Hello everyone, I create short comedy skits and would greatly appreciate it if y'all could spare a minute and lmk what you think of one. Thanks for your help
Love how the sidekick immediately changed his tune when he found out the writer liked the villain. He knew not to fuck with eldritch gods that can decide your fate on a whim.
no he wasn't but yall just keep repeating it like it's some mantra. don't get me wrong Zuko is an interesting character but he became "good" not because he reliased that his nation was nazis commiting genocide of others for a full century. no, the main reason he went on a good side was because he found some texts about his connection with previous avatar on the mother's side. I find it exteremly stupid
@@lt3746 yeah I did but it was long time ago. My perspective on the characters from the show changed a lot. I'm a Ukranian surviving through genocide right now, every week russia is bombing my city with 30-100 rockets. So yeah, genocide of a whole nation is too close topic to me. I cannot see character like Iroh and Zuko the same way as before.
The writers like him is the second most believable reason for redeeming a villain. The 1st being "he came in the top 3 in the character popularity poll"
This is what I was thinking. The audience loving a villain has been a long time incentive to bring that villain back repeatedly and eventually rehabilitate him.
@@caballo3739 That's basically how Goku handled most opponents, Vegeta made sense from a narrative stand point. Frieza one the other hand was just straight up resurrected from hell lol. The cyborg return was already weird enough, just for him to immediately get killed by Trunks
Also, when they're a villain, they're super powerful and intimidating. But the moment they join the good guys they become much weaker and lose some of their best abilities.
i love and hate that feeling every time i try to write something i hear about a trope and i'm like "wait that sounds bad. am i doing that? i need to check. right now. i do not care that it's 3 am." so basically just read your writing sometimes, it'll catch a lot of simple mistakes.
My personal favorite is when the villain doesn't rehabilitate and is still a major villain, but temporarily teams up with the hero gang to achieve a common goal, like escaping from captivity or defeating a common threat, and gets constantly bullied by them in the process.
This is why Zuko from Avatar the Last Airbender was so good. The characters didn't trust him instantly, they had a good reason to work together, and it was all believable.
plus he isn’t like most shows where he does one good thing and suddenly he’s the hero now. He had to make so many difficult choices over three seasons, some good, some bad and that makes it so much more satisfying to see his redemption as we had to see him go through so much struggle in order to achieve it
@@merpleberg yeah, I loved how after he does some good things, he does some bad. There was a scene with his uncle I straight up thought would be the start to his redemption arc, but then he turns against him. They also established his inner conflict from the beginning.
Uhhh Zuko basically was a decent example of the trope that’s made fun of here. He was basically just the bad guy, he takes credit for ‘killing’ the avatar to be supreme bad guy, and then turns hero, cause he has a tragic backstory too, and is literally part of the gang and there is no consequences for him. Like I get it was a great show that we watched as a kid, but he flips from evil to good as quickly as any anime character does with equally no consequences.
It's even worse when the villain tries to justify themselves acting like they have standards like "ive blown up planets, made people my slaves, and murdered innocent people, but you (insert protagonist/hero) are worse than me" like wtf nah bruh don't try to act like you have standards you're a literal serial killer who's *evil*
I feel like the only thing that would make this work is if throughout the series he has doubt about what he has become and decides to leave whatever evil organization he was apart of and go through a non evil transformation arc
There are plenty of villains who have naturally turned good (or at least helped stop evil) that work well. 2 well-known examples being Prince Zuko in Avatar: The Last Airbender, and Vegeta (funnily enough, still a prince). The main key is that they gave the characters time to grow and accept reality. (Technically, Vegeta's whole villain-turned-good arc is still going, given certain lines from the manga I won't elaborate on in this comment for those who don't read it.)
after learning that the protagonist also had a bad childhood, the villain says "maybe we're not so different". but that actually goes to show that they're SUPER different. the protagonist suffered just as much but didnt resort to evil and hurting others and still became a good guy, while the villain did the exact opposite. lol
Eh this skit is wrong. Anyone can be redeemed realistically. But sometimes in entertainment when we hate a villain so much, it feels more satisfying to see them die. But anyone can be redeemed outside of the "writers like them" defense. Kuvira is on her path to redemption. Zaheer helped Korra when she needed it. Thanos was very compelling not because "he's evil" but he's got a messiah complex, but he truly believed he would save the universe. His determination was nearly admirable, something seen I'm heroes like Captain America. Villains just being killed off is kinda bland nowadays.
@@lorenzobaxter this is a horrible take, not anyone can just be reemed. the skit is right and he's correct to make humour about this. You can't just redeem anyone, you're the exact kind person caleb is making fun of in this video 🦔❄
To be fair Zuko never had to redeem because he didn't hurt anyone. I don't think even Avatar could have done if it Zuko killed Kitara's and Souka's parents for example.
@@rioluvo Caleb isn't making fun of types of people, Caleb is making fun of a cinema trope where bad guys are redeemed too easily.. this doesn't even imply some people are irredeemable, just that people in media are redeemed in unbelievable bs ways.. both of you misinterpreted the skit smh
this reminds me of inuyasha to a small extent. Koga is introduced as a slaughterer of children and women, but then suddenly becomes a "rival" to Inuyasha who is also their ally, and they sort of sweep that shit under the rug because he's in love with Kagome.
@@cristinagomez3283 people are blinded by victory, they need many defeat to realize what they was doing wrong to change the way theyre thinking. He was blinded by his father At the end he still was winning but in another way, the way his mom always knew he'll win as Being good.
There’s nothing wrong with a villain redeeming themselves and becoming an ally of the heroes. But they have to earn it. They have to work on themselves and try to be a better person. It’s an effort they have to make. It’s possible but not easy. They have to win us and the characters over.
Alternatively; domesticate the villain. The villain doesn't have to redeem themselves, just depower them and chain them to the hero so they get dragged kicking and screaming into friendship till they succome to the fact that they can't murder anymore. Less Catholic maybe but very funny.
@@gota7738 wh- I feel like this is a specific reference to something but I’m not sure. The closest thing that comes to mind if the undertale flower pot AU with flowey.
Exactly. Have them face the consequences for their actions. Make it clear that nobody's obligated to trust, forgive or even like them while they're turning over a new leaf. Have them actually *work* to atone.
My favorite twist on the trope is accelerator from the toaru series where the only reason he was the antagonist was because he wanted to have his name associated with fear because he was sick of hurting and killing people who challenged him in hopes of taking his title as the strongest.
The editing and acting is so good that I was worried for a second that Caleb was being careless filming a sequence with an unsheathed point so close to Caleb's chest.
I hate when this happens. Especially on the scale of "The dude murdered like seventy people! FOR NO REASON" it just grinds my gears And I'm glad to know that some people feel the same- and that I'm not completely crazy
@@telphex4471 You have a good point. Personally, I think it sometimes depends on the crime and what exactly happened. (Along with how they go about redeeming themselves) Like for example I saw a comment about Zuko from Air Benders redemption arc and I really liked that But like if some guy just blew up a planet I feel like those people he killed deserve a good amount of justice But then again I played too much of crime and punishment (sherlock game) so I am a bit bias xD
Similar trope that I hate: Villain: is evil, kills for pleasure, kills heroes and innocents alike, tortures people for fun, is just generally the scum of the earth Hero: beats the villain in a fair fight and then refuses to kill them because “it makes me just like them” or something, so the villain runs off and continues to evil somewhere else. Drives me nuts. Just kill them!!!!!
This is me with that scene between Rinwell, Law, and Almeidrea in Tales of Arise. I just rolled my eyes when Law just starts to preach about not becoming the same thing as Almeidrea. Like hellooo, did he forget that she freaking committed genocide and instituted slavery? She deserved to be killed a hundred times over. *Sigh* maybe I'm getting too old for these JRPG bullshit.
@@impyrobot Frrr batman’s entire family got traumatized for life (and one of them died) because he wouldn’t finish the Joker off ... you would think he would learn his lesson after the first time but 🙄
Yeah, accountability is rarely found amongst villains who become good, especially the legal kind. Like, sure, people change, but if they don't take responsibility, there's no reason for other characters to believe they've changed. That being said, I'm not able to tell if villains change cuz the writer likes the character or are just bad at writing (or both). I just see things and think "man, if that were irl, they'd probably be locked up".
I think it's more likely the former, because a lot of writers will create villains without limiting their powers (like they do with heroes) thus making the villain more cool in their eyes, and then they want to use them as a good guy. Essentially, it's a really roundabout way to make a super cool, super overpowered hero without thinking about the limitations that they should have.
Hello everyone, I create short comedy skits and would greatly appreciate it if y'all could spare a minute and lmk what you think of one. Thanks for your time and help
I feel like Caleb could be a professional script writer for big screen movies, but he just gives that one character a reality check to make every single episode relatable
And that’s why vegeta doesn’t work. I mean does anyone not care about that arena scene? Like this is a grown man Apparently who I’m referring to is somehow lost in this sentence
@@Ttegegg what does him being grown have to do with anything? Just shitting on him to shit on him. Speaking of adults, you clearly arent one (atleast mentally) if you are mad that a youtuber is more sucessful than you...
@@brandan5708 Chill out. He's just saying that Vegeta doesn't work, and he never said that he was mad that a RU-vidr is more sucessful than him. You can't say he's a child if you aren't acting any different...
Oh my god ! This was my first tought. I was scrolling down the comments to see if someone mentionned him. The second he started appearing more I was confused. Didn't he kill Han ?
Pretty much Goku when he stopped Krillin from killing Vegeta. Even though he was responsible indirectly responsible for the deaths of 4 of their friends, beating up his 6 year old kid, crushing most of his bones and killing people on Earth.
When the writer actually does it right tho, it's one of the most lit and impactful moments In the series. And it ties in so we'll with the story and adds depth to it as well.
The reason villains become weaker is bc they can no longer pull out their abilities through hatred. They now have to hold back as to make sure not to hurt anyone whereas when they where villains theyd go all out no problem
"He's a fan favorite, ok? We can't afford losing his appeal to the audience by removing him from the story and character pool through death" "So he just gets to live on and not die at all?" "Oh don't worry, he'll die, by losing his edgy appeal due to becoming a good guy which limits how much he can express the few things that made him liked by the audience in the first place" "Ohh, a metaphorical death then.. okay, that's a fate worse than death, I get you..."
Season 1: "Fool! I am going to genocide the entire human race using this new weapon that I developed from experimenting on children" Season 5: "Hey what's up buddy? Want to team up against the bigger and badder villain? How about we torture his henchmen for information? Just kidding that's so old me."
1:19 "Before what?! Before we stopped you?!?!?! KILL HIM!!!" I love that! I can actually feel his anger, even though he's just acting! Edit: But either way, Caleb makes really good content. Man, even I'm jealous. 😂🤣
Ally: He was just about blow up New York! Villain: That was before Ally: Before what before we stopped you?! Villain: 😐 Nah… I didn’t think it’d get that many likes I appreciate it fam
This definitely applies to modern cartoon villains. Starlight Glimmer from MLP, Catra and Shadow from She-Ra, The Diamonds from Steven Universe, Lilith Clawthorne from The Owl House, Sasha Waybright from Amphibia, all of these villains suck because their redemptions arcs were rushed and half-assed.
I legit knew a guy on steam who I used to play Sea of Thieves with, and he told me that he was at a point once where he was so hungry that he actually ate cardboard to stop the hunger pains.
@@TheMinerax So all people who broke the law deserves to die? You're making it way too black and white. Guys like the one in the video definitely deserves it, but I need to die because I did drugs? Hell, I need help more than anything at that point.
Remember kids: There's nothing wrong with giving a villian a tragic backstory while making them an awful person and still offing them in the end. In fact that would probably make a better story than just the "oh nevermind they good now" arc.
"That was before." "Before what!? We stopped you?KILL HIM!!" that got me. 😂 "The writer likes him" ahh yes the greatest conversion factor to ever be used against humanity. SO MUCH HERE 👍🏿🤣👐🏿
Tch, geez... sure this comment thread is only 40 minutes old I suppose, but you'd think that maybe one of the answers would be someone would actually know an example of an anime that does do this. :p Anyways, all I can think of is like an action comedy anime like Slayers or One Punch Man, but I don't think they actually do something like that...
@@indigowendigo8165 a lot of anime ive seen have self aware moments but it’s mostly comic relief * and it’s usually just one chara breaking the fourth wall and everyone looking at them like they’re crazy
Depending on how your mileage goes, Dragon Ball is somewhat like this, with both Piccolo and Vegeta periodically reminding the others that they didn't start out as good guys and, in fact, they're only trustworthy in the sense that they formed meaningful bonds over time, because they're still very much bad guys in essence (Vegeta even more so than Piccolo, since Piccolo eventually mellowed out more and more after fusing with Nail and Kami-sama)
@@jacobd1984 preach bro. bonus points if the bad guy runs off to summon an ancient horror only to get killed by it anyway and then the main characters fight it and one of the side characters die and literally everything would've been fine if only they just killed him earlier
The whole nature philosophically of "The Hero & Villain" dichotomy is really a sensory discernment between the opposing forces of the universe and their complex macro and microcosmic varieties. Chaos and Order Creation vs. Entropy Good And Evil Yin and Yang Self improvement Vs. External destruction Cause Vs Effect The two poles of the same reality existence excudes, and by which humanity and all life to a degree functions as the constant re enactment of the spark of existence itself and it's complex unity.
