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How Star Vs the Forces of Evil Fell From Grace 

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Star Vs. the Forces of Evil used to be my top favorite show by a longshot, but throughout its 3rd and 4th season, I noticed a decline in its writing quality.
In this video, I go through what exactly made this show fantastic, and how it "fell from grace."
Credits:
Antagonist 1 - TBlofeld
Shipping 1 - Matthew
Antagonist 2 - Tblofeld
- Moon section (More Soup)
- Edited by Matthew
Continuity 2
- Edited by Headband Guy
Characters 2 - Rainbow
- Tom section (Rainbow)
- Eclipsa/Globgor Section (Rainbow)
- Edited by Matthew
Shipping 2 - Helped by Matthew
- Star was a terrible girlfriend (World of Meli)
- Star selfish genocide (sloppyjeaux)
- Edited by Matthew
Post Wendy Era
- Edited by Headband Guy
The Potential
- Edited by Headband Guy
And I just want to give another megalodon thank you to Headband Guy (Blier) and Matthew for editing/adding the visuals to the large majority of this video.
Seriously, this video would not be releasing ANYWHERE near today if they had not helped out.
Matthew / Matthematical Reactions - / @matthematicalreactions
Blier / Headband Guy - / @headbandguy
TBlofeld's Rewrite: archiveofourown.org/works/190...
00:00 - Introduction
[POSITIVE REVIEW]
00:55 - Overarching Story/Plot
03:31 - Side Note: Bon Bon the Birthday Clown
05:23 - Antagonist/Toffee
08:39 - Continuity
11:20 - Characters
14:43 - Shipping
15:42 - Shipping: Jarco
17:42 - Shipping: Starco
18:08 - Side Note: Blood Moon Disqualifier
19:18 - Positive Overview
[NEGATIVE REVIEW]
19:45 - Seasonal Story/Plot
28:47 - Antagonists
31:59 - Antagonists - Meteora Butterfly
33:08 - Antagonists - Mina Loveberry
34:05 - Antagonists - Moon Butterfly
37:34 - Continuity 2
56:27 - Side Note: Marco's Cheekmarks (and cheekmarks in general)
57:50 - Side Note: Beating Around the Bush
58:55 - Side Note: The Magic Book of Spells
1:00:50 - Side Note: Eclipsa's "Darkest Spell"
1:01:32 - Characters 2
1:04:17 - Side Note: Marco and Star become terrible people
1:10:10 - Shipping 2
1:10:30 - Shipping 2: Jarco
1:14:08 - Shipping 2: Tomstar
1:16:24 - Shipping 2: Kellco
1:18:46 - Shipping 2: Starco
1:23:53 - Side Note: Teenagers are Dumb
1:27:30 - Post Wendy Era
1:27:50 - Post Wendy Era: Doop Doop/Britta's Tacos
1:30:39 - Post Wendy Era - Beach Day/Gone Baby Gone
1:32:23 - Post Wendy Era - Sad Teen Hotline/Jannanigans
1:33:34 - Post Wendy Era - Mama Star/Read Aim Fire
1:35:11 - Post Wendy Era - The Right Way/Here to Help
1:39:31 - Post Wendy Era - Pizza Party/The Tavern At The End Of The Multiverse
1:43:11 - Post Wendy Era - Cleaved
1:53:10 - Post Finale Disaster
1:58:19 - What Went Wrong
2:01:45 - The Potential
2:04:15 - The Potential: 1. Toffee's Death
2:05:03 - The Potential: 2. Toffee's Backstory/motives
2:05:49 - The Potential: 3. Little to No Loose Ends
2:07:23 - The Potential: 4. Good Old Fashioned Montage
2:08:01 - The Potential: 5. Shipping
2:08:44 - The Potential: Shipping - Ending A. Jarco
2:09:17 - The Potential: Shipping - Ending B. Starco
2:10:38 - Ending
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@BlueOrder
@BlueOrder 4 года назад
I used to put Star Vs. the Forces of Evil on a very high pedestal. After all, it was the show that became my # 1 favorite _within its first season._ But throughout Season 3 and Season 4, I noticed a decline in its writing quality. Plot points were dropped or ignored, huge things would come out of seemingly nowhere, and the story seemed become more and more neglected by the writers (who seemed to have favored shipping-drama more). In this video, I go through what exactly made this show fantastic, and how it declined in quality. *_[TABLE OF CONTENTS]_* (Credit to Headband Guy / Blier for getting the timestamps) 00:00 - Introduction *[POSITIVE REVIEW]* 00:55 - Overarching Story/Plot 03:31 - _Side Note: Bon Bon the Birthday Clown_ 05:23 - Antagonist/Toffee 08:39 - Continuity 11:20 - Characters 14:43 - Shipping 15:42 - _Shipping: Jarco_ 17:42 - _Shipping: Starco_ 18:08 - _Side Note: Blood Moon Disqualifier_ 19:18 - Positive Overview *[NEGATIVE REVIEW]* 19:45 - Seasonal Story/Plot 28:47 - Antagonists 31:59 - _Antagonists - Meteora Butterfly_ 33:08 - _Antagonists - Mina Loveberry_ 34:05 - _Antagonists - Moon Butterfly_ 37:34 - Continuity 2 56:27 - _Side Note: Marco's Cheekmarks (and cheekmarks in general)_ 57:50 - _Side Note: Beating Around the Bush_ 58:55 - _Side Note: The Magic Book of Spells_ 1:00:50 - _Side Note: Eclipsa's "Darkest Spell"_ 1:01:32 - Characters 2 1:04:17 - _Side Note: Marco and Star become terrible people_ 1:10:10 - Shipping 2 1:10:30 - _Shipping 2: Jarco_ 1:14:08 - _Shipping 2: Tomstar_ 1:16:24 - _Shipping 2: Kellco_ 1:18:46 - _Shipping 2: Starco_ 1:23:53 - _Side Note: Teenagers are Dumb_ 1:27:30 - Post Wendy Era 1:27:50 - _Post Wendy Era: Doop Doop/Britta's Tacos_ 1:30:39 - _Post Wendy Era - Beach Day/Gone Baby Gone_ 1:32:23 - _Post Wendy Era - Sad Teen Hotline/Jannanigans_ 1:33:34 - _Post Wendy Era - Mama Star/Read Aim Fire_ 1:35:11 - _Post Wendy Era - The Right Way/Here to Help_ 1:39:31 - _Post Wendy Era - Pizza Party/The Tavern At The End Of The Multiverse_ 1:43:11 - _Post Wendy Era - Cleaved_ 1:53:10 - Post Finale Disaster 1:58:19 - What Went Wrong 2:01:45 - The Potential 2:04:15 - _The Potential: 1. Toffee's Death_ 2:05:03 - _The Potential: 2. Toffee's Backstory/motives_ 2:05:49 - _The Potential: 3. Little to No Loose Ends_ 2:07:23 - _The Potential: 4. Good Old Fashioned Montage_ 2:08:01 - _The Potential: 5. Shipping_ 2:08:44 - _The Potential: Shipping - Ending A. Jarco_ 2:09:17 - _The Potential: Shipping - Ending B. Starco_ 2:10:38 - Ending *_Credits:_* Antagonist 1 - TBlofeld Shipping 1 - Matthew Antagonist 2 - Tblofeld - Moon section (More Soup) - Edited by Matthew Continuity 2 - Edited by Headband Guy Characters 2 - Rainbow - Tom section (Rainbow) - Eclipsa/Globgor Section (Rainbow) - Edited by Matthew Shipping 2 - Helped by Matthew - Star was a terrible girlfriend (World of Meli) - Star selfish genocide (sloppyjeaux) - Edited by Matthew Post Wendy Era - Edited by Headband Guy The Potential - Edited by Headband Guy And I just want to give another megalodon thank you to Headband Guy (Blier) and Matthew for editing/adding the visuals to the large majority of this video. Seriously, this video would not be releasing ANYWHERE near today if they had not helped out. Matthew / Matthematical Reactions - ru-vid.com/show-UCNSbDnJWMqXvvRNDkRferyg Blier / Headband Guy - ru-vid.com/show-UCfQ8B4dctpWacphUt6k3hyQ *TBlofeld's Rewrite:* archiveofourown.org/works/19019023?view_full_work=true *_Music:_* Intro - Mark Sparling - Day 10 Overarching Story 1 - Louie Zong - The Lost Library - Potsu - Take me there Antagonist / Toffee 1 - Brian H Kim - Toffee Vs Marco - Louie Zong - Floating Fortress Continuity 1 - Aimless - yours truly - Louie Zong - The Town Library Characters 1 - Pandrezz - Takin’ You For a Ride - Louie Zong - The Jazz Club Shipping 1 - Potsu + Land - breakfast - Louie Zong - on the move Title + Seasonal Story (2) - Jinsang - Island - Louie Zong - backpack heavy, mind light - Louie Zong - half asleep - Kudasai - dream of her Antagonist 2 - Potsu - gogo - Cloudchord - Sunlit - Louie Zong - Orion - Crinkles - chronos Continuity 2 - Potsu - food court - Ibrahim - Bullet Train Fantasy - Potsu - have you heard - Louie Zong - Florida - Louie Zong - images - Louie Zong - racing theme - Louie Zong - struttin’ - Idealism - phosphenes - Louie Zong - here he comes - Louie Zong - Charlie brown’s day off Characters 2 - Potsu - I’m in space - Potsu - fall apart - Louie Zong - curly Shipping 2 - Brian H Kim - I Don’t Wanna Know - Potsu - Turtleneck - Louie Zong - steaks - Louie Zong - comforter - Crinkles - Gravity - Potsu - lovesick - Louie Zong - Allison - Potsu - Moments Notice - Louie Zong - Gretchen - Crinkles - Hydrangea - Mark Sparling - Mystery Post Wendy Era - 90s Flav - call me - The Deli - Vibes - Louie Zong - rain - Leaf Beach - Keef - The Deli - Flowers - Potsu - bird Post-Finale Disaster - Aso - Ultra Violet What Went Wrong - Mark Sparling - Day 10 - Crinkles - Countess The Potential - Kudasai - the girl I haven’t met - Louie Zong - ice pond - Louie Zong - The Big Wave - The Deli - Sleepy Vibes - Louie Zong - Matter over Mind - The Deli - Water Ending - Louie Zong - End of the Show - Dunderpatrullen - Face Against The Gardin *[Fair Use Disclaimer]* Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. This is a direct content review/criticism of the original show, this directly falls under Fair Use Law. I am not claiming that I own the material shown in any way, this is simply a review.
@TrevorianTheTemplar
@TrevorianTheTemplar 4 года назад
gg
@no_name4415
@no_name4415 4 года назад
You put a lot of work into this, props dude
@peachie5000
@peachie5000 4 года назад
Blue Order b
@malcolmw121
@malcolmw121 4 года назад
Those credits are impressive, and I haven't even started the video yet. But it's amazing to see such a huge project come to fruition, and furthermore it'll be great to see you get back into the swing of things with all the fun stuff that's happened while you were busy with this! I'm so glad to see this, both for what it is and what it heralds. Just remember to not push yourself, if you need a break after this huge project then go for it. E>
@AcordHachi
@AcordHachi 4 года назад
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@MCPhatman
@MCPhatman 4 года назад
I hated how Star just commited genocide for the ending and no one bats an eye.
@s4juno693
@s4juno693 4 года назад
Hey but at least have Starco.
@chickenstripz1961
@chickenstripz1961 4 года назад
@@s4juno693 *cough*
@lfamvs5520
@lfamvs5520 4 года назад
Star was basically Hitler in the final
@moshh8680
@moshh8680 4 года назад
@@s4juno693 *cough cough*
@princessthyemis
@princessthyemis 4 года назад
wtf?! yeah I agree with you!
@audwette2572
@audwette2572 3 года назад
I just can't get over how they turned Glossaryck, one of the best characters and the most powerful magic user of all time into a fucking dog
@megamindvs2514
@megamindvs2514 3 года назад
🤣
@megamindvs2514
@megamindvs2514 3 года назад
Oh fudge yea.
@phantomgamer3898
@phantomgamer3898 3 года назад
Worst part is they didn't even have a good reason to do that, they just did it because why not. "Warning them about Globgor" was a really poor excuse to justify that :/
@victore3116
@victore3116 3 года назад
@@phantomgamer3898 ikr, saying "globgor, globgor, globgor" every 5 minutes doesnt help, he could just have told then about globgor
@millerkarageanes1562
@millerkarageanes1562 3 года назад
@@phantomgamer3898 Jeffery Tambor his voice actor was accused of sexual harassment and that’s the reason why they had him say that. So that wasn’t really their fault
@charismaticRogue
@charismaticRogue 2 года назад
its genuinely hilarious to me that star and marco were literally based off nefcy and her husband and they ended up with the WORST writing, meanwhile tom is "based off all of nefcy's exes" and he got the most ACTUAL character development. how does that happen? how does a SPITE character you made end up better off than all your other characters?
@charismaticRogue
@charismaticRogue 2 года назад
@@ThisIsAshley41 exactly. goes to show in writing you shouldnt just *inject* your personal experiences into a characters existence and expect your viewers to completely agree with you, regardless of how much the audience becomes endeared to them. i doubt nefcy was trying to make tom "irredeemable" since he was obviously a chill guy by the end of the show, but its clear what her intentions with his role in the show was, and it was unimpressive to say the least :/ edit: apparently person above just kinda... assumed a bunch of things and was disgreeing with me bc of it. weird lmao
@ducksick9973
@ducksick9973 2 года назад
it's like how Chloé from Miraculous was from the writer's past bully and she got the best redemption arc and character in the entire show
@fighter0056
@fighter0056 2 года назад
Ok this is funny
@slevinchannel7589
@slevinchannel7589 2 года назад
Great-but-flawed = Perfect Candidate for a Reboot.
@1010otep
@1010otep 2 года назад
really says something about the person doesn't it
@lentao81
@lentao81 2 года назад
Toffee knowing about the Whispering Spell could have so easily been said to be because Eclipsa told him, since the two dated and all. It'd at least be more believable than Toffee having known it through a random book.
@shinysoda6
@shinysoda6 2 года назад
To think they creators actually expected us to believe that...the whispering spell is shown to be one of the most important spells in the series...and apparently it's just in some easy to find book
@FantasticFawnleap
@FantasticFawnleap 2 года назад
Dude ew no!
@galten7361
@galten7361 Год назад
I don't know what the point of saying Toffee dated Eclipsa was to begin with unless it's just supposed to be some "lol Eclipsa chases around Monsters."
@Parasolhyena
@Parasolhyena Год назад
@@FantasticFawnleap Why are you saying ew to them? They just stating that this is cannon. No one likes it but it's written in the book the ties itself so deeply with the show.
@astralhorrorshow
@astralhorrorshow 10 месяцев назад
well, i think the historian thing and the dating eclipsa thing could've been pulled off well if they actually explored toffee's past. he wasn't and average historian, he was a really, really active one. it would've been so easy for them to make it so he was just dating eclipsa to get butterfly information from her, since it's canon that he's despised mewmans for a long time. it could've been like this: toffee, during his historian years (either before or after his days as a general) was getting frusterated because he had heard of a powerful spell that all queens taught their daughters, but he couldn't find any information on it because it was kept between the butterfly family. then, eclipsa comes along, and toffee has an idea. he can get the spell out of her. so they start dating, and he casually brings up that he's studying the butterfly family for his historian duties or something, and he could tell eclipsa that he's heard of a spell that all queens are taught by their mothers, and he casually laments about not knowing it and how it would bring him satisfaction to know, even if he wouldn't tell anyone. eclipsa is apprehensive with herself at first, but seeing as she really liked toffee (maybe it was her attempt at an actual serious relationship) she tells him the spell. after they break up, toffee already has all the information he needs. i just made that all up in five minutes. the star team was working on season 3 and 4 the time that s2 was airing. it was such an easy fix, it boggles my mind.
@nourmallysalty
@nourmallysalty 3 года назад
Toffee’s back was hurting from carrying the show, that’s why Daron decided to kill him off
@petscopkid
@petscopkid 3 года назад
Now that I think about it he doesn’t really have much screentime in the show, yet he’s one of the best characters
@guaxinimminixuang1279
@guaxinimminixuang1279 3 года назад
TKO's back is hurting from carrying OK K.O too, but Ian don't killed him off
@millerkarageanes1562
@millerkarageanes1562 3 года назад
@@petscopkid Yeah his lack of screentime enhances his presence and is makes him so threatening
@ynln327
@ynln327 3 года назад
Toffee was too seggsy and the writers couldn’t handle it🙄✋‼️
@jarnevandepoll254
@jarnevandepoll254 3 года назад
It isnt cruelty, its mercy
@catalyst_8759
@catalyst_8759 4 года назад
Don’t forget, Star forgot to greet Marco happy birthday during lava lake because she was busy smooching Tom.
@artisticstuff3764
@artisticstuff3764 4 года назад
Catalyst _ Omg yes thank you. And the fact that Marco went to such great lengths to create an amazing birthday for her - and she was so ungrateful for it. I honestly don’t know how Marco or Tom were able to put up with her rudeness in the first place.
@craigpeoples9883
@craigpeoples9883 4 года назад
@@artisticstuff3764Even if Marco's Character went down hill he still had his moments and his character regression was caused by the blood moon mainly will his character wasn't the best towards the end he was a better character than Star in my opinion
@jlwiseman98
@jlwiseman98 4 года назад
Dont forget she also never apologized once for the kiss situation with Marco to Tom, not even for not telling him either.
@abnormalnox
@abnormalnox 4 года назад
@@jlwiseman98 VERY true. And she had the audacity to get mad cause HE knew about it and didnt tell her. Marco is a true bro for telling him that too. She had no right to pull that shit. In all honesty Tom dodged a bullet when he broke up with Star. Sure he was controlling and had anger issues in the beginning but he became a better person in the end. Star was actually very abusive herself (you can see it with marco) and just overall not as good a person the show makes her out to be.
@jlwiseman98
@jlwiseman98 4 года назад
@@abnormalnox though I also noticed neither Marco or Star ever gave Tom an apology for the situation. Marco tells him, he never apologizes onscreen though. Like it really bothers me we had to watch Tom get treated like garbage for so long by Star, and neither character gives him a single apology for it, as if they aren't sorry or did nothing wrong. Like it REALLY bothers me, cause Tom says sorry all the time when he screws up, but nah he got no apology for all the bad stuff they do to him. Wth
@MasterIsabelle
@MasterIsabelle Год назад
I never understood how Marco in the first few episodes of the show can beat up and hurt otherworldly monsters with no recoil while he breaks his arm on 3 wooden boards
@pinnapop7895
@pinnapop7895 Год назад
LMAO
@kastro6959_
@kastro6959_ 2 месяца назад
Welcome to cartoon world
@RiceTrees
@RiceTrees 2 месяца назад
Monsters are very squishy
@angie-adriangarcia4975
@angie-adriangarcia4975 6 дней назад
Yeah that always gets me. Yes it's a cartoon, but give at least a simple reasonable explanation. Like I don't, magic.
@austinjohnsen4430
@austinjohnsen4430 2 года назад
Something I don’t think gets talked about enough is the fact that Marco thought that he seemingly spent 16 years away from his loved ones chasing after a demon girl and didn’t seem to be all that worked up about it. Apparently we’re to believe that he never once thought about the emotional trauma that for all he knew his sudden disappearance may have caused everyone.
@ТагирЛюбительчая
И он променял отношения с этой девушкой , на какую то глупую принцессу , которая выдумала несуществующее проблемы
@ТагирЛюбительчая
translation of my words: And he exchanged his relationship with this girl for some stupid princess who invented a non-existent problem
@galten7361
@galten7361 Год назад
The biggest impact was Hekapoo being in Marco's friend circle with him remembering le voice.
@charcole92810
@charcole92810 Год назад
Lets not also forget that on Earth it equated to 16.2 minutes, I think. edit: nvm it was actuslly only 8 minutes💀
@theheartsystem6206
@theheartsystem6206 Год назад
The thing that gets to me about this is that he could spend 16 years alone doing all that and was just fine with not seeing Star. But the finale, nah. They can't stand to be apart for even a little while. So much so that they risk their lives and millions of others so they can possibly be together.
@Garrettcube
@Garrettcube 4 года назад
Moral of the story: always consider your priorities when making a show. Don’t change shit on a whim just to accommodate a ship and throw out everything your story built up to.
@carlacarrero4975
@carlacarrero4975 4 года назад
the real moral of this story is dont make love triangles in plot driven shows
@meccquest13
@meccquest13 4 года назад
Or plan out your show so you can work in and resolve all this romance drama without it feeling rushed or forced.
@icecreamhero2375
@icecreamhero2375 4 года назад
The show started out strightforward then got convoluted.
@spyro2002
@spyro2002 4 года назад
@@carlacarrero4975 the moral is just don't make love pendagons. Cause that my friend was far from just a triangle
@lfamvs5520
@lfamvs5520 4 года назад
Things I always keep in mind and disasters like SVTFOE only confirm I’m doing it right with my story👍 Also, jokes on you, my show doesn’t even have ships ;)
@CorvusnTel
@CorvusnTel 4 года назад
This shows biggest crime was to introduce the best, most attractive, most intelligent villain ever and completely shoot him in the foot.
@lorettabes4553
@lorettabes4553 4 года назад
Yes ;_;
@anniebannanielosttheirnanny
@anniebannanielosttheirnanny 4 года назад
Right?! I would have loved to see more and have that experience for a lot longer. He seemed like such a threat but after that, everything felt like a joke. He should have been an endgame villain instead of Mina.
@yellowpig1026
@yellowpig1026 4 года назад
i haven't finished KO yet so don't spoil me. but did venomous get better treatment?
@Lenny-ue8hk
@Lenny-ue8hk 4 года назад
*hand
@db20193
@db20193 4 года назад
It was the finger actually 😉
@kayleejazz1669
@kayleejazz1669 2 года назад
Star:”everybody breaks up! That’s what teenagers do! Teenagers are dumb!” Me: according to that logic Marco and star won’t last a week.
@EvilMeganium
@EvilMeganium Год назад
Also she just admitted that she's stupid
@QuiGonJohn1999
@QuiGonJohn1999 Год назад
I give them 11 minutes
@rando9449
@rando9449 Год назад
@@QuiGonJohn1999 11? I’d be shocked if they make it 2
@AmongusBalls65
@AmongusBalls65 Год назад
@@rando9449 make it 6 milliseconds
@Spiney09
@Spiney09 Год назад
7 seconds.
@Epsilon-18
@Epsilon-18 2 года назад
I like how Tom just T-Poses into the S3 Intro like an absolute legend.
@AmongusBalls65
@AmongusBalls65 Год назад
He is based
@redd9818
@redd9818 8 месяцев назад
Asserting his dominance as the one best character.
@tinkerknight1754
@tinkerknight1754 4 года назад
The show went from promising to a 14 yo teenager fanfic. But hey, at least Tom was in it
@crematedfelony
@crematedfelony 4 года назад
I've seen better fanfics written by 12 year olds.... it's sad to see how much they wrecked this (do some adult writers just forget how writing actually works??)
@incognitobread2678
@incognitobread2678 4 года назад
@@crematedfelony ikr
@niveditasrinivasan7070
@niveditasrinivasan7070 4 года назад
too little too late
@dontburstmybubble686
@dontburstmybubble686 4 года назад
Tom is everything like??? Star literally never changes. She just got progressively more annoying because “I literally don’t know anything about this new culture so I’m sorry if I act dumb” hits way different than “I have been to earth, I have been to mewni, yet now I cheat on my boyfriend and potentially murder millions of magical creatures because it feels right”. Edit: I forgot to add why I stan Tom sooo Tom? He was willing to go through therapy, he was willing to go through his equivalent of electric shock therapy, and like at first it was for Star so yeah weak but then it was just for him and he won her back on accident???? This is the type of arc I love and he’s also like a nice anger demon in anger management??? That’s so simple yet so creative. And like he’s powerful but he never feels powerful because none of his battles are solved by fire. He is literally textbook good character writing!
@emilypatriciagarciacanals4588
@emilypatriciagarciacanals4588 4 года назад
You spoke the truth there
@samantha-uw3ky
@samantha-uw3ky 4 года назад
Star is a terrible girlfriend. Poor tom.
@robkuro8564
@robkuro8564 4 года назад
In the end, Tom and Star's relationship ended up being a good thing for them (though I still contest that it was drawn out for far too long - they had plateaued for a long time). They didn't lose a romantic partner; they gained a friend. Friendship is the most important thing for me, and it's something the show sought to emphasize, particularly in Season 4.Yes, I'll agree Star treated Tom unjustly sometimes, but it never came of as true spite.
@samantha-uw3ky
@samantha-uw3ky 4 года назад
@@robkuro8564 No, i dont think she did it on purpose which arguably is worse. Star by the end of the series had selfish qualities and trigger tendencies that was never resolved and was even rewarded. She has her good moments but especially in relationships, she seems to be only invested if it currently alligns with what she's focused on. That means she's not a bad girlfriend due to active intentions, but she's a bad girlfriend due to character flaws she isn't all that aware of. And when someone doesn't know or doesn't understand how they're in the wrong about anything they cause more damage. Not about relationship drama-but during stars song day she reveals to the entire kingdom that she lost her book of spells to ludo because..."she couldn't write some puff piece"?...Like the good and comfort of the kingdom is less important than her public image being dishonest in her eyes. The show portrays it as her being good for being honest but I found it on par with a divorced couple telling their children its because one of them cheated. I mean her heing reckless is a staple of her character but I feel like her character quirks become serious character flaws when the show doesn't adress them all that much.
@alphaunicorn9035
@alphaunicorn9035 3 года назад
I agree. I was especially thrown off by the part where Star got mad at Tom for not telling her he knew about her kiss with Marco. I found it rather hypocritical and instead of apologizing, she puts the blame on Tom and, for lack of a better term, plays the victim. There's nothing wrong with having characters make mistakes like that as long as it's resolved in the end, but I never felt like it was. I guess I just had higher hopes for her chatacter development
@Gooberwares
@Gooberwares 3 года назад
Yeah her and Marco will last maybe a month if they can avoid the angry humans who’s lives they uprooted
@TheElectroUPD
@TheElectroUPD 3 года назад
Why?
@bumblebeeproductions1673
@bumblebeeproductions1673 2 года назад
Imagine how simple the ‘cheekmark plothole’ could have been resolved if they just said: Festivia and Meteora were half sisters but Meteora was sent away because of being half monster while Festivia was kept because she was human There. That simple, and it keeps the ‘magic cheekmarks’ are part of the Butterfly family and it will make Star an actual Butterfly but Meteora would still exist
@eatatjoes6751
@eatatjoes6751 2 года назад
Festivia/Celena is also related to Marco somehow, thus explaining his stupid cheekmark shit.
@ndawn90
@ndawn90 Год назад
Exactly, do an Aquaman. Eclipsa had her firstborn (Meteora) with her true love, Globgor, then she's forced to marry and have an actual heir with the Mewman king. Heck, they could have even made it so Festivia was like Eclipsa's niece or something, and was given the throne due to anti-monster bias. Either way, at least Star is still actually related to Eclipsa and that explains why she spent so much time helping her.
@cosmiccovegalaxy164
@cosmiccovegalaxy164 Год назад
@@ndawn90 fr they couldve made festivia JUSHTIN'S daughter and eclipsa's niece therefore getting rid of the cheekmark plothole
@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034
@@eatatjoes6751 Marco's great grandfather was apart of the royal family and he somehow went to earth and got stuck there. Fixed.
@galten7361
@galten7361 Год назад
I think that Star (and Moon) being an illegitimate monarch is an interesting enough idea if they actually did more with it than just making an excuse for Eclipsa to take the throne without a fight. It's still silly they figured to make Star descend from a peasant.
@magicdoll9914
@magicdoll9914 2 года назад
It really was shocking to me just how indifferent the characters became to death, especially at the end. Star being like "lol I guess we'll never know!" when she's asked what happened to the Magical High Commission after magic is destroyed left a bad taste in my mouth.
@thunder-uy5zz
@thunder-uy5zz 2 года назад
facts like what happened to hekapoo
@thunder-uy5zz
@thunder-uy5zz 2 года назад
We didn't even see her after the magic was destroyed
@sanscoolson5125
@sanscoolson5125 Год назад
And I am sad that Rhombulus was character assassinated (since from the beginning he showed regret for his crime and potentially get a redemption arc)
@galten7361
@galten7361 Год назад
@@thunder-uy5zz Yeah since she's a fan favorite waifu unlike the other two. We don't see her just being a candle or whatever since she was written as actually sympathetic.
@davifernandopereiraborges5168
Ever stopped to think the people wich visit the arcade dimension will probably die from starvation after being stuck there for all eternity?
@ambiverted6342
@ambiverted6342 4 года назад
Star be like: 🤗 teehee I just committed mass murder against all dimensions 🤗
@KingkyLeor
@KingkyLeor 4 года назад
she really thanos snapped more than 50% of beings but she was just thinking "smoosh smush, bag guy no mo, got bf back"
@angelchavez4245
@angelchavez4245 4 года назад
This comment just made my day😂😂
@pidgeonweeb4493
@pidgeonweeb4493 4 года назад
She takes nothing serious, so when it comes to one of the more important parts of a story Character Development, it shows nothing. She has no guilt, and barely any punishments for her actions.
@klank218
@klank218 4 года назад
teenagers are dumb so that doesn't matter
@katie15732
@katie15732 4 года назад
@Klank Lol
@jlwiseman98
@jlwiseman98 4 года назад
Daron: " teens are dumb so it's ok for them to act that way!" Tom: *is a teenager who grows and learns from his mistakes, constantly apologizes, and improves for him and the people he cares about and is arguably the best character in the show* The show didn't excuse Tom's bad actions because "hes a dumb teenager ", he had growth and learned and became so mature and selfless. What's Star and Marco's excuse for treating everyone like garbage and not learning to be better?
@jellyfish0311
@jellyfish0311 4 года назад
"Because they are protagonists". Lazy writing treats them as being always right
@KaisaWitchFromHilda
@KaisaWitchFromHilda 4 года назад
You know for a character based on the creator's whole bunch of ex-boyfriends, he's literally the most caring and self-improving character of the show, big yikes.
@Ando1428
@Ando1428 4 года назад
@@KaisaWitchFromHilda my favorite part was when eclipsa hit them with that beam. Marco am i rediculous? I am rediculous and have bad taste in friends.
@adamkalb1
@adamkalb1 4 года назад
Daron Nefcy, did you take stupid pills this morning when you said that? Your Star Fan 13 character totally feels betrayed by Cleaved. November 12, 2019, 10:54pm
@OneDude7745
@OneDude7745 4 года назад
Heck, it's ironic how a literal DEMON became the most well-developed and most improved characters while the humans became nothing but degenerates!
@DinoDealer
@DinoDealer 2 года назад
i saw a comment on a different video about svtfoe that said “the thing is: the blood moon didn’t even have to be romantic. just soul bonded. best friends for life. the end” and it honestly makes the most sense. it didn’t have to be romantic, it really didn’t.
@joshuagarcia7488
@joshuagarcia7488 2 месяца назад
That would've been WAY better!
@HipomosJ
@HipomosJ 2 месяца назад
The blood moon thing should have been metaphorical in the first place, but even if it "did" something, then the blood moon should have only been an external force that indirectly made actions/events that strengthened the bond between Marco and Star (and the curse should have been solved way earlier)
@joshuagarcia7488
@joshuagarcia7488 27 дней назад
@HipomosJ this whole Blood Moon situation showed that Marco and Jackie were the ones who were actually meant to be together. Because Marco and Star were done by magic, and Marco already had feelings for Jackie, who ended up returning those feelings. But the blood moon curse got in the way. It also made any Starco moments non-consensual because they didn't willingly get those feelings.
@ginocantatore4494
@ginocantatore4494 2 года назад
The final episode of Gravity Falls leaves little to no loose ends while leaving the rest of it to the imagination in a good way and it kind of leaves you wanting more in a good way. The ending of Star Vs the Forces of Evil and by extension the entire show has loose ends and plot holes and it leaves the rest to the imagination and it leaves you wanting more in a bad way at least in my opinion.
@ginocantatore4494
@ginocantatore4494 2 года назад
thanks man it means a lot I really appreciate it Blue Order
@jturner2577
@jturner2577 2 года назад
I'd love to see a Gravity Falls Reunion Special, Movie or Sequel/Prequel Series. Star vs the forces of evil on the other hand, unless most of Season 4 was retconed I could care less if it came back.
@garrettjackson1451
@garrettjackson1451 2 года назад
I agree same goes to Amphibia like gravity falls it leaves little to no loose ends and leaving the rest of it to the imagination except we didn’t see what happened on the other side of the portal but I guess Marcy’s journal will fill in the gap later
@user-tt5cg9yp8l
@user-tt5cg9yp8l 2 года назад
My reaction to GF ending:man,it's just so sad it's ended.Goodbye,Gravity Falls.I'll miss you and remember you.You did everything perfectly. My reaction to SVTFOE ending: WHAT?!WHAT THE HELL?!GO FUCK!
@loafofbread2958
@loafofbread2958 Год назад
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@SpencerBPD
@SpencerBPD 4 года назад
When they killed off Toffee the show died.
@eeveefennecfox
@eeveefennecfox 4 года назад
fake fan
@shizaanimations7634
@shizaanimations7634 4 года назад
Dark Spyro not true, the show drastically declined in quality once the best villain in the show died If you think they are a fake fan due to him saying the show gets worse, then maybe you’re the fake fan, since you will not let other people have opinions, thinking that your opinion of the show is perfect, meaning you are a horrible, and possibly fake, fan.
@gutsonthemic5261
@gutsonthemic5261 4 года назад
i disagree. the series manage to actually remain strong without him
@eatatjoes6751
@eatatjoes6751 4 года назад
No, when they slowly shrank the cast to accomodate the growing tumor of ship and Moon/Mina became the villains instead of Toffee or Eclipsa...or Globgor...or *SOLARIA.*
@PsychoChuckGreene
@PsychoChuckGreene 4 года назад
Same here when I seen Toffee got resurrected and then gets killed minutes later is when I was done with the show
@Jacksparrow-sh8te
@Jacksparrow-sh8te 4 года назад
Destroying magic isn’t going to solve anything. Especially if Mina is still out there. Imagine she discovers guns.
@aesthedicks5103
@aesthedicks5103 4 года назад
...not to mention this show literally goes into full detail of how brutal violence towards the monsters in the book, it's literally an essential part of the show's lore. who's to say human's won't try the same shit? but that doesn't matter because ˜”*°•.˜”*°• s t a r c o •°*”˜.•°*”˜
@Jacksparrow-sh8te
@Jacksparrow-sh8te 4 года назад
aesthedicks 😂 😂😂😂
@ryancarson6962
@ryancarson6962 4 года назад
aesthedicks Not to mention that the human on Earth would actually have a REASON to have problems with Monsters and the other creatures due to the general chaos of the world merge and how these creatures suddenly appearing would displace many people from their homes. And that’s not accounting for the possibility that they think this was an attack, overall the societal problems on Mewni will probably only get WORSE due to the events of the finale.
@jlwiseman98
@jlwiseman98 4 года назад
That's the irony of if, they make it feel like if you just remove magic that will solve all their problems, when it reality it only temporarily solves the solution since there are other ways mina can hurt the monsters. So they had star cause mass genocide, destroy a source of power for multiple dimensions, separate families and friends forever and do god knows how much more damage....to solve a problem that can easily come back in an entirely different way. No one properly thought this idea out, because the solution of destroying magic kinda seems like it caused more damage then it just would've to have the four queens attack mina themselves and heal everyone through other means.
@orochi-mo9987
@orochi-mo9987 4 года назад
She most likely died in the woods
@jazzy9983
@jazzy9983 Год назад
I think it’s actually pretty crazy how fucking huge this show and fandom was before it ended.. but now nobody talks about it. I think the way the show ended completely killed the fandom and mostly everyone including me doesn’t really wanna think about it
@ChiefMedicPururu
@ChiefMedicPururu Год назад
Kinda like Game of Thrones.
@jazzy9983
@jazzy9983 Год назад
@@ChiefMedicPururu I actually was also thinking of game of thrones when I wrote this but I personally never watched it so I couldn’t say lol
@ChiefMedicPururu
@ChiefMedicPururu Год назад
@@jazzy9983 Let's just say Season 8 killed everything. Even the actors look disappointed.
@jazzy9983
@jazzy9983 Год назад
@@ChiefMedicPururu would you say game of thrones is worth the watch bad ending aside? Like is it enjoyable to sit through ig?
@ChiefMedicPururu
@ChiefMedicPururu Год назад
@TheGlassesPro Oof.
@anonymous-rq2lh
@anonymous-rq2lh Год назад
i’ve watched this video multiple times, and my jaw *still* drops every time at the part saying the crew were writing a serialized story-driven show as they went along
@yulee3266
@yulee3266 Год назад
im sure that can be done well or at least good it just takes time and good ideas
@herowither12354
@herowither12354 10 месяцев назад
It works for Ninjago.
@kenm.a.d.7196
@kenm.a.d.7196 10 месяцев назад
It explains way too much
@fromation9432
@fromation9432 4 года назад
Daron based Tom off of all of her ex boyfriends. Yet he ends up being one of the most likable characters in the show...😅
@craigpeoples9883
@craigpeoples9883 4 года назад
Yeah wouldn't have expected that 😅
@sugarapple7288
@sugarapple7288 4 года назад
@@liveslex5581 Eren deadass said he hated her bro. And even if he didn't really mean it he's gonna die soon anyway. I HIGHLY doubt they will be together at the end of season 4.
@sugarapple7288
@sugarapple7288 4 года назад
@@liveslex5581 But they didn't create aot though. Hajime Isayama did. He's the author what he says goes
@Mexicanninja68
@Mexicanninja68 4 года назад
Maybe she was the Problem😉
@ksnndnfr6101
@ksnndnfr6101 4 года назад
Must've had some pretty awesome exes
@thefaceofunemployment1373
@thefaceofunemployment1373 3 года назад
This man has more knowledge on the series than the people actually running the show...
@charlotteno.5332
@charlotteno.5332 3 года назад
*Facts!*
@the6597
@the6597 3 года назад
I know this has nothing to do with anything, but I was wondering what the song at 1:27:30 is. I hope this isn’t too irrelevant.
@rosecandy8922
@rosecandy8922 3 года назад
@@the6597 call me by 90s Flav
@the6597
@the6597 3 года назад
@@rosecandy8922 Thank you!
@rosecandy8922
@rosecandy8922 3 года назад
@@the6597 You're welcome! :)
@lemonlebowski1397
@lemonlebowski1397 2 года назад
Marco being a twist villain would have been great. It would make a cool connection with the bat wing/skull design for "Evil" in the title and his wand design. Also his connection with Toffee. If there was a family link between Celena and Marco (or any kind of connection, I dunno) it would explain the crescent moon. Maybe Celena leaked information to the serpentines because she knew the danger of magic abuse and the risk of monsters dying out. Or Marco could have been a Mewnan who had his memories erased by the High Commission and placed into a human family to keep him out of Mewni. That would be hard to explain with his whole family, though. One thing I wished was added to the cheek mark/magic exposure thing was that only Mewnans get cheek marks from magic exposure, or if they have a direct link to magic like a wand. If Marco were a Mewnan or a confirmed relative to the true royal Butterfly line (like a relative to Eclipsa), the cheek marks would make sense. It would explain why Jannan and Tom don't get any because they're a human and a monster. Marco and Star as friends would have been a much more stable route for the series. And a big fight between a twist villain Marco and Star would be heart-wrenching, seeing two friends who grew together fight over opposing beliefs. Which one is right? Star, who wants to preserve magic and save the monsters, or Marco, who wants magic gone to keep the realms safe and also save monsters from an oppressive society. I almost wish we could get a remake.
@galten7361
@galten7361 Год назад
Eh on Marco.
@Akari_A_
@Akari_A_ Год назад
We need Star vs The Forces of Evil: Brotherhood
@fungushoney9958
@fungushoney9958 Год назад
That's what I'm saying!! REBOOT SVTFOE
@AlashiaTuol
@AlashiaTuol Год назад
Or, considering how quickly Star was convinced to scapegoat magic itself for problems actually caused by people: Star could be written as the one who wants to destroy magic, having decided that magic itself is ultimately a net negative on her life because blaming magic is easier than dealing with all the problems magic has been involved with. Star then has to eventually face that this stance was her mentally taking the easy way out from dealing with the more complicated reality of her problems: not magic itself, but the people who've chosen to abuse it. Consider a full-show rewrite using the ideas they centered their plots around and mishandled. Maybe the entire overarching plot could center around an (initially) more straightforward end-of-season-two twist that the Magic High Comission are actually a villainous force, trying to keep magic in the hands of only the people they favor (maintaining the class/racism caste system). Marco and Star somehow find out some way that the ability to use magic can actually be spread, because it has been spread to Marco, and after the big twist with the MHC, where they fully realize the power abuses committed by these authority figures Star grew up knowing as family, the two decide to spread magic to people that don't have it, starting with monsters. The MHC are hesitant to outright label Moon's daughter an enemy publicly despite these actions undermining and destabilizing Mewni's hierarchy, escalating to a point of outright battles against the MHC when they try to stop Star and Marco, and so publicly label Marco a force of evil to the kingdom and the one leading Star astray, kind of paralleling how he becomes the face of the rebellion at St. Olga's (and maybe that earlier plot could be slightly reworked into foreshadowing). Maybe he and Star work together until someone they introduced magic to goes wrong, and she sees this incident as proof the whole idea is bad and backs out, coming to believe that magic itself must be destroyed since the Magic High Comission is bad but Marco is also wrong to continue their old idea of sharing magic. Boom! Three-way conflict. Heck, maybe Toffee and Ludo could join Star's and Marco's sides respectively. Maybe Toffee shows up when Star's at her most unsure of what is right, away from Marco and the MHC, and whispers right in her ear about the terrible effect magic has had on everything she loves.
@Simipourfangirl
@Simipourfangirl 4 месяца назад
Has there ever been a show where someone is evil but they don't know it until the climax?
@loquiinsani5567
@loquiinsani5567 2 года назад
Just imagine if the used the bloodmoon to prove star and marco did in fact NOT have romantic feelings, making the finale all anout the power of platonic feelings which is a theme that represents the first seasons quite well imo
@wormyworms2774
@wormyworms2774 11 месяцев назад
Don't you need at least 120 hp before a bloodmoon can take place? I'm pretty sure they didn't get any life crystals. Also, didn't realise svtfoe took place in terraria.
@twotruckslyrics
@twotruckslyrics 8 месяцев назад
@@wormyworms2774PFF ILY
@Jacksparrow-sh8te
@Jacksparrow-sh8te 4 года назад
If the creator made Tom after her Ex’s does that mean her Ex’s were good and she was the neglectful one?
@Tiny_Winy
@Tiny_Winy 4 года назад
Jack sparrow thats what i was thinking tbh
@InazumaSensei
@InazumaSensei 4 года назад
Well, Star is based on her at the end (while Marco on her husband, by the way), so probably.
@InazumaSensei
@InazumaSensei 4 года назад
To be honest, tho, Tom _was_ a "demon ex-boyfriend" at the beginning.
@carlacarrero4975
@carlacarrero4975 4 года назад
@@InazumaSensei i think this whole tom is based on her exboyfriends thing is mostly daron using toms character development as wish fullfillment of her wanting to see them change and maybe thats the real reason why daron even with the whole exboyfriend thing wanted to make tom change and become a better person because maybe deep down daron wishes her exs changed for her and would explain the line that tom says about how star inspires her but thats just my opinion
@PebkioNomare
@PebkioNomare 4 года назад
It get's even worse. Star and Marco's relationship was supposed to mirror her current relationship. I wonder how her husband felt... watching Nefcy's stand-in stay in a good relationship with her ex's stand-in for so long. "Er... honey? Why is Star still with Tom? Why are you having Marco and Kelly be in a casual relationship? Is there something I need to know?"
@coricognitions
@coricognitions 4 года назад
this is why Gravity Falls rules all. It kept the story for the entire show and didn't stop at all for stupid forced shipping episodes.
@Noobmasterdp
@Noobmasterdp 4 года назад
Damn right. People were actually careful with it. It's a shame SVTFOE had so much more potential than it was given.
@Julayla
@Julayla 4 года назад
And it's also why Ducktales never tackles on shippings ever (aside from a one off gag of Dewey's dream love interest he has no interest on, but that's played for laughs).
@estebancruz5578
@estebancruz5578 4 года назад
Well no, the were a lot a problem in gravity fall
@midnightgreengaming3188
@midnightgreengaming3188 4 года назад
Mabel would get a new ship every two episodes though.
@coricognitions
@coricognitions 4 года назад
@@midnightgreengaming3188 but it didn't forget the plot entirely to focus on the ships
@luust4005
@luust4005 2 года назад
This show promised a story about a magical princess from another dimension & once you reach the finale the f girl isn't a princess, nor magical & not even from another dimension cuz they just randomly fuse so she can get into the most forced & uncomfortable relationship ever 😭 I'm so disappointed.
@eatatjoes6751
@eatatjoes6751 2 года назад
That's the worst part to me. The whole premise and appeal of your show (especially upon rewatch) is just gone now because you took the easy way out.
@ChiefMedicPururu
@ChiefMedicPururu 2 года назад
Yeah, true. They killed the freakin' PREMISE!
@Simipourfangirl
@Simipourfangirl 4 месяца назад
Yeah that's why I didn't like star not being royal because it kinda defeats the purpose of why she's there. To learn responsibility and mature so she can take the throne when time comes... But nope..
@Office_chair
@Office_chair 3 месяца назад
I think that's something that angers me a lot about the ending and how the show progressed was that I loved the magic aspect of the show and how star was a princess and her family history and then the throne was given back to eclipsa even though she didn't seem to care that much or take it all that seriously and then star destroys the magic. And like someone else said it kind of defeats the premise of star going to Earth and learning how to be more mature and responsible because she's going to be the future Queen. And also that I feel like it would have been a better direction that star moon and River continue to rule the Kingdom and eclipsa is like a duchess or some higher up title and tries to help with monster and human relationships and it would probably help that star moon and River the royals they are familiar with are still in charge and are trying to push this change.
@Yivan4
@Yivan4 2 года назад
Kudos for adding COMPLETE FULL SUBTITLES. Very few channels does this.
@muddashucka9743
@muddashucka9743 2 года назад
*do
@k9kimbo
@k9kimbo Год назад
He even gave the subtitles so much personality
@axolotlfairy2473
@axolotlfairy2473 11 месяцев назад
Yea- a lotta people make their captions overly jokey so its nice to see captions that're both accurate and have a bit of charm
@boredwithjord7360
@boredwithjord7360 3 года назад
i think star vs the forces of evil is a perfect example of why it's best we didn't get that season 3 of gravity falls
@ramdelure
@ramdelure 3 года назад
Because that was Alex Hirsch's own decision
@nmtltlz
@nmtltlz 3 года назад
yUP
@NothingOfNoteToSeeHere
@NothingOfNoteToSeeHere 3 года назад
@•• At least smaerter than Nefcy Darron (Darren? I can't write her name), Noelle Stevenson (Shera reboot) and the creator of Steven Universe (forget her first name) but together.
@nightnaughty
@nightnaughty 3 года назад
@@NothingOfNoteToSeeHere Are you for real? Those 3 have created the most acclaimed shows of the decade, and fought for telling the stories they wanted to tell consistenly admist censors and the biggest companies obstacles, creating actual change in animation storytelling.
@Aego384
@Aego384 3 года назад
@@nightnaughty Sure, but that doesn't mean their shows aren't flawless. Same goes for Hirsch.
@aapadd
@aapadd 4 года назад
"people who make reaction videos don't put efort into anything" me, an intelectual:
@letmekillmyself5530
@letmekillmyself5530 4 года назад
Exactly I hate when ppl say that
@UnorthodoxIndividual
@UnorthodoxIndividual 4 года назад
Yeah, that's honestly an unfair statement. The FlamingShark for instance is easily one of my favorite creators to watch, ESPECIALLY his Adventure Time videos, it's rare to see someone have such a thorough understanding of a show and it's key elements and progression. I feel like certain reactors are as solace and devoid of substance or care as people make them out to be, but not all of them are like that.
@user-gp5yz5yz4x
@user-gp5yz5yz4x 4 года назад
Dude I could turn this video in as my final's, this is a fullborn essay
@zephyrgust4300
@zephyrgust4300 4 года назад
Except...this isn't a reaction. It's a review. He didn't just sit and watch the show for two hours in this video, he did that beforehand and that pushed him to make this review. The review is what had actual effort put into it. Anyone can sit down and react to a video. Sorry to burst your "intelectual" bubble. Also, like sai said...you spelled that wrong.
@sliceofham3737
@sliceofham3737 4 года назад
Slash have you seen how much he edits his reactions? He puts effort into them and try’s to add to them. I’d say blue order’s reactions are like 1/2 reaction 1/2 ytp
@mhairiharris4872
@mhairiharris4872 Год назад
The fact that I didn’t even realise moon was a twist villain shows how badly it was done.
@spdrhyder8194
@spdrhyder8194 Год назад
This show (next to voltron: LD, ugh) should be a poster child for why its important to have a established beginning, middle, and end instead of writing as you go. I really cant think of a non episodic show that worked despite not being planned out. Other than that, i unfortunately think that its best for the writers to not interact/ be involved with the fandoms they create until the show's actually over (especially when you're writing AS YOU GO). Because, whether they want to or not, they reshape the story to fit what the audience wants (or what they're responding to) and this ends up leaving everyone unsatisfied
@Nipotazzi
@Nipotazzi Год назад
I don't think being completely silent is the best way to go, but a middle ground of connection with the fans without being influenced by them is more ideal
@jturner2577
@jturner2577 Год назад
Or at the very least have some idea of how you want the story to go. Like Gravity Falls made things up as it went along, but it also had a concrete goal (Revealing the Author of the Journals) and a vague goal of an apocalyptic event for the ending of the series.
@supergal8958
@supergal8958 Год назад
Never liked the bitch but Jk Rowling was right to plan the whole Harry Potter series out before writing it.
@fungushoney9958
@fungushoney9958 Год назад
The only show that made a largely unplanned story work into amazing things eventually is Adventure time and thats because they had 10 seasons to weave the web
@alan7723
@alan7723 4 года назад
Let’s be honest. Killing off Toffee so quick was one of the worst decisions in any Disney show. He truly was my favorite Disney villain, rivaling others like Bill Cipher.
@devin3944
@devin3944 4 года назад
At the time toffee was defeated, I didn't mind it at all because I thought the show was hinting that he would come back. Also since it seemed too easy to beat him so swiftly. After finishing the show, I can also say that it was a horrible decision to get rid of him that way
@DeathofInk
@DeathofInk 4 года назад
I was expecting him to be just like Bill. A villain who continues to have a strong influence for the whole show with explored ties to the lore.
@captainclod5269
@captainclod5269 4 года назад
When I took a break from SVTFOE, I got hyped for the finale and expected Toffee to be back. My friend told me the villain is Mina so I didn't even f*cking watch it
@lucasmartinez5703
@lucasmartinez5703 4 года назад
Killing him off was fine. Not bringing him back after getting hints that he would return was where they dropped the ball. That's writing 101 right there. If you're setting up expectations, you have to deliver on them and Nefcy just didn't do that here.
@SunGodNika-bi2jr
@SunGodNika-bi2jr 4 года назад
they could have at least gave Toffee an epic showdown between him and Star
@kuroimadoshi5906
@kuroimadoshi5906 4 года назад
"the writers had managed to piss off every single group except starco" that's not true. I really want starco to happen, but with this kind of pacing and halfass relationship they do makes me feels NOTHING. I'm so upset about it even now
@carlacarrero4975
@carlacarrero4975 4 года назад
Even a shipping war fan comic managed to be better than the actual show its based on
@jellyfish0311
@jellyfish0311 4 года назад
Fellow upset starco here
@ArendAlphaEagle
@ArendAlphaEagle 4 года назад
So actually, the writers had managed to piss off EVERYONE, _except_ the Starco fans that _only_ care about Starco and nothing else. You know, the ones that don't even mind or care about the story so long Starco is canon, because Starco is Jesus or something. I'm an atheist.
@edwincruz3126
@edwincruz3126 4 года назад
I'm a starco shipper too, and boy was I blinded by my modern reaction to the confirmation. They could have done it so better if they want it to be Canon. Make it feel satisfying and impactful after 4 years of the teasing, but instead of doing that they killed of Tomstar out of nowhere and two episodes later make starco Canon. Why didn't they just make a proper build up and timing. I understand that they were lucky for having a fourth season and knew it was the last but that's not an excuse to say " Screw it, let's rush the plot, sacrifice a few ships that had build up, and make it about racism and starco fan service up until the finale where we made a concept that had no build up throughout the show about destroying magic and make a 'sweet and happy' starco ending. This show could've done better even with 4 seasons yet they still fucked it up. Thanks Daron for making a bad writing to an already good show.
@eatatjoes6751
@eatatjoes6751 4 года назад
That's also not true. I shipped Starco at the beginning when they weren't insufferable weenies, but then as the show dragged on into the third season and yanked shit out of its ass with The -Plot Device- Blood Moon and turned Marco into an obsessive penis over Star and Star into a possessively abusive bitch that shrank the cast and kills plot development to accomodate her own *wuv* for him, I was freaking done and shipped Kellco.
@applesauce7843
@applesauce7843 2 года назад
I have NEVER seen a character and their story CARRY as hard as Eclipsa did. She is the ONLY thing that made season 4 bearable. She was AMAZING, but even she couldn't completely bring it back.
@jturner2577
@jturner2577 2 года назад
Nope but man did she do her best.
@kirin1230
@kirin1230 Год назад
And Tim. Eclipsa and Tom hardcore carried.
@francesca-selfproclaimed-bleep
They really pulled a Game of Thrones, LMFAO
@galten7361
@galten7361 Год назад
Eclipsa pretty much hijacked the series. It was her show, her villains, her country, her plot. Star was just there from already being there.
@xempororhxppyx
@xempororhxppyx 10 месяцев назад
@@francesca-selfproclaimed-bleepboth finales came out on the same day. That day was cursed, I guess.
@kurikar
@kurikar Год назад
i will never forget how heartbroken 13 year old me was when this series ended the way it did. i’ll admit, part of that was bc i shipped TomStar, and it upset me that they weren’t endgame. it wasn’t that entirely though. even 13yo me could discern the ending was ass beyond the horrible ship development. it felt so rushed, and it ended with me hating every character except like, tom and kelly. this entire series is what made me swear off love triangles forever. i hate it bc if it was done right i would be able to look back on this show with fondness and nostalgia. instead, i haven’t watched a SINGLE episode of svtfoe EVER AGAIN since that fateful day in may 2019. i wish i never watched it.
@flx_res
@flx_res Год назад
I know how you feel 😢
@holivyanne
@holivyanne 9 месяцев назад
omg totally!! i LOVED svtfoe, it was one of my comfort shows side by side with SU and AT but after the finale I never ever watched anything related to that again, it just ruined everything
@BelBelle468
@BelBelle468 8 месяцев назад
It’s not all bad. For one, you’ve got a couple of ways to discern bad fiction from good before you get invested next time. I stopped Star Vs at s2’s finale cuz of the warning signs that just got worse as the series progressed. But now that you’re aware of the signs, you can save time next time you try something new! Also, you’ve got a big group of ppl who hate the show as much as you do. So you’re not alone!
@jmaster4941
@jmaster4941 4 года назад
I think Hekapoo not caring about dying is an allegory for the series itself: She just wants this shit to end already and leave this awful universe once and for all.
@maxfelson9467
@maxfelson9467 4 года назад
lol might be, i dont think it'll be the first time a creator of a series / etc wants their creation to die
@hi.923
@hi.923 4 года назад
It’s sad to imagine that a show that was rising up to achieving a Gravity Falls, went out like this..
@adamkalb1
@adamkalb1 4 года назад
Do you know what the saddest part is? Star and Marco don't care about anyone except each other. Hekapoo saved them from Mina and they are not the least bit sad about her and the magic being dead? Hekapoo may not care about Star killing her off, but it goes without saying that she would care about Star and Marco not being sad about her sacrifice, and not missing her at all after she came to their rescue. That would really hurt her feelings, especially when they know she would never know they did not miss her, their savior, after she was dead. February 18, 2020, 11:54pm
@adamkalb1
@adamkalb1 4 года назад
I need to fix Cleaved by having Omnitraxus in his final moments throw Quasar back in time to Cleaved and tell Star, Marco and Hekapoo why they should not destroy magic. Then they find a new way to stop Mina without destroying magic. In the midst of this new finale story, Hekapoo will tell Star and Marco why she rescued them from Mina and turned her back on the Magic High Commission. When Comet Butterfly was out exploring the multiverse instead of getting the Butterfly family wand passed down to her from Estrella, her younger brother Asteroid was the prince of Mewni and he had the wand. However, he insisted on keeping his spells a secret and did not want to write in the Magic Book of Spells before Comet. Asteroid reached out to Hekapoo because he knew she was very lonely and does not like to spend years by herself in the Neverzone, and then they fell in love. Asteroid loved Hekapoo so much, he made a secret magic moisturizer that would keep him 20 forever and Comet (until Toffee killed her) 24 forever so they can be ageless like Hekapoo. That reminds me, if I get Disney to make my new finale to save Star vs. the Forces of Evil, I think the lovely immortal Paul Rudd should play Asteroid Butterfly, and Stephanie Sheh from Sailor Moon should be Comet since we already have Amanda C. Miller for Quasar. Hekapoo and Asteroid got married, and they got in a lot of trouble for violating an unspoken rule against the MHC marrying anybody. March 6, 2020, 12:18pm
@theguyfromtsukihime3898
@theguyfromtsukihime3898 4 года назад
@@maxfelson9467 Hiro Mashima ehem ehem
@sabermations4765
@sabermations4765 3 года назад
Still love how most ships of this show is just Marco x anybody in existence
@thee_rarest7201
@thee_rarest7201 3 года назад
Marco x Lebron James
@QuiGonJohn1999
@QuiGonJohn1999 3 года назад
Marco x ocraM
@marioluigi3122
@marioluigi3122 3 года назад
Heck, as a joke you could ship Marco and Lincoln Loud together.
@pianoman5259
@pianoman5259 3 года назад
Marco x Naysaya
@shinysoda6
@shinysoda6 3 года назад
Marco x hoodie
@frgal1336
@frgal1336 Год назад
One thing I don’t get is that he fact that Star is shown to be as powerful as Eclipsa was when Eclipsa was Star’s age, and we know that that means Star is INCREDIBLY powerful as Eclipsa wrote most of her chapter at Star’s age. But then we see that Star consistently struggles against enemies like Ludo. But THEN it makes it seem that Star is actually STRONGER than Eclipsa as she masters wandless magic in a few years, something Eclipsa COULD NOT DO. And THEN they show that meteora is even stronger than Star, since she’s able to dip down as a baby. But meteora couldn’t be used to defeat ANY of the Solarian warriors? It makes no sense and it feels like they just refused to look at any other possibilities besides ‘magic must go’ when they wrote the ending.
@galten7361
@galten7361 Год назад
I mean she is a babuu. The real question is what stopped them from using a combo of magic scissors and ultra mega dark magic blasts to kill the Solarians.
@xempororhxppyx
@xempororhxppyx 10 месяцев назад
@@galten7361no no, don’t waste your time thinking of another ending that makes sense. We needed something more “climactic”, forget logic!
@Office_chair
@Office_chair 3 месяца назад
​@@xempororhxppyxseriously though I'm pretty sure they went with the magic getting destroyed ending just because it would be more shocking.
@xempororhxppyx
@xempororhxppyx 3 месяца назад
@@Office_chair Agreed. they needed something “climatic” and shocking, so they pulled that out of nowhere
@emanym464
@emanym464 Год назад
Star and Marco ARE the Forces of Evil!
@Cryptid_in_the_Cellar
@Cryptid_in_the_Cellar 4 года назад
Honestly after the finale I HATE Moon, she became completely unlikable and the death of Hekapoo was terrible, not to mention how awful Stars decision was.
@chaddfrancis2179
@chaddfrancis2179 4 года назад
The mass genocide of the magical creatures No one seems to notice?
@slaybutton1692
@slaybutton1692 4 года назад
I mean, destroying fucking magic was intense and I kinda liked it, but hekapoo... Just fucking accepted to die like that? It didn't even show her dying in a emotional moment of her saying goodbye,it didn' even show her remenents.
@OneDude7745
@OneDude7745 4 года назад
Yes, Star is a disgusting mass murderer and Moon is garbage!
@tayojones9460
@tayojones9460 4 года назад
And Marco is an arrogant prick. Ludo, Tom, Eclipsa and Janna are the only characters who are likeable
@YujiUedaFan
@YujiUedaFan 4 года назад
Star IS the Forces of Evil. Well, you live long enough and you become the villain.
@Datzoid
@Datzoid 4 года назад
Tom: Always tries to become better Star: tENageRS ArE DuMb
@ella_gacha3630
@ella_gacha3630 4 года назад
Ah yes *tenagers*
@ella_gacha3630
@ella_gacha3630 4 года назад
There *ten*
@scourgescourge4202
@scourgescourge4202 Год назад
Tom was single handily my favorite character in svtfoe and it hurt to see the way star treated him especially in the final episodes
@Kuhboose1
@Kuhboose1 2 года назад
I think a major problem is that they started the show with the idea of character driven story, and they brought up all these really interesting elements, but they didn't have a plan for any of it so it just fell into chaos with them scrambling back and forth between being character driven and world driven. But in doing so they completely lost track of where the plot was and where the character arcs were meant to go. I was all for some shippy, relationship stuff, all for Starco so long as there was a fulfilling and gradual move towards it, but again, it was like they couldn't decide how to do that and so it went from a beautiful and natural relationship, to incredibly forced.
@Kuhboose1
@Kuhboose1 2 года назад
I wanna add that I loved the blood moon...initially. It was so cool and interesting when it was introduced, but for something that had such implied weight, they just ignored it. As well as the art in that room in the first season, I remember waiting for so long for that room in St. Olgas (pretty sure it was there, its been years) to have SOME meaning, and it just never did. I can't decide whether they kept having new ideas as to where to take the show and just couldn't decide, or if they just put as much random shit in as possible to make anything they did later seem planned. I'm mostly just mad at what the show could have been. It started so charming and lovely and then I couldn't even watch the last season cause I was so fed up with things just being ignored.
@awkwardfreakinperson7936
@awkwardfreakinperson7936 2 года назад
@@Kuhboose1 I still enjoyed the last season because of Eclipsa, Tom and the whole Globgor mystery
@eatatjoes6751
@eatatjoes6751 Год назад
@@Kuhboose1 I was so hooked on the St. Olga's plot too and expected them to foreshadow that Saint Olga was either their equivalent of a nun or a princess but then they revealed out of goddamn nowhere that she was a robot and like, "Why?"
@CheeseTheWhistle
@CheeseTheWhistle 11 месяцев назад
In regards to the show staff... *cue the gif of Spongebob's mind in chaos*
@fishboy499
@fishboy499 4 года назад
I’m sorry but “ OH GOD FUNNY GREEN MAN HAS A GUN” is the funniest thing
@maxhasproblems4885
@maxhasproblems4885 3 года назад
Ricky the Rock invader zim: enter the florpus in a nutshell
@BokyProkyYT
@BokyProkyYT 3 года назад
Remind me
@QuiGonJohn1999
@QuiGonJohn1999 3 года назад
7:30 Blue should have edited in a gun instead of ludo holding a wand
@Protendo
@Protendo 4 года назад
Also, as a sidenote, Star going up to Marco and saying, “Okay, can we kiss?” literal days after getting out of a nearly year long serious relationship was one of the most uncomfortable scenes in the show.
@lorettabes4553
@lorettabes4553 4 года назад
That whole scene was awkward! I was cringing the entire time. Who would want to hook up after poking/slapping pigs' butts? That isn't romantic and it was so forced. (cries)
@DeathKitta
@DeathKitta 4 года назад
Tomstar was shown to be a real serious relationship so suddenly starco moments were very off putting(
@overwhelmingtactician3011
@overwhelmingtactician3011 4 года назад
That's because you know nothing about love
@liquoriceprose163
@liquoriceprose163 4 года назад
DeathKitta Honestly they just shouldn't have don't Starco and that point and just have no one in a relationship.
@gdashmaster7995
@gdashmaster7995 4 года назад
Well, it was still kinda cute, but not as good as it could be. The problem is the season 4 itself was made in rush, so they couldn’t manage to split up Tom and Star properly, which kinda ruined the long-awaited(for somebody) scene. But I still love the show (without paying attention to the ending)
@lesbianism0
@lesbianism0 Год назад
What fascinates me is that Eclipsa dated the guy that actually KILLED HER MOTHER. If they had picked that up in the series there could have possibly been a way that we wouldn’t have to sacrifice the Eclipsa arc for the sake of a good ending and Seth could’ve still showed up and be the actual endgame boss. So much wasted potential it hurts.
@Jamsalt
@Jamsalt Год назад
I have a belief that Beach Day should be the final episode of stvfoe. Its the perfect tone mix of every season, including season one, while perfectly concuding everything with an "and there were many adventures to come". Right before it, Eclipsa becomes queen with the a-ok of the people rapping up that whole leaving beach day as a sort of epilogue.
@joaquinm9148
@joaquinm9148 3 года назад
“Fell from grace”? More like “dug their own grave deeper and deeper”
@noti7510
@noti7510 3 года назад
"Fell from grace" makes it seem angelic. I would compare SVTFOE to a bird of prey that saw a rabbit called shipping and then flew down to catch it, but the rabbit was just painted on the ground, so the bird became a bloody mess on the ground.
@redster2152
@redster2152 3 года назад
@@noti7510 that's an interesting example
@juniper5604
@juniper5604 2 года назад
off topic but 1000th like
@emanuelepolloni4002
@emanuelepolloni4002 2 года назад
I think the writers hadn't anything planned after the Battle for Mewni movie because they thought that it was going to be the series finale, considering that it concludes the main plot of the first 2 seasons. Then Disney told them they they were renewed for a third season, and since they hadn't prepared anything for a possible continuation of the series, they just threw everything to a wall and saw what stick, leading to subplots that don't go anywhere, abrupt shifts in characterization and lots of other issues. I think this might be one of the reasons why Disney nowadays prevents their series to last for more than three seasons (except for The Owl House, which they decided to not give a third season and instead a series of specials because as everyone knows, Disney doesn't like LGBT people and their positive representation)
@MsPoiko
@MsPoiko 4 года назад
it is never explained why eclipsa's black magic is a bad thing, why it hurt the owner and how eclipsa learn it. it just is. And why the whisper spell exist?? just for the plot
@samuraibear5102
@samuraibear5102 4 года назад
@Zachary Khan I feel that still needs a origin like the first queen how made the spell
@spyro2002
@spyro2002 4 года назад
I guess you can argue that glossaryk knew everything from the start, so he knew to create the spell, but still it's weird. We never learn stuff like the sagnificance of it being the first spell star learned. Like it couldn't have been like "Hey little star, who want to learn how to destroy the magic?" and little star just goes "Me me me!", it probably was more deep than that. I feel like toffee, while he was kinda wasted, I feel like they did his character justice for the most part, where he didn't care about dying cause he knew he was right and that his way would go through in the end. Idk though I feel like the finale was just majorly rushed. More than anything I don't buy that glossaryk would die along with the magic. I mean he is a God of sorts, didn't he exist before magic to create it. Imo he so just take a magic less form or something. Also yeah a better explanation on why the worlds were cleaved together. Anyways don't want to rumble more than that, you get the point
@LadyBern
@LadyBern 4 года назад
@@spyro2002 l Edit: I somehow pocket commented with my phone. Thanks to whoever liked this odd accident. You're all wonderful, be kind to one another.
@gracekim25
@gracekim25 4 года назад
Castor Games Eclipsa’s spell that Moon used has no name because she didn’t want to be like her mother
@WobblesandBean
@WobblesandBean 4 года назад
The whispering spell exists because Laputa: Castle in the Sky exists. That's all there is to it. They just thought it would be cool.
@ClownieFace
@ClownieFace 2 года назад
You know the show is going downhill when the fandom's catchphrase is "I guess Nefcy just forgot"
@TheKoopaKingBowser
@TheKoopaKingBowser 8 месяцев назад
Unrelated but the early animation for Star VS The Forces of Evil looks so much better, turns out this is because the first season was made by Mercury Filmworks, animators of Hilda, Kid Cosmic, Mickey Mouse shorts, Centaurworld and The Ghost & Molly McGee.
@xempororhxppyx
@xempororhxppyx 8 месяцев назад
HILDA? CENTAURWORKD? TGAMM? no wonder there was smooth animation
@Cosmicfallsr
@Cosmicfallsr 2 месяца назад
Ive been thinking and saying this for years man. Back when I used to interact with the fandom I used to get flack from some people for even suggesting the animation got worse over time. Season 1 has some of my favorite animation of any show Ive ever seen. The expressions and character acting were top notch and the fight choreography was insane. the downgrade in animation is one of my biggest gripes with this show for sure. Sugar Cube's episodes in particular look awful
@yvriii
@yvriii 3 года назад
Honestly, Tom was the best and most realistic character in the show. He was the only character that showed any development throughout the entire 4 seasons.
@chartreusephoenix6581
@chartreusephoenix6581 3 года назад
Too true
@coldgal8476
@coldgal8476 3 года назад
I'd say eclipsa fits into that but to a slightly lesser extent
@jturner2577
@jturner2577 3 года назад
@@coldgal8476 She does but she only psychially appears in 2 Seasons.
@coldgal8476
@coldgal8476 3 года назад
J Turner yeah I know that's why I said lesser
@smart.but.stupid
@smart.but.stupid 3 года назад
He's great. But it could've been done better. They could've redeemed him earlier and make him much more helpful since like, season 2.
@anniebannanielosttheirnanny
@anniebannanielosttheirnanny 4 года назад
“Let’s see how SVTFOE fell from grace” _sees it’s over an hour long_ “Welp better grab my popcorn”
@lorettabes4553
@lorettabes4553 4 года назад
I read Steven Universe for some reason. Maybe bc of the Peridot picture? Ugh, I need sleep.
@theberrby6836
@theberrby6836 4 года назад
I had cake and tea! :D
@JuanGomez-ke5py
@JuanGomez-ke5py 4 года назад
@@lorettabes4553 complicated in their own good
@Quinhala11
@Quinhala11 4 года назад
It's 2 hours long
@anabelletiffanyace
@anabelletiffanyace 4 года назад
OMG, I DIDN'T SEE THAT. I didn't know it was gonna be 2 hours long till I saw your comment.
@OverLorD768
@OverLorD768 2 года назад
Here after Amphibia finale. A funny show about a talking frogs managed to give us more epic journey, greater characters, memorable villains and a gut-wrenching emotional ending than SvtFoE. Think on that.
@jturner2577
@jturner2577 2 года назад
And one of the things fans had a problem with was clarified both on Twitter and in Marcy's Journal.
@SantiHRod
@SantiHRod 2 года назад
OK KO Let's be heroes was cancelled early, and had a good ending, and I'm willing to bet The Owl House will end, at least, on a good enough note, and that one got cancelled early too.
@OverLorD768
@OverLorD768 2 года назад
@@SantiHRod what does that have to do with Star's atrocious ending?
@SantiHRod
@SantiHRod 2 года назад
@@OverLorD768 Showing that the so called "early cancelation" excuse isn't valid, Star vs the Forces of Evil ended awfully, and the creators can't decide wether to say they were cut short, cause some other shows ended early but had good narrative and endings, or to say it ended how it was planned, cause it would make them look incompetent despite being given all the tools necessary for making a good show. If someday it turns out to be that they were cut short, that excuse isn't valid, it wasn't valid back then, wouldn't be valid today, and will never be valid anymore, unless they were cancelled just after the ending of the current airing season, like Final Space or Infinity Train.
@OverLorD768
@OverLorD768 2 года назад
@@SantiHRod again, what does that have to do with anything? Neither Star nor Amphibia were cancelled or ended early. Matt knew Season 3 was his last, Daron knew Season 4 was her last. It's not about "ended early", it's about Daron Nefcy not being able to write anything other than shipping wars.
@waffleauflauf4213
@waffleauflauf4213 Год назад
About the book, Gravity Falls did something similar. There's a physical book you can buy that's basically the Third Journal that was used heavily in the show. The book had pages that were identical to the ones shown in the show, and also added on to the characters, story, lore, and worldbuilding tenfold. And it's just as funny, charming, educational, and touching as the show itself was. However, unlike SVTFOE, you didn't need the book to enjoy the show. I'd already watched Gravity Falls through multiple times before I even realized the book existed. Reading the book made the overall experience better by introducing things and building off of things you didn't get in the show, but you didn't need it. The show gave you everything you needed to both love the characters, and to understand the story it was trying to tell. It was optional, and a great purchase imo if you wanted more. It didn't borderline punish you for being in the dark if you didn't have it, and didn't leave you feeling forced to have it by feeling like you were missing out on important details.
@Skona99
@Skona99 4 года назад
This video has better continuity than the series; You can see the light in the window behind him go from day to night. Mad lad talked about a cartoon the whole day.
@zathary564
@zathary564 4 года назад
Wow i didnt even notice that haha Props to the man absolute madlad
@caricreate2208
@caricreate2208 4 года назад
sonicpivot2476 and the ending of it could have been with that song “ready as Ill ever be” - the svtfoe version. That would have been so epic
@skyguy8786
@skyguy8786 4 года назад
this is the sheer definition of chad
@j0bie
@j0bie 4 года назад
Cari Create omg that would actually be really cool
@MatthematicalReactions
@MatthematicalReactions 3 года назад
Fun fact, over 7 hours of recorded footage for this video
@braybomb772
@braybomb772 4 года назад
Fun fact: someone asked Daron Nefcy about how eclipsa’s dad spoke to Marco and told him to go to the ball and daron replied with.... Magic
@izzyspell2629
@izzyspell2629 4 года назад
That's like a general response to half of the problems and plot holes in any fantasy.
@SamG5457
@SamG5457 4 года назад
@@izzyspell2629 a wizard did it
@werh227
@werh227 4 года назад
@@SamG5457 *Gandalf wiggling intensifies while jazz plays in the background*
@thetomboiyoutuber518
@thetomboiyoutuber518 4 года назад
How could you guys fuck up a season finale so badly? Everyone on the team: *MAGIC-*
@bekrox64
@bekrox64 4 года назад
this is the equivelant of the force in star wars
@solarrrrrrrr
@solarrrrrrrr 2 года назад
Starco should’ve just been platonic. Kellco/Jarco and Tomstar were so great, and should’ve stayed as canon. The writers were THAT thirsty for Starco that they legit fucked up the story.
@ТагирЛюбительчая
Markapoo .... F
@monkeydui7241
@monkeydui7241 Год назад
Probably would’ve pissed off too many people
@user-cx6lq8mt5g
@user-cx6lq8mt5g Год назад
There is also no way Solaria’s ghost would just accept Meteora as her granddaughter in the most abrupt way ever. This is the person who hated monsters so much that she led a full GENOCIDE on them!
@Simipourfangirl
@Simipourfangirl 5 месяцев назад
Wait if magic is gone... Does that mean her ghost is as well? Like her whole existence? Just evaporated. If that's true then apparently there is no afterlife anymore in star vs.
@re-mo3jq
@re-mo3jq 4 года назад
this dude has some god level editing and verbal essay skills. but then there's the 3 pixel camera
@yabazyabacoffee
@yabazyabacoffee 3 года назад
You know, it didnt really bother me that much surprisingly
@alauram.6416
@alauram.6416 3 года назад
Everyone got to start somewhere! It didn't bug me at all really because everything else (editing, story telling, ect) was quality.
@JimmieJon
@JimmieJon 3 года назад
Hey, as long as it works.
@re-mo3jq
@re-mo3jq 3 года назад
Jimmie Oh of course i wasn’t trying to make fun. His content is quality
@edgara3213
@edgara3213 3 года назад
Except for the fucking audio Jesus Christ bless whoever wore headphones watching this fucking video dude like fuck ever head of audio consistency? Fuck god damn
@daz5491
@daz5491 3 года назад
I feel like Tom became the only likable character at the end of the show.
@luvithdrevis
@luvithdrevis 3 года назад
And Eclipsa's family. Tbh I only watched till the end for them.
@miarose7315
@miarose7315 3 года назад
Pretty much
@drawnwithlove3499
@drawnwithlove3499 3 года назад
@@luvithdrevis yeah I loved Eclipsa and Globgor
@cheddarika
@cheddarika 3 года назад
And Janna
@hirahiro2331
@hirahiro2331 3 года назад
Everyone but the main characters lol
@jessicadawnn
@jessicadawnn 2 года назад
1:24:21 "I don't know about you but I certainly haven't seen any teenagers do this sh*t" As a teenager, I can confirm that not only have I not 'done that sh*t, but I have been in zero romantic relationships :')
@ТагирЛюбительчая
Ты не одинок братан в таких случаях
@rurihime4965
@rurihime4965 Год назад
Don't worry you aren't the only one
@iluvmyzenboy
@iluvmyzenboy Год назад
this serie has EVERYTHING. Good characters, good princesses, good history,good world everything, but they wasted it on fanservice and it hurts-
@Office_chair
@Office_chair 3 месяца назад
Seriously though it felt like they actually were trying to make a good compelling story and then it slowly just turned into basically wanting to make fanfiction.
@MegaSoulHero
@MegaSoulHero 3 года назад
This was the list of steps they took when writing this show: 1) Make Starco happen 2) Fill in the rest
@ryanm.8720
@ryanm.8720 3 года назад
3) Kill off Toffee at some point 4) ...Dunno, find another villain to replace him?
@mitchcane2352
@mitchcane2352 2 года назад
I think it was more like: 1) Want Starco to happen from the beginning 2) You're absolutely terrified that people will just drop the show entirely if you make them a couple too early and writing a romance after it's established is haaaaaaard 3) Decide to put as many obstacles as you can to roadblock the relationship until the very last parts of the series
@prowolf633
@prowolf633 2 года назад
5) Kill Mina
@drawnwithlove3499
@drawnwithlove3499 2 года назад
3) Try and write really cool lore but nooooo that's too hard let's just ship Marco with everyone for no reason
@enricopucci1220
@enricopucci1220 2 года назад
@@prowolf633 6) Skip step 5
@Shatugi
@Shatugi 3 года назад
Star vs the forces of evil should have ended with Ludo, Tom, and Marco sitting on a beach watching the sunset. No star. no Jackie. Just 3 bro’s sitting on a beach.
@bett1826
@bett1826 3 года назад
I want that SO BAD
@niveditasrinivasan7070
@niveditasrinivasan7070 3 года назад
...... HA GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
@moonfestal
@moonfestal 3 года назад
YEEES
@JuneLotte
@JuneLotte 3 года назад
Yeah but if they did that then it would seem like star is dead or something like that so they couldn't do that
@moonfestal
@moonfestal 3 года назад
@@JuneLotte would that have been so bad
@TheDinosaur64
@TheDinosaur64 11 месяцев назад
The first two seasons felt like the first half of a well-crafted drawing done by an amazing artist, and the other two seasons felt like a child's drawing.
@knucklecracks2.0
@knucklecracks2.0 11 месяцев назад
The animation in season 1 looked so fluid. Did they change animation studios or something?
@TheDinosaur64
@TheDinosaur64 11 месяцев назад
@@knucklecracks2.0 I dunno
@nicoleflores2054
@nicoleflores2054 7 месяцев назад
​@@knucklecracks2.0probably studio, but not only that but animation style as well, season one was flash animation.
@kirbytheartist3318
@kirbytheartist3318 Год назад
Legend has it that to this day, Nachos is still waiting in the Neverzone........
@ТагирЛюбительчая
,_, ..... .⁠·⁠´⁠¯⁠`⁠(⁠>⁠▂⁠
@Ubermensch9240
@Ubermensch9240 4 года назад
Moral of the story: DON'T call something your favorite if it's incomplete. Edit: My rule still stands.
@kawaiicookiuwu3322
@kawaiicookiuwu3322 4 года назад
Also, don't use shipping in your story. Leave that to the fans and keep doing your own thing.
@kujikawathemeekmage3640
@kujikawathemeekmage3640 4 года назад
Kawaii Cooki UwU - no that’s a shit idea
@Ubermensch9240
@Ubermensch9240 4 года назад
@@kawaiicookiuwu3322 Yeah that worked real well with Naruto, Voltron, and Digimon. >~>
@mayborneflower
@mayborneflower 4 года назад
Artie Rupinen I’d argue it worked well for Naruto solely in and for The Last.
@thenurseinblack1810
@thenurseinblack1810 4 года назад
@@Ubermensch9240 Naruto was obvious who they'd get with though.
@TheLastHylianTitan
@TheLastHylianTitan 4 года назад
"only i know how this all turns out" oh shit. Toffee knew from the beginning. he was trying to destroy Mewni so the show would be over two seasons too early and we wouldn't have to suffer through the series finale. he was the Star, and bad writing was the Forces of Evil all along.
@kitkat6073
@kitkat6073 4 года назад
Crunch nice
@delphoxhoopa7289
@delphoxhoopa7289 4 года назад
Dang, that's deep....😓😰😨
@stankylad8815
@stankylad8815 4 года назад
My boi Toffee tried to warn us, we didn't listen.
@KingkyLeor
@KingkyLeor 4 года назад
well yeah he's a star, the brightest ones always ends first
@katherinesmallbean3594
@katherinesmallbean3594 4 года назад
*Gasp*
@blakegammon1023
@blakegammon1023 2 года назад
Also why does no one talk about how eclipsa would litterally kick mewmans out of there homes to fend for themselves in the wild just to give their houses back to monsters and instead of the mewmans hating her for kicking them out of their homes they litterally hate her for no reason that’s litterally what they say
@flx_res
@flx_res 2 года назад
Exactly! That would be a pretty good reason why some mewmans hate her (bc what Eclipsa did to those families was unfair and so rude) but no they just hate her because she's a monster fangirl uughh
@dalejhunter1
@dalejhunter1 Год назад
Saberspark sent me here. He says "Hi".
@Theaissu
@Theaissu 4 года назад
Marco claiming he was in love with Star since the very beginning is such a load of bull and the writers know it. He only started to show signs of liking Star romantically in season 3.
@tonym.8069
@tonym.8069 4 года назад
Exactly, if they meant love you as a friend and than it was more? Sure. Showing more direct signs of romance in season 2 at least like Star mostly had? Great. But this whole oh yeah the blood moon didn't matter either way is just so eck. Would've been more interesting if it legit bound their souls so where if one dies yeet the other dies with them.
@irregulargamer1352
@irregulargamer1352 4 года назад
Exactly i was so pissed. marco could have had the perfect realization after his break up with Jackie about how much he liked being around star and should have rushed to ask her out. But nooooooo. You just have to tease and ruin the seasons because they wanted cheap drama.
@starcola3035
@starcola3035 4 года назад
Marco is obviously based on the husband of the creator (who star is based on) so I don't mind it.
@ethanwinters1469
@ethanwinters1469 4 года назад
His mentally a thirty year old man
@albertbecerra
@albertbecerra 4 года назад
I believe he always had an attraction, but it grew into something bigger has time went on.
@CrashCubeZeroOne
@CrashCubeZeroOne 4 года назад
I did the maths. Those 7 seconds Marco was getting over Jackie is equialent to a little over 85 days in the Neverzone, which is almost 3 months. So he wasn't lying.
@adamkalb1
@adamkalb1 4 года назад
Aw, rats! Why would Marco think in Neverzone time when he was on Earth? Or did he already get over Jackie when he was in the Neverzone? I don't know! February 9, 2020, 3:41pm
@t.thomas8919
@t.thomas8919 4 года назад
Wouldn't that be nice if the show implied that was the reason it was over so quick. But, I forget, the writing staff doesn't believe in continuity. My bad.
@shesa1946
@shesa1946 4 года назад
T. Thomas oof
@fdpsabortangdeuva7066
@fdpsabortangdeuva7066 4 года назад
How many time you exchanged to do this!?
@waywardjoker6061
@waywardjoker6061 4 года назад
HAHA
@nateds7326
@nateds7326 11 месяцев назад
After binging the Owl House, a show that pretty much perfectly executes nearly everything Star vs screwed up, it has really thrown this shows failures into clarity. It's like drinking a warm cup of coffee after a way too long groggy nap.
@superstardoughball9822
@superstardoughball9822 Год назад
I honestly think season 3 finale is way better It's filled with unanswered stuff like "what did eclipsa do next?" "Did they have a good life?" "Did mewni go back correctly?" It's better than the multiple questions and "so we just commited dimensional magical genocide...to prevent monster genocide...wow.
@clementlauzon3329
@clementlauzon3329 4 года назад
There are less ships in the ocean than ships in this series...
@anarchomando7707
@anarchomando7707 4 года назад
Rwby look it up it has more ships
@anarchomando7707
@anarchomando7707 4 года назад
84 x 84 character shipping chart Most of them crack ships but still
@hannahjwhitson
@hannahjwhitson 4 года назад
Joseph Misinec oh god no, not RWBY
@anarchomando7707
@anarchomando7707 4 года назад
@@hannahjwhitson yes Rwby Free shipping and war is upon you
@hannahjwhitson
@hannahjwhitson 4 года назад
Joseph Misinec that show scares me, Ngl the better the animation got the worse the story/writing got
@vedji1857
@vedji1857 4 года назад
Once toffee died, the show started getting worse. Coincidence? I think NOT.
@frauleinzuckerguss1906
@frauleinzuckerguss1906 4 года назад
One of the things that did get better during the later seasons was Tom's development, and even that was started in season 2
@enterusername6953
@enterusername6953 4 года назад
I hate to admit it. Although Eclipsa is a great character, ever since her inclusion I think the writing quality such as characters began to decline. Excluding Heinous, the writing of so many characters suffered. Especially the MHC and Moon Butterfly.
@TheGalekGames
@TheGalekGames 4 года назад
I think it got bad when battle for mewni ended
@AndrewColomy
@AndrewColomy 4 года назад
I didn't think Toffee was that great to be honest. I thought he was boring and nothing really came of him. He was hardly a character at all.
@TheWoostergirl
@TheWoostergirl 4 года назад
They never give a fuck about Toffee as a character, nothing about him was even explained. When you think about it, the show never had any real antagonist.
@Bgothic
@Bgothic 5 месяцев назад
the ending of svtfoe is so stupid looking back, she literally ended amass genocide WITH A MASS GENOCIDE.
@helen8022
@helen8022 Год назад
I wish they would've done more with Toffee 😭 he got the SU Diamonds treatment giving us a great and threatening villain but kinda just turns lame overnight and is easily defeated by the protagonist.
@JellyFishGell
@JellyFishGell 3 года назад
I'll never get over how Star committed a universal scale genocide by destroying magic. Imagine how many people died or were left stranded in different dimensions. Now that I think about it, wasn't father time made out of magic? Shouldn't he be dead then?? Did Star literally destroy time itself?????
@juliusroman8616
@juliusroman8616 3 года назад
I don't know what to say to that. I have no idea.
@mikuchuuu
@mikuchuuu 3 года назад
Honestly, like just let a lot of magical people die and not even make an epic battle?
@tiruliru1189
@tiruliru1189 3 года назад
I really wish the 4th season gets ret-conned. I hated Star in 4th season. She was literally Hitler in disguise.
@mikuchuuu
@mikuchuuu 3 года назад
@@tiruliru1189 lmfoaoaoa fr
@JLacay
@JLacay 3 года назад
Not only genocide, she destroyed dimensions economies that relys on magic
@iloveplayingpr
@iloveplayingpr 2 года назад
The writers were more concerned with the shipping than the actual story.
@greatestaxolotl4933
@greatestaxolotl4933 2 года назад
bruh i wish they had kept marco and star relationship as just besties i think they were cuter that way
@anumrose3762
@anumrose3762 2 года назад
@@greatestaxolotl4933 I agree
@Manas-co8wl
@Manas-co8wl 2 года назад
Seeing the fanbase, can you blame them
@PhoenixAce
@PhoenixAce 2 года назад
@@Manas-co8wl curse of kid shows
@paradoxtatorstudios9681
@paradoxtatorstudios9681 2 года назад
and that is a horrible thing to fall prey to
@neppyneppycat
@neppyneppycat Год назад
I've been rewatching this video so many times for background noise and I still love how greatly edited and structured this is, there's so much effort put into this and I LOVE it also, I absolutely love how people have been realizing more and more lately that Tomco had WAYYY more chemistry than Starco itself. The Tomco shippers are RISING
@swaginton1180
@swaginton1180 Год назад
My personal headcanon is that Glosserik was just so suicidal and nihilistic by the point of the show from repeating time and exploring every crevice of the multiverse that he wanted to end his own existence, but for some reason couldn't do it himself, maybe because since his being is so tied to the magic that even if he tried he would have failed and have been brought back so long as magic still existed. As such he manipulated everyone and probably used some cognitohazard-esc ability to cloud the cast's judgment to destroy magic. As only the destruction of magic once and for all was the only way he could truly rest in peace. It would explain how literally everyone just seems to be ok about killing themselves, specifically hekapoo and glosserik himself despite the two of them no doubt being the two people in the multiverse who would best recognize the consequences of an action such as this. Heckapoo specifically doesn't seem like the person to have made such a decision to just kill herself so melodramatically so I think glosserick was brainwashing/manipulating her to trick the cast into doing what he wants, something he could do being her creator/father probably Because, like, otherwise it would make no sense for these two extremely powerful entities to just willingly desire to not only kill/cripple themselves but also every other magical being in the multiverse as well as cripple every society in the universes that used magic as an energy source over a force in a single universe that a least a ballistic missile could have destroyed, and at most a nuke. and that's not talking about all the other crazy shit spells in that spell book that currently three different queens had in their possession for years. There is literally a spell that can cut planets in half, I doubt such a spell wouldn't be able to cut the rebellion's force in half quite literally. honestly I also forget the reason why eclipsa didn't just kill them all because she easily could have. so ya #blameglosserick he could have stopped all this shit if he wanted to or given some way to nullify ]magic in a certain field around the racists or just suggest or do something if he wanted to, but he didn't because he wanted to kill himself and brainwashed/manipulated everyone into helping him do it.
@leonseuropeanislandadventu7398
Lol, naw
@Julayla
@Julayla Год назад
That's kind of like my theory, except for one part where my headcanon is (once the part where the finale credits end) Marco's remaining wounds finally catch up to himself and he dies with Star, having a tiny hint of magic somehow, screams for Marco and destroys the entire universe, with Glossaryck revealed he was alive and him getting punished by beings higher than himself that he did not realize and, due to him not willing to change the timeline or correct it, he is forced to repeat the timelines (and repeat Star vs the same way all over again) for all eternity. It's basically the Devilman ending in a way. but that's just my theory.
@vxx3576
@vxx3576 3 года назад
They really pushed Starco, like they feel more like siblings. I really only think they made them a thing because it’s a boy character and a girl character.
@nightfall598
@nightfall598 3 года назад
I was fine with the thought of them getting together before A) I realized what the blood moon thing did. B) before season 3 I was also fine with the being sibling-figures to one another (as it’s hard to find when you have two non-related male and female protagonists). I want shows that can show how deep the bonds between two people like that can go without them having to be romantically involved (in fine if they are, just so long as it’s set up well).
@moonbreeze4276
@moonbreeze4276 3 года назад
I agree, and it felt like there was a lot of pressure on the ship, like the whole series revolving around it in the end. I wish that they’d eased us into it instead of just throwing Star and Marco together a day after TomStar died, and then Earth and Mewni being cleaved together because of their love or whatever. It’s sad how far this show fell from Grace.
@gracekim25
@gracekim25 3 года назад
@@moonbreeze4276 pleasing the fandom made it worse
@moonbreeze4276
@moonbreeze4276 3 года назад
@@gracekim25 Yeah, the fact that Daron was writing in favour of the majority of the fandom was clearly a mistake. I think that she forgot that it was her own show and her own story, not everybody else’s. It became so much less of her own story that she (and the rest of her team) actually started taking sides of ships instead of thinking logically. For example, they all loved Starco and were obviously doing their hardest to make it happen, but because of this they just sort of pushed away everything in the way (Kellco, TomStar...) just to make it happen, which wasn’t fair to others. It wasn’t fair to those characters, either. I hope that this made sense lol. Also, that offscreen breakup really triggered me, even though I wasn’t even for Kellco.
@juliusroman8616
@juliusroman8616 3 года назад
@@theonlyethanhiroshiki There's only Season 3.
@Marrow_jpeg
@Marrow_jpeg 4 года назад
STVTFOE: Hey I’m gonna make a good sho- Starco: No you’re not
@albertbecerra
@albertbecerra 4 года назад
What's wrong with starco?
@jjsaphire5848
@jjsaphire5848 4 года назад
It should have been tomco
@michaeltaylor788
@michaeltaylor788 4 года назад
actually there nothing wrong with it most people shiped starco from the beginning and so did the creators but it was don in a bad way even people who like it say that.people who like other ships tend be more vocal for example most people like lois and superman but then look at superman and wonderwoman shippers they are loud same for people that don't like starco and make long videos about it.
@doodlefana
@doodlefana 4 года назад
Lmao basically.
@matthewsoucy9073
@matthewsoucy9073 4 года назад
Oof to the max
@DreamerDanielsun
@DreamerDanielsun Год назад
Star in Season 2: *Tells Rhombulus how one should think thoroughly about their actions and how they could hurt the innocent before acting upon them* 9:57 Star in Cleaved: “I’m gonna pretend that was never said.”
@7ulm
@7ulm Месяц назад
We need a reboot of this show.
@WobblesandBean
@WobblesandBean Месяц назад
Without Daron Nefcy.
@SonicFanBoy138
@SonicFanBoy138 28 дней назад
Woah, maybe not yet. Maybe give it another decade.
@juliam520
@juliam520 4 года назад
Bold of people to assume that every starco shipper was satisfied with how things went.
@juliam520
@juliam520 4 года назад
Notepad。txt Yep. You hit the nail on the head. I know Daron wanted to make things “realistic” but it didn’t feel realistic at all. Just heaps of drama, teasing and frustration.
@Outplays_
@Outplays_ 3 года назад
Right. I was but that ending was horrible,I was one of the hardcore ones but the ending felt rushed.
@TVGIRL
@TVGIRL Год назад
I mean, he mentions that how poorly they did it made starco fans disappointed to. So no one was happy with the ending.
@angie-adriangarcia4975
@angie-adriangarcia4975 6 дней назад
As someone who shipped them, they did a terrible job executing that. I mean at least some subtle hints in the beginning, develop during the middle, and the end have them hold hands and kiss.
@burnttoastproductions9352
@burnttoastproductions9352 3 года назад
I just hated how unlikable Star and Marco became. Star was an out of touch rich girl in the first two seasons, but that was for comedy. In the later two seasons she’s a brat all the time as a serious part of her character? Marco was a nerd in a fun likable way, but that’s turns into obsession and forced awkwardness that I HATE. They just are so much harder to watch in the later seasons.
@smart.but.stupid
@smart.but.stupid 3 года назад
Not only is he awkward, but he suddenly became both apathetic and self-centred. A kind of kid who brags all the time but doesn't get what he wants and becomes upset and throws a temper tantrum.
@nguyhiemnhan86
@nguyhiemnhan86 2 года назад
Star is literally Hitler with a magic wand
@xempororhxppyx
@xempororhxppyx 2 года назад
@@nguyhiemnhan86 …
@craigpeoples9883
@craigpeoples9883 2 года назад
@@ThisIsAshley41Helping monsters is a great change however doesn't make up for her rash decision at the end
@Hbdjk552
@Hbdjk552 2 года назад
@@nguyhiemnhan86 ...
@kyleolson8977
@kyleolson8977 Год назад
I don't think "Continuity Coordinator" means what you think it means. In a live action TV production, "continuity" usually does not refer to what fans call "continuity". It's not about story, it's about items in the scene. Like making sure a cup of coffee stays on a table between takes. Given that "Wendy J" here was later credited as "Animation Checker", it's likely that "Continuity" was about making sure that the characters and objects in an animation cell were consistent between cells.
@eatatjoes6751
@eatatjoes6751 11 месяцев назад
That makes it worse they fired her, then.
@Castformsupremacy
@Castformsupremacy 9 месяцев назад
The thought of both Tom and Marco could both be Star’s Cousins scares me
@robbiebrewer6153
@robbiebrewer6153 4 года назад
I blame Starco. It's ruined bothering Star's and Marco's character and it's ruined the series
@carlacarrero4975
@carlacarrero4975 4 года назад
Welcome to the I blame starco club 😁 also theres an anti Star vs mixtape on 8tracks called svtfoe salt that perfectly describes what a hot mess this finale was
@ArendAlphaEagle
@ArendAlphaEagle 4 года назад
This is why Jarco should've remained canon
@emeraldsky2823
@emeraldsky2823 4 года назад
Starco was also extremely rushed
@slaybutton1692
@slaybutton1692 4 года назад
I totally agree with you, star was shown to be a pretty neglectful girlfriend that was bad in relationships, so her ending things with Tom but a few episodes later she is suddenly the perfect girlfriend to marco?
@syfer4580
@syfer4580 4 года назад
Totally agreed on that. And it's totally noticeable by the near end of the season, specifically when Star and Tom broke up. After seeing that episode I thought of "what is going on with the staff and what happened to the writing?" It went downhill REAL fast. After that episode the rest felt rushed. But thats from my perspective at least.
@45darkrai
@45darkrai 4 года назад
Admittedly, I dropped the show the moment Toffee died. Figured there wasn’t going to be much highs after him
@killerfoxraspberryplays8903
@killerfoxraspberryplays8903 4 года назад
Star if he was he can’t anymore because star killed magic lol
@nightfall598
@nightfall598 4 года назад
When I get bored I tend to multitask when watching a show, I didn’t do this for the entire first and second season, since I was aware there was a third and fourth because I figured they would tie up loose plot points. After the season 2 finale (which I found very enjoyable, but I was upset at Toffee’s death) I watched season 3 and eventually half of season 4 before stopping. Through these last 2 I’d been multitasking because I just wasn’t enjoying it anymore. Tom was getting better which I enjoyed because he truly had potential as a character, though Star got worse. Up until this point I’d been neutral about her, but through the last two seasons I started to dislike her to the point where she became the reason I stopped liking the show. Plot holes such as ‘evil Marco,’ Toffee’s connection, Marco’s monster arm and cheek marks were some of the reasons but the main ones were Toffee’s death and Star’s attitude. I feel like perhaps if they had gone with the ‘evil Marco’ aspect of it and kept Toffee alive, perhaps they could have kept Eclipsa, had her join Star (since she was perceived as evil) and Marco join Toffee (since he was perceived as good but hinted at being evil) and they could have had a battle between them without Marco using magic but using his monster arm and newly acquired sword skills from those 15/16 years in another dimension, Star could have wised up (by having to help lead a battle between good and evil and against her friend no less) and this series could have gone out with a bang! I know that this may have ruined ‘Starco’ (which I personally like) but it also could have given it a ‘star crossed lovers’ aspect. Sorry for ranting, I just feel like this show had so much wasted potential, and it all went downhill after the season 2 finale.
@killerfoxraspberryplays8903
@killerfoxraspberryplays8903 4 года назад
Night Fall they really should have scripted together the big plot during season 1 and not written season by season because evil Marco word made to story so much better
@nightfall598
@nightfall598 4 года назад
Raspberry Raz Plays I agree, the loose ends just made the story so frustrating and the writing season by season led to its downfall.
@fdpsabortangdeuva7066
@fdpsabortangdeuva7066 4 года назад
I just continued watching because Tom River Eclipsa and *NACHOS*
@salanaya8718
@salanaya8718 2 года назад
I applaud you guys for adding the complete subtitles, like the grammar & words are perfect! Not to mention it's a 2 hour-long video, fantastic job!
@Marlin123
@Marlin123 2 года назад
Wait they did?
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