How Success KILLED An Awesome Street Fighter Character 

Capcom should give us Shin Ryu with him using the Power of Nothingness.

Keeping Evil Ryu as a non-cannon character would have been better

Evil Ryu would print money for capcom just like Akuma is

I want psycho power violent ken in sf6.

You seem to have misinterpreted the point of Ryu's character arc where he doesn't want to use the Satsui no Hado for evil purposes. That's why Kage was vanquished, because it was meant to drive out the evil that still resided within him. He still uses Satsui no Hado for attacks like Denjin Hadouken, but he doesn't use enough of it to the point it overtakes him. Kage may have been unnecessary, but narratively he's fine and nowhere near as bad as people say.

Satsui no Hado means killing intent, it's something Ryu does not want around

Evil Ryu would be played just as much as the Akuma army

Here is the thing, though. Ryu did reject the Satsui no Hadou. That was the entire point of his journey up to SFV. Plus, Kage isn't supposed to be manifesting physically in his story, but rather as an internal struggle that all three characters face. Ryu utterly rejects him, Akuma knows how to keep him under control and Sagat is just starting to feel the effects of the Satsui no Hadou. If I'm not mistaken, even Sagat's own story mode in SFV shows him starting to feel the bloodthirst brought on by the Satsui no Hadou

Feel like Kage should been the ethereal being Ryu was fighting against in the SF5 main story instead of Necalli. You'd have to jump through some hoops to make it plausible as to why there's a second Ryu walking around, but you have to admit that substituting Necalli for Evil Ryu would have made Ryu's story arc that much more meaningful once he learns how to balance the Power Of Nothingness with the Satsui No Hado.

Evil Ryu in SF6 style would be dope. An older ryu that descended way more into darkness, with wild hair and stuff as a counterpart to beard ryu. They could just put him as a non canonical character, but after Kage I doubt it now.

Kage felt like a different character when compared to Evil Ryu. Evil Ryu was filled with rage, where Kage felt like an edgy teen.

I honestly think Evil Ryu shouldn't be in 6. Shin Ryu is a better idea because Ryu is getting older and will most likely get his own student that will have his or her own struggles with the satui no hado.

Violent Ken would make the most sense now in the story since Ken is down on his luck and may be seeking some kind of vengeance against JP for ruining his life. I don't want Capcom to back pedal on how they handled Evil Ryu/Kage. So if we want another evil shoto, Violent Ken is the answer.

Kage was capcom having their cake and eating it too. I wouldnt be surprised if we see Kage again down the line in SF6

You know who the devs should add in SF6, though? Violent Ken.

If we cant have Evil Ryu then can we have Evil Sakura?

What is Velociraptor talking about? Ryu’s story was about overcoming the Satsui not striking a balance. The power of nothingness and hado are complete opposites, requiring two completely different mindsets to be achieved. One can’t use the other. Roosevelt’s quote can still apply, if not moreso to just the power of nothingness since it is actually more powerful than the satsui No hado, it just takes longer to master. Kage was underwhelming on his own, but he served a key narrative device for Ryu’s growth by showing moving beyond the pettiness of short term gratification and a fear of failing. The satsui no hado is a metaphor for our fragile egos and making a bigger deal out of winning and losing and using any means for instant catharsis. , whilst the power of nothingness represents the slow journey, enjoying the process and eventually attaining greater heights than you could’ve shortcutting your way through. Evil Ryu may be gone but I personally find it quite bold and inspired by Capcom for committing to the character arc they crafted for Ryu, by erasing his ties to hado and moving him forward.

Yeah,keep him in the what if category. Kage was a slap in the face.

Kage's moves, mechanics, and playstyle are SO far from the other shotos, I'm still hoping Kage can show up as a Devil-Jin esque character in future games. Lemme stomp!

What if we get Evil Sagat?

"Neutral not making sense? You're probably in the most difficult stage of learning Street Fighter 6, here's how to overcome it. 'Proper neutral doesn't exist" = Faust vs Milla Rage.........-_-

I thought that the reason Ryu, Sagat, and Akuma disregarded Kage, because Kage thrives off of violence, anger, and hatred. It’s kind of like that saying “The devil is only as powerful as you believe him to be” or “Don’t give the devil any attention” which the 3 fighters seem to follow.

Ryu has completely overcame the Satsui No Hado

Daigo? Sako was the OG evil ryu before he got crazy buffed in ultra. Watching sako combo people for days with evil ryu was dope the shit.

To the home, to the room, to the living room! KAGE!

lmaoo that home alone reference jeezzz im old

He battles his demons and one. It's nice to have an arc end. Akuma is the evil Shotoclone that gave in to Violence, Ryu confronted it and didn't let it consume him.

Well if you think about it, this does make sense; as Evil Ryu was ultimately a side of Ryu that he would have to overcome. And on top of that, Kage was born due to Gouken sealing the Satsui No Hado within Ryu and is a physical manifestation of the darker aspects rather than the Hado itself, as Kage’s ultimate aim is to convince Ryu that he’s nothing without him and must give in to not only the Satsui No Hado but also the negative emotions that drive it.

I enjoy these lore exploration videos.

they could simply say Kage is the manifestation of the satsui no hado fighting back against Ryu who simply learned to activate the power of nothingness but didnt truly master it. this is common idea in many shounen style stories, when characters reach a new plateau of power, one believes they have mastered it but its never 100% in its effectiveness. they could easily design the next Kage appearance to be more in line with the expectation of how Evil Ryu looks. maybe have a sort of Jekyl & Hyde sort of internal struggle that leaks into the real world with him going between both forms until he learns what he is doing wrong, and that he cant force the merger of the two forces through meditation. Perhaps they come to an understanding and willfully merges the second time around. We can always have Evil Ryu show up in non-canon instances but storywise Ryu is Ryu, master of nothingness.

I say use evil ryu again but give him some traits from kage, like his raging demon, or his close up ex fireball traits, give him a mid range fireball like oni’s where he can charge like akuma in 6. Give evil ryu access to kage’s ex tatsu, a horizontal air fireball, a more classic teleport to set his apart from akuma, retain the kage crescent kick, give him akuma’s chop as well for the fun drive rush shenanigans. Simply put evolve the concept, maybe even grant him a new design to show how he would look at current ryu’s time. One thin that would be funny and cool is if this hypothetical evil ryu had a more relaxed persona, even more than akuma, as if his path was always going to ensure he would become a similar state to now

Honestly, when I was hitting those sick combos, I didn't care one bit about the story. As long as he's fun, bring Evil Ryu back

why didnt they just make Kage manifest before Ryu's resolution like a prequel? they could have made him manifest and then go into hiding before reappearing. they had to reason to make him be integrated into the story post-ending

Street fighter VII will have a multiverse of kages, with shadow lady and Nash's shadow being canonically added to the roster. Everybody who tapped the Satsui no Hadou will come to the game, so we already have Dan confirmed!!!

If capcom brings him back they Make a a lot of money

Y'all need to stop hating on Kage. For real. Shit is pathetic.

Story fix: Necalli attacks (possesses) Ryu. Ryu wakes up in a dark void, but, instead of a f***ing sheep, he sees a shadow-y clone of himself turn into Kage. The two have a meaningful battle. Ryu wins and wakes up. Ryu integrates the dark hadou. Necalli melts. The end.

Whens Good Ryu

Here is the thing, Kage is a shadow, it's not a physical entity, It's like a demon that you can face if you have contact with the satsui no hado somehow. Even though he's a playable character he is not physical.

After seeing the Evil Ryu playthrough of Alpha 3 Max, keeping him as a non-canon character with a fun what-if storyline would have been the way to go. Adding horns, fangs, and awkward storytelling really cost Capcom a good thing and I can only hope we get a fix one day.

Imagine if Kazuya attained True Devil status and nobody in-universe paid much attention to it That’s pretty much how Kage was handled

That’s fine, just bring in Violent Ken. He will fit right into the lore of SF6

Seems better to say "resigned" rather that killed. Reason why is because Capcom could make a form of Ryu parallel to Evil Ryu based off the Power of Nothingness, if they wanted to and could make sense of it.

Another way I see could have been if Ryu had been 'devoured' by Necalli at the end of SFV and sort of had to fight his way out by overcoming his own internal struggles etc etc, but as a result of his stay inside Necalli he creates another version of Ryu, a clone if you will, that could serve as a Ryu shaped like the Silver Surfer to Necalli's Galactus, a herald of sorts that's Ryu but given over to the hunger. I'm not sure it would be more liked than what we had, but it would be a way to kind of skirt around the excising of Satsui no Hadou from Ryu... or maybe we could have him expel the Satsui no Hadou and replace it with Mu, as Ryu's way to escape Necalli's stomach and Necalli takes that power that was left inside him and molds it into Kage. Just... make it somewhat more impactful than Kage just showing up during a regular meditation-session.

That's simple, just add the character and that's it, all the game developers need to do is say "evil ryu is not canonically part of the story, he's just a treat for the fans" and that's it.

we need violent ken evil ryu and a shadow lady dlc

glad he's gone as he was overused.(do like the difference he has with jin kazama's devil form being mindless desire not controlling your hits while devil jin was a protection/desperation mode form when he was put in deadly situations like being shot by heihachi or what happened with azazel despite making 6's events pointless.) the issue(alongside being a waste of a slot.) with kage is he really should've replaced necalli in the story as it would've been better having ryu meet a few other fighters(like sagat & sakura kasugano/heck even dan hibiki with his revenge towards sagat for his father talking about it & when he tried to be taught by gouken only to be rejected.) while away from the group. then fight internally against his evil intent learning more to life remembering those he fought against how they dealt with desire that he becomes content destroying kage having better control of his desires(as evil ryu is from ryu's desire to win overtaking reasoning.) learning the power of nothingness to use his fist without going insane like how akuma(whose thing with oni is akuma holding to his humanity.)/sagat(who just went through controlling his anger from revenge.) keep their humanity showing they're above it as we don't need him to return or be forced like m. bison as the series has grown past them.

there really isn't a story related reason to keep the character around anymore imo, i feel the same way about devil Jin in Tekken and even if the writing there is better it will feels unnecessary to have that character still be around in Tekken if they're trying to have Jin be a hero again

He’s been on a downward spiral since the alpha games. 4 made him just some evil bloodlusted monster. And 5 turned it up and made him cartoonishly evil with no subtlety. I would like to see a return to the alpha version of the character with sf4’s look being the inspiration. I’m not really asking for it that much, but if he does come back. I would not be mad like most people here in the comments.

Ryu: don’t get me angry, you wouldn’t like me when I’m angry

Street fighter 4 evil ryu was such a dope character

I don't think they'll add Kage into SF6 thats for sure. But I think Kage can be salvaged in a future game where Kage is a more relevant character in a past timeline (and not an alternative universe)

Well maybe in a Street Fighter reboot Evil Ryu becomes a canon character.

They bring back Evil Ryu as a actual clone of Ryu since Kage phased out of existence.

What about evil ken or sagat?

Honestly I would love a Non-Cannonical, what-if, dream story that focused on alternative realities existing and how it would affect the world. Don't make it a cannon event but Rose gazes into these alternative realities and timelines to see what would become if these happened. So we could see them in the game but they will not be in the timeline we are focusing on. Evil Ryu, Violent Ken, heck how about a messiah Alex or a psycho-powered M-Bison possesses Cammy. We are in DLC rn so we can go wild with this concept.

Evil Ryu may be cooler, but, can you play him in the home, the room, or the living room?

4th season DLC character isn't in the next game on release: "Character is DEAD!?"

The only way I'd want evil Ryu or Violent Ken or any of these variation characters is if they play COMPLETELY different. We already have 4 shoto characters in sf6. How many more tweaks on that playstyle do we need? Gimme a Makoto, a Viper a Menat, someone who does something that isn't represented already

Kage should of just been ryus VT2

"Those light-up Disney horns" 😂😂😂

Ok where's e Violent Ken,where's Shadow lady ??????????? Akuma Vs Violent Ken story mode,that's gold.

I believe you are mistaken Ryu was training to become better and he hast to see what his Darkside is so him seeing Kage is actually on brand for the character because at the time he wasn’t a master yet

I have always wondered why Ken was never tempted by the Satsui No Hado

For something different, they should make Psycho Ryu. As in a version where Bison actually gets his body or when he gets filled with Psycho Power.

I really liked another youtuber's suggestion back in SFV. Evil Ryu could've been his V-Trigger 2, temporarily tapping into the Satsui, but still not letting it take over. Since you can choose the trigger at the beggining of the battle, you'd have a choice between Kyoi or Satsui, the same dillema Ryu faces in battle. It's a flavorful AND interesting solution to make Evil Ryu "canon".

About the future of the character, it's a matter of how the devs are going to handle "game story and lore" vs "gameplay/roster appeal" (and better profits since it's all going to be dlc from now on). Sometimes fg devs decide to focus on story's logic and sometimes they decide to focus on appealing the fans, when building the roster. We will have to wait and see what the SF6 staff will decide. Like in KOF, the debate seems to be fairly divided about the respect to lore and gameplay, about roster building. Because of extreme examples like the deaths of Shermie, Yashiro and Chris exactly in their debut in KOF 97, where they were popular in personality, story and gameplay... yet SNK actually stuck to the story logic and left them dead and out of all canon games (until the trio was revived for KOF 15). In the case of KOF, there was a couple of non canon games made in the past like KOF 98 and 02, where the trio appeared... otherwise they would have had that sole appearance in KOF 97, in old games. So there is some criticism in the community about how seriously a company has to take story when it can affect and restrict important roster decisions. And it's not hard to see that point, even though i personally like story and actual consequential developments. To me it's a real dilemma for the companies.

Violent kens time to shine

I believe there is hope for Evil Ryu...hope that he'll bring fear and despair to all his opponents.

I couldn't be happier we need some form of progress, we can't keep recycling M.Bison AND the Evil Ryu deal. Since Bison is unfortunately still decaying on the shelf, we can move on in some form with Ryu. Kage in theory fixed both sides of this since he isn't stapled to physically being Ryu, those people can have their violent Ken or anything they choose. Honestly should only be Akuma now. Thats his thing

They should have made Ryu embrace and use some of E.Ryu’s powers, like Jin in T8 using Devil Jin moves (and I personally think they should have kept Devil Jin OUT OF THE GAME)

I still love him to this day

We just need Evil Sagat in sf6

Naaaah them treating kage like that was fitting, ryu is great because hes Ryu completely, of course they'd not take an incomplete version seriously

I could be wrong but I'm thinking we may see violent ken in sf6....especially with Ken and JP story. I think it would be dope

Kage sucks. Sagat acknowledging the Satsui no Hado as late as in SFV through him, which is when Ryu no longer struggles with the said power, was the dumbest idea ever. What did Sagat learn by learning about what Ryu was struggling with AFTER he came to terms with that power? Worst storywriting ever.

You are 100% right with this one. Since Kage killed the character, and Ryu has leveled up, I'd love to see a new version that's buffed with the Power Of Nothingness, mixing Gouken Double fireballs and a soul cleanser anti- raging demon CA type move. Maybe that move could be something like a better version of what he destroyed Necalli with in SFV, or the protecting fireball beam he threw at Chun Li and Li Fen when they where escaping the Shadowloo base.

Evil Ryu won't Kage will

Just give us violent Mel , or the kid ryu took care of in the alpha movie who turned

EvilRyu is a what if character fighter while Kage is Canon. Having 2-Ryu in one game is likely make the other Ryu go obsolete for the better Ryu like in SF4 case. For Narrative analogy Ryu is too old for that kind of *struggle*, Many are glad that Ryu had already become what he should had been. For Canonical references Long before SF4. The SF3 Canonical story tells us he already became stronger and powerful than Evil Ryu. The Evil Shoto throne should be solely for Akuma it's time to move move on.. for the better future. Necalli Absorbing Kage and becoming one character merge and fused from 2 Ryu rivals that challenge Ryu every now and then

Look if they had evil ryu as install taunt super would be cool and make story sense for sf6

Evil Ryu has never really needed to exist. Hes fine as like a story boss, but realistically he’s redundant with Akuma and another Shoto in an archetype that regularly struggles to keep all its flavors relevant.

1 suckish character tower doesn't mean character assassination. I would love for him and Necalli to come back

They should add Loving Akuma

For me it’s like people play the stories not just comp 😂😂

This is my favourite SF character, and I hope they bring him back. Capcom please

Ryu is cleansed of the Satsui no Hado in Sf3 Timeframe so Evil Ryu Not existing makes sense

i think they could have done better with kage's story, one of the SFV mods ive seen was ryu vtrigger transforming him to kage and i think that would be cool for ryu to master and harness the satsui no hado and use it if he wanted and become kage for minute.

Whaaaat? Since when event hubs got a youtube channel?

I've never really thought about it before, but now I kinda wish Ryu's moveset in SF6 pulled a couple elements from Evil Ryu's to showcase that he'd mastered himself. Like, just giving him a similar teleport move with like a glowy effect instead of a shadowy one would have been epic. As for Kage, I didn't like his magic horns, but they were no worse than SF4 Evil Ryu's gaping chest wound nonsense. And I'm not so sure that his story is canonical. Unless I remember incorrectly, Kage wasn't in the actual story mode, he just had a mini-story; essentially a standard arcade mode bit of fluff. I know the rest of the characters' mini-stories were supposed to be canon moments before and/or after the main plot, but nothing about Kage's had any bearing on anything. So, I would imagine it'll be discarded if they ever want to bring the character back in some way.

Honestly there would have been few complaints about Kage if he was top tier...🤷🏼

I hope Lily is the next character with the evil version They can always have evil Ryu show up as a flashback or something but I feel like it would be cooler if it switched to her

Some characters just don't work well as canonical characters. Evil Ryu is meant to be an OP version of Ryu who cannot keep his dark side in check and so story-wise and balance wise it makes no sense to have him as a canonical character. Similarly, Violent Ken was made up by SNK as an uncontrollable Ken with no lore to back the character up (still awesome tho) and Oni is an enhanced version of a character who was always meant to be OP and has spent the last 30 years being nerfed for balance reasons. 'Oni is Akuma if he didn't hold back'... Akuma's whole shtick is that he doesn't hold back.

Hi. You didn't really mention why exactly kage is canon and evil ryu is not. I am confused

if the trade off for evil ryu being canon is hes weaker and less of a threat, he should just stay non-canon. whats the point if hes not going to stronger than ryu and make ppl speculate if hes stronger than some of the other powerhouses. takes all the fun out of his character. even if in the canon story ryu has control and evil ryu isnt a possibility anymore, i think evil ryu could work really well in a what if storyline, just fledge it out more, i wanna see ryu's journey going down this path, how he interacts with everyone and how it goes.

As a Ryu fan since 2 and the Alpha era... I'll be glad if Evil Ryu never returns unless Capcom finally decides to reboot the franchise as they continue to age the characters. It was cool in 4. 5... eh. I was over it before it even started.

People complain about how SF never goes forward with their story. Now they did it and people complains whatsoever.

I think alternate versions of characters that are already in the game are a waste of roster slots. Fuck you, Evil Ryu. Fuck you, 10 versions of Goku.

sf 6 prolly gonna do magic and make it work. yes im hopeful

I feel like with the inclusion of Sirn Akuma they have made a way to include more non-canonical characters. They are all just simulations of the real thing. However, I am still hoping for a canonical Evil Luke