters in Undertale, so there are a lot of misconceptions here that i hope you tackle eventually

My personal head cannon is that pre-barrier, the monsters were sealed by native Americans before America was “discovered”. Doing some pixel measurements shows that the sword held in the cutscene by the human is technically short enough to be the sort of long knife/short sword that did technically exist in that era

Thank you thank you thank you so much for clarifying this the timeline has always confused me

I'm pretty skeptical about it being SO far in the future, it just seems to me like an effort to cryptically hide something that... doesn't add or mean much to the story, to be completely honest. Like, if they wanted to make it clear, it'd be as simple as giving a dialogue to some characters like Sans or Toriel, something on the lines of "No human has fallen here in at least 100 years" or something like that. Or at least, they could've made the surface backgrounds in the credits look more futuristic. Like, sure, you can argue that "maybe the future of a 100+ years doesn't look so different from our present time" if you want. But from an artistic design perspective, it doesn't make sense. If you want people to feel in a fictional futuristic story, the natural thing is to make a fictional futuristic environment. They don't even mention stuff like this or even hint in it other sources like the art book. You could argue they're just being secretive about it like a lot of things like Chara or Gaster, which are still unclear. But why do that with *this*? Practically, it doesn't change anything. Whether the distant future theory was true or not, the story's main structure would remain the same, so what'd be the point of hiding something like that? And yes, monsters have technology like the CORE and stuff, but this is a world where magic exists. The Underground society has always used magic for their daily life, so I don't see why they couldn't have used that in their favor and just be more technologically advanced than humans. IDK, I'm just not convinced. I feel like too many inconsistencies pop up if we interpret Undertale as if it takes place in the distant future. It makes more sense to me with just a 20-50 year gap.

One thing I don't see enough people mention when talking about Undertale's timeline compared to Deltarune's is Rudy. In Deltarune, Rudy is the same age as Toriel and Asgore, as they were friends in college. In Undertale, however, we learn from the alarm clock dialogue that Asgore met Rudy at Hotland University. Since Asgore was already a war veteran and king by the time Hotland university could have been founded, this means that the Dreemurr parents were born much later in Deltarune(despite presumably being physically older based on Asriel's age). We can push this further: In Deltarune, Asriel and Kris grew up with Dess and Noelle, yet in Undertale, there's no indication that Toriel ever met Rudy, and it is likely that Asriel and Chara died well before Asgore and Rudy met, let alone before Rudy had kids. In Undertale, Asgore fought in a war that seemingly never happened in the Deltarune timeline, and lived anywhere from decades to millennia prior to Rudy's birth, yet in Deltarune they're the same age. In Deltarune, Asriel is implied to be roughly the same age as Rudy's older daughter, yet in Undertale, it's very likely that Asriel would have been similar in age to Rudy had he lived, if not considerably older. All of this, ignoring the monsters who are older than Asriel in Deltarune despite having been born at least decades after his death in Undertale. We know for a fact that the two timelines don't align, and the discrepancies date back anywhere between decades ago to all the way back in the BCE years, depending on when the war was. Even ignoring all the other inconsistencies, if we assume that the 202X date is actually canon and that Deltarune is set in 202X(which is reasonable, perhaps Asriel's birth year is one of the ones that remain consistent between the two universes.), this still obviously wouldn't be applicable to Undertale. Even if we use the most extreme dates of 2010 for 201X and 2029 for 202X, this still gives less than 18 years between Chara and Frisk, since Chara fell in late 201X and so assuming they died any earlier than late 2011 would be unrealistic, as they needed time to bond with Asriel. 18 years simply isn't long enough for the average monster to be unaware of what humans look like, especially with six humans falling in that relatively short time span, meaning most monsters would be old enough to remember at least four or five of them, and Undyne would have personally fought several, and it's definitely not long enough for Chara's name to seemingly be completely forgotten by the general populace. Combined with the mountain of evidence supporting that Frisk arrived sometime around 211X or 212X, and all the other inconsistencies, there is literally no reason to try to compare the timelines of the two universes to each other.

Sans says something that might hint it's been over a century since the last human fell. Something to the effect of Toriel laughing so hard at his joke that "it was like it's the funniest joke she's heard in a hundred years." Then again I could be reading too much into it, but a century does sound about right, since only a few monsters recognize Frisk as a human.

I'm glad at least you know that the story takes place in more modern times

honestly the idea that Asriel just got shot with a gun is really funny to me

I always thought of Chara falling in modern times, but before that, they lived in a place that still looks like the past (i.e. they don't have a lot of modern technology, strict gender roles, etc.) hence "village" despite being a kid who, if they were real, would've died only a few years ago.

Hmm, how about one on Sans and his lack of actual ability to remember the resets?

I like the Undertale's timeline misconception is a great for the theory of chara and asriel, I like your video

Very neat info

Undertale's lore has so many twists and turns that there are theories still being made to this day because of how many plot holes there are that we can't cover.

I’m kiiiinda shocked that people don’t believe that 201X was when Chara fell?? There’s a calendar in the game that STATES 201X, and it is stated to be OLD. Also quick question: when do you think Frisk fell? How much of a gap is there between Chara’s (implied) suicide attempt and Frisk’s fall? Also another Mandela effect is that Mystery Man is confirmed to be Gaster. We KNOW he was shattered across time and space, so Mystery Man is only a PART of him, if he even IS him. I do believe that the Mystery Man is part of Gaster, but many people also forget about Redacted and the Gaster follower with “a piece of him.”

This is one of those things that's hard to figure out even when paying attention.

6:19 hearing umineko ost in random places makes my day better

Unrelated but I didn't know the ruins dummy was a character and thought there were only three ghosts.

In my opinion,Undertale takes place 10 years,so around 202X.As such,if we were to take Papyrus's and Undyne's usernames's numbers(CoolSkeleton95 and StrongFish91),Paps and Undyne would be born in 209X,which would make them around his early twenties,which makes me wonder if that would help in solving the actual timeframe somehow.

Ever since I first discovered Inverted Fate I've been hooked. Any ideas on what to do when the main story is finished?

Monsters may just use the term "village" to describe small settlements in general.