How Strong is Human Goku? 

Still gokuversel

1:37 He'd still have god ki cuz all beings can have it. Just not the god forms

“Fuck the big three, it’s only big ME.” -Goku.

He'd definitely be the strongest human in the entire series and could have access to things like Kaioken, Ultimate, & Ultra Instinct. 🤔

goku would still have god ki it’s not like being human doesn’t let u have god ki as base form would have god ki access

Given how potential works in the post Z era, being human is no longer a massive Nerf as it was in Z due too power creeps and rectcon training potential shown by the fact that krillin and Master Roshi were relative to base Goku who was massively more powerful than SSJ3 Goku at the end of the Buu saga.

“Ah yes let’s change Goku’s entire biology to make it fair”

If baby goku was human there’s also the possibility that Pilaf comes to rule the world if the gathering of the dragon balls goes similarly enough lol

Goku would lose his SSG form, not God Ki, God Ki is God Ki, it not because he is a saiyan. If you take away his ki, goku is pretty much dead since Ki is his life force. They are fighting a corpse then lol

Let's take one of his abilities Let's take one of his abilities Let's take one of his abilities Let's take his race Like bruh how is that fair? That's like making Usain bolt white

Can he beat saiyan Krillin tho?

I think that in base as a human he would also be able to push kioken to like 100 or something 😂

Depends on how we define "human" Goku. If were talking in the most recent arc he wakes up as a human then he only loses his Super Saiyan forms, so Kaio-Ken, god ki, and Ultra Instinct are all still accessible. He'd be a bit weaker baseline and no Zenkai's or increased endurance but he'd still would be able to destroy Unvierses. Now if were talking from the start that's questionable, as you mentioned Grandpa Gohan would still be alive and Goku would be better trained but anything that reaches past OG Dragon Ball is unknown and if anything Goku has a good chance of dying and staying dead in OG Dragon Ball.

The only thing that would change is his haircut lmao

If he was a human from the very beginning he would've been shot to death by bulma ☠️

10:10 Assuming Xenoverse is incorrect in how it handles Beast and UI, Goku would be a tad more dangerous than he is as a Saiyan, cause without the hair color changes, you wouldn't be able to tell if he's gone full UI or still on Sign...

I don’t see how he loses god ki in the first scenario since other characters such as beerus and maybe the supreme Kai have access to it as well. I only see him losing his super forms and him just having to use god ki in base

How about Goku vs Wang Ling from the Daily Life of the Immortal KIng? That guy is quite a underrated powerhouse of his own merits.

He’s obviously the main character they gonna find someway to keep him relevant, even if he is human and power creep is a thing as well

In the manga krillen straight up cracked cell max's wing. 😂 So humans are ridiculously op in the DBS verse. It wouldnt affect goku much at all. He loses his saiyan abilities, but god ki and ultra instinct are not saiyan abilities. 😅 ultimate gohan is not a saiyan ability. Gohan beast is also not a saiyan ability. 😅 those are 2 transformations goku can also achieve. And officially speaking, beast transformation is not limited to saiyans in xenoverse 2. Humans can have it to. So a human goku will be able to achieve the ultimate transformation and beast mode like his son. Afterall even gohan stated in the manga that he wanted to pursue his human powers.

I feel like you are the only power scaler that actually looks at haki on an objective level and scales it properly.

Could you do how strong is goku? Most people low ball him to universal. I'd love for you to clear this misconception

"Fruitless Luffy" My boy not even Wall level 😭

Goku would also have access to IT, kaioken, solar flare, kiai, the kamehameha, flight, kienzan, barrier creation, sb, healing etc.

W vid almost forgot to comment like half way thruu

So basically if goku only used Ui and kaioken

I'd totally love a goku without Ki/Chi video if you would want to make one! Great video too!

The problem with human Goku and UI is, they show these power boosts do in fact put a strain on the fighter (it usually doesn't come into play in an actual fight but they due mention it a few times) to the point of potential death; when Kaioken was introduced, when Gohan got SSJ Goku talks about it, when Goku uses Kaiken with blue they mention the risks. If Goku were to not have the other forms to basically train his resilience/act as a buffer to this the massive boost that UI gives might just kill him outright. This also brings up a big problem the 'saiyan problem', due to the overwhelming multiplier from their forms, it leaves 1 of 3 scenarios: 1) Base form is incredibly weak so that the other characters aren't made completely irrelevant by the transformations, 2) base form at least on par with other characters making every non-saiyan is made completely irrelevant since either the enemy is so strong that they would be dissolved into nothingness by being breathed on (10 billion times stronger is an unfathomable gap) or 3) inconsistent writing since someone like Jiren being able to use less than 1/100,000,000th of his strength is bonkers never mind Gold Frieza who's new form is hard to control and is out for blood only using 1/10,000,000th of his strength especially when only 1/50th (minimum) would destroy the entire universe. TL;DR Power scaling in DB is dumb, there is a reason power levels and scaling were abandoned for rule of cool. Fans take it more seriously then Toriyama ever did.

What I love most about this video is the concept. If Goku loses Super Saiyan, even as an earthling he should still technically be able to power up even if he doesn’t transform. Even as an earthling, Goku should be able to perform at 50 times multiplier. We translate to Super Self. If you will. The Zenkai Boost is not exclusive to the Saiyans alone. The Earthling Z fighters too, have this capability. That’s why Krillin got Stronger too, after receiving a senzu bean and healed by Dendè. Earthlings and Saiyans have very similar biology. Why am I sayin all this? The Earthling Z fighters should have the ability to transform thru a power up. No physical damage on the outside. No physical change on the outside, however they increase the inner potential 30x multiplier. Because Goku is exceptional whether he’s an earthling or a saying. He still gets to 50 times multiplier. The difference is he doesn’t get any of the negative weaknesses of the super Saiyan multiplier, but he inherently games all of the strength he still have to train on top of that to maintain the form as well as increased the stamina. So essentially earthling Goku doesn’t lose any power. I always thought this was a very interesting concept for the Earthling Z fighters, because they continue to surpass benchmarks of strength feat and power levels that Goku had previously created. This shows their inner potential to not only surpass the main character, but to exceed him by an extremely huge margin. This is a great vid.

Ultra instinct is an ability that manifests as a transformation in the case of Saiyans. Earthling Goku would not transform into Ultra Instinct, rather he'd just use it in his base form, so his only known form. Goku does use the ability in forms beside the Saiyan UI transformations anyway The reasoning for UI being a Saiyan transformation is probably just that each transformation responds to a particular characteristic that just doesn't result in a transformation for most other beings. Usage of god ki results in the god form, yet a character such as Kami didn't transform from (presumably, as per his title) becoming God. Anger, trauma and such result in Super Saiyan, god ki and said anger result in Blue, Rosé results from the former combined with the Supreme Kai status, and again, Ultra Instinct forms appear from the (initial) usage of the ability

I agree with this assessment because it would miss the point of Goku surpassing all the prodigies and godly beings or monsters if it was "because he's a saiyan and saiyans are the best". That's Vegeta's style, not Goku's. However in the current day with new mindsets from Vegeta, Broly, etc. they would surpass Goku THANKS TO Goku changing their mindsets, especially Vegeta. I think Black Frieza is a perfect example of what happens when one of the extremely overpowered mega-ultra-terrifying prodigies actually listens to Goku and trains like he does. It's a wake-up call that despite everything Goku has done, nearly everyone in the story has had a head start over him in the strength department.

Goku is infinite immeasurable layers into Gokuversal 🗣🗣

He dies after hitting his head as a baby.

You should do some power scaling for the filler other world tournament arc, I love some of those characters like olibu froug, arqua, and of course pikkon

I think one thing that should have been talked more about are Zenkai boosts. Lots of Goku's Power came from near death experiences as a Saiyan, so I'd personally think he'd lose those Zenkai boosts if he became human. Edit: Another example of this is Buu. If you turned Buuhan into a Human, I wouldn't expect that resulting human to have the full power of Buu plus an absorbed Gohan. Just like how Buu reincarnated as Uub isn't super strong yet.

I don’t think Naruto would beat Goku equal stats but i think his sage mode and experience fighting people with eyes that grant them precognition has prepared Naruto to fight ultra instinct better than most characters in fiction.

It's funny because Goku was originally just a human with a monkey tail. Essentially, he was like a werewolf. A lot of people don't know this, but Goku being a saiyan is a retcon. He wasn't conceived as such. Saiyans were thought up during the making of Dragon Ball Z's events.

Would Goku be as strong with Zenkai boosts or Saiyan transformations?

I personally don’t think he would lose his God ki if he was wished to be a human, especially if he’s keeping his training experience from ALL of his mentors. He most likely just loses his saiyan forms and that’s all.

Should make it clear that much of the time those comparison aren’t even fair cause the other guys are losing just a set power while they removing gokus whole biology is crazy.

Great video!

considering the second scenario, if he wasnt a saiyan he would die when falling off the cliff, rather then just getting memory loss.

Krillin as a kid pushed a rock that was 10 to 20 tons before they even knew about ki😂

Goku and vegeta had access to god ki without needing super saiyan god or blue, "Saiyan Beyond God" is an explicit progression of goku and vegeta where they utilize god ki in their base form. Goku would still retain all the power he has currently besides his saiyan forms, meaning he'd still have access to UI and MUI & kaioken (Wasn't disagreeing with the video but you made it seem like the only reason why goku had god ki was because he had his saiyan god forms, i was just clarifying that god ki is more central to him than just a form, the form is the game and god ki is the mod)

Honestly when i saw the title of the video i thought you would powerscale End of OG Dragon Ball and beginning of Z Goku since nobody knew he was a saiyan yet.

He just needs to train more harder with all the other z warriors, but he most likely would make vegeta more salty. If by the chance that goku did beat freiza.

Humans in DB at some point are some overpowered for other franchises. In first DB Tenchinhan, Yamcha and Chaotzu are running on highway and the guy in ferrari is speeding as fast as them until they decided to leave him behind at speed that looked supersonic. I know Gojo is superfast, but for DB Humans it is just a beginning.

For scenario 1, god ki isn’t directly tied to Goku being a Saiyan, sure you can argue that’s HOW he learned to use it, but Vegeta did the same through traditional training instead of a ritual. Goku would still have god ki, just not any of the forms that fuse that with his Saiyan abilities like SSB or Super Saiyan Red. Ultra Instinct is still considered a transformation that uses god ki, and Goku would be able to use it. Thats not to say it’s inherently tied to it as Master Roshi didn’t have god ki but came pretty close to using it once, however the way Goku used it, he does tap into god Ki in the process. So we can assume that he wouldn’t lose it just because he’s no longer a Saiyan

Goku would not get zenkai boost after the fights against Tao Pai Pai and King Picolo, but he would have better starting skills since grampa Gohan would trained him more before he would continue his training with master Roshi, and later with Korin and Kami, if he would die he would train with King Kain brfore his revival with Dragon Balls and he could train in room of Spirit and Time as well in gravity room for the limited time, and at the end all Kai could relese his latend potential ... Human Goku would be powerfull as SSJ1 Goku ... Still much more powerfull then other anime charcters in this video.

even if you take it too literally and say if they never had any of those from the start, it still doesnt work because they either all end up dead, or its not even the same show

Goku without super Saiyan forms would HAVE to focus more on his skills and abilities Meaning he would probably unlock UI A LOT SOONER because he would be revisiting old masters and there lessons and almost every master he has ever had gave him a piece of UI... He would focus more on his skills as a fighter and his instincts would be sharper so essentially he would be like tournament of power roshi. Significantly weaker but more skilled. He would also learn more abilities than cannon Goku as he revisits yardrat and learns spirit fusion clones and size change. Which would be insane with kioken.. imagine fighting like 30 clones of Goku all using kioken and one charges a spirit bomb... This version of Goku would excel in throwing spirit bombs better than cannon Goku because clones would be distracting and holding back his enemies with solar flares and kioken flurries he wouldn't be left wide open and could actually use it as a starter move... Goku would be WAY more op in his attack range but just a lot less potential in his base form... I imagine by return of f saga Goku would have a god ki aura but no form which would heal him like God does allowing him higher forms of kioken with less risk and I would also imagine his spirit would be significantly better than cannon Gokus because his Saiyan instincts don't exist and he would be a lot calmer as a person. So I'ma say 1000 clones with solar flares mafubas and spirit bombs with instincts akin to the hit saga Goku where he dodged Bulma on accident. Riiiight at the precipice of UI. And once he actually fights hit himself for the first time I feel like it would push him into UI where he finally gets a SIGNIFICANT strength boost... Now imagine 1000 UI Goku clones... Bros a MENACE

I think Kaoiken would be Human Goku's Super Saiyan. If he continues to train and forge Kaioken, I think he would reach new levels of Kaioken. Like maybe, during his fight with Frieza, he might go Kaioken x50

I voted for this just to see WTF is a human Goku????

Imagine ultimate while using ultra instinct and kaioken 💀

He wouldn't have the UI form but he would have god ki. Saiyans have an innate ability to transform in order to use certain powers more effectively. He would still be able to use the UI technique as Roshi does, and he would still be able to use god ki as beerus does, he just wouldn't have the corresponding transformations that allow him to do it more effectively

He should still have both god ki and ultra instinct since they have nothing to do with being a Saiyan

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I actually think the loss of zenkai boosts would drastically reduce his scaling between arcs. I think Krillin-esqe power would be what we'd be looking at, since they were comparable early in life. You could give Krillin a debuff because of giving up training and embracing family life, but I still think that's the ballpark. Then it would be a matter of his body surviving long enough to give him the time to figure out UI.

Um. In the first scenario where he'd be wished to be a human, Goku would still have god ki, he just can't transform with it, it would just exist in his body in the same way it does with uub, he'd still be able to use it. Also, he'd probably use kaioken to a higher degree if he wished to because there's no stress induced by ssj.

The disregard of the abilities luffy would still have with haki is kinda insane lol I mean luffy in base is still massively faster than the speed of light and is still extremely powerful w/o his gears And with advanced forms of all his haki just makes him even stronger and more versatile Like having future sight And bypass durability entirely Not saying he would win just was kinda tossed away pretty quickly without much thought

Androids still existed before Goku messed with the RR Army in DB. The DBZ androids would still exist

You forgot one thing, saiyans get DRAMATICALLY much stronger after a near-death situation, and considering how many times goku was in a near death situation, he basically got immensely stronger. Also it really depends what you define as human, if he straight up suddenly turns human he can use different techniques n etc, if he was born a human he would be much weaker

Goku is goku miss me with that race realism

god ki isn't a saiyan exclusive property, so in base he should still manage to be as strong as super saiyan god

Are you talking about when they fought Buu? Because they specifically say Debura is equal to Cell. They have to use SS2 to beat him. They are not as powerful as Cell in base, probably equal in SS1 and way beyond in SS2, but no where near in base. As for Super. The whole beginning plot was that they hit a plateau in power. SSG allowed them to go past and pushed them into UI, Ego, and Beast. So they are probably stronger than Cell in SS1, but again not equal in base.

hehe, nice vid!

Ain’t no way everyone else lost an ability and goku had to become a whole different species 😂

My view:Goku would still be able to use ki , so use ki blasts, kamehamea, and can also use kaioken, and is trained to whitstand the pressure It gives to his body. If he Needs It. Ultra istinct would be nerfed at least a bit i think, he also has far more experience. Let's remind , even tho he prob wouldn't, he can Just use senzu beans during the fight

if goku wasnt a saiyan nothing would really change. we all saw he was slightly stronger than krillin before he unlocked his saiyan genes XD

If you take away his ki then he'd be dead since ki is basically a person's life force Whenever ki gets brought up I usually just say "Everyone technically has ki but just doesnt know how to use it" Now if we take away ki control then its not goku anymore, just a character with his face and name but completely different in personality and path

Goku without any Saiyan abilities is pretty much Tien with Whis's training and Kaioken. And you _know_ with enough training, human Goku would absolutely push Kaioken to crazy high multipliers. Kaioken x1,000 would make the loss of his normal SSJ forms irrelevant. Yeah, that number sounds insane, but Kaioken x20 also sounded insane back when just Kaioken x4 had a 50% chance of turning Goku's liver and gallbladder into an origami crane. As for UI and God Ki, it is confirmed in the manga that UI and UI Omen as power-boosting forms are purely a Saiyan thing, and that UI proper is a techique that does not alter the user's appearance. And it is also shown that Goku and Vegeta can still utilize God Ki in base, just to a lesser extent than in SSJG/SSJB/UI. So Goku would focus on mastering the use of God Ki in his base form, which would mitigate most of the power drop between base and SSJG. So in the end, you still get God Ki amped Goku using UI infused Kaioken times big ahh number, making him barely any weaker than he is now.

Goku Tien and Piccolo would be the most insane trio and be on equal terms, they all train nonstop and have an unkillable drive for self improvement

Remember, Krillin is an earthling yet he still joined ToP. I mean he is the strongest earthling

False, "human Goku" would still have "God Ki" he just wouldn't have access to his God Forms anymore due to no longer having saiyan biology. Goku would have something very similar if not the exact same thing as "Saiyan Beyond God" state where they can utilize God Ki without having to undergo a transformation.

Goku without ki is a way closer fight as ki in DB is equivalent to power, and the strongest character in DB who doesnt have any ki is mr satan who would probably only be able to beat gojo without infinity.

Just a heads up kaguya was running and was gonna build a army against momoshiki also in base naruto was causing tears in the universe as this along with wanting the 9 tails power was the reasoning for momoshiki kidnapping naruto

6:21 If Goku wasnt a saiyan Gohan wouldnt even find him in those woods

Goku's bite will be his most powerful attack

Naruto was still an Uzumaki with huge reserves of chakra, a perfect sage and a reincarnation of Ashura. He's still a major powerhouse with Kurama.

All the other lost their powers but gold lost his whole race ……. Damn 😂

One thing you forgot is that ui isn’t a form its a state of being, the angels themselves are strong not because they have ui equipped but they have ui equipped because they are strong, Saiyans are just broken and turn everything into a transformation so its a form for them

You forgot to add the Kaioken multiplier to Vegito, that’s 20 times. (Though, there’s an argument to say Vegito is stronger than Godkuh

Fun fact if luffy didn-t have a devil fruit he would be just as strong or even stronger than sabo, just to clarify he didn't need any of his devil fruit powers at any point during the east blue saga, he was miles stronger than anyone in there, the only part where he needed them was when going up the reverse river to get to the grand line but there are tons of other ways to get around that obstacle

Current Goku as a human blows up Earth with a sneeze Gojo simply loses a defensive option that it doesn't really affect his combat prowess Naruto loses an attack multiplier And Luffy gets fucking crippled

goku absorbed his god form into his base in the first arc of super. he still has his god ki

You should do yuji itadori vs homelander

The transformations in dbz looks more like a flat buff than a multiplication tbh. The author doesn't know the implications of multiply. What I am trying to say, nothing would change to goku, he would just take longer to be on this level, he would also use de dragon balls like piccolo to skip things, he is a lot smarter than people give him credits for. Remember, krillin was base goku level in super, a goku that was strongger than ssj3 goku at the end of z. DB super pretty much nerfed the power of saiyans transformation.

also if goku was BORN a human then this would probably be the case, everybody probably dies when piccolo is freed and if not then either A frieza eventually finds the planet and takes it over or B they live a normal earth life with goku capping out at EARLY Z like late saiyan saga at most maybe and maybe the androids being a thing and if this happens then its hard to say what way it would go but if goku wi ns and survives he just dies of the heart virus later in life and stays dead forever also none of them every meet anyways, actually MAYBE gohan takes him to meet roshi where krillin ends up eventually and bulma probably comes for gohans four star etc

why do people forget that Goku is still a world class Martial Artist?

When you ask "what's Gojo gonna do against a teleporting Kame Ha Me Ha the answer should be teleporting, right? Gojo basically has Instant Transmission also.

Really interesting premise, my only critique people are covering

6 mins ago is tantalising

Replace Gojo with Ichigo Good Video tho

See the thing is, even if he was still just a human, knowing Toriyama and how OG DB was just little Wukong, this Goku could be a stand in for Buddha.

i forgot about ultra instinct XD

Okay but I need the fanfic now. Please, I wanna know how you would see the story going if Goku were a human/how many plot points could still happen but in a different way

His weaker human body would not handle kaioken nearly as well

I may have misheard, but did he say Luffy could be planetary? Either way, Luffy certainly is not planetary level. I believe biggest feat to date is an island being destroyed. and that was a weapon not even a person.

What if Goku was an animal like Oolang and Puar?

We need a Dragon Ball what if series